Breastfeeding Mom in restaurant stare off...

nozzferrahhtoo

One eyed Jack wrote: »

and if people have this attitude that they are entitled to do something without due consideration for other people, then those people need to come up with an argument as to why they are entitled not to consider other people

Other way around actually. If people have the attitude that you need to be considerate of other people when you are doing "X" then those people need to come up with an arguments as to why the people doing "X" need to be considerate.

So with public breast feeding, I have seen no argument (least of all from you) as to why someone doing it needs to be considerate, how, or in what way. That argument is entirely lacking on the thread so far.

Kev W

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Oh so if the media publication point out that it's being done for attention seeking reasons, that negates the attention seeking? Yeah, that makes a bunch of sense.

Not my point at all.

When I put the question I said it would never happen and so quit suggesting that I posed it suggesting anything else. The point is that Kev was implying that the very notion that a woman could be being inconsiderate whilst breastfeeding wrong. I was obviously trying to make the point that there is a state of undress which everyone would see as being unnecessary and so the only real argument is where the line is, NOT whether it is possible or not.

I'm still waiting for you to point out where I've done that.

One eyed Jack

lazygal wrote: »

Well you're just brilliant at telling us what other people think, why they do things and what their plan is, alongside telling breastfeeding women how to do it properly (without exposing more than a nipple) and that pumping is only marvellous. You should really join La Leche International, I'm sure they'd be delighted with an advocate like you.

I didn't tell anyone what anyone actually thinks, I'm able to make judgements based on the evidence presented, and from my own experience. I never said she actually thought she was doing something wrong, I said she must have felt that way, and that opinion is based upon a judgement call, informed by evidence and experience.

Obviously your perspective differs, and so our interpretation of the evidence will differ. I can respect your opinion though without being smart about it, as that's just unnecessary.

Samaris

NachoBusiness

I quote Ally Dick a few pages ago with the shawl comment. Actually, I paraphrased it slightly rather than going back to get the quote, but it's pretty clear.

I quite noted that you said it'd never happen and I made it clear I did in my previous comment. The sheer fact that it "wouldn't happen" makes the point unnecessary. My hypothetical back was in direct response to the ridiculousness of your straw man hypothetical from before.

Kev has said himself that he is not making the point you're repeatedly accusing him of, and quite frankly, from reading his comments, I don't see him as making the point you're arguing either.

Excellent, we're all agreed it's normal and legal then! So that does rather suggest the first incident of rudeness came from whoever it was staring and making disapproving motions at her. The glare in response may not be dignified, but it's a reasonable enough response to someone being rude to one.

Her breast is exposed. Big whoop. It's very hard to feed a child through a jumper and not all babies will submit to being covered with a shawl. And not all parents might want to go through the rigmarole of keeping a shawl in place, nor should they have to, because, as we've all agreed, breastfeeding is perfectly normal and allowed. To call it attention-seeking not to use one is really pushing it a bit far as well.

lazygal

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I didn't tell anyone what anyone actually thinks, I'm able to make judgements based on the evidence presented, and from my own experience. I never said she actually thought she was doing something wrong, I said she must have felt that way, and that opinion is based upon a judgement call, informed by evidence and experience.

Obviously your perspective differs, and so our interpretation of the evidence will differ. I can respect your opinion though without being smart about it, as that's just unnecessary.

So how exactly does 'considerate' breastfeeding work and how is it different from bottle feeding in a 'considerate' manner?

topmanamillion

intheclouds wrote: »

A woman who lived on my road growing up used to breast feed each subsequent kid but let the previous ones have a "bitty" - I remember her letting her then 10 or 11 year old son have a "bitty" at one point. That poor child must have serious issues now.

It might sound extreme but I would class that as child abuse. There's no biological reason why a well nourished child (which I'm presuming the child was without beast milk) should need breast milk. It was comforting the mother just as much if not more than her son.
Should certainly be illegal but you'd have every idiot with a twitter page up in arms.

Kev W

topmanamillion wrote: »

It might sound extreme but I would class that as paedophilia. There's no biological reason why a well nourished child (which I'm presuming the child was without beast milk) should need breast milk. It was comforting the mother just as much if not more than her son. Should certainly be illegal but you'd have every idiot with a twitter page up in arms.

You're absolutely right.

That does sound extreme.

topmanamillion

Kev W wrote: »

You're absolutely right.

That does sound extreme.

