New Renault Talisman

ThisRegard

A car I wasn't aware of until I noticed it in the NCAP results. Looks like it will fit into the segment the Laguna left, and it's a pretty good looking car, the estate, IMO, is gorgeous, but I have a soft spot for them anyway.

Edit: just realise why I haven't heard much about it, it's not available in the UK or Ireland.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oVNQ89gxgzs/maxresdefault.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8pgkyYGGGCE/VZqDb_VlHbI/AAAAAAABCEk/12FU-SZOEcg/s1600/New-Renault-Talisman-0001.jpg

Zcott

Looks great. Any reason why they haven't sold them here? The Laguna has shrunk considerably...

Dero

They're not selling them here as the Laguna mk3 sales were particularly slow (probably understandable after the Laguna mk2). They're not making them in RHD at all AFAIK. It's a shame really as it looks to be a really nice car.

I'd personally love one, but then I've always had a soft spot for Lagunas. I had a mk2 in 2001; I put >80,000 miles on that in three years, and the only thing that broke was an alternator. I think I dodged a bullet there... I have a mk3 2.0 dCi 150 now, but I only got it in September. So far I love it though.

Zubeneschamali

Looks like an ugly cross between a Passat and an Avensis. Would barely sell at all here, so no point.

ThisRegard

Zcott wrote: »

Looks great. Any reason why they haven't sold them here? The Laguna has shrunk considerably...

Dero wrote: »

They're not selling them here as the Laguna mk3 sales were particularly slow (

As above, the poor sales of the Laguna lead Renault not to bother.

I think the big sales of those mini MPVs/SUVs, whatever they're being called these days, aren't helping either, few people seem to want saloons and estates these days, which is a shame, particularly when you consider the **** boot space in the likes of the Qashqai.

ThisRegard

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Looks like an ugly cross between a Passat and an Avensis. Would barely sell at all here, so no point.

It's nicer than either of those.

Henry Ford III

Like a facelifted Fluence.

listermint

TBH id be off the opinion a clean diesel version of this would sell quite readily here in Ireland. The Lagunas were extremely popular here over their lifecycle. The Laguna market was actually diluted by the fluence plus the car started to look tired in terms of design.


I see no real reason why a well priced Talisman would not compete in the market.

Henry Ford III

listermint wrote: »

TBH id be off the opinion a clean diesel version of this would sell quite readily here in Ireland. The Lagunas were extremely popular here over their lifecycle. The Laguna market was actually diluted by the fluence plus the car started to look tired in terms of design.


I see no real reason why a well priced Talisman would not compete in the market.

Last generation Lagunas sold terribly. The previous version was a dud and damaged Renaults reputation in that market segment.

Cost of rhd conversion and production would be hefty too.

Renault have bought market share here with heavy discounting for a few years, and that's the only way they'd sell something of that size here.

JohnBoy26

Terrible name for a car imo.

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Terrible name for a car imo.

Well it is from the company that thought Fluence was a good idea:)

listermint

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Last generation Lagunas sold terribly. The previous version was a dud and damaged Renaults reputation in that market segment.

Cost of rhd conversion and production would be hefty too.

Renault have bought market share here with heavy discounting for a few years, and that's the only way they'd sell something of that size here.

Over their lifecycle as i said.

I think its time to get back in the game tbh. The fluence segregated that market. So the last generation was never going to sell well.

Id get rid of the fluence and roll this puppy out with a name change because its pure awful.

duffman3833

i think it would sell here no problem, Renault sales are flying at the moment, they need a premium looking vehicle to attract companies to buy them as company cars, cause only Fluence and Laguna aren't that good looking and needs to have the 2.0dci engine. those 1.5dci engines are too slow for the big cars. After last model of Laguna giving problems, they need to end it and start fresh and this would be its replacement

Henry Ford III

listermint wrote: »

Over their lifecycle as i said.

I think its time to get back in the game tbh. The fluence segregated that market. So the last generation was never going to sell well.

Id get rid of the fluence and roll this puppy out with a name change because its pure awful.

Whatever. They pulled the Laguna due to poor sales of the last version, which was largely down to the previous incarnation being an unmitigated heap of steaming dung.

