Shooting in California

youreadthat

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I think they (USA) don't want to acknowledge that this is an example of domestic terrorism, as opposed to "foreign" attackers. As indeed Timothy McVeigh was.
Much easier to control people's emotions if the feel they are being attacked by "outside" forces. Not so easy if the terrorist is a Municipal restaurant inspector from down the street.

His wife's Pakistani..

Nekarsulm

youreadthat wrote: »

His wife's Pakistani..

Correct, but he is American.

kettlehead

ceadaoin. wrote: »

How would border control have helped? The guy was US born and raised

The wife came over on a K1 visa.

The woman who helped kill 14 people at a holiday party in San Bernardino on Wednesday arrived in the United States last year on a special visa reserved for the fiancés of U.S. citizens.

Tashfeen Malik, who was born in Pakistan, gained legal permanent resident status last year after she married Syed Rizwan Farook, her co-conspirator in Wednesday’s deadly shooting.

The attack has brought new attention to the previously obscure K1 visa program, with some advocates for stricter immigration enforcement calling for investigations into the nation’s visa screening process and calling for the U.S. to halt its Syrian refugees program.


“New information coming to light regarding Tashfeen Malik’s citizenship reaffirms the fact that proper screening and vetting those coming into our country, whether with a visa or as a refugee, is not always possible,” said Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates for stricter immigration laws.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-tashfeen-malik-20151203-story.html

Amazingfun

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I had forgotten Trump said that. How anyone thinks this guy is serious candidate for president is beyond me. It's like he is just trolling everyone at this stage..

No,Trump NEVER said "badges for muslims", lol....he spoke of a database, which in this case would have been very helpful.

The Randy Riverbeast

Amazingfun wrote: »

No,Trump NEVER said "badges for muslims", lol....he spoke of a database, which in this case would have been very helpful.

Yeah, nobody will commit acts of terrorism if they are in a database.

Amazingfun

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Yeah, nobody will commit acts of terrorism if they are in a database.

Cute, except they may have been better able to coordinate law enforcement efforts had they been tracked.

Anyways: these are the reasons Trump is dominating every poll and will , inshallah, be President

The Randy Riverbeast

Amazingfun wrote: »

Cute, except they may have been better able to coordinate law enforcement efforts had they been tracked.

Anyways: these are the reasons Trump is dominating every poll and will , inshallah, be President

So you agree it wouldnt have stopped it.

Amazingfun

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

So you agree it wouldnt have stopped it.

No, I didn't say anything of the sort, because no one knows the effect such action would have.......yet. And that includes you.

ceadaoin.

Amazingfun wrote: »

Cute, except they may have been better able to coordinate law enforcement efforts had they been tracked.

Anyways: these are the reasons Trump is dominating every poll and will , inshallah, be President

His name was mentioned very early on in the investigation. Practically as soon as the shooting occurred his name was heard multiple times on the police scanners and posted online. The police were able to trace him fairly quickly, he was caught going back too his house where the police were already waiting.

Seems well co-ordinated to me. Obviously the database they already have works pretty well

My name is URL

Amazingfun wrote: »

Anyways: these are the reasons Trump is dominating every poll and will , inshallah, be President

He's certainly popular amongst idiots. The US has no shortage of those

Do you also agree with Trump's suggestion and plan to kill family members of suspected ISIS operatives?

Cute, except they may have been better able to coordinate law enforcement efforts had they been tracked.

You are just clueless. The guy openly supported ISIS on his social media pages, and despite the billions spent on intel every year by US agencies, they failed to identify him as a threat. How would a database of muslims change that?

Billy86

Amazingfun wrote: »

Anyways: these are the reasons Trump is dominating every poll

Hate to break it to you, but he's really not - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Amazingfun

ceadaoin. wrote: »

His name was mentioned very early on in the investigation. Practically as soon as the shooting occurred his name was heard multiple times on the police scanners and posted online. The police were able to trace him fairly quickly, he was caught going back too his house where the police were already waiting.

Seems well co-ordinated to me. Obviously the database they already have works pretty well

Care to retract your supposed "memory" of Trump and the "badges" for Muslims?

The Randy Riverbeast

Amazingfun wrote: »

No, I didn't say anything of the sort, because no one knows the effect such action would have.......yet. And that includes you.

Waste money on a database that might not even help. Great idea.

No explanation on how a database would even help.

