How much do they get paid?

jockeyboard

Someone mentioned that one blogger had to get an 'unfiltered' photo taken down after a fan posted one?
Whats story with this? Was photo awful or just because she hadnt taken it?

Jbosssie1

anna080 wrote: »

I wouldn't pay a red cent to attend any of these blogger events but equally I don't see any problem with people who do want to attend. Each to their own and if that's how some people want to spend their money then let them off.

No I wouldn't either and your right each to their own it just annoys me because my nieces are so taken in by these product placements ect wanting to buy stuff that has been shown for 10 seconds on snapchat when it's so clear they are being rewarded for these quick snaps

ameliams

Jbosssie1 wrote: »

You seem to know a lot about who was running it do you know anyone who went
I think 75 is very dear for a ticket too but a few that charge that have worked hard to get to where they are put a lot of work into blogs ect .. They didn't decide to cash in after becoming snapchat famous .. I didn't see any of them saying there event was sponsored which brings me to why this whole post started these so called snapchat famous bloggers who get freebies and backhanders for subliminal advertising and product placement when their audiences are mainly young impressionable girls it's so shady all the follower wants is honesty if it's an ad say it if it's sponsored say it if you received free items review them before you swear by the product I know girls who have little business's who invited these bloggers to events to try free treatments or products only to be told it will cost them 300 for a good review or some of them reviewing cars ect actually one of the Bridies reviewed a car she was given a 'loan' of to try out

I know someone who went who told me the basics and she was very happy with the day out. But the whole event was also on all of their snapchats and Sharon from behind green eyes, orla from makeup over mind and holly shorttall all went and talked about it.

You could actually watch nearly the whole thing on snapchat someone different people recorded it. And I know about the four because I've watched their snapchats.

Karen runs the blog my lovely girlie bits with her sister.
Laura is the editor of confetti and runs her own business.
Ellen runs her own business.
And aisling is the editor of xpose magazine.
They all have quite successful careers without snapchat.

And they all, I think, went through all the products they'd been given for the event there was no secret that they hadn't paid for it.
Plus I think it is the older mid twenty range that follow them rather than teenagers I don't think they have quite the influence other bloggers do over really young girls.
I do get what you're saying about bloggers and influence and lies etc. but I don't think you claim that event was doing that. It was an event they held because there was the market there to do it.

And no I don't know any of them and I'm not one of them. I don't even particularly like all of them. But holding an event like that isn't ripping people off. People choose to buy tickets for these things.

retro:electro

jockeyboard wrote: »

Someone mentioned that one blogger had to get an 'unfiltered' photo taken down after a fan posted one?
Whats story with this? Was photo awful or just because she hadnt taken it?

Was curious about this comment too, whatever it is it sounds awful!

Taboola

It was a photo a fan took of her - i'll repeat that, a fan and she looked completely different to the photo she posted about 30mins prior to it. She looked about a stone heavier and had bags under her eyes. A lot of people asked what the deal was and then there was some BS excuse about being on her period and being stressed and people bullying her. She blocked the fan who had travelled to see her to get her book signed.

lazygal

The events are no different to Expose live or similar. I went to Expose a few years ago with my mother and sister and it was rubbish. However, it was our choice to go and it was a lesson learned, this type of thing is not for us. Running an event is not the same as contantly referring to a product or service without stating clearly that you are being paid by a brand to promote said product or service.

Jbosssie1

ameliams wrote: »

I know someone who went who told me the basics and she was very happy with the day out. But the whole event was also on all of their snapchats and Sharon from behind green eyes, orla from makeup over mind and holly shorttall all went and talked about it.

You could actually watch nearly the whole thing on snapchat someone different people recorded it. And I know about the four because I've watched their snapchats.

Karen runs the blog my lovely girlie bits with her sister.
Laura is the editor of confetti and runs her own business.
Ellen runs her own business.
And aisling is the editor of xpose magazine.
They all have quite successful careers without snapchat.

And they all, I think, went through all the products they'd been given for the event there was no secret that they hadn't paid for it.
Plus I think it is the older mid twenty range that follow them rather than teenagers I don't think they have quite the influence other bloggers do over really young girls.
I do get what you're saying about bloggers and influence and lies etc. but I don't think you claim that event was doing that. It was an event they held because there was the market there to do it.

And no I don't know any of them and I'm not one of them. I don't even particularly like all of them. But holding an event like that isn't ripping people off. People choose to buy tickets for these things.

the girls I know who went said it wasn't worth the money I do know of all the girls your talking about one in particular I follow years since she started with her sister she was actually one of my favourites
I also know a couple of snapchat bloggers in person (I've been in the industry of beauty for years ) so maybe the inside information I have from girls who have dealt with a few of these bloggers or sent them stuff to review or invited them to events have made me sceptical
In my opinion some of these events are cashing in ...no problem at all
About holding the events it's the high price of the tickets in my opinion is wrong especially if you do carry on with the whole product placement advertising on your snapchat just makes some of them untrustworthy to me when you make money by not being transparent about freebies you don't review but recommend and receive backhanders or ask for money in return for a good review it discredits the person and actually makes me have doubts about their authenticity when holding these events is it being done for the enjoyment and make a few extra euro (which is a great idea) or is it just another extension of cashing in
And I know a lot of younger girls that follow at least 3 of them women

Jbosssie1

aine92 wrote: »

I actually totally disagree with you here to be honest, I think you're blurring the lines a bit.

So, a snapchatter gets, oh I don't know lets say a contouring palette from another blogger (!!!) and said blogger says look, do this review, make It a good one, put it in your February Favourites video, feature it on snapchat and I'll send you more stuff and we will be in cahoots about the whole thing. Maybe money would change hands. This is sneaky, this is dishonest, this is deceitful and just wrong and the girls who are doing it shouldn't be allowed to blog anymore.

The Bridie Brunch, while its something I wouldn't attend myself, is totally different. If you CHOOSE to pay that money then that's your own prerogative, I think you're a fool, but whatever. They don't get strictly paid for that beyond ticket sales. Penneys don't pay them, they sponsor them. They are no different from the various Fashion Factory days and Makeup Masterclasses that bloggers hold. They get money from ticket sales but they are clearly sponsored, and by sponsored I mean given free gear to hand out. There's no dishonesty there unless you're an eejit.

These two things are different. That's like saying that going to the Bulmers comedy show is wrong because it is sponsored. Same as buying tickets to any event really.

As a disclaimer, before I get attacked, I am none of the Bridie Bunch, I have not attended nor would I and I have no affiliation to them. I just think they're very different things to compare.