You'll still see folk posting here about keycards and electrical issues. Thankfully most of them are now scrap.

Fluence is an awful car too. Cheap and nasty.

listermint

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Whatever. They pulled the Laguna due to poor sales of the last version, which was largely down to the previous incarnation being an unmitigated heap of steaming dung.

You'll still see folk posting here about keycards and electrical issues. Thankfully most of them are now scrap.

Fluence is an awful car too. Cheap and nasty.

You appear to be vehemently anti Reno tbh, So forgive me if i take the posts with a tinge of skepticism. I have not affiliation to the brand and am fully aware of the issues suffered by various in the range.

I firmly believe this vehicle would sell, remove the fluence.

Oafley Jones

duffman3833 wrote: »

i think it would sell here no problem, Renault sales are flying at the moment, they need a premium looking vehicle to attract companies to buy them as company cars, cause only Fluence and Laguna aren't that good looking and needs to have the 2.0dci engine. those 1.5dci engines are too slow for the big cars. After last model of Laguna giving problems, they need to end it and start fresh and this would be its replacement

The Mark 3 Laguna was a solid car, but the previous model really did screw it over. I think the name is fine. Sure beats VelSatis anyway. And besides are Passat, Mondeo really that great names? I like the looks of it. Bit nose heavy, but the estate does appeal to me.

Renault aren't seeking the new Espace here either. Another good looking car and one that probably had a shot at selling. I can understand them not selling te Talisman as "D segment" really does seems to be dying off here, with people opting for crossovers. It still shows a lack of confidence in their brand though.

Oafley Jones

listermint wrote: »

I firmly believe this vehicle would sell, remove the fluence.

I'd get rid of the fluence ASAP anyways, but the Talisman is a class above it.

duffman3833

Oafley Jones wrote: »

The Mark 3 Laguna was a solid car, but the previous model really did screw it over. I think the name is fine. Sure beats VelSatis anyway. And besides are Passat, Mondeo really that great names? I like the looks of it. Bit nose heavy, but the estate does appeal to me.

I was referring to the mk2, i don't know much on the mk3 to comment on it. The name is fine but the image it has gotten over the years isn't great. Ive owned 2 meganes from around that period 05/06 and i had trouble with both and that's left me not trusting Renault so much, but my parents have a 13 megane for 2 years, nothing has gone wrong. Only thing about them in the interior is cheap looking and feels cheap also. This new Talisman looks 10 times better so even if they don't bring it here, i hope they take some features of it to newer models

Henry Ford III

listermint wrote: »

You appear to be vehemently anti Reno tbh, So forgive me if i take the posts with a tinge of skepticism. I have not affiliation to the brand and am fully aware of the issues suffered by various in the range.

I firmly believe this vehicle would sell, remove the fluence.

Actually I'm not, but that is your perogative.

Renault made some fine cars over the years. I even owned an old R4 van way back - a great wagon.

Some of their sporty models were great - R5Turbo, Clio Williams and some Meganes.

The Espace was a pioneer in it's class too.

The Laguna was ****e though, and as for the Flatulence

listermint

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Actually I'm not, but that is your perogative.

Renault made some fine cars over the years. I even owned an old R4 van way back - a great wagon.

Some of their sporty models were great - R5Turbo, Clio Williams and some Meganes.

The Espace was a pioneer in it's class too.

The Laguna was ****e though, and as for the Flatulence

2 Family members had Laguna MI and MII both had them for quite literally years, i think one was 13 years when he ditched it they ran them into the ground and the problems were minimal.


Yes i agree there were problems across the range but the MKIII was solid but the market had changed and they diluted it themselves.

Henry Ford III

listermint wrote: »

2 Family members had Laguna MI and MII both had them for quite literally years, i think one was 13 years when he ditched it they ran them into the ground and the problems were minimal.


Yes i agree there were problems across the range but the MKIII was solid but the market had changed and they diluted it themselves.

They should play the Lotto

Long Time Lurker

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Fluence is an awful car too. Cheap and nasty.

