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Hurling Hereford · 05-10-2017 9:46pm

tanko wrote: »

Met a neighbour today who had a query about the genomics scheme i couldnt answer.
He has a cow that calved a few weeks ago but she is wild and dangerous and he wants to sell her and the calf asap.
Can he do this without a penalty?
He got into a bit of bother last year fior selling calves a few days before they were 5 months old and got a penalty. He was told that the penalties would be worse the next time.
He has plenty of cows over his reference number.

Please take out your Terms & Conditions and read them.

You Can sell the Dam the day after she calves down, especially if she's f**king mad.

Yes, as you know you have to hold on to your calves until they are 5 months and a day. You will Not get penalised if you do this.

Hurling Hereford · 05-10-2017 9:54pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Re - Carbon Navigator

Sorry guys But I think I may have given wrong advoice above. Well the advice was right, but it's not what they are looking for.

They don't want you to give the tonnage of Nitrogen used. They want to give the actual tonnage of CAN and UREA used. So if you used 4 tonne of CAN in 2016, you put down 4.0.
If you used compund fertiliser like 18.6.12, you have to convert this to the equivalent in CAN. They give a formulae for this.

I'm filling my own Carbon Navigator in now, so that's how I spotted it. Deadline is 01 Nov 2017.

Carbon Navigator closing date is the 31st of this month.

patsy_mccabe · 06-10-2017 10:38am

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Carbon Navigator closing date is the 31st of this month.

Carbon Navigator deadline.
Says 01-Nov-2017 on letter;

Hurling Hereford · 08-10-2017 8:43pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Carbon Navigator deadline.
Says 01-Nov-2017 on letter;

Don't know what going on. Office in Portlaois told me the closing date ON THE PHONE, totally baffld by the Dept

High bike · 08-10-2017 8:59pm

Got a reminder letter about mine and it says 1st of Nov too

Never wrestle with pigs · 08-10-2017 9:00pm

Same thing. It's just giving the lads that are always late a day to put it in.

I have 33 cows as my reference year. Calving 30 this year with culls. I'm not going to brake myself to get 3 more as I have lovely heifers coming trough next year and I want to have a closed herd bar bulls. Will I get fined this year for missing 3 cows?

charolais0153 · 08-10-2017 11:57pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Same thing. It's just giving the lads that are always late a day to put it in.

I have 33 cows as my reference year. Calving 30 this year with culls. I'm not going to brake myself to get 3 more as I have lovely heifers coming trough next year and I want to have a closed herd bar bulls. Will I get fined this year for missing 3 cows?

No youll only get paid for 30 providing the 30 are done right.

Never wrestle with pigs · 09-10-2017 4:48am

charolais0153 wrote: »

No youll only get paid for 30 providing the 30 are done right.

And will it stay at 30 from now on or will it move back to 33 when I calve the extra heifers next year?

charolais0153 · 09-10-2017 10:35am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

And will it stay at 30 from now on or will it move back to 33 when I calve the extra heifers next year?

Youll get paid for. 33 the following year

Hurling Hereford · 10-10-2017 8:59pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

No youll only get paid for 30 providing the 30 are done right.

As your reference figure is 33 you have to genotype 20 animals each year. Therefor once you have about 22 r 23 cows calvin down each year you'll have enough animals to cover the genotyping element of the BDgP

Hurling Hereford · 10-10-2017 9:01pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

As your reference figure is 33 you have to genotype 20 animals each year. Therefor once you have about 22 r 23 cows calvin down each year you'll have enough animals to cover the genotyping element of the BDgP

Sorry should read once you have 22/23 cows in calf, you'll be in business.

Future Farmer · 11-10-2017 9:43am

There is not a whole lot wrong with this bull, just farmers failing to understand BDGP general usage criteria no?

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/limousine-bull-28-months/16751824

Limousin Bull, good breeding Achile (CD 4.2% 99%), Hawk (CD 4.3% 99% rel, all round bull) & Gamin (CD 3.3% 99%), easy calving breeding.

Like he isn't setting the world alight but .... €1550

patsy_mccabe · 11-10-2017 10:04am

Future Farmer wrote: »

There is not a whole lot wrong with this bull, just farmers failing to understand BDGP general usage criteria no?

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/limousine-bull-28-months/16751824

Limousin Bull, good breeding Achile (CD 4.2% 99%), Hawk (CD 4.3% 99% rel, all round bull) & Gamin (CD 3.3% 99%), easy calving breeding.

Like he isn't setting the world alight but .... €1550

He does qualify for the BDGP, on terminal anyway. Nothing wrong with his heifers if the dams had milk, say first cross dairy. i honestly think he's cheap at €1550.