I changed it to child abuse before reading your message.
I absolutely feel it's child abuse to have a child who can eat solids breast feeding.

intheclouds

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I never said she actually thought she was doing something wrong, I said she must have felt that way...

What is the difference between thinking you are doing something wrong and feeling it?

Samaris

...It actually makes less sense calling it child abuse than paedophilia!

It's -weird-, yes, but unless it's got a definate sexual aspect to it, it really really is not paedophilia, even if it is a bit weird and unnecessary. Actually, a friend of mine as a child was given breast milk because at aged sevenish or so she was very jealous of her new baby brother and it calmed her down a bit. She was also from a culture where children were breastfed to a later age than here. I would consider that -odd-, and probably not the best way to deal with a jealous older sibling, but certainly not paedophilia.

I would say to make it illegal would be the worst sort of example of nanny-stating!

lazygal

topmanamillion wrote: »

I changed it to child abuse before reading your message.
I absolutely feel it's child abuse to have a child who can eat solids breast feeding.

My children both started solids at six months old.

My older child self weaned at 14 months.

My younger child still happily breastfeeds at over two and we'll go until natural weaning, which could easily be four years of age. Am I abusing him by not weaning him from breastmilk?

NachoBusiness

Kev W wrote: »

You could have just asked me that. Yes, it is possible for a mother to be inconsiderate while breastfeeding. She could, for example, stab several other patrons (assuming she has a free hand) while screaming, "THIS IS FOR YOU, NACHO, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FOR YOU!!!"

Great, at least now you accept that is possible. Now we're getting somewhere. How about you come a little further along the road and I ask you if a woman sitting in a restaurant takes her top off completely to breastfeed. Is that inconsiderate?

In this case however, she did not.

Never said she did.

I draw the line at actual inconsiderate behaviour. Excessive noise, throwing food, murderous rampages, singing "Angels" at the top of one's voice, etc.

More exaggerated points from users who accused me of exaggerating mine.

Perhaps you can point out where exactly I gave you this idea? As far as I can tell I've only commented on whether or not the act of breastfeeding is in itself inconsiderate (it isn't). I have not to the best of my knowledge implied that breastfeeding mothers should enjoy a weird form of diplomatic immunity.

You imply it when you take umbrage at the notion that a woman that was clearly looking for attention, was not.

Kev W wrote: »

As long as the result is the same (diminishing the taboo), who cares why they're doing it? If I rescue a drowning child because I want my name in the papers more than I want to save the child's life, the child still gets rescued. The motivation is hardly relevant.

Well, now you're suggesting two things 1) that these attention seekers actions are diminishing the taboo of breastfeeding and 2) that there is no harm in it. Well for a start I would dispute the notion that such women are lifting the taboo of public breastfeeding but are in fact making it worse, as the vast majority of women who breast breastfeed for breastfeeding sake may very well be seen as attention seekers as a result of these idiots. Secondly, these kids will grow up one day and might not appreciate that they starred in a Channel 4 docu, YouTube videos or were breastfed on the cover of Time magazine and so it might not be the harmless act you are suggesting it is.

kylith

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It isn't, it's people's attitudes can be inconsiderate, and that can apply in any scenario, and if people have this attitude that they are entitled to do something without due consideration for other people, then those people need to come up with an argument as to why they are entitled not to consider other people, but other people must be considerate of them!

Smacks of hypocritical double standards to me tbh. I have no problem with hypocritical double standards personally, but I keep mine to myself.

You use a lot of words there without actually saying anything.

In what way is breastfeeding inconsiderate?
How does one breastfeed inconsiderately?
How can one breastfeed considerately?
What was this woman doing that was inconsiderate?
How did she not consider other people?
How could she have considered other people?
If an attitude is inconsiderate, but the act itself is not inconsiderate then how is anyone affected?

Maximus Alexander

Ah isn't living in the first world just grand really? Look at the shie we have the privilege of having the time to get upset over.

Kev W

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Great, at least now you accept that is possible. Now we're getting somewhere. How about you come a little further along the road and I ask you if a woman sitting in a restaurant takes her top off completely to breastfeed. Is that inconsiderate?

She would be breaking the law and making a scene, disrupting other patrons. Yes, that would be inconsiderate.

Never said she did.

I know that. I was joking.

More exaggerated points from users who accused me of exaggerating mine.

You asked what I considered inconsiderate, I answered. Sorry for having fun with it.

