UCL Wolfsburg v Manchester United match thread

NomadicGray

Unearthly wrote: »

Linesman instructed by Dante what to do 30 seconds later

You could see him pointing towards the box and presumably taking to his work mates about what happened before anyone came over

adox

FutureGuy wrote: »

Mata maybe obscuring the goalkeeper from an offside position. Not sure why else?

Looked like he threw a little dummy as well which is a definite movement to play the ball.
No way that goal could have stood.

Andersonisgod

That's an almost perfect example of why this new offside rule is in effect. Benaglio clearly hesitates, anticipating a touch from Mata, as such he's interfered with play while in an offside position, thus it's offside. The only thing I'm confused about is why it took the linesman so long to reach that decision, I suppose to determine if the referee believed Mata interfered with play.

Bridge93

Nalz wrote: »

Correct call but we'll done? Would he have called it if the Wolfsburg players hadn't ran over?

If it's the correct call then yes it's well done. You think he should have given the wrong decision? What he would've done at the other end is irrelevant to this being a good call. Same whether the players run over or not. He's talking to the ref

LuckyLloyd

The comfort for Utd is that Wolfsburg don't look in anyway solid at the back and seem committed to streaming forward on the break. So there are goals there. Plus any sort of CSKA goal sends them through right now.

adox

Canadel wrote: »

2-1 a fair result at half time. Utd would have taken that before the game. Still going to require a lot of luck to qualify/score etc.

What?

Nalz

jaykay74 wrote: »

are you thick ?

You my friend just bit

LuckyLloyd

Canadel wrote: »

2-1 a fair result at half time. Utd would have taken that before the game. Still going to require a lot of luck to qualify/score etc.

jaykay74 wrote: »

are you thick ?

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

what a ****ing retarded statement

adox wrote: »

What?

Ha! We're all having fun eh? :pac:

castletownman

Surely I'm not the only one who sees a lack of leadership in Smalling? I mean he has stepped up manfully to the task this year I will concede, but just seems a bit.....too nice or something to be really top drawer. Was equally guilty for ball watching for Wolfsburg's second, and got badly caught up the field for the Draxler chance soon after.

Just a thought. Maybe Schneiderlin in front of him has been a big factor in United's defensive security.

Turtyturd

NomadicGray wrote: »

You could see him pointing towards the box and presumably taking to his work mates about what happened before anyone came over

Fairly clear almost as soon as the ball went in that he was talking to them despite what Owen Hargreaves says.

PhlegmyMoses

Home decision from the Lino there. Happens I guess.

Basti and Blind letting themselves down badly but the high press system on display does not suit slow players like them.

Memphis having an utter shocker tonight.

XR3i

score?

Alex Meier

Very poor from Mata.

He's in an offside position as he can see right across the line.

So what does he do?

He runs FORWARD.

Andersonisgod

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Home decision from the Lino there. Happens I guess.

Basti and Blind letting themselves down badly but the high press system on display does not suit slow players like them.

Memphis having an utter shocker tonight.

LOL no. It's the correct decision. It's likely to be the type of example they will show referees of what constitutes as offside and that certainly does under these new rules.

StringerBell

Edit: On seeing the full replay, the lino ignores Dante, he has been in conversation with the ref from the moment it happened.

keane2097

Refs apparently now having to be instantaneous as well as flawless. Tough job.

Turtyturd

Linesman doesn't even look at Dante .

NomadicGray

glued wrote: »

There should be a position opening. This is arguably the weakest group in the CL. Wolfsburg and PSV probably won't get to the quarter finals. We're miles off being competitive in the CL and playing football that Moyes would be proud of. How can you trust van Gaal with more money when this is the production of his philosophy?

I read this week they're willing to pass over Pep to keep lvg will only be staying for another season anyways. Not a big pep fan but that's crazy if they really think that way

keane2097

Turtyturd wrote: »

Linesman doesn't even look at Dante .

Yeah he's clearly talking past Dante to the ref while taking the time they need to make the correct decision.

StringerBell

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The comfort for Utd is that Wolfsburg don't look in anyway solid at the back and seem committed to streaming forward on the break. So there are goals there. Plus any sort of CSKA goal sends them through right now.

adox

I presumed the fourth official got involved through their high tech ear piece thingy.


Either way it's all simmantics. The goal should never have stood.

Pro. F

Andersonisgod wrote: »

That's an almost perfect example of why this new offside rule is in effect. Benaglio clearly hesitates, anticipating a touch from Mata, as such he's interfered with play while in an offside position, thus it's offside. The only thing I'm confused about is why it took the linesman so long to reach that decision, I suppose to determine if the referee believed Mata interfered with play.