Amazingfun

My name is URL wrote: »

He's certainly popular amongst idiots. The US has no shortage of those

Do you also agree with Trump's suggestion and plan to kill family members of suspected ISIS operatives?



You are just clueless. The guy openly supported ISIS on his social media pages, and despite the billions spent on intel every year by US agencies, they failed to identify him as a threat. How would a database of muslims change that?

Yes, and you're clearly a genius, lol.

As for the results of such a database, I guess we'll find out when President Trump takes office

My name is URL

Amazingfun wrote: »

Yes, and you're clearly a genius, lol.

As for the results of such a database, I guess we'll find out when President Trump takes office

Keep telling your deluded and paranoid self that

You can't even answer a direct question. Pathetic

How would a database help? You're the one extolling the virtues of the idea so explain how it'd help

And do you agree with Trump's idea to kill family members of suspected ISIS operatives?

ceadaoin.

Amazingfun wrote: »

Care to retract your supposed "memory" of Trump and the "badges" for Muslims?

Seems to me a database would just be modern version of a yellow badge, but yes I retract it.

Care to comment on the fact that these two were traced pretty quickly after the event. How would a separate database have helped? Unless they regularly inspect the premises of Muslims on it or insert tracking chips under their skin, which I think everyone would agree is not going to or should happen, then I don't see the point. Wouldn't put it past Trump to suggest those things though. Anything for headlines.

Are you American or live in America? If not I really don't understand your fervent trump support considering it will have no impact on you whatsoever

Amazingfun

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Seems to me a database would just be modern version of a yellow badge, but yes I retract it.

Care to comment on the fact that these two were traced pretty quickly after the event. How would a separate database have helped? Unless they regularly inspect the premises of Muslims on it or insert tracking chips under their skin, which I think everyone would agree is not going to or should happen, then I don't see the point. Wouldn't put it past Trump to suggest those things though. Anything for headlines.

Are you American or live in America? If not I really don't understand your fervent trump support considering it will have no impact on you whatsoever

1. Good for you on the retraction.

2. How do I know how a separate database would help? I am not law enforcement and I am sure there is more detail on this proposal to come, perhaps one the is more efficient and replaces existing structures.

3. No and no, but I can ask you and the many anti-Trumpers on this thread the same thing as to why you are so against him? I love him, for a multitude of reasons.

**It has been noted elsewhere that Trump's anti TPP stance is in fact very good for Ireland, btw

Billy86

Amazingfun wrote: »

Care to retract your supposed "memory" of Trump and the "badges" for Muslims?

Care to retract your comment that Trump is dominating the presidential polls? :pac:

My name is URL

Amazingfun wrote: »

**It has been noted elsewhere that Trump's anti TPP stance is in fact very good for Ireland, btw

Why would his position on the Trans-Pacific Partnership have any bearing on Ireland?

Amazingfun

Billy86 wrote: »

Care to retract your comment that Trump is dominating the presidential polls? :pac:

No, because he is. He is the front-runner among the Republicans and in the Fox poll this week was 5 points ahead of Hillary

How's your study of the crime stats coming along, you dropped it very quick

Amazingfun

My name is URL wrote: »

Why would his position on the Trans-Pacific Partnership have any bearing on Ireland?

Go and find out. This is the "Shooting in California" thread.

Galwayguy35

I don't think it's such a mad thing to say that Trump could win the republican nomination, Carson is nearest to him and he is pretty hopeless in comparison.

Americans don't want to take in Syrians and him saying he will sent them all back is always going to win him votes.

My name is URL

Amazingfun wrote: »

Go and find out. This is the "Shooting in California" thread.

You're the one that brought it up.

Funny how you get pissy whenever anyone questions something you yourself have said on the thread

Ireland has nothing to do with the TPP, so how would his position on it affect us?

Are you confusing it with TTIP? Confusion seems to be a theme in your posts

The Randy Riverbeast

Amazingfun wrote: »

No, because he is. He is the front-runner among the Republicans and in the Fox poll this week was 5 points ahead of Hillary

How's your study of the crime stats coming along, you dropped it very quick

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#polls

Republican winning in Fox poll shocker.

