David Norris - Social welfare shouldn't be spent on alcohol

Sheeps

i support this. reduce the price for those with jobs and outright ban it for people on social benefits. see how quickly people start getting jobs when this is brought in.

BenedrylPete

They shouldn't be drinking.
they should be working out at the steam and barbell gym in norris' building.

topper75

Tabnabs wrote: »

The other political scroungers (PBP) are not happy to have their entitlements questioned

https://twitter.com/KarlGill/status/675281686310068224

From "workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains" to "everyone's entitled to a drink".

The political left has come a long way.
And I don't mean up.

Swiftly

Must find my Santa suit, fill my bag with bottles of vodka and stand outside the dole office handing out presents to harshly judged. I'll dedicate it to all the moaning snobs. Merry Crimbo

Penny Tration

Pizzle wrote: »

Doesn't that imply they are on too much dole then?

No. Some small social life is considered essential to one's wellbeing. So if someone on the dole can get a cheap bottle of wine now and then to have a drink with their mate, they're getting too much money?

Bread and water for all!

Jim Bob Scratcher

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/tds-drunk-dail-warns-mary-2066719

Drink up lads

Specialun

is this the same david norris that was bleating on about equality a few months ago when he was looking for a yes vote

Hermy

Specialun wrote: »

is this the same david norris that was bleating on about equality a few months ago when he was looking for a yes vote

He only wants equality for himself.

Son Of A Vidic

Judging by his most recent verbal ejaculations, it looks like Mr Norris has been struck down with a case of Trumpitis.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Pretty idiotic statement, of which, many will agree with.

For many, the dole = fun free zone.

c_man

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Judging by his most recent verbal ejaculations, it looks like Mr Norris has been struck down with a case of Trumpitis.

He's just missing the limelight I reckon. RTE used to have near weekly interviews with him,
"Tell us about the first time you met Ezra"
Oh ffs *switch channel*

golfball37

Ezra, ejaculations and Norris all in the one post above...You'd be forgiven for thinking it was 2011:)

c_man

golfball37 wrote: »

Ezra, ejaculations and Norris all in the one post above...You'd be forgiven for thinking it was 2011:)

Err, sure you would... Care to elaborate?

suicide_circus

He's still mad he didn't get into the aras.

DellyBelly

Isn't he claiming disability benefir himself. Don't think he's worked a proper job in years so he's getting social welfare himself. However I do agree a a little with his statement. The local pub close to me is always busy during the day and I'd say 75% of those in there pinting and bettin on the horses are on the dole...

Son Of A Vidic

suicide_circus wrote: »

He's still mad he didn't get into the aras.

I read that as arse.

quinnd6

He's stereotyping and trying to dictate to all unemployed people here.
This kind of garbage should be unacceptable.
I used to think he seemed ok.
How wrong I was.
It will be a pleasure to vote the whole lot of them out of government.
When's the next election coming up?

MRnotlob606

quinnd6 wrote: »

He's stereotyping and trying to dictate to all unemployed people here.
This kind of garbage should be unacceptable.
I used to think he seemed ok.
How wrong I was.
It will be a pleasure to vote the whole lot of them out of government.
When's the next election coming up?

He's an self aggrandizing eegit.

foggy_lad

donegaLroad wrote: »

he had a liver transplant a couple of years ago, not because of excessive alcohol, but cancer (I think). Im guessing he will have seen and heard it all regarding Ireland's excessive drinking and the burden it is putting on the health service especially renal depts in hospitals.

He will certainly have heard it all from the consultants and heptologists he has been dealing with.

He has hepatitis from "dirty water" not dirty sex!

DellyBelly wrote: »

Isn't he claiming disability benefir himself. Don't think he's worked a proper job in years so he's getting social welfare himself. However I do agree a a little with his statement. The local pub close to me is always busy during the day and I'd say 75% of those in there pinting and bettin on the horses are on the dole...

Ah yes he is claiming disability benefit plus getting his full salary as senator.

this rather nasty and obnoxious insignificant little man has been just about forgotten about by the media and every now and then he will let his need for the limelight get the better of discretion and will come out with this kind of drivel so that he gets to appear in "the journal" or other insignificant media outlets.

The truth is that after he almost bankrupted himself trying to become Queen President of Ireland people saw him for what he really is, he is the same as "Bags of Money" off the prime time show! He takes all that his position has to offer and will milk it for expenses and more as long as his pox-ridden body sucks air.

recylingbin

He's been awfully quiet since he cried on every media outlet about the injustice of abolishing the senate. Promised reform f it was kept. Where is this reform?

