Shooting in California

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

This is why the whole "Let's take back the spare ex-military armored vehicles from the police" thing that's been going on recently is stupid. People keep asking "Why does this town or that town need an armored vehicle? It's not New York or LA". The problem is that these things don't just happen in New York or LA, as this incident shows.

Well they shouldn't be regular patrol vehicles either. They need to be specific to SWAT. And besides it wasn't a BearCat in Fergusson people took gumption with, it was a somewhat larger MRAP, seen in a lot of youtube just cruising around the streets like a beat car.

InTheTrees

wil wrote: »

50 miles apparently.

Well not really.

LA and San Bernadino counties are neighbours. Remember there's the City of LA and then there's LA County.

Amazingfun

Deleted User wrote: »

Hispanic male, shaved head, orange shirt, camo pants. Police are trying to apprehend on East Briar Dr.

Guess what. Not ISIS.

How disappointing for some on this thread

InTheTrees

Until we know exactly what kind of meeting it was that was attacked its going to be hard to pin down the motive.

I heard it was some kind of local government meeting.

darkpagandeath

Drug gang operating prescription from the treatment centre ?

Police are now trying to clear parking structures. Police scanner is requesting for air support. Moving east over walls.

BonkeyDonker

Amazingfun wrote: »

How disappointing for some on this thread

And possibly a large part of certain right leaning US news channels. Their only saving grace is that they are allegedly hispanic, so while not white, not the right type of not white.

Amazingfun

Amazingfun wrote: »

How disappointing for some on this thread

And for others that he's not white

Important point- he killed 14 ppl. That may trump the colour of his skin either way.

PressRun

InTheTrees wrote: »

Until we know exactly what kind of meeting it was that was attacked its going to be hard to pin down the motive.

I heard it was some kind of local government meeting.

I read some people on Twitter mentioning militia organisations, but I don't know how reliable that would even be, to be fair.

Amazingfun

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

And possibly a large part of certain right leaning US news channels. Their only saving grace is that they are allegedly hispanic, so while not white, not the right type of not white.

what? What news channel has said anything of the sort?

130Kph

ThisRegard wrote: »

It's not LA.

It’s greater LA – 110km of urban sprawl all the way to the ocean!!

wil

InTheTrees wrote: »

Well not really.

LA and San Bernadino counties are neighbours. Remember there's the City of LA and then there's LA County.

Reporter now saying 60 miles east of LA.who am I to question.
One police officer injured, not life threatening, one suspect possibly outstanding , police don't know much - quick press briefing right now
Sheriff McMahon will hold (proper) press briefing in 40 mins.

Reddit saying that suspect has been detained.

Live feed from news helicopter

BonkeyDonker

Amazingfun wrote: »

what? What news channel has said anything of the sort?

None - but it doesnt fit the larger picture - Americans killing Americans only brings up the 2nd Amendmentd debate, while foreigners of a certain religion would be a much better story and help the rights current line of thinking.

News feed mentioning that the cops are now focusing on specific house in frame of the camera.

Amazingfun

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

None - but it doesnt fit the larger picture - Americans killing Americans only brings up the 2nd Amendmentd debate, while foreigners of a certain religion would be a much better story and help the rights current line of thinking.

Ah, none! Thanks for clearing that up.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Amazingfun wrote: »

How disappointing for some on this thread

CNN might lighten him up a bit in photos like they did to George Zimmerman.

Disgusting news channel.

beks101

PressRun wrote: »

Don't think they have, no. It seems like Europe is the focus of IS fury at the moment, rather than the US.

That's the crazy thing, it's not though. In terms of threats in their various videos and online propaganda, the US is right at the top of its hit list. They're all talks about the White House, NYC etc.

I reckon the logistics would be a bit trickier for the same sophisticated attack as Paris in the states, what with mentally tight travel restrictions between the US and the Middle East and then the big bad National Counterterrorism Center, which is probably keeping any and every potential terrorist that managed to get in well on their radar.

That said I'm sure it's just a matter of time

Confirmed that police that was shot didn't suffer life threatening injuries.

Reddit stating suspect has been detained, but nothing from live news feed from KTLA and not that I heard over the police scanner.

Newsfeed mentioned that you needed to have a security keycard to gain access to the building.

PressRun

beks101 wrote: »

That's the crazy thing, it's not though. In terms of threats in their various videos and online propaganda, the US is right at the top of its hit list. They're all talks about the White House, NYC etc.

I reckon the logistics would be a bit trickier for the same sophisticated attack as Paris in the states, what with mentally tight travel restrictions between the US and the Middle East and then the big bad National Counterterrorism Center, which is probably keeping any and every potential terrorist that managed to get in well on their radar.

That said I'm sure it's just a matter of time

I think it's more likely that another attack will happen in Europe before anything happens in the US. Europe is a much easier target for both terrorist attacks and the radicalization of young European Muslims.

If something like this happened in Europe, I would think IS. But because it's America, it just seems much more likely to be a homegrown nutjob(s) with no immediately obvious motive.

Superhorse

Hispanic gangbangers, ISIS nutjobs, lone wolf, organised crime who knows? America is so f u c ked up it's unreal. Guns are everywhere and this sort of stuff will go on and on.

