There's no such thing as Santa Claus!!!

The Bishop Basher

sup_dude wrote: »

I would have argued right wing because it's very black and white. Santa doesn't exist so shouldn't be believed in. It's not practical to believe in something that doesn't exist. That kind of thinking.

It's part of that eco lefty liberal shun all establishment type thinking. They all think they're the first people in humanity to think the way they do and they suffer from some kind of compulsion that forces them to ram their views down everyone else's throats.

It's beyond painful...

kunst nugget

sup_dude wrote: »

I would have argued right wing because it's very black and white. Santa doesn't exist so shouldn't be believed in. It's not practical to believe in something that doesn't exist. That kind of thinking.

I would have said left wing as well. Santa Claus being a symbol of rampant commercialism and all that jazz.

Medusa22

valoren wrote: »

Travelling around the whole world in one night and actually coming to your house!
Coming down your chimney with his magic dust.

This reminds me that I asked my parents the other day why they told me that Santa came in through the back door and not down our chimney, when I was a child. They told me that I wouldn't stop asking how Santa could fit down the chimney, I didn't seem to believe it was physically possible so they had to tell me that he came in through the back door. I wonder why his flying reindeer and his ability to travel around the world and deliver presents to children in one night didn't seem to puzzle me :pac:

Ave Sodalis

I guess it depends on why they don't think children should believe in Santa then so... in which case, as with religion, left/right wing isn't a factor. But then again, extreme left and extreme right are ironically both very similar.

seamus

Left/Right wing is all nonsense anyway so people can stick dissenters in boxes and pretend that they can be ignored.

The catholics hate Santa and the commercialism he represents, but you'd never call catholics left-wing.

There was thundering b*tch like that that moved into the area with her family when I was in primary school. Always causing hassle in the school, fighting with other parents, anti-religion and roaring at parents calling them liers for doing Santa with their kids. She was one awful c*nt. Nobody believed her kids anyway thankfully when they said Santa was a lie and they were shunned by everyone thanks to their mother.

They didn't last long in the area anyway, it was clear to them they weren't wanted around the place after a fairly short time.

Anyone not giving their child the magic of Santa is a rotten and disgusting parent and even worse having their kids ruining it on others. Hope the person in question in the op is ran out of the area fairly sharpish.

kunst nugget

seamus wrote: »

Left/Right wing is all nonsense anyway so people can stick dissenters in boxes and pretend that they can be ignored.

The catholics hate Santa and the commercialism he represents, but you'd never call catholics left-wing.

They do? I wondered why he never took off in Ireland…

lolokeogh

seamus wrote: »

Left/Right wing is all nonsense anyway so people can stick dissenters in boxes and pretend that they can be ignored.

The catholics hate Santa and the commercialism he represents, but you'd never call catholics left-wing.

"catholics hate santa"?? realy? jasis no one told 99.99 percent of catholics i know,realy? what a comment..lol

kunst nugget

Melany Orange Organ wrote: »

Anyone not giving their child the magic of Santa is a rotten and disgusting parent and even worse having their kids ruining it on others. Hope the person in question in the op is ran out of the area fairly sharpish.

I reckon you should organise an angry mob to get rid of them. Maybe set a couple of crosses on fire in their front garden. Let them know it's a good, Santa loving type of area.

Into The Blue

Melany Orange Organ wrote: »

Anyone not giving their child the magic of Santa is a rotten and disgusting parent and even worse having their kids ruining it on others.

Right, thats enough for me.
Good luck folks, Merry Festivus!



ps, for anyone who doesnt believe in Santa, heres proof!
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057524252&page=1

lameusername

I never would've considered this subject so divisive. Crikey.
I'll know to keep quiet if anyone starts on this topic IRL, could be a punch up!

Micky Dolenz

seamus wrote: »

Left/Right wing is all nonsense anyway so people can stick dissenters in boxes and pretend that they can be ignored.

The catholics hate Santa and the commercialism he represents, but you'd never call catholics left-wing.

relax people, I think it's called irony.