You imply it when you take umbrage at the notion that a woman that was clearly looking for attention, was not.

No, I don't. They are completely separate notions.

Well, now you're suggesting two things 1) that these attention seekers actions are diminishing the taboo of breastfeeding and 2) there is no harm in it. Well, for a start I would dispute the notion that such women are lifting the taboo of public breastfeeding but are in fact making it worse, as the vast majority of women who breast breastfeed for breastfeeding sake may very well be seen as attention seekers as a result of these idiots

Maybe. likelier the "vast majority" will probably never hear about this story and those that do will have forgotten it in a week like the rest of us. As to your contention that the lady in the OP is an attention seeker, so what? She's running a blog, attention is how they operate. You might as well call Tesco "just money seekers" because they charge for groceries.

and secondly, these kids will grow up one day and might not appreciate that they starred in YouTube videos or were breastfed on the cover of Time and so it can be far from the harmless act you suggest it is.

On the other hand, they may not care at all, they may find it funny, they may take pride in it. We can't really know, can we?

smash

Can we all agree that it's a fantastic breast?

I was on a long distance flight a few weeks ago and the woman sitting next to me started breast feeding her child. I immediately froze and felt very uncomfortable and didn't know where to look or what to do.

BUT, I sucked it up and got on with it (not that type of sucking lol). End of story.

Why do both sides need to make such a big f*cking deal about it? I agree it's not good if it's in broad daylight but at the same time if somebody is doing it, then just don't look, it's not difficult.

Kev W

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree it's not good if it's in broad daylight

Why?

One eyed Jack

kylith wrote: »

You use a lot of words there without actually saying anything.

In what way is breastfeeding inconsiderate?
How does one breastfeed inconsiderately?
How can one breastfeed considerately?
What was this woman doing that was inconsiderate?
How did she not consider other people?
How could she have considered other people?
If an attitude is inconsiderate, but the act itself is not inconsiderate then how is anyone affected?

kylith I leave the answers to those questions up to the individual themselves. If they feel they're not doing anything wrong, then there's no need to make a big deal about someone staring at them. I get stared at all the time for various reasons, and normally it's rude and it's inconsiderate and all the rest of it, but I'm used to it, so I don't care if people want to stare, it's also not illegal to stare at people.

What I certainly don't do, is engage in a childish "stare-down" (not least because they have me at an immediate disadvantage :pac:), but simply because I understand that as socially unacceptable as staring is, people are gonna do it anyway. That, IMO, is what this woman should have done - simply carry on feeding her baby and ignore anyone staring at her for doing so.

It really isn't that difficult to mind your own business if you expect people to mind theirs. The fact is that most people do, they do mind their own business, and I don't go out of my way to draw attention to myself with silly stare-down matches. I don't feel a need to do that because IMO it's simply a waste of my time and energy.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

lazygal wrote: »

My children both started solids at six months old.

My older child self weaned at 14 months.

My younger child still happily breastfeeds at over two and we'll go until natural weaning, which could easily be four years of age. Am I abusing him by not weaning him from breastmilk?

If they're old enough to ask for it, they're too old.

Kev W

Kev W wrote: »

Why?

Because it's exposing female genitals. I mean if I see someone p*ssing in the street I would feel the same way. I would feel uncomfortable and not particularly like it, but I would just carry on and ignore it.

lazygal

LexieOnRale wrote: »

If they're old enough to ask for it, they're too old.

If you're old enough to ask for food, that means you don't eat any more? What weird logic.

Menas

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it's exposing female genitals. I mean if I see someone p*ssing in the street I would feel the same way. I would feel uncomfortable and not particularly like it, but I would just carry on and ignore it.

Eh...boobs are not genitals!

lazygal

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it's exposing female genitals. I mean if I see someone p*ssing in the street I would feel the same way. I would feel uncomfortable and not particularly like it, but I would just carry on and ignore it.

Breasts are for feeding children. You must have confused them with other body parts.

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it's exposing female genitals.

Jesus Christ.

smash

lazygal wrote: »

If you're old enough to ask for food, that means you don't eat any more? What weird logic.

I guess what she's saying is that if you're old enough to ask for food, you should be given food and not a breast. And when I say 'food', I'm not saying breast milk isn't food, I clearly mean solid food.

One eyed Jack

lazygal wrote: »

Breasts are for feeding children. You must have confused them with other body parts.