NachoBusiness

I don't think the dole = fun free zone but I do agree with the sentiments of his statement. I too see people living in my area buying bags of cans all the God damn time while their kids run after them filthy and clearly in need of so much more than they are getting. It fcuking sickens me that these people can use the money that is given to them to support their family and instead use it to buy alcohol / heroin all week.

I firmly believe that there is no need to give people on the dole cash. I believe people on the dole should be given a card with cash credits which can only be used in certain places and for certain goods. They can save these cash credits and buy pretty much whatever they want. I would allow the card to be used in all major supermarkets, department stores, cinemas, petrol stations, utility providers etc etc but I would not allow the purchasing of certain items like alcohol and cigarettes (*above a certain limit each day*). The credits on alcohol I would not allow to be saved up and used in one go either.

Of course people would find loopholes by buying goods with their credit and selling it on for cash but so be it. It would be worth it in the long run I think as I feel restricting what benefits can be spent on would result in more kids getting fed better quality food and getting their day to day needs met in so many other areas too. These people buy cheap crap and shove it down their kids necks just so they can afford more alcohol / drugs. Kids go without so mammy and daddy can live the life of an alco or a junkie and it needs to stop. I am not suggesting that all people on the dole are either of these by the way but that's of minor importance as such a such a system, if done well, shouldn't hinder someone even if they were teetotal as they would still be able to buy whatever they want to buy, but there would just be small restriction on where.

suicide_circus

recylingbin wrote: »

He's been awfully quiet since he cried on every media outlet about the injustice of abolishing the senate. Promised reform f it was kept. Where is this reform?

He is a career politician, otherwise known as a complete horse shìt merchant.

Swiftly

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I don't think the dole = fun free zone but I do agree with the sentiments of his statement. I too see people living in my area buying bags of cans all the God damn time while their kids run after them filthy and clearly in need of so much more than they are getting. It fcuking sickens me that these people can use the money that is given to them to support their family and instead use it to buy alcohol / heroin all week.

I firmly believe that there is no need to give people on the dole cash. I believe people on the dole should be given a card with cash credits which can only be used in certain places and for certain goods. They can save these cash credits and buy pretty much whatever they want. I would allow the card to be used in all major supermarkets, department stores, cinemas, petrol stations, utility providers etc etc but I would not allow the purchasing of certain items like alcohol and cigarettes (*above a certain limit each day*). The credits on alcohol I would not allow to be saved up and used in one go either.

Of course people would find loopholes by buying goods with their credit and selling it on for cash but so be it. It would be worth it in the long run I think as I feel restricting what benefits can be spent on would result in more kids getting fed better quality food and getting their day to day needs met in so many other areas too. These people buy cheap crap and shove it down their kids necks just so they can afford more alcohol / drugs. Kids go without so mammy and daddy can live the life of an alco or a junkie and it needs to stop. I am not suggesting that all people on the dole are either of these by the way but that's of minor importance as such a such a system, if done well, shouldn't hinder someone even if they were teetotal as they would still be able to buy whatever they want to buy, but there would just be small restriction on where.

So everyone one the dole drinks all week, takes heroine all week and neglects their kids? God I'd rather be on the dole than be that judgemental. Some people

c_man

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I would allow the card to be used in all major supermarkets, department stores, cinemas, petrol stations, utility providers etc etc but I would not allow the purchasing of certain items like alcohol and cigarettes (*above a certain limit each day*).
......
Of course people would find loopholes..

I remember the local shop down the road used to accept butter vouchers for fags when I was a young lad. There's always loopholes, cash seems a far easier method than all the associated overhead of implementing and policing your system.

suicide_circus

Swiftly wrote: »

So everyone one the dole drinks all week, takes heroine all week and neglects their kids? God I'd rather be on the dole than be that judgemental. Some people

Lazy strawman

Swiftly

suicide_circus wrote: »

Lazy strawman

Cliched bigot

suicide_circus

Swiftly wrote: »

Cliched bigot

Care to quote where I said something bigotted?

Dyr

Is timmy taxpayer subsidizing his only goorjoos georgian gaff?

Swiftly

suicide_circus wrote: »

Care to quote where I said something bigotted?

You played the strawman card bs. The other person said she sees people on the dole drinking and taking heroine all week and neglecting their kids so everyone on the dole shouldn't get cash to spend. So I asked do all people on the dole neglect their kids drink etc? so you're right you aren't a bigot you're just a stupid ****

DellyBelly

DellyBelly wrote: »

Isn't he claiming disability benefir himself. Don't think he's worked a proper job in years so he's getting social welfare himself. However I do agree a a little with his statement. The local pub close to me is always busy during the day and I'd say 75% of those in there pinting and bettin on the horses are on the dole...