Future Farmer · 11-10-2017 10:15am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

He does qualify for the BDGP, on terminal anyway. Nothing wrong with his heifers if the dams had milk, say first cross dairy. i honestly think he's cheap at €1550.

Plus on a high RI cow you're still grand to get replacements for the BDGP off of him....

He is good value for sure!

oneten · 11-10-2017 7:12pm

He does qualify for the BDGP, on terminal anyway. Nothing wrong with his heifers if the dams had milk, say first cross dairy. i honestly think he's cheap at €1550.

Born may 15
Only 4 calves registered by aug 17, yet he's keeping heifers ?

High bike · 11-10-2017 7:30pm

oneten wrote: »

He does qualify for the BDGP, on terminal anyway. Nothing wrong with his heifers if the dams had milk, say first cross dairy. i honestly think he's cheap at €1550.

Born may 15
Only 4 calves registered by aug 17, yet he's keeping heifers ?

if it sounds too good to be true it probably is,could be a fertility problem if that's the case????

Limestone Cowboy · 11-10-2017 7:56pm

Future Farmer wrote: »

There is not a whole lot wrong with this bull, just farmers failing to understand BDGP general usage criteria no?

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/limousine-bull-28-months/16751824

Limousin Bull, good breeding Achile (CD 4.2% 99%), Hawk (CD 4.3% 99% rel, all round bull) & Gamin (CD 3.3% 99%), easy calving breeding.

Like he isn't setting the world alight but .... €1550

No length, shape, bone or anything appealing really. He might not seem as cheap the day your selling his offspring.

White Clover · 11-10-2017 11:02pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

No length, shape, bone or anything appealing really. He might not seem as cheap the day your selling his offspring.

Couldn't agree more. Buying from figures and stars is a bit simplistic in my view.

Bellview · 12-10-2017 4:24pm

White Clover wrote:

Couldn't agree more. Buying from figures and stars is a bit simplistic in my view.

Agree .. stars are as wrong as they are right...I just ignore them . But heifers i have now are off a low star bull so may suffer but they have milk so over half my herd will be off him.. if I miss final 50 percent rule .. I will jump that fence when I come to it ..buy a few yokes with stars and isolate them on an out farm so avoid Ibr etc

Limestone Cowboy · 12-10-2017 6:18pm

White Clover wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Buying from figures and stars is a bit simplistic in my view.

Buying solely from figures is definitely simplistic anyway. If an animal doesn't look the part than the stars are a bit irrelevant.

Grueller · 12-10-2017 7:07pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Buying solely from figures is definitely simplistic anyway. If an animal doesn't look the part than the stars are a bit irrelevant.

I agree 100%. But, there are plenty bulls out there that look the part and tick the BDGP box.

Future Farmer · 13-10-2017 9:21am

The figures are the figures, he has a easy calving pedigree and is General Use BDGP applicable.

The pictures are poorly taken of a bellyish bull. But that said I have seen bulls that look poor breeding really well and others that look super breeding like crap.

His Linears with ok reliability place him in the middle for muscle, function and docilty and he is in the bottom 30% for skeletal, not particularly dissimilar to FTY....

That said I have no intention of even making a phone call.

This fella looks like a screw and he is asking €2,100

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/bull/16292728

Edit: Not meaning to sound like a grumpy old fart of a keyboard warrior by the way, happy Friday

Grueller · 17-11-2017 11:53pm

When should payment for this scheme land?

tanko · 18-11-2017 12:08am

Grueller wrote: »

When should payment for this scheme land?

Was Dec 15th last year.

sonnybill · 18-11-2017 7:46pm

Bdgp II tags coming out this week to be back by December 07th, tight window ... Will suit 90% of people in sheds etc.. Disaster as ones I've to do for the neighbour are dosed, bulleted and pour on just done and nicely settled on commonage .. Fecker to have to bring them down again to tag 3 animals

tanko · 18-11-2017 8:41pm

Is that for the BDGP 2?

Oh, i see it is.

sonnybill · 18-11-2017 9:43pm

tanko wrote: »

Is that for the BDGP 2?

Oh, i see it is.

It is indeed, I'm in the first one and find it great as all done n dusted in summer early when dosing calves etc and update few bits on icbf.

I put this mans herd into it as I herd them but ball ache bringing those ones in now again

Never wrestle with pigs · 22-11-2017 12:21am

Got my tags yesterday. Good timeing as I was doing the cows for rota virus and boules and clipping today. Handy job but you wouldn't want to drop the sample pot. It's tiny and would be like a needle in a hay stack if dropped.

When would I expect payment? I'm in trench two.

Grueller · 13-12-2017 12:18am

13th December tomorrow. This landed for some last year on 15 December. I had an issue last year and didn't get it til March. Has there been any announcement from the dept?

High bike · 13-12-2017 8:19pm

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