I really hope I never get to that point in my life where I think women's breasts are solely for feeding children. I would also hope that there aren't too many women feel that their breasts are only for feeding children.

lazygal

smash wrote: »

I guess what she's saying is that if you're old enough to ask for food, you should be given food and not a breast. And when I say 'food', I'm not saying breast milk isn't food, I clearly mean solid food.

I still don't understand that logic. A newborn can 'ask' for breastmilk by rooting, by putting their hands in their mouth and other hunger cues. Why is my two year old too old for something because he can verbalise that he wants or needs it? There's loads of health benefits to breastfeeding, not to mention the cost savings and environmental elements to it. It's bizarre that natural weaning from the breast is seen as so strange by so many people.

esforum

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it's exposing female genitals. I mean if I see someone p*ssing in the street I would feel the same way. I would feel uncomfortable and not particularly like it, but I would just carry on and ignore it.

Boobies are genitals now? I thought they were baby feeders that men happen to find fascinating

The picture is nothing, absolutely nothing. If you look real real closely you can see an entire restaurant that does not give a single **** about this womans breast

lazygal wrote: »

If you're old enough to ask for food, that means you don't eat any more? What weird logic.

Nope. it means your at the right age for solid food. If your child is going in the toilet and completely potty trained do you put them in nappies or underwear?

I dont think natural weaning will actually result in the child stopping either and at 4 I think thats just odd, the child will be going to school FFS! (anyone else think of Little Britain and bitty?)

osarusan

One eyed Jack wrote: »

kylith I leave the answers to those questions up to the individual themselves.

But you didn't leave the answers. You've obviously answered them from your perspective. You've said any number of times on this thread that this woman was being inconsiderate.

So please tell us, prior to the stareoff with the other customer happening, what exactly was she doing that you deem to be inconsiderate and attention seeking?

lazygal

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I really hope I never get to that point in my life where I think women's breasts are solely for feeding children. I would also hope that there aren't too many women feel that their breasts are only for feeding children.

But they are for feeding children. Again, you are projecting your feelings onto breastfeeding. You never told me how I could breastfeed considerately either. Why would you hope many women feel the same as you about breasts?

eviltwin

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I really hope I never get to that point in my life where I think women's breasts are solely for feeding children. I would also hope that there aren't too many women feel that their breasts are only for feeding children.

When you are a nursing mother that is their primary function. Especially when you have a child who is hungry and getting cross. A woman on a plane can't exactly do much else but feed the child can she? What's more offensive to you, a glimpse of breast or a screaming baby?

seamus

Some irrational arguments are just funny, they come up in the same format in the oddest of places.

"I've no problem with breastfeeding, but...."

There are a few people taking a lot of time to discuss what breastfeeding mothers should do in public while still claiming that they've no issues with breastfeeding.

smash

lazygal wrote: »

I still don't understand that logic. A newborn can 'ask' for breastmilk by rooting, by putting their hands in their mouth and other hunger cues. Why is my two year old too old for something because he can verbalise that he wants or needs it? There's loads of health benefits to breastfeeding, not to mention the cost savings and environmental elements to it. It's bizarre that natural weaning from the breast is seen as so strange by so many people.

Your child can talk and can socialise. How can they he anything outside of the house like attend parties etc? While all the other kids are eating cake will you be sitting there saying "Come here honey, dinner's ready" and handing him a boob to suck on?

I have no issues with breastfeeding, but there's a time when enough is enough.

kylith

One eyed Jack wrote: »

kylith I leave the answers to those questions up to the individual themselves. If they feel they're not doing anything wrong, then there's no need to make a big deal about someone staring at them. I get stared at all the time for various reasons, and normally it's rude and it's inconsiderate and all the rest of it, but I'm used to it, so I don't care if people want to stare, it's also not illegal to stare at people.

What I certainly don't do, is engage in a childish "stare-down" (not least because they have me at an immediate disadvantage :pac:), but simply because I understand that as socially unacceptable as staring is, people are gonna do it anyway. That, IMO, is what this woman should have done - simply carry on feeding her baby and ignore anyone staring at her for doing so.

It really isn't that difficult to mind your own business if you expect people to mind theirs. The fact is that most people do, they do mind their own business, and I don't go out of my way to draw attention to myself with silly stare-down matches. I don't feel a need to do that because IMO it's simply a waste of my time and energy.

So, you don't actually have any idea what you're on about with this 'be considerate' stuff? Well, that makes at least 2 of us.