They must be good at gambling.

foggy_lad

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I don't think the dole = fun free zone but I do agree with the sentiments of his statement. I too see people living in my area buying bags of cans all the God damn time while their kids run after them filthy and clearly in need of so much more than they are getting. It fcuking sickens me that these people can use the money that is given to them to support their family and instead use it to buy alcohol / heroin all week.

Some people are just not capable of living the "normal" life of sitting in all weekend when money is tight, many of these people have mental health issues and would be out breaking up the place if they didn't get a bit pissed as it seems to calm them into a stupor.

Years ago many of these dysfunctional people would be in the care of the state and would have been rendered incapable of reproducing by means of chemical castration etc so they were not the problem that they seem to be nowadays.

I firmly believe that there is no need to give people on the dole cash. I believe people on the dole should be given a card with cash credits which can only be used in certain places and for certain goods. They can save these cash credits and buy pretty much whatever they want. I would allow the card to be used in all major supermarkets, department stores, cinemas, petrol stations, utility providers etc etc but I would not allow the purchasing of certain items like alcohol and cigarettes (*above a certain limit each day*). The credits on alcohol I would not allow to be saved up and used in one go either.

Give them everything except their dignity!

What if the card is lost or stolen? or simply doesn't scan properly due to our usual governmental way of fooking up all good systems that come their way?

Hitler had similar systems in place for the poor unfortunates in Poland, Hungary and all over Germany that they put into labour camps and death camps.

Of course people would find loopholes by buying goods with their credit and selling it on for cash but so be it. It would be worth it in the long run I think as I feel restricting what benefits can be spent on would result in more kids getting fed better quality food and getting their day to day needs met in so many other areas too. These people buy cheap crap and shove it down their kids necks just so they can afford more alcohol / drugs. Kids go without so mammy and daddy can live the life of an alco or a junkie and it needs to stop. I am not suggesting that all people on the dole are either of these by the way but that's of minor importance as such a such a system, if done well, shouldn't hinder someone even if they were teetotal as they would still be able to buy whatever they want to buy, but there would just be small restriction on where.

These people buy cheep crap because it is all they can afford after other bills and household items are covered as well as pairs of shoes, clothes and winter coats for children and then there is always notes home inviting them to pay for their childrens "free" education!

People should try to live on fook all and still pay all the bills and rent etc as well as make sure santa appears in some form before calling everyone on the dole a waster and sponging Dutch Gold lush!

readytosnap

Asked by presenter Ivan Yates if he was proposing that people on welfare should not be allowed to buy a drink, Norris said:
Not with tax money, no. I don’t think tax is for people to be drinking all the time, and I see them all around my area buying slabs of drinks for virtually nothing.

where are they available for virtually nothing? I need some for Christmas.
They are 24 - 40 euro around here I would not consider that virtually nothing, Having said that I am not on a senators income.

Iwasfrozen

He's right. Dole is ment to sustain people during a period of unemployment. If they have enough for drink then they're getting too much. It's time for a serious review of social welfare spending.

suicide_circus

Swiftly wrote: »

You played the strawman card bs. The other person said she sees people on the dole drinking and taking heroine all week and neglecting their kids so everyone on the dole shouldn't get cash to spend. So I asked do all people on the dole neglect their kids drink etc? so you're right you aren't a bigot you're just a stupid ****

Don't hate the player, dawg

Maximus Alexander

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Norris is forgetting that people on welfare who drink are taxpayers too, same with smokers...

I will respond to you through the medium of images.

Swiftly

suicide_circus wrote: »

Don't hate the player, dawg

Don't play the strawman card until you learn what it means. And I can't hate the irrelevant, dawg

Banjo String

Lights On wrote: »

When did we start using dollars?

Right after Hugh McElvaney started spending sterling.

Annasopra

jimgoose wrote: »

As someone who exists entirely by and for the collective, at least in theory, I would have expected a little more humility from him regarding pronouncing Ex Cathedra on what people may and may not spend their money on. I'm not too keen on spending my tax dollars on enabling him to ponce around the place flapping his jaw, but you don't see me making a big hairy-arsed deal about it! :pac:

Norris? A collectivist? Hardly.

NachoBusiness

Swiftly wrote: »

So everyone one the dole drinks all week, takes heroine all week and neglects their kids?

Perhaps you should read all of a user's post before hitting reply and suggesting they have said something which they haven't.

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Kids go without so mammy and daddy can live the life of an alco or a junkie and it needs to stop.

I am not suggesting that all people on the dole are either of these by the way..

Swiftly

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Perhaps you should read all of a user's post before hitting reply and suggesting they have said something which they haven't.

