'Japanese Role Playing Games are Terrible!'

sheep?

'This is a JRPG, here be phallic swords, emotionally distraught teenagers, incoherent stories and a universal decree on the amount of hair gel one should liberally apply every morning'. :pac:

o1s1n

sheep? wrote: »

'This is a JRPG, here be phallic swords, emotionally distraught teenagers, incoherent stories and a universal decree on the amount of hair gel one should liberally apply every morning'. :pac:

Still more interesting than Lord of the Rings 2.0

Retr0gamer

o1s1n wrote: »

No mention of Phantasy Star IV or PDS? I are disappoint. :pac:

Apart from the Fallout series I never really majorly got into any WRPGs at all. Just find them bland in comparison to JRPGs. The ones I have tried fall too much into genre stereotypes. 'This is a fantasy game, there be dragons and wizards, this is a sci fi game, there be spaceships and lasers yadda yadda'.

Each to their own I guess!

I was picking ones that are easy to get hold of now but Phantasy Star and Panzer Dragoon Saga would be well up there as my favourites.

I find a lot of western RPGs are also very much bland and trope ridden just like JRPGs but again there's also a lot that fall outside the usual Lord of the rings retelling. Even when Bioware did sci-fi with Mass Effect they couldn't help but tell the same fantasy story they always tell with a sci Fi skin over it. Still if there's enough good narrative choice then the tropey story doesn't bother me but I find Bioware really fall down there as well.

penev10

Deleted User wrote: »

The biggest complaint I hear is, "I don't like turn based combat". All your games fall into that category. What can you say to someone who has no time for turn-based RPG's.

Play Dark Souls or if you don't fancy a challenge then Dragons Dogma. If you have to have guns then Mass Effect is decent enough or better still try Fallout.

penev10

penev10 wrote: »

Play Dark Souls or if you don't fancy a challenge then Dragons Dogma. If you have to have guns then Mass Effect is decent enough or better still try Fallout.

Are any of those JRPG's?

penev10

Deleted User wrote: »

Are any of those JRPG's?

Thought you were looking for non turn-based RPGs?

I suppose the ones quoted are more western RPGs but the definitions aren't exactly set in stone.

Retr0gamer

Deleted User wrote: »

The biggest complaint I hear is, "I don't like turn based combat". All your games fall into that category. What can you say to someone who has no time for turn-based RPG's.

Turn based combat is far better than any real time game... If you are playing the right games. If you are basing this on just Final Fantasy then you need to try something like Nocturne, Grandia or Persona which have except strategic and fast paced turn based combat. If you liked XCom then try Tactics Ogre or Valkyria Chronicles. Final Fantasy has pretty poor turn based combat were you win most fights mashing X.

There's also the Xenoblade games which are real time with MMO type battle systems.

penev10

penev10 wrote: »

Thought you were looking for non turn-based RPGs?

I suppose the ones quoted are more western RPGs but the definitions aren't exactly set in stone.

My favourite game of all time is that list, Chrono Trigger. I was just stating what I hear my friends often say when any JRPG comes up.

Retr0gamer

Sorry should have read it correctly.

penev10

Deleted User wrote: »

My favourite game of all time is that list, Chrono Trigger. I was just stating what I hear my friends often say when any JRPG comes up.

I read it wrong too!

I suppose if they don't like turn-based combat then they don't like turn-based combat. If their only exposure has been to FF then they're not giving it a fair crack of the whip and should try some better examples of which there are many.

Oh and a JRPG with real time combat just popped into my head - Nier! Real rough diamond that one.

Retr0gamer

A lot of people I hear I don't like turn based combat in JRPGs love the crap out of the new XCom where the dev team said some of the biggest influence for the game came from JRPGs like Tactics Ogre, FF Tactics and Valkyria Chronicles.

Nier is indeed fantastic but it's more action game for me closer to Zelda, there's very little RPG elements.

I think part of what defines the genre is the combat systems. JRPGs are not just RPGs that come from Japan.