Lino probably wasn't able to tell how close Mata was to the ball from his side-on angle. The linesman could see Mata was offside from his angle and the ref could see that he was near the path of the ball from his angle, hence them talking to each other before the decision.

NomadicGray

StringerBell wrote: »

The ref pointed for a goal, the linesman doesn't flag. Dante tells the linesman what to do and the goal is wiped off.

Lino appears to be debating with the ref before Dante comes over, so, no.

adox

Huge 45 minutes for Van Gaal. Fail to get out of the group and I don't think he will see out his contract.

SuperTortoise

StringerBell wrote: »

The ref pointed for a goal, the linesman doesn't flag. Dante tells the linesman what to do and the goal is wiped off.

Sucks balls tbh, right decision probably but no way Dante should be influencing it like that, particularly after the linesman never flagged and the ref awarded the goal.

From the replay the linesman seems to raise his hand in the direction of the other official behind the goal looking for conformation the player was inteferring with play, i think the linesman thought it was offside he just wanted conformation, either way right call in the end.

gandalf

Brendan Rogers for United Manager :P

StringerBell

NomadicGray wrote: »

Lino appears to be debating with the ref before Dante comes over, so, no.

Yeah I edited my post

madcabbage

Carrick on for the second half to compliment Mata.

Lord TSC

adox wrote: »

Huge 45 minutes for Van Gaal. Fail to get out of the group and I don't think he will see out his contract.

Be interesting. A loss and I may just not come on boards for a few days. :P

gandalf

gandalf wrote: »

Deluded Brendan for United Manager :P

Fyp

GavRedKing

Huge call.

Kerrydude1981

The official on the end line pointing to the ref when the Wolfsburg keeper came over to him like to say

"noting to do with me mate I didn't see it"

Strumms

Replay there suggested the ref had awarded the goal. The Lino should have flagged immediately and then they could have had the conversation. Not after the goal was awarded as the replay clearly showed.

zarquon

I see a lot of Liverpool fans in here hoping for the ultimate embarassment to United of having to play in the same European competition as their own team!!

Amirani

Strumms wrote: »

Replay there suggested the ref had awarded the goal. The Lino should have flagged immediately and then they could have had the conversation. Not after the goal was awarded as the replay clearly showed.

The assistant referee's job is to flag when he sees an offside, not when he wants to have a discussion. If he flagged straight away then the ref gives offside.

I see no problem with how they did it - they got it right.

Alex Meier

Strumms wrote: »

Replay there suggested the ref had awarded the goal. The Lino should have flagged immediately and then they could have had the conversation. Not after the goal was awarded as the replay clearly showed.

Perfectly ok to award a goal (If that indeed did happen) and then change your mind.

I was at a Bundesliga match where the referee awarded a penalty and then changed his mind moments later.

Liam McPoyle

Fellaini, barring his chance has been anonymous.

Alex Meier

zarquon wrote: »

I see a lot of Liverpool fans in here hoping for the ultimate embarassment to United of having to play in the same European competition as their own team!!

I'd say there are a few United fans who would feel that if this gets rid of LvG at the end of the season then it might be a bullet worth taking.

How Soon Is Now

Business Cat wrote: »

Fellaini, barring his chance has been anonymous.

Being anonymous would be an improvement for him. Being there he's just in the way. Sure he blocked a chance mata had on goal in first half.

He's such an awkward ****e. No wonder Van Gaal sticks with him.

Michael D Not Higgins

This ref is rubbish, what's with this letting Depay play on then calling back for a free?

TheTownie

Permutation table for anyone struggling

LuckyGent88

See Memphis you can use your left so stop being so predictable

Liam McPoyle

Alex Meier wrote: »

I'd say there are a few United fans who would feel that if this gets rid of LvG at the end of the season then it might be a bullet worth taking.

You seem to be pretty much the only one thats been banging that drum tbh.

irishchris

What a rubbish set of officials. Ref send to have whistle such in his throat as he is blowing whistle so often

dubmick

Why is Martial coming do deep? Only striker, stay up there. Maybe someone on the bench could give him some direction....yeah right.

Alex Meier

TheTownie wrote: »

Permutation table for anyone struggling

i.e. . . . PSV just have to better United's result to knock them out.

StringerBell

I love how we are under the impression there is no hurry to get a goal

glued

Take off Lingard please

LuckyGent88

Why delay the cross lingard??!! Get the ball in the box

GreNoLi

Lingard is a championship level player at most.