My main issue is when a particular person or persons are guilty of that dishonesty your talking about goes on to hold one of these events then it makes me feel like this is another way to cash and not oh I love doing this lets Have an event sell
A few tickets because it will be great to meet people who follow us and make a few euro at the same time when your being dishonest on your blog and snapchat it makes people doubt your integrity going forward I actually can't say too much about what I know or names ect as the post will be deleted anyway nothing wrong with a difference of opinion makes the world go around

Jbosssie1

Taboola wrote: »

It was a photo a fan took of her - i'll repeat that, a fan and she looked completely different to the photo she posted about 30mins prior to it. She looked about a stone heavier and had bags under her eyes. A lot of people asked what the deal was and then there was some BS excuse about being on her period and being stressed and people bullying her. She blocked the fan who had travelled to see her to get her book signed.

Can't believe that the poor girl who went to
See her

dashdoll

Taboola wrote: »

It was a photo a fan took of her - i'll repeat that, a fan and she looked completely different to the photo she posted about 30mins prior to it. She looked about a stone heavier and had bags under her eyes. A lot of people asked what the deal was and then there was some BS excuse about being on her period and being stressed and people bullying her. She blocked the fan who had travelled to see her to get her book signed.

Jesus, that sounds like an overreaction. Everyone looks better in well angled selfies etc...just own it. A certain blogger has been doing features on Xpose a lot recently and I honestly hardly recognised her on it compared to her own images on social media. Good looking girl so better off uploading realistic images in the long run.

Is it just me or does there seem to be an oversaturation of full time bloggers who have made it their career in Ireland? It's a small place and it's beyond tedious looking at the same pallette or serum that they all have received on the same day!

lazygal

One of my friends told me recently she got the shock of her life when she saw one of the 'stylists' presenting something on Expose, it was an old work colleague she hadn't seen in years. This woman has a very small time blog, I hadn't heard of her at all, and certainly doesn't seem to have a lot of expertise in the field of style and fashion, and yet here she was, presenting the latest looks and advising us all.

FlexiLexi

Taboola wrote: »

It was a photo a fan took of her - i'll repeat that, a fan and she looked completely different to the photo she posted about 30mins prior to it. She looked about a stone heavier and had bags under her eyes. A lot of people asked what the deal was and then there was some BS excuse about being on her period and being stressed and people bullying her. She blocked the fan who had travelled to see her to get her book signed.

Jesus wept!!!!! That is unbelievable that she blocked her, that girl probably put €20 in her pocket that night by buying her book too!!! I vaguely remember said blogger saying the lighting was poor and I do remember the rant that followed on her snapchat about body shaming. To be honest if she didn't feel the need to edit her photos then this sort of thing wouldn't be such a big deal. You can hardly write a chapter in your book on body confidence and then have this sort of fiasco!

XxMCRxBabyxX

lazygal wrote: »

Did anyone see Sinead from The Beautiful Truth on snapchat? A bit of a rant!

Has she taken it down or did I just miss it?

I was actually told about this thread/story by a blogger friend. I have no problem with bloggers being paid as long as they are upfront about it. Free things I'm looser about as I've gotten cynical enough to presume that most things have been gifted to the bloggers. I just don't know why bloggers won't be honest. I can't really see it hurting them that much overall. All I'd like to know is opinions (even if they might be a bit coloured) and how the bloggers use the products.

Clairebyreverie

​Hi everyone. I thought I would jump in on this discussion as no other bloggers have.

I think your discussion is fair, there is very little bitchiness (some though, perhaps not maliciously though), but I do think there is a bit of misunderstanding.

One person mentioned that it might possibly be illegal for brands to pay people to promote their product - it's not, otherwise Kim Kardashian et al wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing. It is illegal to promote products that you are being paid for without stating that it's sponsored (it's a product placement).

Now. The real reason I'm leaving this longwinded comment. One remark from amesliam (sorry if the spelling is wrong), to the effect that the entire blogging community is shameful, this is a sentiment that rings through most of the comments here. Personally I found that really upsetting; not just because I'm a blogger but because I read so many blogs that don't do this cr**.

The fact is; bloggers are allowed, and should if they want to, make money from their blog, it's no one's place to say they can't. The only issue is the few bloggers that don't disclose information. Some people understand that it's ok and completely honest to make money from your blog, others just don't seem to like when people get products or services to try out, as any journalist does, in the hope that they will write a review. There are bloggers out there who earn enough to maintain a pretty enviable lifestyle, there are others that earn enough to maybe get a holiday out of it, others that earn enough for a bag of chips after the pub, and others, like me, who earn nothing from it but still work damn hard at creating good content.

Yes there are some bloggers that don't disclose the fact they are being paid to promote or product. There are absolutely no more that 5 or 6 that do this in Ireland; I would be very surprised to learn that there are more than that. It's sad to see that all bloggers are being written off in this thread as being 'shameful' when it is genuinely the smallest percentage of Irish bloggers imaginable that commit the offence being discussed. I don't read the blogs of these people (you know who most of them are, I'm sure), they are the most popular bloggers in Ireland but they are very 'samey' and what they post on social media just bores me to tears if I'm honest. It's just not my cup of tea; add the fact that they are plugging brands to young people without mentioning that it's an advertisement makes me a little bit angry that the likes of Stellar Magazine are all over them.

I don't read their blogs, yet I read a tonne of other Irish blogs. If you enjoy reading social commentary, beauty reviews etc there are plenty of other wonderful bloggers out there; some of them are paid by brands, but are transparent about it, most of them would get the odd PR product but they will mention it on their posts. All of them are 100% in love with blogging, passionate about what they write about and, in my opinion, far better writers than the top say 3 or 4 bloggers in the country. The Beautiful Truth has already been mentioned, there is lilliwhite rose, where is my mind?, Behind Green Eyes, Squidgymoments, Sophisti-kat, Total Make Up Addict, The Life and Style of Jen, ItsallG; the list is endless! All of these bloggers are very passionate about the topics they write about and will not inundate your feed with blatant advertising; it they ever do, they will SAY that it's an advertisement.

PLEASE don't lump all of us on to the same pile. There are still plenty of us who blog with integrity, and with love. My suggestion is that if you are fed up feeling ripped off by certain bloggers or if there is an element of mistrust, forget about them; unfollow them if they no longer interest you and seek out these bloggers who will hopefully restore your faith in the Irish blogging community.

Clairebyreverie

​Hi everyone. I thought I would jump in on this discussion as no other bloggers have as far as I know.

I think your discussion is fair, there is very little bitchiness (some though, perhaps not maliciously though), but I do think there is a bit of misunderstanding.

One person mentioned that it might possibly be illegal for brands to pay people to promote their product - it's not, otherwise Kim Kardashian et al wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing. It is illegal to promote products that you are being paid for without stating that it's sponsored (it's a product placement).

Now. The real reason I'm leaving this longwinded comment. One remark from amesliam (sorry if the spelling is wrong), to the effect that the entire blogging community is shameful, this is a sentiment that rings through most of the comments here. Personally I found that really upsetting; not just because I'm a blogger but because I read so many blogs that don't do this cr**.