But to be fair it came with a phenomenal warranty, massive spec and they don't break. They nailed down their target audience perfectly. Every second taxi in Dublin seems to be one of these at the moment. Must be a durable aul thing all the same.

whiterebel

Estate is handsome. Had a gorgeous Laguna Mk1 2.0 petrol that had to go to the scrapyard after a bash. Great car, never an ounce of trouble with it. My dad had 18s, Lagunas and Meganes and never had a problem with one. I bought a brand new Megane in 99, and got rid of it within 10 months due to the delightful problem of it picking its times not to start as it wouldn't turn off the immobiliser. Brilliant in a car park on a dark winter's night.....

ThisRegard

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Renault aren't seeking the new Espace here either. Another good looking car and one that probably had a shot at selling. I can understand them not selling te Talisman as "D segment" really does seems to be dying off here, with people opting for crossovers. It still shows a lack of confidence in their brand though.

Another odd decision I think, the only competitor to it would be the Galaxy, the Grand Scenic is just not that big enough for some. Although the new Espace I think is another love it or hate it car, I like its quirky looks, probably a step too far for some.

I'm sure Renault must have done their market research thought before making these decisions and there's reasons for it.

listermint

ThisRegard wrote: »

Another odd decision I think, the only competitor to it would be the Galaxy, the Grand Scenic is just not that big enough for some. Although the new Espace I think is another love it or hate it car, I like its quirky looks, probably a step too far for some.

I'm sure Renault must have done their market research thought before making these decisions and there's reasons for it.

Irish Market too small more than likely.

ThisRegard

I'd say so, but I would have thought the UK would work for it, they like their people carriers there. Most of the Galaxy's I see around here are UK imports.

Zubeneschamali

ThisRegard wrote: »

Most of the Galaxy's I see around here are UK imports.

Not that many private Irish buyers with €50K for a new one is the main issue there, I'd say.

ThisRegard

Just less than €40k for a new base model, but I get your point. But the Galaxy is at least sold here. The current model is ugly though, from the side it looks like a hearse.

ThisRegard

Saw a German reg'd Talisman estate while on a recent trip, in Bose trim, and it's a pretty good looking car in the flesh.

Plenty of new model 2017 Meganes too, and the new Clio estate seems popular. Also saw a couple of the new Espace around. Renault seems to be doing well already with their new range not yet available in Ireland.

finalfurlong

See the saloon version of new megane here in nov.Calling it grand coupe.good package going by article in independent on wednesday.505 litre boot space means itll be popular here id say more than england where the hatch is preferred

ThisRegard

I got an invite to the launch of the new Megane here, might pop along to it. I don't think the estate will be around until next year.

bazz26

New Megane Grand Coupe:

colm_mcm

Grand coupe!

That's a liberty

ba_barabus

Had a good look over a Talisman earlier today. Lovely car. It was a mistake not to bring it here.

grogi

ba_barabus wrote: »

It was a mistake not to bring it here.

It is not only Irish market the Talisman is not brought to. UK does not get it as well. It's a pitty, but not a mistake...

D-Class saloons are not typically chosen by families - those used to go for an MPV or recently SUV, but rather fleet drivers. Talisman needs to compete with behemoths such as Mondeo and Passat. And this is a tough competition, especially when thinking about that target.

With the projected sales, mainly based on the sales of Laguna III (which was pulled from the market few years before it got replaced) Renault did make a conclusion that the R&D costs of RHD Talisman are not worth it and decided not to make a RHD at all.

I also don't think that Fluence is cannibalizing it. Fluence, despite being a different car, worked as a Megane Saloon in Renault lineup. Laguna III was bigger car (276cm of wheelbase) and Talisman is even bigger (it is in fact bigger than Superb B5).

kindalen

I'd consider buying one as a family car. Looked at a few of them and was impressed. But dont think the numbers would work to be bothered making RHD.

Pity.

colm_mcm

Aside from anything else, it would confuse the brand image too. It's getting to be a young funky brand in Ireland again with the crossovers and good small car range.
Not that Ireland is anything but a blip on their map.

GavMan

Renault can't expect to enhance their rep in this segment if they don't launch the bloody car!!!

The last gen Megane and Fluence did wonders for their reputation after their electrical snafus during the late 90's/early 2000's. The current Captur, Clio and by all accounts the Kadjar are further solidifying that status.

