Shooting in California

darkpagandeath

él statutorio wrote: »

Not to my knowledge, I believe all private sales have to go via a firearms dealer.

So technically I can sell you a gun but a dealer has to do the paperwork.

Yeah thought so, You mean like those big gun shows and alike is kinda a loophole.

Diamond Doll

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Sure you can keep us updated here ... I hate Reddit!

That's what I've been doing. :pac: Assuming there's people that don't want to get involved in the typical gun control conversations here, but want to keep up to date with what's happening.

Police now reporting suspects had AK-47 style weapons.

And Department of Homeland Security seemingly circling above.

whatawaster81

Obvious Muslims are obvious.

Whosthis

Department of Homeland Security is circling the scene. Thats from the reddit thread, there's an image attached of a planes flight path. Would that be quite significant? As in, would they be involved if it was a domestic threat?

RobertKK

Suspicious package found at scene, unknown at the moment if it is an explosive device.

RobertKK

ABC news in the US are speculating it was an ISIS attack.

darkpagandeath

Whosthis wrote: »

Department of Homeland Security is circling the scene. Thats from the reddit thread, there's an image attached of a planes flight path. Would that be quite significant? As in, would they be involved if it was a domestic threat?

Well is a kind of scary though if this is a terror attack, More ratcheting up of homeland security more pulling down on civil liberties.

RobertKK

CNN have a guest speculating it is an anti-government US militia group who are responsible.

No one knows.

Manic Moran

Whosthis wrote: »

Department of Homeland Security is circling the scene. Thats from the reddit thread, there's an image attached of a planes flight path. Would that be quite significant? As in, would they be involved if it was a domestic threat?

Probably. After all, 'homeland security' does rather have an internal/domestic focus. San Bernadino isn't too far from the border, it is not unreasonable to expect that DHS would have air assets in the area. (CBP are part of DHS)

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Suspicious package found at scene, unknown at the moment if it is an explosive device.

Seemingly multiple explosive devices. It was reported that a robot was dealing with an IED a little earlier.

Also there's nothing to suspect that Muslims or ISIS are involved.

él statutorio

RobertKK wrote: »

ABC news in the US are speculating it was an ISIS attack.

FFS, this place will freak out just at the thought of that.

It's probably a bunch of disgruntled white guys.

Whosthis

RobertKK wrote: »

ABC news in the US are speculating it was an ISIS attack.

There was a suspects name mentioned on the scanner earlier, it didn't sound like the name of a WASP.

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

Seemingly multiple explosive devices. It was reported that a robot was dealing with an IED a little earlier.

Also there's nothing to suspect that Muslims or ISIS are involved.

Could just be the run of the mill CT guys anti big Government. I would wager CT sites are going mad at the moment with false flag and all that.

RobertKK

I see on the live reddit link:

CORRECTION: A witness at Roberts Elementary reported a camouflaged middle-eastern man with a beard wearing a headset at the Waterman Discount Mall - possibly armed.

Custardpi

RobertKK wrote: »

ABC news in the US are speculating it was an ISIS attack.

It'd be a bit strange if it was. Doesn't really seem to fit them. There's nothing particularly important about the target & nothing going on there that conservative Muslims would regard as haram as far as I can gather. It's a centre for mentally disabled people ffs. The news are saying that the centre was hosting "an event" at the time of the shooting but haven't specified what that was about. Could that have been the target, was it on a controversial topic?

Jinonatron

I would just like to point out this to those who will inevitably bash America's gun policy and call for gun control.

France was a gun free zone 3 weeks ago during the attacks. Food for thought.

RobertKK

Custardpi wrote: »

It'd be a bit strange if it was. Doesn't really seem to fit them. There's nothing particularly important about the target & nothing going on there that conservative Muslims would regard as haram as far as I can gather. It's a centre for mentally disabled people ffs. The news are saying that the centre was hosting "an event" at the time of the shooting but haven't specified what that was about. Could that have been the target, was it on a controversial topic?

It depends who the attackers are. If they were ISIS for example, well they kill who they can.

ceadaoin.

A mall is being evacuated with reports of an armed individual inside

darkpagandeath

Custardpi wrote: »

It'd be a bit strange if it was. Doesn't really seem to fit them. There's nothing particularly important about the target & nothing going on there that conservative Muslims would regard as haram as far as I can gather. It's a centre for mentally disabled people ffs. The news are saying that the centre was hosting "an event" at the time of the shooting but haven't specified what that was about. Could that have been the target, was it on a controversial topic?

Not saying it it's ISIL but their modus operandi is to shoot as many as possible and not necessarily military targets more civilians the better in their eyes. Seems odd this seems to be about a conference event. You would have thought It would be all over the media what was going on inside or who was running the event ?

Happyman42

Looking at that Reddit thread, might not have been a great decision to go out and about in your army surplus gear today.

captbarnacles

Jinonatron wrote: »

I would just like to point out this to those who will inevitably bash America's gun policy and call for gun control.

France was a gun free zone 3 weeks ago during the attacks. Food for thought.

It is? laws restricting gun ownership doesn't mean zero gun crime? Anyone ever arguing differently?

bilston

This feels different to the sadly all too familiar mass shooting in the US, but it does seem an unusual target for Daesh so I wouldn't be jumping to that conclusion yet.

darkpagandeath

Jinonatron wrote: »

I would just like to point out this to those who will inevitably bash America's gun policy and call for gun control.

France was a gun free zone 3 weeks ago during the attacks. Food for thought.

Not really does France have a problem with mass shootings ?

