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UFC 194: McGregor vs Aldo ***READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING***
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Seriously the "Fertitta" reaction thing? Complete nonsense imho. He rises out of his seat and puts his hands up in surprise, then presumably realises he is holding the belt and brings it down pretty quick. I cant see how people read anything into it... how?
Why did you put Fertitta in inverted commas, are you implying he's not a real Fertitta?
I can see how/why people are reading into it but it's inconclusive at best.0 -
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McGregor via DecisionIve felt that for a while with Dana and Fertita too. Its all subtle but I think they dont appreciate him advocating himself as a governing partner of the UFC. They just dont seem budzy woodzys like they did before anyway and in company now its all a bit too much of an at arms length welcomes.
I also feel Conor probably tried too hard for Croke park and got put in his box and now trots out the company line in the negative like it pains him.
RTE2 showed re-runs of the Notorious documentary on Friday. In one episode Conor meets Dana and Lorenzo in UFC HQ. Conor jokes that he'll soon have an office next door to Lorenzo, everyone laughs but Conor was pretty serious
The scale of his ambition knows no bounds.
As for Croker I reckon Dana and Lorenzo are going to have to do it at some stage and July is obvious choice given the weather here. Conors the champ now and has always wanted this gig in his hometown and deserves it for walking the walk. It will of course mean less PPVs but if Conor is willing to take a lower payday then for a one off event they should too. A McGregor Holloway rematch at Croker in July followed by Edgar in Vegas in December is hopefully something they'll considerThis reaction from Frank Fertitta to McGregor's KO is bizarre to say the least:
I think people are reading too much into Frank Fertitta reaction. For all we know he might have had a $1m bet riding on Aldo and was expressing his disappointment. But you can't even conclude that as you can't see his facial expression as the belt goes down.A quick message to say during down time over the last few weeks preparation I checked out some of this thread and found it very entertaining. Thanks and regardless who you were supporting it's great to see the level of interest and passion you guys have, keep it up!
John congrats to you Artem & Owen and all the backroom team at SBG. It must be some feeling for you to wake up Sunday morning knowing you've achieved your ambition of coaching a world champion. Inspirational achievement.0 -
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You have to question Aldo's (or Aldo's corners) fight IQ for coming out swinging. I mean, he was seriously swinging too.
Go back and look at the footage, really look at it. Slow it down and look frame by frame because its instructive. There is a video of the knockout here.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2598888-jose-aldo-vs-conor-mcgregor-knockout-draws-negative-reaction-in-brazilian-media
With the exception of when he connects with McGregors head, Aldo's hand never rise above his own shoulders, which by that time are considerably lower than McGregors because Aldo is loading up on his legs. He fires his punches almost from his hips, especially the ill fated right (which doesn't really connect with anything other than Conors chest). When the left hook comes in from Conor, freeze it there (11 seconds into that video) and Aldos upper arm is directly down his body and his elbow makes a 90 degree angle with it. No defence and poor offence from there.
This is woeful technique especially against someone know for fighting on the rear foot. Its bad strategy coupled with bad tactics and bad technique.
Why go into it swinging with a counter puncher who has "questionable" ground game. Why not go to your best weapon of Muay Thai kicks to Conor's wide stance and take out his lead leg. Kill his movement which takes away a big part of his game (as per Aldo vs Faber). The only reason not to kick is if you are fighting a wrestler who might take you down... that's not going to happen here and anyway, Aldo did it just fine against other wrestlers (Mendes, Faber etc).
Its baffling that Aldo would just run across the cage, chin stuck out swinging wildly. For clarity, I'm by no means in the "it was a fix camp" lol... that's just bonkers talk, but I *am* questioning Aldo's mental state and his fight IQ because that has to be one of the dumbest moves ever made inside the octagon.
The only explanation is what Conor said in fact, he was so wound up that he telegraphed his big loaded-up punches, threw caution to the wind, over extended himself because of emotion and saw red.
I think there's a lot of retrospective analysis there Dev. Looks to me like you are trying to find faults in those 13 seconds for the sake of the "what was he thinking" narrative. I think it's very forced to paint this as a Cat Zingano moment from Aldo.
What you said it true, Aldo did lunge forward, with a power hook. But I disagree that this was recklessly charging forward, or swinging wildly. This is simply, Jose Aldo 101. It's an incredibly aggressive approach. I think it's silly to call it one of the dumbest moves you've ever seen, when until this weekend it was precisely those moves that had many proclaim him as the king. Aldo never won via 50-45 finesse, he won previously via brutal aggression. That lack of caution is why he lost rounds to each of his previous opponent.
Aldo has a low guard. He always has, and he wasn't holding his hands any different as came out here imo. This may be a sub-optimal compared to a traditional high guard in muay thai - but this isn't muay thai. The low (and somewhat open) guard allows Aldo to be more mobile and cut forward as he throws power shots. To use the cliche, offence is the best defence. His approach to this fight appeared to be to simply do his thing, exactly what he has always done. The brief glimpse we seem, looked to be exactly the Jose Aldo that always was.Aldo's hand never rise above his own shoulders...
Here he is punishing Lamas. In the third exchange, he is completely exposed the whole time. But his power shots protect him as Lamas is too busy trying get out of there to do anything.
In the exchange that end it all, he opened with a barely there cross. This wasn't supposed to connect, it's a flash in their eyes, to close their guard so the hook can sneak around the corner. It's something he does alot. And it works, if your opponent stays stuck in the mud. He's a similar flashed jab to load up the uppercut vrs Manny Gamburyan. that leads to the finish.
There's no way we can discount low kicks from his game plan based on 13 seconds. A lead low kick would have been checked almost all of the time. It's much more effective to set in up in a combo. Especially when you go high to one side, and low to the other. As other have mentioned, I've also have no doubt that a right low kick was due to follow that left hook.Why not go to your best weapon of Muay Thai kicks to Conor's wide stance and take out his lead leg.
Here's an most identical combo verses Hominick. Flashed cross, power hook, right low kick. The only difference was he went to the body with the hook. Noticing that Hominick, even though first he reacted to the feint cross, he also managed to find Aldo's chin with his left.
After any of those fight, I doubt anyone questioned Aldo's fight IQ, recklessness, or his low guard. Because it worked. Saturday was no different. Except for the fact that instead of covering up, Conor skipped back and firing the straight left, beating him to the punch.0 -
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I doubt he didn't respect it. But he probably believed he was better, and that he would come off better in the exchanges overall. I imagine he accepted that he got hit in these exchanges, taking one defense strike for the sake of landing two or three power shots* (Hominick gif above)SureYWouldntYa wrote: »Would he not have been smarter to actually pay respect to Conor's left hand though ?
There's a line between respect and fear imo. If he tried to hide from the left hand, changing his style to a high guard, fighting on the outside. He would have been picked apart over the entire round.
*Much in the way McGregor stopped being so evasive for the sake of landing more shots
This pretty much highlights my point. Conor knew aobut the low kicks. I imagine he drilled the check (whatever else he had preparedIf McGregor left his leg out there exposed to one of Aldo's biggest weapons, not attempting to check and just doing his own usual thing, would we not be questioning Conor's gameplan ?
). But he still came out in his wide stance. He prepared for it, but he didn't fear it so much that it put him off his game. He believed he was faster and more precise, and would come off the better for it.
Best example of this I can think of is the 3rd BJ Penn and Edgar fight. BJ came out with a new and bizarre style, (allegedly) to try to improve his gas tank. Failed miserably.0 -
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