The fact is; bloggers are allowed, and should if they want to, make money from their blog, it's no one's place to say they can't. The only issue is the few bloggers that don't disclose information. Some people understand that it's ok and completely honest to make money from your blog, others just don't seem to like when people get products or services to try out, as any journalist does, in the hope that they will write a review. There are bloggers out there who earn enough to maintain a pretty enviable lifestyle, there are others that earn enough to maybe get a holiday out of it, others that earn enough for a bag of chips after the pub, and others, like me, who earn nothing from it but still work damn hard at creating good content.

Yes there are some bloggers that don't disclose the fact they are being paid to promote or product. There are absolutely no more that 5 or 6 that do this in Ireland; I would be very surprised to learn that there are more than that. It's sad to see that all bloggers are being written off in this thread as being 'shameful' when it is genuinely the smallest percentage of Irish bloggers imaginable that commit the offence being discussed. I don't read the blogs of these people (you know who most of them are, I'm sure), they are the most popular bloggers in Ireland but they are very 'samey' and what they post on social media just bores me to tears if I'm honest. It's just not my cup of tea; add the fact that they are plugging brands to young people without mentioning that it's an advertisement makes me a little bit angry that the likes of Stellar Magazine are all over them.

I don't read their blogs, yet I read a tonne of other Irish blogs. If you enjoy reading social commentary, beauty reviews etc there are plenty of other wonderful bloggers out there; some of them are paid by brands, but are transparent about it, most of them would get the odd PR product but they will mention it on their posts. All of them are 100% in love with blogging, passionate about what they write about and, in my opinion, far better writers than the top say 3 or 4 bloggers in the country. The Beautiful Truth has already been mentioned, there is lilliwhite rose, where is my mind?, Behind Green Eyes, Squidgymoments, Sophisti-kat, Total Make Up Addict, The Life and Style of Jen, ItsallG; the list is endless! All of these bloggers are very passionate about the topics they write about and will not inundate your feed with blatant advertising; it they ever do, they will SAY that it's an advertisement.

PLEASE don't lump all of us on to the same pile. There are still plenty of us who blog with integrity, and with love. My suggestion is that if you are fed up feeling ripped off by certain bloggers or if there is an element of mistrust, forget about them; unfollow them if they no longer interest you and seek out these bloggers who will hopefully restore your faith in the Irish blogging community.

ameliams

Clairebyreverie wrote: »

​Hi everyone. I thought I would jump in on this discussion as no other bloggers have.

I think your discussion is fair, there is very little bitchiness (some though, perhaps not maliciously though), but I do think there is a bit of misunderstanding.

One person mentioned that it might possibly be illegal for brands to pay people to promote their product - it's not, otherwise Kim Kardashian et al wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing. It is illegal to promote products that you are being paid for without stating that it's sponsored (it's a product placement).

Now. The real reason I'm leaving this longwinded comment. One remark from amesliam (sorry if the spelling is wrong), to the effect that the entire blogging community is shameful, this is a sentiment that rings through most of the comments here. Personally I found that really upsetting; not just because I'm a blogger but because I read so many blogs that don't do this cr**.

The fact is; bloggers are allowed, and should if they want to, make money from their blog, it's no one's place to say they can't. The only issue is the few bloggers that don't disclose information. Some people understand that it's ok and completely honest to make money from your blog, others just don't seem to like when people get products or services to try out, as any journalist does, in the hope that they will write a review. There are bloggers out there who earn enough to maintain a pretty enviable lifestyle, there are others that earn enough to maybe get a holiday out of it, others that earn enough for a bag of chips after the pub, and others, like me, who earn nothing from it but still work damn hard at creating good content.

Yes there are some bloggers that don't disclose the fact they are being paid to promote or product. There are absolutely no more that 5 or 6 that do this in Ireland; I would be very surprised to learn that there are more than that. It's sad to see that all bloggers are being written off in this thread as being 'shameful' when it is genuinely the smallest percentage of Irish bloggers imaginable that commit the offence being discussed. I don't read the blogs of these people (you know who most of them are, I'm sure), they are the most popular bloggers in Ireland but they are very 'samey' and what they post on social media just bores me to tears if I'm honest. It's just not my cup of tea; add the fact that they are plugging brands to young people without mentioning that it's an advertisement makes me a little bit angry that the likes of Stellar Magazine are all over them.

I don't read their blogs, yet I read a tonne of other Irish blogs. If you enjoy reading social commentary, beauty reviews etc there are plenty of other wonderful bloggers out there; some of them are paid by brands, but are transparent about it, most of them would get the odd PR product but they will mention it on their posts. All of them are 100% in love with blogging, passionate about what they write about and, in my opinion, far better writers than the top say 3 or 4 bloggers in the country. The Beautiful Truth has already been mentioned, there is lilliwhite rose, where is my mind?, Behind Green Eyes, Squidgymoments, Sophisti-kat, Total Make Up Addict, The Life and Style of Jen, ItsallG; the list is endless! All of these bloggers are very passionate about the topics they write about and will not inundate your feed with blatant advertising; it they ever do, they will SAY that it's an advertisement.

PLEASE don't lump all of us on to the same pile. There are still plenty of us who blog with integrity, and with love. My suggestion is that if you are fed up feeling ripped off by certain bloggers or if there is an element of mistrust, forget about them; unfollow them if they no longer interest you and seek out these bloggers who will hopefully restore your faith in the Irish blogging community.

Hi me who said it was shameful. It is unfair of me to lump it altogether like that. It's just tiring really and upsetting to see comments like the one that came up yesterday from a blogger to a reader. To see a grown woman respond to a follower who had provided criticism in that manner is frankly disgusting.
Yes we should pay more attention to the lesser ones who don't do such things but it's quite hard to even consider any respect for blogging when the people at the top have no right to be there.

I've seen horrible comments like that one made, over reactions, fights on Instagram posts, rants etc. and these are the women that are making money from this. Selling books, products, events etc.
So you can imagine that while we can just follow the ones we respect its still the bigger ones who are raking in the money despite their behaviour.

Blogs like the ones you've mentioned they are great blogs and lovely women, but like the beaut truth has said, she doesn't make money at all from blogging.
And most of the others don't either.

HeyTherePlease

I am thrilled this is coming to light - I'd also like to know the value on what they get gifted each year because once it hits the €3000 threshold, they will be liable for Capital Acquisitions Tax of 33% on the value of the goods. No one is above paying tax and it is certainly not on the rest of us who work full time to carry these 'professional bloggers'. I hope there will be spotlight on this issue and they will be accountable - evading tax may put their assets at risk & CAB may become involved. I know this is the extreme but things are getting out of hand and there seems to be far much cash floating under the table

Jbosssie1

Clairebyreverie wrote: »

​Hi everyone. I thought I would jump in on this discussion as no other bloggers have.