Weatherproof79

So this has turned in to right whingers V the looney left? You the know the world is F'd when a discussion on Santa and kids turns in to Right V Left lol. Get a grip

SEPT 23 1989

Not only does that type of bad b@stard tell them there is no santa but just to rub salt into the wounds they give the poor child hand made wooden toys as presents

lolokeogh

lameusername wrote: »

I never would've considered this subject so divisive. Crikey.
I'll know to keep quiet if anyone starts on this topic IRL, could be a punch up!

lol..true..i never knew so many catholic kids would be effected by the santy "lie" although i have never met one in all me travels,infact everyone who had the privilage to go through the santy years and reaching its conclusion say it was among the best times of there lifes..bbut ive also spoken to the ones who were told at 6 by there parents.there the ones with a bit of an issue.let your kids be kids,enough on this debate,

MERRY CHRISTMAS santy lovers..to the rest..mery xmas

osarusan

I love how the 'live and let live' argument actually means that 'if you are not going to do the whole Santa thing then get your kids to shut up about it so my kids can enjoy it.'

It could just as logically be 'if you are going to do the whole Santa thing then shut up about it so my kids don't have to listen.'

Nothing 'let live' about that from the other parent's perspective.

Alf Veedersane

lolokeogh wrote: »

MERRY CHRISTMAS santy lovers..to the rest..mery xmas

Santy ≠ Christ.




He's even better!!!

seamus

lolokeogh wrote: »

"catholics hate santa"?? realy? jasis no one told 99.99 percent of catholics i know,realy? what a comment..lol

The Vatican is Catholicism.

Listen to them over the new few weeks whinge on about commercialism. About how you shouldn't forget the real meaning of christmas. And all those afraid-to-tell-mammy-I-don't-really-believe people who pack themselves into churches will hear homilies about not going overboard, being thankful for what you have, helping the needy and not becoming slaves to the present-buying frenzy.

The only reason the catholics might like Santy is because without him Xmas would be the same kind of damp squib that easter is. So they get ride on his coat-tails and pretend that people are excited about Xmas because of jesus.

Azalea

osarusan wrote: »

I love how the 'live and let live' argument actually means that 'if you are not going to do the whole Santa thing then get your kids to shut up about it so my kids can enjoy it.'

It could just as logically be 'if you are going to do the whole Santa thing then shut up about it so my kids don't have to listen.'

Nothing 'let live' about that from the other parent's perspective.

Nothing live and let live about an adult imposing their politics on a five-year-old.

iguana

Swanner wrote: »

It only takes one child in a class to spoil it for the other 30 kids and anecdotally this seems to be becoming more and more common. So should we ignore that and just let the tradition die or should we protect it and pass it on to future generations.

We don't get to decide what future generations will do. I'm doing Santa with my son. I also do the Easter Bunny which is not something I grew up with but I remember wishing we did. I'll be doing the tooth fairy when he starts losing teeth. All through December the Tomte (a Swedish gnome) who lives at the top of our tree comes down and plays pranks and organises fun activities - today we're building a fort. But I can't dictate what my son will do with his children should he have them in the future. Will I be mighty disappointed if he doesn't continue on Santa? Oh yes. But do I get to have a say about it? Nope. All I can do is hope that it's so much fun for him that he wants to continue it on.

But when that jumped up little **** decides to lord it over his classmates in school and tell my kid that Santa doesn't exist, it becomes my problem and i would be well within my rights to feel that i'm having somebody else's parenting views forced on me and my family.

So you think you should force your way of parenting on people who aren't comfortable with it? Seriously? Where it leaves you is with the job of stretching your imagination a bit and making up a story that your child believes and so keeps on believing. Santa is totally awesome, most kids want to believe and it takes very little to convince them to believe in something they want to believe in. If you can't keep them believing it's either because they don't want to, or because they trust some random kid more than you. And if it's the latter Santa is the least of your worries.

Melany Orange Organ wrote: »

Anyone not giving their child the magic of Santa is a rotten and disgusting parent and even worse having their kids ruining it on others. Hope the person in question in the op is ran out of the area fairly sharpish.

Oh yeah? I've had experience of kids who were abused and neglected but their parents still did Santa. And experience of kids who were loved an cherished by great parents who just didn't feel comfortable with Santa, either because it wasn't a part of the culture they grew up with or because they didn't like lying to their children. Only one kind of parent was rotten and disgusting.

osarusan

Azalea wrote: »

Nothing live and let live about an adult imposing their politics on a five-year-old.

I don't know that politics is the right word to use, but there isn't a parent in the world that doesn't do that.

Any parent who does the Santa thing (of which I am one) is doing it just as much as one who doesn't do the Santa thing.

kunst nugget

Somehow, I don't think the debate has been passionate enough... maybe we can bring slapping into the equation?