Anachrony

Billy86 wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but he's really not - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

The only polls he's dominating are for the Republican primary, but a big part of that is that there are around 300 Republican candidates this year, so the slightly less crazy vote is pretty watered down. He has a solid plurality, but no majority. Once it narrows down to fewer candidates, the remaining candidates pick up supporters from former candidates. None of them will endorse Trump, so it will be everyone but Trump who makes gains at that point. The majority don't support Trump now, and they will continue supporting a non-Trump.

Amazingfun

My name is URL wrote: »

You're the one that brought it up.

Funny how you get pissy whenever anyone questions something you yourself have said on the thread

Ireland has nothing to do with the TPP, so how would his position on it affect us?

Are you confusing it with TTIP? Confusion seems to be a theme in your posts

You have used "idiots" "clueless" and regularly post in the pissiest of ways possible so what are you on about? :pac:

él statutorio

Anachrony wrote: »

The only polls he's dominating are for the Republican primary, but a big part of that is that there are around 300 Republican candidates this year, so the slightly less crazy vote is pretty watered down. He has a solid plurality, but no majority. Once it narrows down to fewer candidates, the remaining candidates pick up supporters from former candidates. None of them will endorse Trump, so it will be everyone but Trump who makes gains at that point. The majority don't support Trump now, and they will continue supporting a non-Trump.

He's doing fantastically well to be fair to him. Plus, I find him tremendously entertaining! I'm surprised he actually lasted this long.

Oh look, we're neighbours!

RobertKK

So the female terrorist had pledged her allegiance to ISIS online.

Amazingfun

Friday night smiles:

CNN poll just in:

Donald Trump is once again alone at the top of the Republican field, according to the latest CNN/ORC Poll, with 36% of registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents behind him, while his nearest competitor trails by 20 points.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc-national/

Billy86

Amazingfun wrote: »

No, because he is. He is the front-runner among the Republicans and in the Fox poll this week was 5 points ahead of Hillary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Verified polls: Clinton 16, Trump 1.
Individuals polls from Oct 28 - present: Clinton 28, Sanders 10, Carson 8, Rubio 6, Trump 5.

He's not even in the top two in his own party ffs, come back to reality would you! :pac:

How's your study of the crime stats coming along, you dropped it very quick

Actually, I went to sleep. Until you can source all the data for every state, then you cannot talk about the US as whole. You clearly have no interest in doing that despite claiming that you would, and have no interest in talking about the reasons why minorities might be more likely to face crime and poverty. All you seem interested in there is proclaiming some weird concept of the inherent superiority of the white man over others. Frankly, I'm not remotely interested in that discussion but I can direct you to where you can find others who would be.

take everything

Looks like a circus at the perpetrators' house.
Media and ordinary joes walking through the house.

Red King

How convenient for Obama

Billy86

Anachrony wrote: »

The only polls he's dominating are for the Republican primary, but a big part of that is that there are around 300 Republican candidates this year, so the slightly less crazy vote is pretty watered down. He has a solid plurality, but no majority. Once it narrows down to fewer candidates, the remaining candidates pick up supporters from former candidates. None of them will endorse Trump, so it will be everyone but Trump who makes gains at that point. The majority don't support Trump now, and they will continue supporting a non-Trump.

It's funny that they didn't seem to learn from the last two election cycles - the race for the Republican nomination is a race to see who can get the most right-wing extremist, and then after that they need to get back to the center to stand a chance of winning the election itself. Basically, by design they leave themselves with the worst possible chance of winning that they could.

Billy86

Red King wrote: »

How convenient for Obama

How is this in any way convenient for him?

Red King

Billy86 wrote: »

How is this in any way convenient for him?

Think about it

Orangebrigade

Billy86 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Verified polls: Clinton 16, Trump 1.
Individuals polls from Oct 28 - present: Clinton 28, Sanders 10, Carson 8, Rubio 6, Trump 5.

He's not even in the top two in his own party ffs, come back to reality would you! :pac:


Actually, I went to sleep. Until you can source all the data for every state, then you cannot talk about the US as whole. You clearly have no interest in doing that despite claiming that you would, and have no interest in talking about the reasons why minorities might be more likely to face crime and poverty. All you seem interested in there is proclaiming some weird concept of the inherent superiority of the white man over others. Frankly, I'm not remotely interested in that discussion but I can direct you to where you can find others who would be.

Trump stands a great chance of becoming the candidate to be President. The Southerners will vote for him. The Yankees won't.

Billy86

Red King wrote: »

Think about it

I have, now tell me why.