I think your discussion is fair, there is very little bitchiness (some though, perhaps not maliciously though), but I do think there is a bit of misunderstanding.

One person mentioned that it might possibly be illegal for brands to pay people to promote their product - it's not, otherwise Kim Kardashian et al wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing. It is illegal to promote products that you are being paid for without stating that it's sponsored (it's a product placement).

Now. The real reason I'm leaving this longwinded comment. One remark from amesliam (sorry if the spelling is wrong), to the effect that the entire blogging community is shameful, this is a sentiment that rings through most of the comments here. Personally I found that really upsetting; not just because I'm a blogger but because I read so many blogs that don't do this cr**.

The fact is; bloggers are allowed, and should if they want to, make money from their blog, it's no one's place to say they can't. The only issue is the few bloggers that don't disclose information. Some people understand that it's ok and completely honest to make money from your blog, others just don't seem to like when people get products or services to try out, as any journalist does, in the hope that they will write a review. There are bloggers out there who earn enough to maintain a pretty enviable lifestyle, there are others that earn enough to maybe get a holiday out of it, others that earn enough for a bag of chips after the pub, and others, like me, who earn nothing from it but still work damn hard at creating good content.

Yes there are some bloggers that don't disclose the fact they are being paid to promote or product. There are absolutely no more that 5 or 6 that do this in Ireland; I would be very surprised to learn that there are more than that. It's sad to see that all bloggers are being written off in this thread as being 'shameful' when it is genuinely the smallest percentage of Irish bloggers imaginable that commit the offence being discussed. I don't read the blogs of these people (you know who most of them are, I'm sure), they are the most popular bloggers in Ireland but they are very 'samey' and what they post on social media just bores me to tears if I'm honest. It's just not my cup of tea; add the fact that they are plugging brands to young people without mentioning that it's an advertisement makes me a little bit angry that the likes of Stellar Magazine are all over them.

I don't read their blogs, yet I read a tonne of other Irish blogs. If you enjoy reading social commentary, beauty reviews etc there are plenty of other wonderful bloggers out there; some of them are paid by brands, but are transparent about it, most of them would get the odd PR product but they will mention it on their posts. All of them are 100% in love with blogging, passionate about what they write about and, in my opinion, far better writers than the top say 3 or 4 bloggers in the country. The Beautiful Truth has already been mentioned, there is lilliwhite rose, where is my mind?, Behind Green Eyes, Squidgymoments, Sophisti-kat, Total Make Up Addict, The Life and Style of Jen, ItsallG; the list is endless! All of these bloggers are very passionate about the topics they write about and will not inundate your feed with blatant advertising; it they ever do, they will SAY that it's an advertisement.

PLEASE don't lump all of us on to the same pile. There are still plenty of us who blog with integrity, and with love. My suggestion is that if you are fed up feeling ripped off by certain bloggers or if there is an element of mistrust, forget about them; unfollow them if they no longer interest you and seek out these bloggers who will hopefully restore your faith in the Irish blogging community.

I'm actually a big follower of blogs I follow all that you mention and they are very genuine which is what is so annoying that the bloggers that are being deceitful and ruining all the genuine girls reputations the girls you mention among others have been blogging for years and are getting over looked by girls who started in the last year or so who are getting put up for goss.ie and stellar awards and guest slots on xpose due to that constant plugging
No one would begrudge any of you girls a freebie its all part and parcel it's the girls that take it too far that plug everything from a face cream
They used once restaurants laser treatments braces companies that deliver meat to them one even promoted marvin.ie a few times after they received a voucher off them all which is done in 10 second snaps no reviews or follow ups of the creams they promoted ect and then When asked if its sponsored respond in a horrible manner it's actually very telling who's genuine and who's not the girls on snapchat since last night are telling their followers they don't get paid take backhanders or charge for good reviews and the ones who are completely ignoring the issue look guilty it's you girls that deserve the recognition and respect and deserve to earn money as your transparent no one minds that at all it's the secrecy and deceit that followers Won't tolerate anymore .. Best of luck with your blog Hun

Jbosssie1

HeyTherePlease wrote: »

I am thrilled this is coming to light - I'd also like to know the value on what they get gifted each year because once it hits the €3000 threshold, they will be liable for Capital Acquisitions Tax of 33% on the value of the goods. No one is above paying tax and it is certainly not on the rest of us who work full time to carry these 'professional bloggers'. I hope there will be spotlight on this issue and they will be accountable - evading tax may put their assets at risk & CAB may become involved. I know this is the extreme but things are getting out of hand and there seems to be far much cash floating under the table

Exactly why are we paying taxes while these full time career bloggers are taking backhanders charging for reviews and it's all cash in hand if a company especially a small one offers you free treatments for a review by all means do it make sure it's honest but charging for a good review is disgusting give these small businesses a hand to move forward but do it with honesty don't throw a snap up of where your getting your nails done unless you wait a couple of weeks talk about how long they lasted ect some of these places are giving money for them
Quick snaps shocking

PinkLemonade

HeyTherePlease wrote: »

I am thrilled this is coming to light - I'd also like to know the value on what they get gifted each year because once it hits the €3000 threshold, they will be liable for Capital Acquisitions Tax of 33% on the value of the goods. No one is above paying tax and it is certainly not on the rest of us who work full time to carry these 'professional bloggers'. I hope there will be spotlight on this issue and they will be accountable - evading tax may put their assets at risk & CAB may become involved. I know this is the extreme but things are getting out of hand and there seems to be far much cash floating under the table

It's 3000e from one person meaning that each company can gift them up to that amount each year, unless I'm reading it wrong

Clairebyreverie

Jbosssie1 wrote: »

I'm actually a big follower of blogs I follow all that you mention and they are very genuine which is what is so annoying that the bloggers that are being deceitful and ruining all the genuine girls reputations the girls you mention among others have been blogging for years and are getting over looked by girls who started in the last year or so who are getting put up for goss.ie and stellar awards and guest slots on xpose due to that constant plugging
No one would begrudge any of you girls a freebie its all part and parcel it's the girls that take it too far that plug everything from a face cream
They used once restaurants laser treatments braces companies that deliver meat to them one even promoted marvin.ie a few times after they received a voucher off them all which is done in 10 second snaps no reviews or follow ups of the creams they promoted ect and then When asked if its sponsored respond in a horrible manner it's actually very telling who's genuine and who's not the girls on snapchat since last night are telling their followers they don't get paid take backhanders or charge for good reviews and the ones who are completely ignoring the issue look guilty it's you girls that deserve the recognition and respect and deserve to earn money as your transparent no one minds that at all it's the secrecy and deceit that followers Won't tolerate anymore .. Best of luck with your blog Hun

Thank you! It just wouldn't be in me, or most people I know, to be dishonest like that, there are always a few bad apples, I just hope that there are more people like you don't think that the entire community is like this!

Sunny Dayz

Clairebyreverie - your post hits the nail on the head. There are a few big famous bloggers in Ireland and it is their antics which give other bloggers a bad name. I follow many of those you mentioned in your post and I love reading blogs where there is as much personality in the posts, off the top of my head: The Makeup Monster and The Beautiful Truth and (Dramatic Mac on youtube) have such great ways of writing and such fantastic personalities and passion coming across in theirs posts that they truly are a joy to read and the girls make the time to write/video them as well as work.


However contrast that to the famous blogger posts - their posts are less frequent, read more like a press release and have little or no personality coming across in them.


I think in light of the past few days, between the momentum of this thread and postings on facebook, "normal" beauty bloggers (ie one's who don't blog for a living) should be making a collective stand against this tarring all with the same brush. I hope honesty and integrity wins out....

Jbosssie1

Clairebyreverie wrote: »

Thank you! It just wouldn't be in me, or most people I know, to be dishonest like that, there are always a few bad apples, I just hope that there are more people like you don't think that the entire community is like this!

No most people know exactly who it is and unfortunately they seem to have risen to the top very quickly and also seem to have the younger more impressionable girls following them which makes it worse

FlexiLexi

Clairebyreverie wrote: »

Thank you! It just wouldn't be in me, or most people I know, to be dishonest like that, there are always a few bad apples, I just hope that there are more people like you don't think that the entire community is like this!

I certainly would trust the opinions of the bloggers you mentioned before the top girls who are taking backhanders, it's just a case of not everyone will know enough about other bloggers and just see the girls who are always in the media and take their word for it because of how well known they are - I speak as someone who thought she had to have certain palettes and foundations when in actual fact they're gathering dust and the bloggers haven't mentioned them in ages! As I've already said - lesson learned!! Big fan of cherry sue and behind green eyes blogs - v honest and transparent the way it should have always been!

Clairebyreverie

ameliams wrote: »

Hi me who said it was shameful. It is unfair of me to lump it altogether like that. It's just tiring really and upsetting to see comments like the one that came up yesterday from a blogger to a reader. To see a grown woman respond to a follower who had provided criticism in that manner is frankly disgusting.
Yes we should pay more attention to the lesser ones who don't do such things but it's quite hard to even consider any respect for blogging when the people at the top have no right to be there.

I've seen horrible comments like that one made, over reactions, fights on Instagram posts, rants etc. and these are the women that are making money from this. Selling books, products, events etc.
So you can imagine that while we can just follow the ones we respect its still the bigger ones who are raking in the money despite their behaviour.

Blogs like the ones you've mentioned they are great blogs and lovely women, but like the beaut truth has said, she doesn't make money at all from blogging.
And most of the others don't either.

I wasn't have a go at you BTW it was just the "entire scene" got me and I felt the need to clear it up haha. It is upsetting as a reader and a blogger to see nasty comments. I've had friends who were treated poorly too in similar ways. Always a bad apple somewhere!

meeeeh

Ok it might be just me but how many palettes or foundations and serums, creams or whatever are actually needed? Bloggers can't be the only ones blamed for people's impulsive shopping when they are bored. Also all make up is subjective an even a honest recommendations could be completely wrong for a different skin type/tone or whatever. The same goes for clothing. If someone buys half of Penny's badly made and fitting stuff it isn't just because blogger made them do it. There is something called personal responsibility. And I would expect certain amount of it even among 15 year-olds. Although blowing money on make up and not being able to afford cigarettes might not be a bad thing.

Jbosssie1

meeeeh wrote: »

Ok it might be just me but how many palettes or foundations and serums, creams or whatever are actually needed? Bloggers can't be the only ones blamed for people's impulsive shopping when they are bored. Also all make up is subjective an even a honest recommendations could be completely wrong for a different skin type/tone or whatever. The same goes for clothing. If someone buys half of Penny's badly made and fitting stuff it isn't just because blogger made them do it. There is something called personal responsibility. And I would expect certain amount of it even among 15 year-olds. Although blowing money on make up and not being able to afford cigarettes might not be a bad thing.

No one is blaming bloggers on whether it worked for them didn't work for me the problem is a small minority show 10 second videos of a product saying it's great without proper use or review one girl earlier this week had a brand new cream used it once the night before and raved how great her skin felt that it was amazing that's irresponsible a lot of people listen to their opinions and take their advice if she had said I'm trying this cream so far so good I will get back to you with an indeph review in a few weeks then that would be fine but it's the backhanders this girl and the others take for just putting it on a 10 second video without saying this is a sponsored post ect there are new regulations coming in about this not only that the small minority are ruining the reputation of girls who are honest and transparent who work
Hard on the blogs while they cash in from what I hear some people have proof of them
Girls asking for money for a good review ect and they will be posting it online soon I hope they do expose them

ameliams

Clairebyreverie wrote: »

I wasn't have a go at you BTW it was just the "entire scene" got me and I felt the need to clear it up haha. It is upsetting as a reader and a blogger to see nasty comments. I've had friends who were treated poorly too in similar ways. Always a bad apple somewhere!

Oh no I didn't think you were. Like I said in the original post it's the minority ruining it for the majority unfortunately.

You can understand why people feel the need to group everyone into one when it's the crappy behaviour that comes from the top.

I never have any problem with people making money from they love if they do it well and honestly. And I would love to see some of the lesser known blogs grow because there is one in particular I think is very well written and does some great negative reviews on items which can very well work much better than positive reviews. It's just all very disheartening to see the only negativity from certain people be towards their followers. They won't bash a brand but they'll bash a follower.

meeeeh

Jbosssie1 wrote: »

No one is blaming bloggers on whether it worked for them didn't work for me the problem is a small minority show 10 second videos of a product saying it's great without proper use or review one girl earlier this week had a brand new cream used it once the night before and raved how great her skin felt that it was amazing that's irresponsible a lot of people listen to their opinions and take their advice if she had said I'm trying this cream so far so good I will get back to you with an indeph review in a few weeks then that would be fine but it's the backhanders this girl and the others take for just putting it on a 10 second video without saying this is a sponsored post ect there are new regulations coming in about this not only that the small minority are ruining the reputation of girls who are honest and transparent who work
Hard on the blogs while they cash in from what I hear some people have proof of them
Girls asking for money for a good review ect and they will be posting it online soon I hope they do expose them

I have no doubt there are dishonest practices around and the enforcement of the rules that are already exist would be welcome. It's not like new regulations were created to deal with this, they are just saying they will enforce them for bloggers. But those regulations still don't mean that they have to declare they got product for free, they only have to disclose when they are paid to do something. And considering some of those products are fairly expensive they can be good initiative for positive reviews in order they keep getting more samples.