Azalea

osarusan wrote: »

I don't know that politics is the right word to use, but there isn't a parent in the world that doesn't do that.

Any parent who does the Santa thing (of which I am one) is doing it just as much as one who doesn't do the Santa thing.

How the heck is it imposing politics on a child to give them a taste of magic and fantasy for some of their childhood? When I say politics I'm talking about parents who deny children this for anti capitalist reasons, to make their children more intellectual than their peers, to teach children hard reality - these are among some of the reasonings on this thread.

Alf Veedersane

kunst nugget wrote: »

Somehow, I don't think the debate has been passionate enough... maybe we can bring slapping into the equation?

DON'T YOU OPPRESS ME!

osarusan

Azalea wrote: »

When I say politics I'm talking about parents who deny children this for anti capitalist reasons, to make their children more intellectual than their peers, to teach children hard reality - these are among some of the reasonings on this thread.

If that's what you mean by politics then fair enough, I haven't seen the responses you are mentioning on this thread, but i haven't gone looking for them. I am not sure that the last two qualify as politics either. There may be others whose reasons for not doing Santa are less political, and they probably don't need you describing them as 'miserable ****' either.

I stand by what I said though - the 'live and let live' comments (such as yours) only seem to apply to one side of the argument, when they can equally apply to both:

I love how the 'live and let live' argument actually means that 'if you are not going to do the whole Santa thing then get your kids to shut up about it so my kids can enjoy it.'

It could just as logically be 'if you are going to do the whole Santa thing then shut up about it so my kids don't have to listen.'

The Bishop Basher

iguana wrote: »

We don't get to decide what future generations will do. I'm doing Santa with my son. I also do the Easter Bunny which is not something I grew up with but I remember wishing we did. I'll be doing the tooth fairy when he starts losing teeth. All through December the Tomte (a Swedish gnome) who lives at the top of our tree comes down and plays pranks and organises fun activities - today we're building a fort. But I can't dictate what my son will do with his children should he have them in the future. Will I be mighty disappointed if he doesn't continue on Santa? Oh yes. But do I get to have a say about it? Nope. All I can do is hope that it's so much fun for him that he wants to continue it on.

I said, "pass it on" which is exactly what you're doing. What they choose to do with it is anyone's guess but traditions are passed down through generations and of course you already know that so not sure what your point is.

iguana wrote: »

So you think you should force your way of parenting on people who aren't comfortable with it?

No. I didn't say that. I didn't even hint at that.

iguana wrote: »

If you can't keep them believing it's either because they don't want to, or because they trust some random kid more than you. And if it's the latter Santa is the least of your worries.

Or a myriad of other alternatives in between.... But hey, keep judging my parenting skills if it helps you to feel a little more superior.

iguana

Swanner wrote: »

No. I didn't say that. I didn't even hint at that.

No you just used swear words to describe children who don't believe in Santa. Denigrated parents who don't do it your way. And called their honesty a problem for you and accused them of ruining the delusion you created. So you far, far beyond hinted at it. But as I said people believe what they want to believe so you believe it's your way or the highway but don't believe that you believe it.:p

Dirty Dingus McGee

Shenshen wrote: »

Honestly now. I don't have children, but if I did why would I start telling them some nonsense about Santa Claus being real??
Has it ever occurred to people that Santa isn't exactly a global phenomenon? He certainly wasn't ever mentioned where I'm from. Why is there such outcry if someone decides to not do things exactly the same?

There were some christmas myths and stories when I grew up, but I've never witnessed such mindless determination to cling on to them and so many people hell-bent on making sure kids don't find out the truths... where is this fanatism coming from? A number of posts in the thread are downright scary.

Does it have to be a global phenomena for people to want it for their own children?

People like to keep it alive I assume because it's a harmless bit of fun for parents and their children.

The wonderul thing about childhood is that you don't have to find out the truth about how sh1tty aspects of life really are and can have a few years of simple pure enjoyment in your life.

iguana

osarusan wrote: »

I stand by what I said though - the 'live and let live' comments (such as yours) only seem to apply to one side of the argument, when they can equally apply to both:

I said live and let live a lot and I'm applying it both ways. I'm going the whole hog with imaginary creatures with my son but if other people want to be truthful with their children I understand that too. And if their children tell my son what their parents told them then that's my problem and it's up to me to handle that in the way that works out best for our family.

