2016 RTE Drama: Rebellion - no spoilers please (mod warning in post #1)

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Just dawned on me - it's Rose from Downton Abbey! (I think....)

Haven't a notion what her real name is though.

Lady Rose is over on the BBC playing a Russian in War and Peace.

josephryan1989

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Its ok-ish, early days yet, although it comes across like one of those Maeve Binchy type novels, romance against the backround of certain events, the usual.......

That actually happened in real life though when rich girls joined the Citizen Army and mixed with men from other classes. I suggest you read Vivid Faces by Roy Foster which focused on the political and sexual awakening of revolutionaries at the time.

Sam Kade

There's a hint of modern false accents coming through in some of the female actors. A bit slow moving also.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Thought that was quite good.

Script was decent, acting was mostly good. Don't like yer man Liza is engaged to. I've seen him in other things too and never been overly impressed with him. Couldn't understand a lot of what her brother was saying either. Other than that I was impressed. The three female leads are great.

CGI in a few exterior shots were very good and I assume they shot in real buildings? If not the sets are excellent.

I love how they're showing a few different points of view too. Irish men who went to the war for Britain, Irish people who didn't support the rebels, Anglo Irish who did etc.etc. Bit more of a balanced look at Irish history than we normally get.

josephryan1989

josephryan1989 wrote: »

That actually happened in real life though when rich girls joined the Citizen Army and mixed with men from other classes. I suggest you read Vivid Faces by Roy Foster which focused on the political and sexual awakening of revolutionaries at the time.

I get the impression that Charlie Murphy's character is a strong minded, independent woman who is feeling suffocated with her parents having her life mapped out for her.

Dare i say it but there was almost shades of the Nicole Kidman character from Far and Away about her. Rich parents with an approved suitor in wait but has a dark rebellious side screaming to get out of her.

josephryan1989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good old Cat Killer Wayne still has that look in his eyes!

He's a Fianna Eireann boy. They were a scout group that Patrick Pearse used to mold boys into revolutionaries at his St. Enda's school. He brainwashed them with stories of Fionn and Cuchulainn and Robert Emmet and Fenians and just as you see in the show he had them making bombs and training with guns.
He basically created a batch of young teenage fanatics but it was all very homoerotic.
I think the girl who fancies Pearse doesn't twig he's into young boys!

josephryan1989

josephryan1989 wrote: »

He's a Fianna Eireann boy. They were a scout group that Patrick Pearse used to mold boys into revolutionaries at his St. Enda's school. He brainwashed them with stories of Fionn and Cuchulainn and Robert Emmet and Fenians and just as you see in the show he had them making bombs and training with guns.
He basically created a batch of young teenage fanatics but it was all very homoerotic.
I think the girl who fancies Pearse doesn't twig he's into young boys!

Thats right, McSavage even satired a very very strange poem that Pearse wrote on the Savage eye one night. He was a strange one. Collins once stated that he had a huge amount of respect for Connolly who was a realist but not so much Pearse who he seemed to hint was a fantasist.

custard gannet

WheatenBriar wrote: »

That was actually quite good
Saleable too

Very good start, although in truth i did think it would be a bit hard to follow if you didn't know he story. still, i'm sure a few more captions would sort it out for the foreign market.


Can someone tell me what was the link between the church bells being rang and they realising war had been declared.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

josephryan1989 wrote: »

He's a Fianna Eireann boy. They were a scout group that Patrick Pearse used to mold boys into revolutionaries at his St. Enda's school. He brainwashed them with stories of Fionn and Cuchulainn and Robert Emmet and Fenians and just as you see in the show he had them making bombs and training with guns.
He basically created a batch of young teenage fanatics but it was all very homoerotic.
I think the girl who fancies Pearse doesn't twig he's into young boys!

That scene with the boys was a bit like an ISIS training video. Glory in death and all that jazz. Scary.

josephryan1989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I get the impression that Charlie Murphy's character is a strong minded, independent woman who is feeling suffocated with her parents having her life mapped out for her.

Dare i say it but there was almost shades of the Nicole Kidman character from Far and Away about her. Rich parents with an approved suitor in wait but has a dark rebellious side screaming to get out of her.

The suffragettes in Ireland were the germ for the Daughters of Ireland group that later became Cumman na mBan. A lot of these independent strong women soon found after the Civil War ended in 1923 that their wings had been clipped. The Free State was very much a male club and they put women back in their place once the fighting was over.

josephryan1989

josephryan1989 wrote: »

The suffragettes in Ireland were the germ for the Daughters of Ireland group that later became Cumman na mBan. A lot of these independent strong women soon found after the Civil War ended in 1923 that their wings had been clipped. The Free State was very much a male club and they put women back in their place once the fighting was over.

Ah not to worry, some day in the future a woman called Mary Harney would make up for all of the suffering endured and sacrifices that these poor women made by pampering herself rotten courtesy of the tax payer

josephryan1989

custard gannet wrote: »

Very good start, although in truth i did think it would be a bit hard to follow if you didn't know he story. still, i'm sure a few more captions would sort it out for the foreign market.


Can someone tell me what was the link between the church bells being rang and they realising war had been declared.

Britain gave an ultimatum to Germany to get out of Belgium and the deadline passed signalled by the bells.

josephryan1989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah not to worry, some day in the future a woman called Mary Harney would make up for all of the suffering endured and sacrifices that these poor women made by pampering herself rotten courtesy of the tax payer

We needed comely maidens and the contests of athletic youths.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

That scene with the boys was a bit like an ISIS training video. Glory in death and all that jazz. Scary.