Billy86

Orangebrigade wrote: »

Trump stands a great chance of becoming the candidate to be President. The Southerners will vote for him. The Yankees won't.

Possibly of winning the primaries, though I wouldn't count on it myself because if he did win the primaries he would be absolutely slaughtered in the election itself, and the higher ups in the GOP are surely well aware of that. I would imagine many voters do as well, and while the Republican voter is not the world's smartest person, I am guessing enough will see that too.

Wompa1

One of my American friends over here just shared something on Facebook that stated "Guns are not responsible for the San Bernadino Shooting. Muslims are"

And it's got a picture of the suspects brother...the decorated veteran. Oh, Arizona. It's a dry hate.

RobertKK

ISIS have said that the attack was done by supporters of ISIS.

strelok

msnbc and cnn reporters made their way into the suspects apartment and had a mosy around, live on air. there's 17 minutes of footage, that was apparently shown live, of them just wandering about the apartment rifling through photographs and looking at photo id's

oh, and the police weren't done with their investigation yet so the crime scene is most likely insanely compromised

BattleCorp

strelok wrote: »

msnbc and cnn reporters made their way into the suspects apartment and had a mosy around, live on air. there's 17 minutes of footage, that was apparently shown live, of them just wandering about the apartment rifling through photographs and looking at photo id's

oh, and the police weren't done with their investigation yet so the crime scene is most likely insanely compromised

I doubt it will affect the couple though, seeing as they are em ............ dead n stuff.

ceadaoin.

strelok wrote: »

msnbc and cnn reporters made their way into the suspects apartment and had a mosy around, live on air. there's 17 minutes of footage, that was apparently shown live, of them just wandering about the apartment rifling through photographs and looking at photo id's

oh, and the police weren't done with their investigation yet so the crime scene is most likely insanely compromised

WTF this is just bizarre. Would they not have had people guarding the place? How could this happen? Seems like there's a lot of potential evidence still there which has now been tampered with

Billy86

strelok wrote: »

msnbc and cnn reporters made their way into the suspects apartment and had a mosy around, live on air. there's 17 minutes of footage, that was apparently shown live, of them just wandering about the apartment rifling through photographs and looking at photo id's

oh, and the police weren't done with their investigation yet so the crime scene is most likely insanely compromised

Not going to happen of course, but I would love to see some people face charges for this. Recklessly idiotic and irresponsible carry on.

RobertKK

FBI said they were finished investigating at the terrorists home, so they didn't care that the media was going through a boarded up house.

Eugene Norman

RobertKK wrote: »

So the female terrorist had pledged her allegiance to ISIS online.

Anybody could do that of course.

RobertKK

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Anybody could do that of course.

Anyone can, it was on Facebook that she declared her allegiance. It was said on CNN that ISIS are happy to give membership posthumously if people carry out terrorism in their name.

It was the landlord who let the media into the house.

MadsL

RobertKK wrote: »

It was the landlord who let the media into the house.

Ker*ching!

asherbassad

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Waste money on a database that might not even help. Great idea.

No explanation on how a database would even help.

But it's not a waste of money.
The nephew of the wife of some Congressman has a company. He purchases a server for 5 grand and loads MS Excel onto it. He then charges the US Government $1 million for this piece of crap and an ongoing support and supply contract of $50,000 a month to have his friend's two teenage sons enter in bullcrap names that they cut and paste from an online phone book.

The program is named some retarded acronym that sounds like a reptile or scary animal, e.g. Strategic Harnessing and Analysis of Reconnaisance Knowledge (S.H.A.R.K.)

Then the taxpayer pays for this pile of shit.

Profit for the company boy.

hatrickpatrick

asherbassad wrote: »

But it's not a waste of money.
The nephew of the wife of some Congressman has a company. He purchases a server for 5 grand and loads MS Excel onto it. He then charges the US Government $1 million for this piece of crap and an ongoing support and supply contract of $50,000 a month to have his friend's two teenage sons enter in bullcrap names that they cut and paste from an online phone book.

The program is named some retarded acronym that sounds like a reptile or scary animal, e.g. Strategic Harnessing and Analysis of Reconnaisance Knowledge (S.H.A.R.K.)

Then the taxpayer pays for this pile of shit.

Profit for the company boy.

I think you're getting confused. This thread is about a mass shooting in America, not Irish Water. :pac: