Mass shooting at Planned Parenthood centre, Colorado

Yakkyda

I'll also be voting to repeal the amendment in the constitution that gives government the right to say whether a pregnancy should be carried to full term despite a the fact that the child will have no quality of life or survive at all . It's ridiculous and outdated.

S.O

If guns weren,t so easily available in the United states incidents such as whats happened could be better avoided, there are videos I have watched on youtube of the hardcore anti abortion protesters confronting women going into family planning clinics in the Uk, that said we don,t see or hear about similar anti abortion violence/ shootings of people in the UK or other parts of Europe as guns aren,t so easily available compared with the USA.

MadsL

S.O wrote: »

If guns weren,t so easily available in the United states incidents such as whats happened could be better avoided, there are videos I have watched on youtube of the hardcore anti abortion protesters confronting women going into family planning clinics in the Uk, that said we don,t see or hear about similar anti abortion violence/ shootings of people in the UK or other parts of Europe as guns aren,t so easily available compared with the USA.

Many of the previous attacks have been arson.

strelok

MadsL wrote: »

Many of the previous attacks have been arson.

if fire wasn't so easily available in the united states incidents such as what happened could have been avoided.

haveringchick

FortySeven wrote: »

Wow, just, wow.

Never seen such a cheap shot levied with such speed.

Slow hand clap for you, r e a l s l o w.

Well you can't have lived much then
You need to try and get out of the house a little bit mpre

Into The Blue

El Weirdo wrote: »

Religion of pea... wait...

Yes, religion of Peace. Followed by some nut case.

FortySeven

haveringchick wrote: »

Well you can't have lived much then
You need to try and get out of the house a little bit mpre

Go read some of my post history dear, I've been round the block and back again. Tis funny, I got up early just to see if you had the nerve to answer, still clapping my hands for you!

A thread where people are being killed and you came straight in all guns blazing! A real charmer you are. Opinion so strong inside, Oh lord! Opinion inside so strong!

The only issue I have with abortion is that we can't do it later, like now, when you open your mouth and this type of ****e comes out.

suicide_circus

El Weirdo wrote: »

Religion of pea... wait...

I suppose the difference is that nowhere in the bible/gospels is abortion condemned as a capital offense or even mentioned where as the Quran/hadith contain no shortage of justifications for murder and conquest.

Both traditions are utter nonsense of course.

haveringchick

FortySeven wrote: »

Go read some of my post history dear, I've been round the block and back again. Tis funny, I got up early just to see if you had the nerve to answer, still clapping my hands for you!

A thread where people are being killed and you came straight in all guns blazing! A real charmer you are. Opinion so strong inside, Oh lord! Opinion inside so strong!

The only issue I have with abortion is that we can't do it later, like now, when you open your mouth and this type of ****e comes out.

Imagine being so lonely and such a total loser that you jump out of bed on a Saturday morning to see if a stranger in cyberspace has replied to your post.
Wow. Just wow.

FortySeven

haveringchick wrote: »

Imagine being so lonely and such a total loser that you jump out of bed on a Saturday morning to see if a stranger in cyberspace has replied to your post.
Wow. Just wow.

Ha, you got me. Damn, good shot. Time to go kill myself now is it,

Hmm, a cheap shot from someone who wandered into an active shooter situation with a pro life leaflet in hand.

Oh, I was being sarcastic about the early rising, don't flatter yourself.

edit. deleted line. sorry OTT even for me. My apologies.

Samaris

Three people dead, including one of the police officers. Rather remarkably, the shooter was taken alive. Everyone's officially doing "too early to say" as for motive, but unless he had a personal vendetta against someone, I don't think there's any real doubt as to it being a pro-life activist with a screw loose.

Or maybe he just had a screw loose.

Sometimes that's all you need.

ancapailldorcha

haveringchick wrote: »

Well you can't have lived much then
You need to try and get out of the house a little bit mpre

haveringchick wrote: »

Imagine being so lonely and such a total loser that you jump out of bed on a Saturday morning to see if a stranger in cyberspace has replied to your post.
Wow. Just wow.

Knock it off both of you.

arayess

FortySeven wrote: »

Go read some of my post history dear, I've been round the block and back again. Tis funny, I got up early just to see if you had the nerve to answer, still clapping my hands for you!

A thread where people are being killed and you came straight in all guns blazing! A real charmer you are. Opinion so strong inside, Oh lord! Opinion inside so strong!