So all in all it will be still impossible to trust random reviews without getting a bit more critical or familiar with the reviewer. The whole beauty blogging seems to be a bit of a craze at the moment and there is no quality control. Frankly I would think almost no blogger has enough scientific knowledge (chemistry, biology) and information to review any cream for anti-aging or some other effects. I agree that someone using a cream for a month is approaching things more honestly and professionally but their review is just as useless. It's a bit less important with make up because the surface, simpler products are being reviewed.

I can't bring myself to follow any bloggers, I look for reviews when I need them. Sometimes I check the entries in Irish Times but at the same time I don't understand hostility towards those girls (it is mostly girls). If people wouldn't get so invested into the blogger's recommendations and supposed lifestyle there would be less vitriol and few less bloggers would be popular enough to sell rubbish. I think a bit more critical distance and a bit less nastiness is needed more than enforcement of any standards.

JaneEyresque

I don't normally post here just mostly observe but one thing I find funny is how it's just bloggers getting a hard time for non declaration of payment or free product. Are people completely oblivious to the blatant advertising of a hotel a certain soon to be ex magazine editor about to turn freelancer has been doing on snapchat the last 24hours? Where was her declaration she stayed in the hotel for free? Or did you all buy that she posted and posted and posted about all the great features (including a fireplace) and the posting of a chess board saying she wants one even though she doesn't play. But of course had to say the name of the hotel at every opportunity. She has mentioned this hotel on all her social channels, where was the declaration of her free stay there? Everyone is getting caught up on the blogger hate that their blinded by the 'snapchat Stars' that are the ACTUAL ones getting paid for their posts, they're just more discreet about it because people assume just because they're non bloggers that everything they post doesn't have an ulterior motive. Personally I follow very few bloggers and I'm looking forward to the regulations that come in to be used, I see some bloggers do declare on their posts to be fair & they do always mention if they got something for free. I don't believe in reviews after one use or being rude to followers, that was uncalled for. Xpose and those that feature on it get paid to feature products and no question about it, someone on snapchat just because they're rude and 'honest' about certain things can fly under the radar when it comes to paid endorsements yet makes no declaration, and then guys that are 'funny' on snapchat also fly under the radar when they show products that are 'amazing'. Open your eyes to the online influencers and not just the full time bloggers (who yes some have lost the run of themselves particularly one that shot to success this year & has done some less than tasteful things) but by a certain soon to be freelancer that brought light to this post did so because she has been seen in a positive light here when realistically she is the one that will rake in all the paid endorsements once she poisons everyone's minds against bloggers because it shines the light away from her. I'm genuinely surprised no one has pointed this out in this post, clearly she's very clever. At least with bloggers you know they more than likely at least got free product & they have a website where they can post a declaration / disclaimer. These non bloggers / journalists / online influencers don't, and seems to have everyone here fooled.

Taboola

How do you know she stayed there for free?

ameliams

People aren't blind or stupid but they're also not going to comment on someone who is guaranteed to read it either, regardless of the situation.

onthemitch

JaneEyresque wrote: »

I don't normally post here just mostly observe but one thing I find funny is how it's just bloggers getting a hard time for non declaration of payment or free product. Are people completely oblivious to the blatant advertising of a hotel a certain soon to be ex magazine editor about to turn freelancer has been doing on snapchat the last 24hours? Where was her declaration she stayed in the hotel for free? Or did you all buy that she posted and posted and posted about all the great features (including a fireplace) and the posting of a chess board saying she wants one even though she doesn't play. But of course had to say the name of the hotel at every opportunity. She has mentioned this hotel on all her social channels, where was the declaration of her free stay there? Everyone is getting caught up on the blogger hate that their blinded by the 'snapchat Stars' that are the ACTUAL ones getting paid for their posts, they're just more discreet about it because people assume just because they're non bloggers that everything they post doesn't have an ulterior motive. Personally I follow very few bloggers and I'm looking forward to the regulations that come in to be used, I see some bloggers do declare on their posts to be fair & they do always mention if they got something for free. I don't believe in reviews after one use or being rude to followers, that was uncalled for. Xpose and those that feature on it get paid to feature products and no question about it, someone on snapchat just because they're rude and 'honest' about certain things can fly under the radar when it comes to paid endorsements yet makes no declaration, and then guys that are 'funny' on snapchat also fly under the radar when they show products that are 'amazing'. Open your eyes to the online influencers and not just the full time bloggers (who yes some have lost the run of themselves particularly one that shot to success this year & has done some less than tasteful things) but by a certain soon to be freelancer that brought light to this post did so because she has been seen in a positive light here when realistically she is the one that will rake in all the paid endorsements once she poisons everyone's minds against bloggers because it shines the light away from her. I'm genuinely surprised no one has pointed this out in this post, clearly she's very clever. At least with bloggers you know they more than likely at least got free product & they have a website where they can post a declaration / disclaimer. These non bloggers / journalists / online influencers don't, and seems to have everyone here fooled.

Hallo! This is Rosemary, with a random username – I'm not really sure why / when I decided on this one, but it seems as if it's impossible to change, so there you go.

You got one thing right – I did stay in the Kingsley for free. I was giving a talk on mental health in UCC as part of UCC Fashion Week, and the Fashion Society offered to put me up. But I told them I'd approach a PR I had a good relationship with instead, so they could save their money; as hotels aren't always busy midweek, they'll sometimes give you a room in the hopes of getting some publicity from it.

So the start of your post is spot on. That being said, if the hotel had been awful, I wouldn't have posted anything from it – and I do want the chess set! Because I'm pretentious, not because I play chess.

I don't have anything to hide, and I'm not ashamed of anything I receive for free, anything I've ever been paid for, or anything that I've paid for!

I snap loads of things throughout my day – restaurants I go to, weekends away, things I buy, holidays, almost all of which are paid for by me (unfortunately). I'm not under any obligation to disclose, mind you, what I do and don't pay for; that's not what the ASAI guidelines say and, in any case, things would get boring pretty quickly.

However, if I had been being paid for something, I would say that – as I tried to when I did a job for Oasis a few months back, and I mentioned a couple of times that I was "working with Oasis on this project". In future I think I'd try to be even more explicit, because that wasn't all that clear I don't think – although I don't know when / if it will even come up. I'm a journalist; I get paid to write, not to extoll the virtues of something on Snapchat.

As for the insinuation that I'm trying to poison people against bloggers so I can take their lucrative endorsement deals? That's just laughable!

JaneEyresque

Taboola wrote: »

How do you know she stayed there for free?

I made the assumption based on the mass amount of out of character comments and positive thoughts repeated over and over again and on many social platforms for the hotel. That came out of nowhere, which is the manner in which I and others assume the same when a blogger does it.