Your bases for everyone on the dole not to receive cash was because you see people on the dole who spend their week drinking/heroine and neglecting their kids so come off it. Perhaps you should be more clear before pressing submit

Banjo String

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I don't think the dole = fun free zone but I do agree with the sentiments of his statement. I too see people living in my area buying bags of cans all the God damn time while their kids run after them filthy and clearly in need of so much more than they are getting. It fcuking sickens me that these people can use the money that is given to them to support their family and instead use it to buy alcohol / heroin all week.

I firmly believe that there is no need to give people on the dole cash. I believe people on the dole should be given a card with cash credits which can only be used in certain places and for certain goods. They can save these cash credits and buy pretty much whatever they want. I would allow the card to be used in all major supermarkets, department stores, cinemas, petrol stations, utility providers etc etc but I would not allow the purchasing of certain items like alcohol and cigarettes (*above a certain limit each day*). The credits on alcohol I would not allow to be saved up and used in one go either.

Of course people would find loopholes by buying goods with their credit and selling it on for cash but so be it. It would be worth it in the long run I think as I feel restricting what benefits can be spent on would result in more kids getting fed better quality food and getting their day to day needs met in so many other areas too. These people buy cheap crap and shove it down their kids necks just so they can afford more alcohol / drugs. Kids go without so mammy and daddy can live the life of an alco or a junkie and it needs to stop. I am not suggesting that all people on the dole are either of these by the way but that's of minor importance as such a such a system, if done well, shouldn't hinder someone even if they were teetotal as they would still be able to buy whatever they want to buy, but there would just be small restriction on where.

Maybe make them wear bright green stars too, so they can be easily identified (yellows already been done)?


I'm not on the dole, nor ever have been been in my entire life, but for fcuks sake.

JimmyMW

jimgoose wrote: »

Are they allowed a tincture on Christmas Eve with the nice people, or should they be out shining shoes to supplement their gruel and black bread? :pac:

If they are out shining shoes they should not be on the dole

weldoninhio

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Yeah, definitely. If there's another recession and thousands lose their jobs then I don't want them bastards affording anything except the bare minimum needed for survival. I don't give a **** how much PRSI they've paid, I don't care if it wasn't their fault that they lost their job, I don't care if there are less jobs then there are working adults. All of that is completely irrelevant as long as the people who still have jobs get the warm fuzzies from knowing that welfare payments won't cover anything recreational at all.

Isn't that exactly what the dole should be??? The dole should be the bare minimum to force people to get back working. It shouldn't be a lifestyle choice that you can comfortably live on.

Swiftly

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I firmly believe that there is no need to give people on the dole cash. I believe people on the dole should be given a card with cash credits which can only be used in certain places and for certain goods. .

Under your scheme are they allowed to purchase toiletroll to wipe their arse or is that out the question as well. Do they need a permission slip or is not "certain" enough?

MilesMorales1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkrX5J73Vi4

Puts me in mind of this.

My name is URL

DellyBelly wrote: »

Isn't he claiming disability benefir himself. Don't think he's worked a proper job in years so he's getting social welfare himself. However I do agree a a little with his statement. The local pub close to me is always busy during the day and I'd say 75% of those in there pinting and bettin on the horses are on the dole...

Dunno if he still is but he did for 16 years while he was still working full time as senator

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/norris-claimed-disability-payments-for-16-years-26779206.html

And why do you agree with what he says? He's not saying that people on long term unemployment or system gamers shouldn't be allowed to drink in pubs all day, he's saying that nobody on benefits should be allowed to buy drink full stop. It's nothing but classist bullcrap, which is a bit rich coming from a guy that pretends to be all about equality etc. Hypocritical little worm of a man

Little CuChulainn

I agree with him to a certain extent. I don't think people should be completely barred from buying alcohol but if you are too poor to support yourself then there's no reason you should expect to be out drinking every weekend. If you are then maybe the state is giving you too much to survive. There's plenty of people who work full time can't afford a session every weekend.

thee glitz

Part of Norris' problem is that the slabs are costing very little, but what he was really giving out about was his tax paying for it. He should be pleased the cans are cheap.

esforum

Sheep Lover wrote: »

What a stupid comment.

What would people on the dole do all day otherwise?

apply for and attend job interviews?

stand at teh GPO every single night, you will see the soup and sandwich run. Look at how many recipients of this service will walk up for their free meal while wearing nike and adidas runners and tracksuits while smoking and carrying a can.

Iwasfrozen

An alternative to banning those on social welfare from buying alcohol is to tax it out of their league effectively meaning only those with stable jobs can drink.