To be honest I want my son to know he can trust me implicitly no matter what so if I think it through fully, it doesn't sit 100% right with me to lie to him about Santa/the tooth fairy/etc. But I'm so glad my parents told me those lies and I hope that in the future my son feels the same.

Dirty Dingus McGee

osarusan wrote: »

If that's what you mean by politics then fair enough, I haven't seen the responses you are mentioning on this thread, but i haven't gone looking for them. I am not sure that the last two qualify as politics either. There may be others whose reasons for not doing Santa are less political, and they probably don't need you describing them as 'miserable ****' either.

I stand by what I said though - the 'live and let live' comments (such as yours) only seem to apply to one side of the argument, when they can equally apply to both:

Because only one of them has a negative affect on people.

Imagine if a child was adopted but wasn't old enough to be told by ther adoptive parents but in the spirit of truth the parents of other children in school told their chidren to tell the adopted children that their mammy and daddy weren't really their mammy and daddy.I mean what harm is there to that either it's just letting the truth be known.

osarusan

iguana wrote: »

I said live and let live a lot and I'm applying it both ways. I'm going the whole hog with imaginary creatures with my son but if other people want to be truthful with their children I understand that too. And if their children tell my son what their parents told them then that's my problem and it's up to me to handle that in the way that works out best for our family.

Yeah sure, I understand. That actually is 'live and let live' rather than the 'live and let live, but don't let your kids f**k up my christmas you disgusting miserable bitch' attitude we can see on here.

Seanachai

Tell them there's a new guy in town:p

iguana

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Because only one of them has a negative affect on people.

Imagine if a child was adopted but wasn't old enough to be told by ther adoptive parents but in the spirit of truth the parents of other children in school told their chidren to tell the adopted children that their mammy and daddy weren't really their mammy and daddy.I mean what harm is there to that either it's just letting the truth be known.

Afaik, it's a requirement now that adopted children always know the truth about their parentage. It's something the parents have to agree to as part of the process of being cleared to adopt. The child is never too young for the big reveal as there is no reveal, just a continuing knowledge about how they came to live with their parents.

kunst nugget

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Because only one of them has a negative affect on people.

Imagine if a child was adopted but wasn't old enough to be told by ther adoptive parents but in the spirit of truth the parents of other children in school told their chidren to tell the adopted children that their mammy and daddy weren't really their mammy and daddy.I mean what harm is there to that either it's just letting the truth be known.

Ah, seriously…

testaccount123

Melany Orange Organ wrote: »

There was thundering b*tch like that that moved into the area with her family when I was in primary school. Always causing hassle in the school, fighting with other parents, anti-religion and roaring at parents calling them liers for doing Santa with their kids. She was one awful c*nt. Nobody believed her kids anyway thankfully when they said Santa was a lie and they were shunned by everyone thanks to their mother.

They didn't last long in the area anyway, it was clear to them they weren't wanted around the place after a fairly short time.

Anyone not giving their child the magic of Santa is a rotten and disgusting parent and even worse having their kids ruining it on others. Hope the person in question in the op is ran out of the area fairly sharpish.

Post Of The Year right here folks, happy festivus - make sure you ENJOY IT ACCORDING TO THE RULES

osarusan

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Because only one of them has a negative affect on people.

Parents deciding that their Christmas festivities will not involve Santa Claus bringing presents doesn't have a negative effect on anybody.

whisky_galore

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I wonder if she ruins the oul bedtime stories as well.

Does Goldilocks get mauled to death by grizzlies?

Do Snow White and the Prince end up going through an acrimonious divorce?

That's the way they were told before the dang PC brigade changed them.

Dirty Dingus McGee

kunst nugget wrote: »

Ah, seriously…

It's an extreme example alright but I'm just pointing out that this bull**** "sure it's the truth what harm in telling them" excuse isn't really right when the only people's business is the parents of the children and perhaps others could respect other people's wishes and keep quiet about Santy.

testaccount123

osarusan wrote: »

Parents deciding that their Christmas festivities will not involve Santa Claus bringing presents doesn't have a negative effect on anybody.

God help any immigrants from places with no Santa Claus traditions, people here would have them run out of their homes

Alf Veedersane

whisky_galore wrote: »

That's the way they were told before the dang PC brigade changed them.

Snow White never divorced. The actual ending with the queen was pretty vicious though.