The only issue I have with abortion is that we can't do it later, like now, when you open your mouth and this type of ****e comes out.

fcuk sake. :eek:
you have issues.

FortySeven

arayess wrote: »

fcuk sake. :eek:
you have issues.

It was a joke.

We all have issues.

I am deleting this thread from my subscriptions, I am WAY too emotive around pro-lifers.

arayess

FortySeven wrote: »

It was a joke.

We all have issues.

I am deleting this thread from my subscriptions, I am WAY too emotive around pro-lifers.

grand, if you say so.


you should try not to get so emotive around people with differing opinions.
It leads to a more pleasant time for all.

mailforkev

Samaris wrote: »

Rather remarkably, the shooter was taken alive.

I'm guessing he was white?

The right wing nuts over there are totally wound up since Obama got elected and have been getting progressively more so ever since. Witness Trump's popularity despite constant gaffes as just one example.

bnt

Without assuming anything, it should be noted that Colorado Springs has a high number of Evangelical churches, so many that's it's been called the Evangelical Vatican in the past. I was there in 2007; hopped off the Greyhound and jumped in a cab, and asked the driver about the city's reputation. He nearly drove off the road, that's how annoyed he got about how religious the place was.

Harry Palmr

Thread title should be "Pro-life Gunman Kills Three" and leave it at that. Nothing more needs to be said.

Junkyard Tom

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Why? Christians are not generally known these days for their zeal for murder of innocent people,

The ghosts of tens of millions of people across the globe might disagree.

arayess

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The ghosts of tens of millions of people across the globe might disagree.

you are living the past buddy you'd fit in well with ISIS

josephryan1989

One of the seminal events that led to the American Civil War was the raid at Harper's Ferry in 1859.
John Brown who led the raid was a fanatical abolitionist.
For the pro-life movement the ideological battle over abortion is compared to the ideological battle over slavery and fanatics who attack abortion clinics and kill doctors are compared to John Brown.
The campaign to abolish slavery was primarily religious in nature although supporters of slavery also cited religion in support of their position.
The violent fringe of the pro-life movement are also usually end times Christian fanatics who quote Revelation comparing the abortion industry to the famous vision of the woman crying out in child birth and the dragon waiting to eat the baby as soon as it is born. They also take inspiration from Claus Von Stauffenberg, a devout Christian, who was prepared to kill Hitler and die for his beliefs. In their reasoning killing an abortion doctor is no different than killing Nazis because they draw a direct parallel between the Holocaust and the "murder" of millions of unborn fetuses.
Fanatics double down on their ideology when faced with insurmountable odds and insurmountable odds leave only the most committed and the most fanatical left in opposition.

josephryan1989

arayess wrote: »

you are living the past buddy you'd fit in well with ISIS

Hard line anti-abortion campaigners would compare abortion to ISIS.

You completely underestimate the mindset of hardliners.

You fail to understand that when people actually believe abortion is the murder of an innocent baby in the womb, they not only oppose those who are pro-choice, they see them as murderers and killers and when abortion is state sanctioned that means the legal and political authorities are no longer worthy of obedience. It doesn't take too much of a leap from that position to start planning armed resistance.

RDM_83 again

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Hard line anti-abortion campaigners would compare abortion to ISIS.

You completely underestimate the mindset of hardliners.

You fail to understand that when people actually believe abortion is the murder of an innocent baby in the womb, they not only oppose those who are pro-choice, they see them as murderers and killers and when abortion is state sanctioned that means the legal and political authorities are no longer worthy of obedience. It doesn't take too much of a leap from that position to start planning armed resistance.

Yeah, I am in no way condoning this but if you believe that a fetus at any stage is equal in worth to an adult life, gunning down an abortion clinic suddenly seems more logical, clinic carries out 1000's of procedures a year you consider each of those a murder suddenly killing 10 people to stop it doesn't seem like such a illogical idea.
In relation to why its nearly always fundamentalist protestant Christians involved in this (AFAIK can't think of a Catholic or Orthodox carrying out one of these attacks ) my guess its because they place a much higher emphasis on the Old Testament which has a lot more smiting and less turning the other cheek than that hippy Jesus was preaching.

arayess

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Hard line anti-abortion campaigners would compare abortion to ISIS.

You completely underestimate the mindset of hardliners.

You fail to understand that when people actually believe abortion is the murder of an innocent baby in the womb, they not only oppose those who are pro-choice, they see them as murderers and killers and when abortion is state sanctioned that means the legal and political authorities are no longer worthy of obedience. It doesn't take too much of a leap from that position to start planning armed resistance.

