Occupy...Brown Thomas

smash

end of the road wrote: »

would be to costly and could make the situation worse. the gardai handled the situation very well and the right way

The Gardai should have herded them in to the back of a van and dropped them off to roam free half way up the Dublin mountains!

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Or pushed it off a cliff.

haveringchick

end of the road wrote: »

would be to costly and could make the situation worse. the gardai handled the situation very well and the right way


yes as its a fact that i have to keep repeating because some don't seem to get it

Were you not even a teeny bit disappointed EOTR when your boy P Murphy had to admit that he'd paid his LPT?
You know, when he sold his house to move to a much bigger better house far far away from the Jobstown misfortunates that he led , like the pied piper of Tallaght all the way to the gates of Mountjoy?
A lovelyChristmas those poor divils will have , wondering what's going to happen while their glorious dear Leader enjoys a lavish Christmas in his glossy new home!

HeidiHeidi

end of the road wrote: »

would be to costly and could make the situation worse. the gardai handled the situation very well and the right way

What would be more costly about it than hordes of gardai rambling around after them up and down Grafton St?

yes as its a fact that i have to keep repeating because some don't seem to get it

A bit like the question that I had to keep asking you in the Daly/Wallace thread, that you still haven't answered?

end of the road

haveringchick wrote: »

Were you not even a teeny bit disappointed EOTR when your boy P Murphy had to admit that he'd paid his LPT?
You know, when he sold his house to move to a much bigger better house far far away from the Jobstown misfortunates that he led , like the pied piper of Tallaght all the way to the gates of Mountjoy?
A lovelyChristmas those poor divils will have , wondering what's going to happen while their glorious dear Leader enjoys a lavish Christmas in his glossy new home!

why would i have an issue with paul murphy enjoying the fruits of his labour? it doesn't make his message and his stance less valid.

haveringchick

end of the road wrote: »

why would i have an issue with paul murphy enjoying the fruits of his labour? it doesn't make his message and his stance less valid.

Of course your right! How foolish of me! Why wouldn't the self appointed messiah of the down trodden persecuted victims of Capitalism live in a plush gated community far away from were they are?
Sure, were else would he live!

Red Kev

end of the road wrote: »

Paul Murphy is doing a great job and is a breath of fresh air. he is an alternative to the same old. derek has been a great spokes person for the movement as a whole. yes he has made mistakes but he has admitted them, said sorry, and faced up to them, and took whatever came. he stands up for what he believes in.

I disagree. The anti water protests were doing fine until certain politicians and personalities decided to use them ad a personal vote getter and ego trip. When demonstrations were held on a Saturday in dozens of towns across te country 150,000 showed up. TD's saw people they knew on the streets and the first concessions were made.

This was changed to Dublin based protests so politicians could get their faces on TV. Consequently less people showed up. Those who did make the 3 hour trip from the country were blocked for several hours because some gobshltes decided to block a few intersections. Consequently less people showed up the next time.

People want to get involved in peaceful protest, but not the shlte that Derek Byrne or Paul Murphy get involved in. Ordinary people will walk away from that very quickly.

As it stands Murphy & Byrne and their cohorts have alienated huge amounts of people and a movement that had started to gain concessions has now little popular support. That is desperately bad management and is their failure.

Just think about this: let's say on the first Saturday of every second month there were nationwide protests in every town, organised by ordinary community groups (not by politicians), marching to government TD's offices. How much would this affect TD's, councillors and how much would this influence government policy. A damn sight more than what Murphy and Byrne have done, that's for sure.

smash wrote: »

The Gardai should have herded them in to the back of a van and dropped them off to roam free half way up the Dublin mountains!

There's enough illegal dumping of rubbish up there without doing that as well.

Bubbaclaus

Too funny. At least they weren't being gob****es for once blocking traffic in our nations capital

end of the road

Red Kev wrote: »

I disagree. The anti water protests were doing fine until certain politicians and personalities decided to use them ad a personal vote getter and ego trip. When demonstrations were held on a Saturday in dozens of towns across te country 150,000 showed up. TD's saw people they knew on the streets and the first concessions were made.

This was changed to Dublin based protests so politicians could get their faces on TV. Consequently less people showed up. Those who did make the 3 hour trip from the country were blocked for several hours because some gobshltes decided to block a few intersections. Consequently less people showed up the next time.

People want to get involved in peaceful protest, but not the shlte that Derek Byrne or Paul Murphy get involved in. Ordinary people will walk away from that very quickly.

As it stands Murphy & Byrne and their cohorts have alienated huge amounts of people and a movement that had started to gain concessions has now little popular support. That is desperately bad management and is their failure.

Just think about this: let's say on the first Saturday of every second month there were nationwide protests in every town, organised by ordinary community groups (not by politicians), marching to government TD's offices. How much would this affect TD's, councillors and how much would this influence government policy. A damn sight more than what Murphy and Byrne have done, that's for sure.

the people who decided to stop supporting the movement were the people who decided to pay and support the water charge after all. they were going to do that anyway, its just convenient to blame paul murphy and derek for something those people decided to do. they could have still had the protests in the towns if they genuinely felt strongly about it. they didn't, so the protest stopped. if you decided to support the water charge because of 2 people thats your fault and frankly you were never really against the charge anyway

Red Kev

end of the road wrote: »

the people who decided to stop supporting the movement were the people who decided to pay and support the water charge after all. they were going to do that anyway, its just convenient to blame paul murphy and derek for something those people decided to do. they could have still had the protests in the towns if they genuinely felt strongly about it. they didn't, so the protest stopped. if you decided to support the water charge because of 2 people thats your fault and frankly you were never really against the charge anyway

You're wrong. Most people I know in Roscomnon didn't pay it. They were prepared to support a movement to a point, when it got threatening and nasty a lot of people left as they don't want to be associated with it.

7 coaches left from Roscomnon town alone to go to a protest in Dublin, left at 8.30 am, thanks to the twats on the bridge they got back at 1.30 in the morning instead of 9.00 pm. That's when people lose interest.

Not having local demos was a decision by the politicians in Dublin who are using the protest to further their owns careers and standing. You can't argue that the numbers have gone down massively. That's their fault.

BTW I don't pay water rates as our water is still undrinkable and will be undrinkable till late 2017.