If I was out for a walk and someone glared at me as I was using the pedestrian crossing and I decided that I was going to stare back at them since they were the ones being rude in the first place I'd be the one in the wrong. And then I'd be in the wrong if I wrote on my blog about pedestrian crossings about the person staring at me?

The only way to change outdated attitudes is by challenging them. This woman didn't make a scene. She didn't go rub her boobs in anyone's face. She simply maintained eye-contact with the person staring at her. Maybe it was childish, but it wasn't anywhere near as pathetic as the person staring at a nursing mother like she was doing something wrong.

NachoBusiness

Kev W wrote: »

As to your contention that the lady in the OP is an attention seeker, so what? She's running a blog, attention is how they operate.

Indeed.

You might as well call Tesco "just money seekers" because they charge for groceries.

Ah, now you have it. Yes, Tesco are pretending to care about their customers with their 'Every Little Helps' waffle but ultimately they just want our money and these attention seekers pretend to care about lifting the taboo of breastfeeding but ultimately just want attention.

You say 'So what?' as if that isn't enough to make them worthy of criticism, when it is! This thread was done before by the way and on it those breastfeeding YouTube channels that are set up by certain women were spoke of and I typed out a reply saying how I felt that many of them were disgracefully just doing it for attention and that it was very obvious as they would have very sexually suggestive vid caps on their videos in an attempt to get views. One in particular which I won't get into but was why I chose not to post the reply in the end.

To clarify: I have no issue with a woman breastfeeding in public, haven't got the sense that anybody that has posted on this thread does but I do have an issue with any woman that uses it as a means of attention whoring. Become an exhibitionist if you want. I may even subscribe to your website but using your kid to get attention in this context is reprehensible and sickening in my view.

lazygal

esforum wrote: »

I dont think natural weaning will actually result in the child stopping either and at 4 I think thats just odd, the child will be going to school FFS! (anyone else think of Little Britain and bitty?)

My first child weaned naturally, at 14 months. Natural weaning occurs when the child is ready to wean. Maybe that's two, maybe its four. Here's some information on it.

http://www.lalecheleague.org/llleaderweb/lv/lvdec00jan01p112.html

lazygal

smash wrote: »

Your child can talk and can socialise. How can they he anything outside of the house like attend parties etc? While all the other kids are eating cake will you be sitting there saying "Come here honey, dinner's ready" and handing him a boob to suck on?

I have no issues with breastfeeding, but there's a time when enough is enough.

My child feeds in the mornings, when he wakes up. Maybe another feed or two if I'm not working or he's sick or very tired. Do you know how breastfeeding a toddler works? It is completly different to a newborn or baby. It doesn't involve them being on the breast all day every day, I'm in work most days and I work late so he gets no feeds at all during that. If we're in a situation where I don't want to feed, I distract him with something else and that's no big deal.

How do you think it works? That he's on me all day, every day and does nothing but feed?

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote:

Why do both sides need to make such a big f*cking deal about it? I agree it's not good if it's in broad daylight but at the same time if somebody is doing it, then just don't look, it's not difficult.

Agree with all this except to say that you are not obliged to not look. Same rules of looking apply to breastfeeding as any other activity someone engages in.

If someone broke into doing push ups or calf raises while waiting for a train to arrive, I wouldn't say that you can't look. They are in public. Staring is always unwelcome but if someone prefers not to be seen then they should find somewhere private.

I find something really childish about being embarrassed by breasts and not being able to distinguish between the functions breasts serve. I don't mean to be a killjoy but breasts wouldn't be attractive without their reproductive function.

Live and let live

smash

lazygal wrote: »

My child feeds in the mornings, when he wakes up. Maybe another feed or two if I'm not working or he's sick or very tired. Do you know how breastfeeding a toddler works? It is completly different to a newborn or baby. It doesn't involve them being on the breast all day every day, I'm in work most days and I work late so he gets no feeds at all during that. If we're in a situation where I don't want to feed, I distract him with something else and that's no big deal.

How do you think it works? That he's on me all day, every day and does nothing but feed?

So you go to work leaving him unfed since the morning, and then other times if you're not in the mood to feed him when he's hungry you'll just distract him? And all of that is no big deal?

hmmm... I don't really want to continue this conversation.

lazygal

smash wrote: »

So you go to work leaving him unfed since the morning, and then other times if you're not in the mood to feed him when he's hungry you'll just distract him? And all of that is no big deal?

hmmm... I don't really want to continue this conversation.