I understand fully as I would think along similar lines but not exactly.
I believe abortion to be wrong , I accept there are exceptions to my rule in difficult circumstance. BUt yes I consider it murder unless there was a medical reason for the abortion.

I've never judged a women who had an abortion (I've known a few) but since you raised the point I would consider an abortionist a murderer. You may point out a hypocrisy in those two opinions but I can live with that. However I won't be shooting up clinics and killing doctors/workers ( I would not be in favour of this action at all ) but I don't expect me to be polite should I ever meet one

KingBrian2

Does this incident tell us that the gun control debate will recommence once again?

kneemos

Whatever about any ideological principles,yer man on the news just looked wide eyed,down home bat **** crazy.

KingBrian2

kneemos wrote: »

Whatever about any ideological principles,yer man on the news just looked wide eyed,down home bat **** crazy.

Yeah he still got possession of a weapon somehow from somewhere.

Junkyard Tom

arayess wrote: »

you are living the past buddy you'd fit in well with ISIS

I'd last a few minutes I'd say what with me being a liberal, pro-equality, anti-war, secularist, non-believer.

Now get back behind your keyboard with your box of tissues as you masturbate furiously to explosions and gun battles.

mzungu

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Does this incident tell us that the gun control debate will recommence once again?

A few harsh words on both sides, and then business as usual. Until the next one comes along.

BattleCorp

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Does this incident tell us that the gun control debate will recommence once again?

There are heading for 300,000,000 guns over there.

How do you suggest they control who has access to them. You can try, but you won't succeed fully.

I read that 190,000 guns were bought on Black Friday alone. That's about the equivalent of all the licenced guns in Ireland.

Hard to change that culture.

Dave_The_Sheep

BattleCorp wrote: »

There are heading for 300,000,000 guns over there.

How do you suggest they control who has access to them. You can try, but you won't succeed fully.

I read that 190,000 guns were bought on Black Friday alone. That's about the equivalent of all the licenced guns in Ireland.

Hard to change that culture.

They might as well not bother so.

IvyTheTerrible

I wonder if the shooter was black would he have been taken alive?

IvyTheTerrible

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I wonder if the shooter was black would he have been taken alive?

Because religion, gun, and pro-life debates aren't enough....we need to bring the race debate into the mix

arayess

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'd last a few minutes I'd say what with me being a liberal, pro-equality, anti-war, secularist, non-believer.

Now get back behind your keyboard with your box of tissues as you masturbate furiously to explosions and gun battles.

such anger. maybe you need some masturbation to calm down

i stream my porn through the tv. no jizz on my keyboard:pac:

wes

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I wonder if the shooter was black would he have been taken alive?

At least they didn't take this guy to Burger King after being arrested this time round.

keano_afc

So has anything been confirmed in this incident or are we still free to throw around wild assumptions?

CameraBag

Basil3 wrote: »

Because religion, gun, and pro-life debates aren't enough....we need to bring the race debate into the mix

And at times like these, everyone is suddenly an expert on all of the above topics!

Nodin

keano_afc wrote: »

So has anything been confirmed in this incident or are we still free to throw around wild assumptions?

He said to one neighbour that he should get a steel roof as that would stop the Government spying on him, so draw your conclusions from that.

PopePalpatine

keano_afc wrote: »

So has anything been confirmed in this incident or are we still free to throw around wild assumptions?

Three dead, shooter was a white Christian so he'd definitely not be called a terrorist, and he shouted "NO MORE BABY PARTS!" during the attack.

josephryan1989

One of the victims of the shooting was a black Texan war veteran who served in the 4th Infantry Division in the Iraq War named Ke’Arre Stewart who was described by a friend as a sincere guy who would take a bullet for you.
The cop who died Garrett Swasey was also a co-pastor and a champion figure skater before he became a policeman. He was good friend in his youth of the Olympic champion skater Nancy Kerrigan.
Both men were fathers and family men.
The third victim was Jennifer Markovsky, from Hawaii, who was the wife of a soldier based in Colorado.

Billy86

Shooter's wife says he "believed wholeheartedly" in the Bible, and liked telling people how he had read it from cover-to-cover: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/ex-wife-recalls-colorado-gunman-as-imperfect-but-a-good-man.html

Let's keep track of how often the media outlets refer to this as 'extremist Christian terrorism' moving forward........