I don't but the market issue either. Between the UK and India, that's a plenty big market...

Ardennes1944

Theyre pretty popular over here, quite nice looking imo and the interior is nice as well. But it was definitely never gonna be a good car for the Irish market.

Long Time Lurker

GavMan wrote: »

Renault can't expect to enhance their rep in this segment if they don't launch the bloody car!!!

The last gen Megane and Fluence did wonders for their reputation after their electrical snafus during the late 90's/early 2000's. The current Captur, Clio and by all accounts the Kadjar are further solidifying that status.

I don't but the market issue either. Between the UK and India, that's a plenty big market...

I'd say its more UK than Ireland being the problem. If the UK ain't getting it then its probably highly unlikely we'll get it either. I'd say it would sell like hot cakes in Ireland. Excellent looking car. Admittedly Paddy has gone SUV crazy and the traditional middle ground saloon (and especially estate) are the ones to suffer. Still think there's room in our market to accommodate it all the same. Shame the UK don't want anything except premiem badged bigger saloons.

colm_mcm

The saloon market is shrinking in Ireland, looking at the likes of the mondeo and Avensis, they're not selling too many.

franer1970

FYI the Talisman is the replacement for the Latitude, which was also not sold in UK and Ireland. Was made in RHD for Australia strangely enough though.
Basically a Laguna III with upmarket aspirations.



http://www.caradvice.com.au/114888/renault-latitude-review/

GavMan

franer1970 wrote: »

FYI the Talisman is the replacement for the Latitude, which was also not sold in UK and Ireland. Was made in RHD for Australia strangely enough though.
Basically a Laguna III with upmarket aspirations.



http://www.caradvice.com.au/114888/renault-latitude-review/

Very Fluence like

Long Time Lurker

GavMan wrote: »

Very Fluence like

Just by chance I happened to be parked behind one yesterday. Nothing like a Fluence at all. More like one of those North American big Nissans (altima or something) but with Renault badges. Big car.

grogi

GavMan wrote: »

Very Fluence like

Because it's a Renault and it is a saloon?!

grogi

colm_mcm wrote: »

The saloon market is shrinking in Ireland, looking at the likes of the mondeo and Avensis, they're not selling too many.

I've just noticed - Citroen pulled C5 Saloon and Estates not only from Ireland, but also from UK... Not surprising - they have sold a shocking 18 this year so far in here and ~250 last year in UK...

Talisman would face similar problems...

For Forks Sake

grogi wrote: »

I've just noticed - Citroen pulled C5 Saloon and Estates not only from Ireland, but also from UK... Not surprising - they have sold a shocking 18 this year so far in here and ~250 last year in UK...

Talisman would face similar problems...

Current model C5 has been around since 2007/08, it was barefaced cheek to keep selling them new at this stage. And outright stupidity on the part of anyone who purchased one new.

ba_barabus

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Just by chance I happened to be parked behind one yesterday. Nothing like a Fluence at all. More like one of those North American big Nissans (altima or something) but with Renault badges. Big car.

That's because it is a Samsung which was then badhe as a Nissan and Renault for different markets. The Talisman is available in Rhd markets just not always under the Renault badge. Like the Fluence it could be made available here and not in the UK if there was a big enough market for it.

bazz26

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Current model C5 has been around since 2007/08, it was barefaced cheek to keep selling them new at this stage. And outright stupidity on the part of anyone who purchased one new.

They do still sell them here, it's called the Peugeot 508.

alias no.9

It will be available in RHD late this year or early next year, if it doesn't come here, its because they don't expect to sell enough to justify importing it.

https://autoportal.com/newcars/renault/talisman/

coolbeans

franer1970 wrote: »

FYI the Talisman is the replacement for the Latitude, which was also not sold in UK and Ireland. Was made in RHD for Australia strangely enough though.
Basically a Laguna III with upmarket aspirations.



http://www.caradvice.com.au/114888/renault-latitude-review/

Pretty sure the Latitude is a rebadged Samsung. No relationship with the Laguna III AFAIK. That's without resorting to Wikipedia.