Same way someone mentioned that when A blogger posts one snap of her meal and one snap of a menu that she was paid or got the food for free. She probably did get it for free, but I don't see why peoole seem to be oblivious to all these online influencers and focus their negative attention on bloggers. I actually follow a business owner on snapchat and she had one of her staff members say on her snaps last week that '2016 is not year of the blogger it's year of the digital influencer'

This soon to be freelancer knows this is the case too so has no issue with endorsing negative attention towards bloggers knowing it makes her look better & a more worthy candidate to a paid endorsement that won't be declared.

As mentioned I follow very few bloggers now most of them are the smaller ones but I think it needed to be highlighted here too that it's not just bloggers that need the spotlight on them, & I hope the regulations come soon for them all. Unfortunately I suspect not. I follow bloggers that I know I would trust wheter they were paid for the promotion or not, providing it's been declared.

JaneEyresque

But Rosemary, youre whole point is that people are getting things for free and not disclosing them. I didn't see you disclose it once that you stayed their for free. Surely people had a right to know. Especially when everyone here is giving out mainly the fact bloggers get stuff for free and don't disclose. Pot, Kettle.

dashdoll

JaneEyresque wrote: »

I don't normally post here just mostly observe but one thing I find funny is how it's just bloggers getting a hard time for non declaration of payment or free product. Are people completely oblivious to the blatant advertising of a hotel a certain soon to be ex magazine editor about to turn freelancer has been doing on snapchat the last 24hours? Where was her declaration she stayed in the hotel for free? Or did you all buy that she posted and posted and posted about all the great features (including a fireplace) and the posting of a chess board saying she wants one even though she doesn't play. But of course had to say the name of the hotel at every opportunity. She has mentioned this hotel on all her social channels, where was the declaration of her free stay there? Everyone is getting caught up on the blogger hate that their blinded by the 'snapchat Stars' that are the ACTUAL ones getting paid for their posts, they're just more discreet about it because people assume just because they're non bloggers that everything they post doesn't have an ulterior motive. Personally I follow very few bloggers and I'm looking forward to the regulations that come in to be used, I see some bloggers do declare on their posts to be fair & they do always mention if they got something for free. I don't believe in reviews after one use or being rude to followers, that was uncalled for. Xpose and those that feature on it get paid to feature products and no question about it, someone on snapchat just because they're rude and 'honest' about certain things can fly under the radar when it comes to paid endorsements yet makes no declaration, and then guys that are 'funny' on snapchat also fly under the radar when they show products that are 'amazing'. Open your eyes to the online influencers and not just the full time bloggers (who yes some have lost the run of themselves particularly one that shot to success this year & has done some less than tasteful things) but by a certain soon to be freelancer that brought light to this post did so because she has been seen in a positive light here when realistically she is the one that will rake in all the paid endorsements once she poisons everyone's minds against bloggers because it shines the light away from her. I'm genuinely surprised no one has pointed this out in this post, clearly she's very clever. At least with bloggers you know they more than likely at least got free product & they have a website where they can post a declaration / disclaimer. These non bloggers / journalists / online influencers don't, and seems to have everyone here fooled.

Unnecessary.

onthemitch

JaneEyresque wrote: »

But Rosemary, youre whole point is that people are getting things for free and not disclosing them. I didn't see you disclose it once that you stayed their for free. Surely people had a right to know. Especially when everyone here is giving out mainly the fact bloggers get stuff for free and don't disclose. Pot, Kettle.

I'm not sure what you mean by my "whole point" – I haven't been involved in this thread until now (although clearly mad lurky), and when I spoke on Snapchat about it I was highlighting the fact that money is exchanging hands – people are paid to endorse products on Snapchat, often into four figures – and that this should be fully disclosed to viewers. I couldn't give a toss whether or not people are disclosing their freebies tbh – although I do wish they'd stop opening them up on camera, because I think it's vulgar.

ameliams

JaneEyresque wrote: »

But Rosemary, youre whole point is that people are getting things for free and not disclosing them. I didn't see you disclose it once that you stayed their for free. Surely people had a right to know. Especially when everyone here is giving out mainly the fact bloggers get stuff for free and don't disclose. Pot, Kettle.

Actually I think, maybe I'm wrong, people don't really care about free stuff. It's direct payment to say something specific about product/service/goods etc.
Now that Rosemary has responded I can assume that's who you were talking about but I wasn't sure.
But I don't really think people have an issue with freebies, they come with certain jobs, mine certainly does. You can't pay rent with a night in a hotel though.

JaneEyresque

I 100% agree they should declare when they're receiving any funds, 4 figures or even less, but if you read this post people also have issue with getting free hotel stays, free food in restaurants, free laser hair removal and free products, not just money exchange. And are painting you and a few others in a positive light because you 'don't get stuff for free' when you all very much so do.

They want people to declare all, not just payment. And you amongst others can get away with not declaring anything because the spotlight isn't on you its on them.

Anyways this wasn't a targeted post at you, but all 'online influencers' that seem to be getting away Scott free from all this negative attention.

Taboola

JaneEyresque wrote: »

I 100% agree they should declare when they're receiving any funds, 4 figures or even less, but if you read this post people also have issue with getting free hotel stays, free food in restaurants, free laser hair removal and free products, not just money exchange. And are painting you and a few others in a positive light because you 'don't get stuff for free' when you all very much so do.

They want people to declare all, not just payment. And you amongst others can get away with not declaring anything because the spotlight isn't on you its on them.

Anyways this wasn't a targeted post at you, but all 'online influencers' that seem to be getting away Scott free from all this negative attention.

If you think the "higher ups" are promoting laser treatment because they are getting it for free you are sadly mistaken. They are paid to promote it. I think there's a huge difference between getting things for free and getting paid to say you like something. I think that's what get most peoples backs up. Getting things for free are the perks of some jobs but getting paid to get laser hair removal, clear braces, and a buggy and then declaring your love for them is deceiving.

JaneEyresque

ameliams wrote: »

Actually I think, maybe I'm wrong, people don't really care about free stuff. It's direct payment to say something specific about product/service/goods etc.
Now that Rosemary has responded I can assume that's who you were talking about but I wasn't sure.
But I don't really think people have an issue with freebies, they come with certain jobs, mine certainly does. You can't pay rent with a night in a hotel though.

Well that's a convenient turn around of opinion, there's very few bloggers that I can see making any money from blogging so really then this whole thread is about a handful of full time bloggers and not the smaller/part time bloggers that only seem to get a free lipstick or something. Yet they all seem to be getting a bad name.

My point of this post is to highlight that it's not just these handful of Full time bloggers that get paid to endorse, there's plenty more that don't have a blog. And some that get plenty more for free than just a lipstick!