Like Dragons dogma, and dark souls are RPG's and they come from Japan but no one would ever call them JRPG's

Retr0gamer

Deleted User wrote: »

I think part of what defines the genre is the combat systems. JRPGs are not just RPGs that come from Japan.

Like Dragons dogma, and dark souls are RPG's and they come from Japan but no one would ever call them JRPG's

Plenty of JRPGs have real time combat systems though. Look at most of the Tri-Ace games, they specialise in real-time, The Mana games before they got **** and MMO type stuff like FF12 or Xenoblade. I'd definitely classify them as JRPGs.

K.O.Kiki

sheep? wrote: »

'This is a JRPG, here be phallic swords, emotionally distraught teenagers, incoherent stories and a universal decree on the amount of hair gel one should liberally apply every morning'. :pac:

Penn

Have watched some gameplay videos of some of the games mentioned in the first few posts.

Did nothing but confirm what I already thought; I dislike the style of the games, the style of the characters, the presentation of story, and the gameplay. I'm sure if you invest enough time in them, you enjoy them more and gain an appreciation for them, but the same can be said for almost any genre and I'd much rather spend that time on games I know I'll have a much better chance of enjoying.

Links234

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Trust me, you don't want to play FF13.

Well tough, I just snagged myself a copy.

Interested Observer

Wow what a thread. Will read it at my leisure.

kunst nugget

Links234 wrote: »

Well tough, I just snagged myself a copy.

I picked up a copy of Final Fantasy XIII-2 for a euro in Tesco about a year or so ago and I put it on at the weekend in honour of this thread as it's the only JRPG I own on the PS3 besides retrogamer's favourite, Ni no kuni. I fell asleep during the opening sequence…

Mr.Saturn

It depends on how narrow one's definition of JRPG happens to be. Whilst one can arrive at the letters 'JRPG' and have a litany of preconceptions as to what that exactly entails, even though it's not really defined beyond it: a) being an RPG, predominantly turn-based and being made in Japan (the insight, lads). There are examples like the Mother series, Super Mario RPG/Mario & Luigi/Paper Mario and even Pokemon demonstrate how it's a genre ripe for fun-times.

super_furry

It's weird but I actually find JRPGs better suited to handhelds these days. Currently playing through Trails in the Sky and couldn't imagine playing it on a big screen and I honestly can't articulate why. Maybe because for that game in particular the smaller screen is more forgiving for the graphics.

One thing I do know that I'm not keen on is the lack of open worlds. I know it's a design choice but it feels that Western RPGs have moved forward with bigger worlds that you're free to explore, get lost in and discover things like Skyrim and the Witcher. JRPGs by contrast seem to be a much more linear and tailored experience, bringing you from A to B to C with no room for deviation.

Retr0gamer

That depends on the RPG though. There's plenty of JRPGs that offer open worlds, just look at the Xenoblade games for two examples while a lot of WRPGs don't really make good use of their open world, Bioware games being bad examples of that, they may have large areas to explore but outside of the linear main quest (and a few linear side quests) it's kind of wasted.

Thargor

4 pages and it hasn't been posted yet?

Im the same as a lot of people, loved Chrono Trigger and the Final Fantasies and all the others back in the day (is Pokemon a JRPG?), Fire Emblem, load of others I cant remember, playing a good JRPG on a GBA SP or DS in bed with my headphones used to be the pinnacle of gaming for me when I was a kid but as I got older I started to despise them, they're so repetitive its almost aggressive, like the developer is saying fcuk you, we couldn't be bothered thinking of anything new so eat this bowl of gruel again for the fiftieth time, I know its a cultural thing and that's just how the Asians like to consume their media but I cant stand it anymore, same for Anime and Manga.

Retr0gamer

You're probably just playing the wrong JRPGs. While many of them play very traditionally lots of them are very progressive such as Xenoblade and Persona. I actually wouldn't be a fan of the more traditional games either.

Sephiroth_dude

I miss turn based combat, i loved how in ff10 your switch in and out characters.