No better man to have in that scene than Wayne/Cormac/Cat Killer. Brilliant actor. He is really able to convey an impression of an unfeeling sociopath.

JP Liz V1

I am shipping Lizzy and Jimmy already

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Anyone know who is playing Jimmy's brother? He reminds me a bit of Aiden Gillen but with the ability to act.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Anyone know who is playing Jimmy's brother? He reminds me a bit of Aiden Gillen but with the ability to act.

Harsh, Gillen was excellent in the Wire. You dont get parts in all of these international series and movies without some talent

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Deleted User wrote: »

Harsh, Gillen was excellent in the Wire. You dont get parts in all of these international series and movies without some talent

He's the same in everything I've ever seen him in. Even when he's presenting Other Voices.

And loads of people have great success in the acting world without any real talent.

josephryan1989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thats right, McSavage even satired a very very strange poem that Pearse wrote on the Savage eye one night. He was a strange one. Collins once stated that he had a huge amount of respect for Connolly who was a realist but not so much Pearse who he seemed to hint was a fantasist.

Pearse was broke and his school was bankrupt when he abandoned Home Rule for death wish blood sacrifice. He was definitely psychologically unbalanced.
Connolly was a raving Marxist and just as off his nut.
Joseph Plunkett was dying of TB.
Thomas Clarke was driven mad after years in solitary when he was banged up for being a Fenian.
Roger Casement was a gay man and an anti-imperialist who had turned against King and Country. He went native by supporting Irish Republicanism.

They were heroes but to be Revolutionary you have to be touched.

Marje

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Anyone know who is playing Jimmy's brother? He reminds me a bit of Aiden Gillen but with the ability to act.

Played by Barry Ward

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Pearse was broke and his school was bankrupt when he abandoned Home Rule for death wish blood sacrifice. He was definitely psychologically unbalanced.
Connolly was a raving Marxist and just as off his nut.
Joseph Plunkett was dying of TB.
Thomas Clarke was driven mad after years in solitary when he was banged up for being a Fenian.
Roger Casement was a gay man and an anti-imperialist who had turned against King and Country. He went native by supporting Irish Republicanism.

They were heroes but to be Revolutionary you have to be touched.

I'd watch your version of the Rising, no bother

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I'd watch your version of the Rising, no bother

Hear hear. Super knowledge from young Joe.

Anyone notice Detective Wycliffe in the same scene as the Garda from Love/hate near the beginning of the show?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0791790/?ref_=tt_cl_t13

josephryan1989

splashthecash wrote: »

The countess was markovic right?

She was originally a Gore Booth from Sligo and married a Polish aristocrat hence get title. She was a raving loon and probably a repressed lesbian. The Dr. Lynn who meets Eliza at the Royal College of Surgeons and shows her into a bomb factory is Kathleen Lynn. She was a suffragette a lesbian and also founded Fianna Fail in the 1920s.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

josephryan1989 wrote: »

She was originally a Gore Booth from Sligo and married a Polish aristocrat hence get title. She was a raving loon and probably a repressed lesbian. The Dr. Lynn who meets Eliza at the Royal College of Surgeons and shows her into a bomb factory is Kathleen Lynn. She was a suffragette a lesbian and also founded Fianna Fail in the 1920s.

Don't be silly. Lesbians didn't exist until the 1980s.

Stojkovic

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Love/Hate cast all over it, I'm expecting to see Nidge running a Georgian knocking shop in episode 2.

Enjoying it so far, it's made me appreciate the old Dublin buildings that you can see in the show, no major CGI work needed to bring back the old early century look, great city for filming such an era.

Id imagine most of it is shot in the barracks in Islandbridge or the Players cigarette factory on the SCR.

PS where they made Ripper Street.

JP Liz V1

Marje wrote: »

Played by Barry Ward

He does look like Aidan Gillen

Arghus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Harsh, Gillen was excellent in the Wire. You dont get parts in all of these international series and movies without some talent

Gillen is a strange one, he's a charismatic guy, but I've never, ever been convinced by him acting. Despite all the great roles I can't buy him in anything!

Corholio

Would be nice to see something on Irish TV that doesn't have Love/Hate stars saturating it. It happens with presenters and actors on there, any bit of acclaim and they recycle multiple times. Surely there's more actors than those that were in Love/Hate?

On the series, it feels the events take a backseat to love stories etc and it's an unfortunate plot device used so many times in shows that portray events.There is license then to invent characters rather than be ballsy and try and just tell the story. Might check out the second episode but nothing to write home about so far.

Bellerstring

josephryan1989 wrote: »

She was originally a Gore Booth from Sligo and married a Polish aristocrat hence get title. She was a raving loon and probably a repressed lesbian. The Dr. Lynn who meets Eliza at the Royal College of Surgeons and shows her into a bomb factory is Kathleen Lynn. She was a suffragette a lesbian and also founded Fianna Fail in the 1920s.

Are you an historical psychiatrist?
Constance Markevievicz was a raving loon.
Pearse was definitely psychologically unbalanced.
Connolly was off his nut.
Thomas Clarke was mad.
They were all "touched".
Maybe you should write a book giving your diagnosis of the 1916 leaders medical problems.