Dirty Dingus McGee

osarusan wrote: »

Parents deciding that their Christmas festivities will not involve Santa Claus bringing presents doesn't have a negative effect on anybody.

But potentially ruining other childrens Christmasses by telling them about Santa Claus does.

iguana

osarusan wrote: »

Yeah sure, I understand. That actually is 'live and let live' rather than the 'live and let live, but don't let your kids f**k up my christmas you miserable bitch' attitude we can see on here.

That said, if some other adult took it upon themselves to tell my son that there is no Santa I'd be furious. Like in the case last year of the vicar at a Christmas event in her parish who made a speech to a bunch of seven year olds about Santa being pretend.

Azalea

osarusan wrote: »

If that's what you mean by politics then fair enough, I haven't seen the responses you are mentioning on this thread, but i haven't gone looking for them. I am not sure that the last two qualify as politics either. There may be others whose reasons for not doing Santa are less political, and they probably don't need you describing them as 'miserable ****' either.

I stand by what I said though - the 'live and let live' comments (such as yours) only seem to apply to one side of the argument, when they can equally apply to both:

The only place I said live and let live was when I said I'm a live and let live person once people aren't being harmed or wronged, e.g. denying a small child the excitement most children their age get to enjoy.

I can't think of anything more appropriate than miserable **** for someone who is being just that.

iguana

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Snow White never divorced. The actual ending with the queen was pretty vicious though.

You should read Fables. There is only one Prince Charming so he has 3 ex wives, Snow White, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. And they regularly get together for drinks and compare stories of how awful he is. (Snow White wins because their marriage ended when he screwed her sister Rose Red.):cool:

Alf Veedersane

iguana wrote: »

You should read Fables. There is only one Prince Charming so he has 3 ex wives, Snow White, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. And they regularly get together for drinks and compare stories of how awful he is. (Snow White wins because their marriage ended when he screwed her sister Rose Red.):cool:

I've had a quick gander at it before alright

osarusan

Azalea wrote: »

The only place I said live and let live was when I said I'm a live and let live person once people aren't being harmed or wronged, e.g. denying a small child the excitement most children their age get to enjoy.

I can't think of anything more appropriate than miserable **** for someone who is being just that.

You think it harms a child to not make Santa Claus part of celebrating Christmas in that house?

kunst nugget

iguana wrote: »

That said, if some other adult took it upon themselves to tell my son that there is no Santa I'd be furious. Like in the case last year of the vicar at a Christmas event in her parish who made a speech to a bunch of seven year olds about Santa being pretend.

But like you said, you sort that out yourself with your kid - you'll know yourself what is appropriate. Some of the stuff being said on here about parents who don't want to do the whole Santa thing with their kids is pure mental. One poster suggesting a family be run out of town because of it? Bloody hell!

osarusan

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But potentially ruining other childrens Christmasses by telling them about Santa Claus does.

The corollary is that it works the other way round too - those kids talking about all the wonderful stuff they got from Santa could upset that family who don't practice that.

This is why I said that 'live and let live' needs to work both ways, and why you're wrong to say that there is no negative consequence (to kids of other families) of a family making Santa part of their Christmas.

kunst nugget

Azalea wrote: »

The only place I said live and let live was when I said I'm a live and let live person once people aren't being harmed or wronged, e.g. denying a small child the excitement most children their age get to enjoy.

I can't think of anything more appropriate than miserable **** for someone who is being just that.

I'm going to give the Hindu family down the road major shít when I get home because they don't have Santa visiting their kids at Christmas. The vegetarian scum won't be even having turkey and ham. Bastards.

iguana

kunst nugget wrote: »

But like you said, you sort that out yourself with your kid - you'll know yourself what is appropriate. Some of the stuff being said on here about parents who don't want to do the whole Santa thing with their kids is pure mental. One poster suggesting a family be run out of town because of it? Bloody hell!

Yup totally ridiculous. But if I ever meet a child who's parents have told him/her that Santa isn't real I wouldn't try to contradict them. I'd just tell the child that we believe in him and later talk to my child when we're alone to do what it took to reassure him that Santa is real if that's what he still wants to believe in. Equally I expect other parents to respect what I've decided to tell my son and not take it upon themselves to contradict me. If an adult does tell my son that Santa isn't real I'm sure I can deal with it, but there is a pretty good chance that I would be avoiding that adult being anywhere near any of my family again. Not just because they 'ruined Christmas' but because they don't respect my role as the parent of my child.