Copa Mundial

Deleted User wrote: »

Live feed from news helicopter

Link makes for very interesting viewing, great find that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv-XclCLWxQ

Footage showing suspect being removed from backseat of car. Slightly graphic content - suspect either dead or heavily injured. Body can be seen falling out of car at 1:46 into video.

captbarnacles

Anyone got a link to redditl live thread?

arch_stanton

captbarnacles wrote: »

Anyone got a link to redditl live thread?

https://www.reddit.com/live/w0nn1o5hu90y?

beks101

PressRun wrote: »

If something like this happened in Europe, I would think IS. But because it's America, it just seems much more likely to be a homegrown nutjob(s) with no immediately obvious motive.

Yeah same here ordinarily. Paris I think has just created a sort of ISIS-brain in official and media circles I think. I'm even dreaming about the b@stards. :rolleyes:

Mad though isn't it, how the yanks will invest millions and trillions and gazillions of dollars to protect against the threat of attack by foreign terrorists, and yet these domestic shootings happen daily and they'll do nothing? Obama looks bloody bored at this point.

Reddit live thread --

https://www.reddit.com/live/w0nn1o5hu90y

wil

There's so many guys wandering around with guns and various paramilitary dress, you'd wonder how they'd spot someone wandering around with a gun and paramilitary gear.

I'd suspect this is local criminal rather than terrorist. Police look relatively relaxed.

Waiting for someone to say "ok then"

STB.

Copa Mundial wrote: »

Link makes for very interesting viewing, great find that.

Fox 10's Copter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mq5hrUDoYo

Guy on KTLA saying that his house was hit by a stray bullet. His family are all locked inside, but he cannot get to his family. Poor guy.

"I don't know where they're from, but I know where they'll end up, hopefully".

Niemoj

Watching that feed on YouTube now, interesting alright.

PressRun

beks101 wrote: »

Yeah same here ordinarily. Paris I think has just created a sort of ISIS-brain in official and media circles I think. I'm even dreaming about the b@stards. :rolleyes:

Mad though isn't it, how the yanks will invest millions and trillions and gazillions of dollars to protect against the threat of attack by foreign terrorists, and yet these domestic shootings happen daily and they'll do nothing? Obama looks bloody bored at this point.

I don't blame him for being bored, tbh. I'd say he's sick making the same speech over and over again, and it's all gone beyond the point of even being shocking anymore. A man shot dead a bunch of schoolchildren in their classrooms a couple of years ago and nothing changed in the aftermath of that, just a whole lot of empty hand-wringing. If that wasn't a kick up the arse for anyone, nothing will be.

Recap of events so far by ABC 7 -

http://imgur.com/CA2SyHk

Police scanner mentioning news helicopters zooming in on cops in various situations (http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/13038/web). Expect news feeds to be diverted soon, if the authorities order them to do so.

RobertKK

On CNN, one guy says it resembles middle eastern terrorism. Get in and out quickly, IEDS to slow the police down and they said they acted in a way as if they had received training.

suspects are down...

Twitter video captures audio of shootout between cops and suspects in SUV. Very close to what was heard over police scanner.

PressRun

Has some similarities to the Boston bomber search - going through the neighbourhood, shootouts, etc.

RobertKK

They were throwing pipe bombs out the window of the SUV when they were being chased.

Speculation on CNN they were planning a second attack.

RobertKK

Reddit: There is SPECULATION by the ABC7 chopper pilot that one of the dead suspects may be a female. This is unconfirmed, but he says he saw the suspect wearing a red bra.

I can't imagine much will happen until they track this guy down. In the meantime

Fox live feed
Police scanner.
https://www.reddit.com/live/w0nn1o5hu90y
Some links with graphic images of the aftermath with the SUV are popping up there. You can't see them in Live thread itself, just in case you want to avoid them

ABC7 helicopter speculating that one of the dead suspects is female - claims he saw a red sports bra.

RobertKK

"A senior federal official who is monitoring the case said investigators believe one of the shooters left the party after getting into an argument and returned with one or two armed companions."
Quote from LA Times

ceadaoin.

RobertKK wrote: »

"A senior federal official who is monitoring the case said investigators believe one of the shooters left the party after getting into an argument and returned with one or two armed companions."
Quote from LA Times

It seems like this was a bit better organized and planned than just a result of an altercation at a party.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

"A senior federal official who is monitoring the case said investigators believe one of the shooters left the party after getting into an argument and returned with one or two armed companions."
Quote from LA Times

It feels like there was some level of planning with this, so it seems like he went to the party knowing this would happen.

The device reported earlier is now code 4 (no further assistance required)

Amazingfun

Thanks for your updates boneyarsebogman, much appreciated

PressRun

I read something on Reddit where someone was saying that what appeared to be an Hispanic person, a Middle-Eastern person and a Neo-Nazi were all reported to be involved. Sounds like a beginning of a joke!

Police are executing a high-risk search warrant in Redlands, CA that is tied to the incident today.

kneemos

Very odd that there was three of them if it wasn't a terrorist attack.
They would surely have known they'd be caught and killed.

Amazingfun

Amazingfun wrote: »

Thanks for your updates boneyarsebogman, much appreciated

Ah I'm not doing much, bar recycling what I hear elsewhere, but you're welcome.

wil

BBC news seems to be about a minute ahead of Sky on the live report from the hospital spokesperson.

Still waiting on the police briefing. Completely dark there now.

Seemingly one of the hospitals treating victims of the shooting received a bomb threat.

Seriously. You'd want to be an awful disgusting c*nt to want to do that.