Custardpi

Jinonatron wrote: »

I would just like to point out this to those who will inevitably bash America's gun policy and call for gun control.

France was a gun free zone 3 weeks ago during the attacks. Food for thought.

No gun control regime can ever be perfect & no advocate of it would ever claim that possibility. Gun violence in the US however, whether for personal, political or gang related reasons is out of control however when compared to other countries. There has to be a way to reconcile 2nd amendment rights with the protection of the public. California does have stricter laws but how difficult is it to simply obtain weapons in a laxer state & transport them there?

La Fenetre

Jinonatron wrote: »

I would just like to point out this to those who will inevitably bash America's gun policy and call for gun control.

France was a gun free zone 3 weeks ago during the attacks. Food for thought.

If only some other heavily armed members of the public were there to save the day. The American and French public needs more access to weapons for these street fights. :rolleyes:
If only I could walk around everywhere needing to carry a gun, and have my gun with me at all times so I can stroke it when the desire arises, then finally I'd feel like a grown up in a civilized society. :rolleyes:

strelok

La Fenetre wrote: »

If only some other heavily armed members of the public were there to save the day. The American and French public needs more access to weapons for these street fights. :rolleyes:

california restricts the ability of its citizens to bear arms in public

SEPT 23 1989

What event was being held in the centre?

Custardpi

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Not saying it it's ISIL but their modus operandi is to shoot as many as possible and not necessarily military targets more civilians the better in their eyes. Seems odd this seems to be about a conference event. You would have thought It would be all over the media what was going on inside or who was running the event ?

The Bataclan was targeted because it was a venue where the sexes mixed & people danced - both activities considered extremely sinful by Salafists. Obviously the fact that it held a large amount of people & was difficult to escape from would have been a factor but there was definitely a religious/political motivation for that particular type of building.

In the case of San Bernardino I'd be surprised if there wasn't plenty of other venues in the area where large amounts of civilians could be found. If it was politically motivated it must have been targeted though it could perhaps be a mistake by people intending to attack the Planned Parenthood building.

Flightradar24 now showing an FBI plane flying overhead. Homeland Security and them have now been seen in the air.

The place attacked was seemingly a centre/hospital dealing with people that have developmental disabilities.

darkpagandeath

strelok wrote: »

california restricts the ability of its citizens to bear arms in public

Colorado has open carry does it not ? Did not stop that guy shooting up the cinema.

strelok

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Colorado has open carry does it not ? Did not stop that guy shooting up the cinema.

afaik that branch of cinemas banned guns on its property

So why did the killer pick the Cinemark theater? You might think that it was the one closest to the killer’s apartment. Or, that it was the one with the largest audience.

Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned. In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.

Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater.html

SEPT 23 1989

Strange the lack of information getting out

La Fenetre

strelok wrote: »

california restricts the ability of its citizens to bear arms in public

There you go then, if only members of public were allowed to walk around with guns in case a fight breaks out, just think how many lives would be saved ?

SEPT 23 1989

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Strange the lack of information getting out

Not really that strange. It is an active situation, where the shooters could be monitoring feeds/online discussions/social media, so it's better to keep information to a minimum.

Seemingly mall shooting is unrelated and was a parole violator.

SEPT 23 1989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not really that strange. It is an active situation, where the shooters could be monitoring feeds/online discussions/social media, so it's better to keep information to a minimum.

Happened three hours ago is that correct these us shootings are usually done and dusted suspects dead and and news conference in the hour

Herb Powell

Jinonatron wrote: »

I would just like to point out this to those who will inevitably bash America's gun policy and call for gun control.

France was a gun free zone 3 weeks ago during the attacks. Food for thought.

The mental equivalent of a fuccking happy meal in fairness when you consider how many mass shootings have occurred this year (this WEEK, even) in the USA vs the same in France.

Cop on.

from_atozinc

Watchin Fox News here. The presenter is some pain in the hole.

ceadaoin.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

What event was being held in the centre?

Ive read it was a Christmas party for county health employees, but don't know how accurate that is

SEPT 23 1989

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Happened three hours ago is that correct these us shootings are usually done and dusted suspects dead and and news conference in the hour

News conference starting shortly.

12 confirmed dead.

ancapailldorcha

Thread title changed.

darkpagandeath

Herb Powell wrote: »

The mental equivalent of a fuccking happy meal in fairness when you consider how many mass shootings have occurred this year (this WEEK, even) in the USA vs the same in France.

Cop on.

Its a deep seated cultural issue, Sure the police in America this year have probably shot and killed more people than the entire EU police forces have done in the last what 10 years ?

Obama: People on no fly list can buy a firearm, nothing we can do to stop it.

RobertKK

12 people confirmed dead it seems.

For newcomers to the thread - Reddit Live thread for those interested. It is a newsfeed updated with real time notifications.

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

Obama: People on no fly list can buy a firearm, nothing we can do to stop it.

Hang on. People who are a threat and identified by authorities can still buy guns ?

Hazys

13:50 Police request again for golf officials to CLEAR THE COURSE. Golfers are still on the course adjacent to the incident.

This is the 2nd time, WTF is wrong with people?

Seemingly golfers on a nearby course, adjacent to the first incident, are refusing to finish their games despite multiple orders from authorities.

rizzodun

News conference live now, on Euro News

Reckless Abandonment

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seemingly golfers on a nearby course, adjacent to the first incident, are refusing to finish their games despite multiple orders from authorities.

Maybe with a few hundred cops about they feel safe enough.

White male being reported in military fatigues by train tracks.