No it isn't. He'll eat food as well, breastmilk isn't his sole source of food. But when he was sick a few weeks ago the breastmilk was great for him, full of just the right stuff. Do you think toddlers who are still breastfed get nothing but breastmilk and starve in between feeds or something? Why does it make you so uncomfortable?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Tbh at 2, it's more of a comfort thing like a blanket or a toy or a soother. Probably for both of you. The health benefits are well over with.

lazygal

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Tbh at 2, it's more of a comfort thing like a blanket or a toy or a soother. Probably for both of you. The health benefits are well over with.

No, they aren't-but that's a really common misconception.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/extended-breastfeeding/art-20046962


People have a lot of misconceptions about breastfeeding.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

lazygal wrote: »

No, they aren't-but that's a really common misconception.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/extended-breastfeeding/art-20046962


People have a lot of misconceptions about breastfeeding.

So is your 14 month old less healthy?

lazygal

LexieOnRale wrote: »

So is your 14 month old less healthy?

Who knows, the benefits are long term. She self weaned though-I couldn't force her to continue. My younger child shows no signs of weaning.

smash

lazygal wrote: »

No it isn't. He'll eat food as well, breastmilk isn't his sole source of food. But when he was sick a few weeks ago the breastmilk was great for him, full of just the right stuff. Do you think toddlers who are still breastfed get nothing but breastmilk and starve in between feeds or something?

Well that's the way you made it sound.

lazygal wrote: »

Why does it make you so uncomfortable?

Breastfeeding babies doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. Breastfeeding older children does because I think it's more for the mother than for the child and so I feel sorry for the child in ways. But that's just my opinion.

intheclouds

lazygal wrote: »

How do you think it works? That he's on me all day, every day and does nothing but feed?

Actually I have no idea how baby or child feeding works at all, breastfeeding or not.

If you dont have children I dont think its unusual that you wouldnt know how it works.

Even if you do have children, I suppose different people and cultures do things differently.

So if you breastfeed him twice or three times one day, but just once the next day, what does your body do with the excess milk, or how does it know to produce more some days? Thats probably a really dumb question but I genuinely wouldnt have a notion.

Kev W

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Indeed.




Ah, now you have it. Yes, Tesco are pretending to care about their customers with their 'Every Little Helps' waffle but ultimately they just want our money and these attention seekers pretend to care about lifting the taboo of breastfeeding but ultimately just want attention.

You say 'So what?' as if that isn't enough to make them worthy of criticism, when it is! This thread was done before by the way and on it those breastfeeding YouTube channels that are set up by certain women were spoke of and I typed out a reply saying how I felt that many of them were disgracefully just doing it for attention and that it was very obvious as they would have very sexually suggestive vid caps on their videos in an attempt to get views. One in particular which I won't get into but was why I chose not to post the reply in the end.

To clarify: I have no issue with a woman breastfeeding in public, haven't got the sense that anybody that has posted on this thread does but I do have an issue with any woman that uses it as a means of attention whoring. Become an exhibitionist if you want. I may even subscribe to your website but using your kid to get attention in this context is reprehensible and sickening in my view.

If your entire argument is "they're only looking for attention" then you have no argument. Unless you can demonstrate how the desire for attention is an inherently bad thing.

greenorchard

topmanamillion wrote: »

I changed it to child abuse before reading your message.
I absolutely feel it's child abuse to have a child who can eat solids breast feeding.

Ok, you do realise that babies start eating solids around 6 months? It's child abuse to breastfeed a 6 month old baby now?! Babies also can't have cow's milk until they're one so the choice is either continue breastfeeding until they're one or switch to expensive, more inconvenient and less nutritious formula. I know which one I'll be doing.

lazygal

smash wrote: »

Well that's the way you made it sound.


Breastfeeding babies doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. Breastfeeding older children does because I think it's more for the mother than for the child and so I feel sorry for the child in ways. But that's just my opinion.

If I was a stricter mother I'd have weaned him at two-that was my plan. But he loves his morning feeds and the odd time he's sick or upset the breastmilk is the best thing for him. Trust me, you wouldn't feel sorry for him if you saw how happy he is having his feeds and when he tells me how yummy it is. It's for their benefit that I breastfed-I really didn't particularly like feeding either of my children for a long time.