JaneEyresque

Taboola wrote: »

If you think the "higher ups" are promoting laser treatment because they are getting it for free you are sadly mistaken. They are paid to promote it. I think there's a huge difference between getting things for free and getting paid to say you like something.

How do you know they are getting paid? Isn't the treatment worth around €1k? I know for a fact at least one of them is certainly not getting any payment. I believe they are getting a treatment worth a pretty penny for a few mentions from each. Which has been pretty affective to be fair because it's all anyone is going on about!

Taboola

JaneEyresque wrote: »

How do you know they are getting paid? Isn't the treatment worth around €1k? I know for a fact at least one of them is certainly not getting any payment. I believe they are getting a treatment worth a pretty penny for a few mentions from each. Which has been pretty affective to be fair because it's all anyone is going on about!

You know for a fact one of them isn't getting paid? Well they are being screwed over because I know for a fact one of them got a fairly high payout for getting something done to their teeth.

I've a feeling you could be one of these bloggers. It's very odd that you'd join up just to bash Rosemary. Maybe you're the blogger that this thing blew up over.

JaneEyresque

Taboola wrote: »

You know for a fact one of them isn't getting paid? Well they are being screwed over because I know for a fact one of them got a fairly high payout for getting something done to their teeth.

How is laser hair removal the same as a payout for teeth? I was nosey and asked one of the bloggers on snapchat about the hair removal and she told me that she was getting free treatment for a set amount of mentions and that's it. I can't comment on whoever is being paid for the teeth thing as I didn't ask.

I don't believe in anyone endorsing something for payment if they wouldn't endorse it for free otherwise, be issue that's decieving. But do what I do and unfollow those you believe to be like that, why follow someone you don't trust? I don't.

meeeeh

JaneEyresque wrote: »

But Rosemary, youre whole point is that people are getting things for free and not disclosing them. I didn't see you disclose it once that you stayed their for free. Surely people had a right to know. Especially when everyone here is giving out mainly the fact bloggers get stuff for free and don't disclose. Pot, Kettle.

Actually if you read the guidelines she doesn't need to disclose freebies, at least I understand that nondisclosure of free samples extends to services.

Anyway I am pretty sure anyone with three brain cells understands that journalists do get stuff for free, either to keep or to test. Travel journalism would be otherwise unsustainable for example. And are you suggesting that motor journalists should buy a car to test.

That being said I don't know what makes a fashion journo an expert on hotels.

JaneEyresque

Taboola wrote: »

You know for a fact one of them isn't getting paid? Well they are being screwed over because I know for a fact one of them got a fairly high payout for getting something done to their teeth.

I've a feeling you could be one of these bloggers. It's very odd that you'd join up just to bash Rosemary. Maybe you're the blogger that this thing blew up over.

Just because I post an independent comment on both bloggers and online influencers (where I actually negatively posted about a few bloggers without naming names) means I'm said blogger? I also didn't bash anyone, I merely pointed out that there's more than bloggers that are fooling us with paid endorsements and free products. So to wake up & spend less time on the blogger bashing.

I follow a handful of bloggers and only the ones I trust that are genuine.

waterfordgirl

I'm going to pop up with my two cents now. I follow (and have unfollowed!) a good few bloggers on snapchat at this stage and can identify nearly all of them from your comments. I think it can be quite obvious when things are paid once youre clued in.

This whole thread blew up after a mention of a face cream that a blogger had only used once - totally agree this is not credible and blatant advertising for that company.

However, bringing Rosemarys hotel stay into it is something very different. I just assumed she didnt pay as she was down in Cork for an event - they would have paid. She did snapchat though - and rather than gush about the Kingsley, she showed the room, the food, the lobby etc. To my mind, the videos and pics gave enough information to the follower for them to make up their own mind on whether it is a place worth staying in and THAT in my opinion is where the line is. Rosemary didnt cross it... however the girl with the cream did.

Im not one to rant like this usually so hope the above makes sense!

JaneEyresque

But surely people deserved to know she stayed there for free the same way people want to know if a product that's gushed about is free or not? A blogger posts a pic of her food and her menu and didn't force her opinion on the restaurant at all yet she's the one deemed dishonest because she didn't disclose that she got the food for free. And hers was only 3 snaps versus the entire hotel tour and all its brilliance we got elsewhere. It seems one rule for one and one for the rest. It's absolutely madness. All should be treated equal. Bloggers & Online influencers alike. Anyways I'm done giving my own 2 cents. I just find this entire post unfortunate, & was just trying to open your eyes to the online world around you. Trust your gut when it comes to them all, and realise that some are much sneakier than others just because they don't have the title of a blogger. I've unfollowed most bloggers over the course of the last 6 months, and lately have only opened my eyes to the online influencers. I'll continue to follow the few that a believe to be trustworthy, and as soon as I suspect otherwise then I'll stop following & move on. Simple. Night folks.

Jbosssie1

JaneEyresque wrote: »

But surely people deserved to know she stayed there for free the same way people want to know if a product that's gushed about is free or not? A blogger posts a pic of her food and her menu and didn't force her opinion on the restaurant at all yet she's the one deemed dishonest because she didn't disclose that she got the food for free. And hers was only 3 snaps versus the entire hotel tour and all its brilliance we got elsewhere. It seems one rule for one and one for the rest. It's absolutely madness. All should be treated equal. Bloggers & Online influencers alike. Anyways I'm done giving my own 2 cents. I just find this entire post unfortunate, & was just trying to open your eyes to the online world around you. Trust your gut when it comes to them all, and realise that some are much sneakier than others just because they don't have the title of a blogger. I've unfollowed most bloggers over the course of the last 6 months, and lately have only opened my eyes to the online influencers. I'll continue to follow the few that a believe to be trustworthy, and as soon as I suspect otherwise then I'll stop following & move on. Simple. Night folks.

One of the top bloggers who gets invited to these nice restaurants and puts the odd pic up for the menu doesn't just get a free meal for her and her fiancé she gets paid also for those snapchat pics and there's where the problem lies not the freebie the payment when money is exchanged then its promotion only the viewer is oblivious and the majority of people think it's the opinion of the blogger and take their word as honesty I use the term blogger loosely as these particular girls don't update there blogs half as much as the smaller bloggers who work hard on their blogs and give honest reviews which is why they don't get recognised as much they would rather have integrity than say everything is great for a payment

retro:electro

Since the arrival of snapchat blogs and YouTube content have taken a big hit. Bloggers like Rosie and Pippa had kind of toyed with YouTube for a bit but totally abandoned it the minute snapchat came along. I actually liked Pippa's YouTube videos. I'm sure it's way handier for them to make money through snapchat, 10 second video, no editing, no light fixtures or sound equipment needed.. Just pop your mention up for ten seconds and after 24 hrs it's gone into oblivion. It's crazy really.