Fassbender, Ronan and Farrell are BRITISH

Busted Flat.

murpho999 wrote: »

The big difference is though that Andy Murray is actually British where as Saorse Ronan, Michael Fassbender and Colin Farrell aren't.

Andy Murray is Scottish.

Guy:Incognito

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Andy Murray is Scottish.

Which is a part of............

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Which is a part of............

Great Britain!

Looks like it's not just the brits who don't understand geography...

steddyeddy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DonaldClarke63/status/676761496475590656

Is it that offensive though? Ireland is as British as Finchley after all with your Tescos, M&S and B&Q's (British and Quality) etc...

It can't be any surprise surely when British culture is so pervasive in Ireland. Sometimes it feels more British in Ireland than it does in Britain.

The amount of people who watch British tv all the time and follow British clubs at the expense of Irish ones, watch the Queen's Christmas message and who then scream when such an oversight is made is quite funny, no?

We can't really complain, can we?

I currently live in Britain. Ireland is absolutely nothing like Britain in terms of culture.

Kermit I hate to break this to you but culture does not mean TV and sport.

An American watching Faulty Towers does not become more British. Nor does a Brit watching Friends become American.

If you want to learn about culture read some of Wade Davis' work.

Regarding Fassbender et al it's not offensive just wrong. I don't think anyone cares. I wouldn't take it personally because the geographical knowledge of people here really is woeful. I was asked is Rep of Ireland part of the UK countless times.

magma69

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Which is a part of............

Europe!

steddyeddy

In fact Brits and unionists are so proud of their culture they post countless times on an Irish message Board . Judging by the OP's metric they must be Irish so.

steddyeddy

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Who is "we" Kermit? I don't know why you start these baiting threads. Now go on out of that, on the next ferry to Holyhead with you and be done with us poor Irish peasants. You will feel a lot happier with Your lot there, rather than the inferiority complex you seem to possess here...

This. All these baiting threads are a cry for help me thinks.

magma69

steddyeddy wrote: »

I currently live in Britain. Ireland is absolutely nothing like Britain in terms of culture.

:pac:

steddyeddy

magma69 wrote: »

:pac:

Well thought out reply dude .

ArtSmart

Can we give back yer man, whatisface, in Wicklow? I mean Oliver Reed was fine, he was Irish in 'spirits', but yer man?

Plus, we could give them The Mammy Carroll as a sweetener.

Everyone wins.

Junkyard Tom

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sometimes it feels more British in Ireland than it does in Britain.

I know you're desperately trying to seek attention and/or get a rise out of people, and I feel sorry for you on that matter, but the above sentence exposes just how bad you are at it.

I'd give you 2 out of 10 for this piss-poor attempt.

steddyeddy

Kermit it's Christmas surely things can't be that bad that you resort to thrills like this?

Junkyard Tom

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fact Brits and unionists are so proud of their culture

I would contend Unionist culture, if we consider its expression as Orangeism and loyalist parading, as alien to the vast majority of British people. Even the Scots cross-party pro-Union group in the recent independence referendum distanced itself from the above culture:

A spokesman for Better Together, which is the official campaign against Scottish independence, attempted to distance itself from the Orange Order. He said: "This organisation is not part of our campaign and never will be."

bbc.com/news

kingchess

We could play them at their own game and put up a very large statue of Irish astronaut Timmy Peake(Timmo the spacer to his pals) in the middle of Dublin and totally ignore the fact that he is British?just pretend that he is Irish,I wonder how that would go down

Arbiter of Good Taste

There are heaps of posters on other threads insisting that Ibrahaim Halawi (sp? I can't be bothered checking) is Irish, and there are people here saying Michael Fassbender with an Irish mother who grew up in Kerry is German?

People are strange.

Junkyard Tom

kingchess wrote: »

We could play them at their own game and put up a very large statue of Irish astronaut Timmy Peake(Timmo the spacer to his pals)

And then if he was caught drink-driving, or somerhing, we could swiftly return to describing him as British.

'British booze-naught Tim Peake bangs his BMW into back of bus'.

British booze-naught Tim was feeling Peakey after being brought down to earth with a bang when he piloted his craft into the back of a London Bus and was subsequently arrested by police. An inebriated Tim obviously had difficulty judging space and time and when interviewed by police was thought to have repeatedly mumbled 'no comet'.

Fratton Fred

nullzero wrote: »

Hardly groundbreaking stuff. You will be British as long as you are perceived to be successful and as soon as th again over you'll go back to being British. Andy Murray is an example, he's either British Wimbledon champion Andy Murray or Scottish loser Andy Murray.

This is entirely made up. Please find one example of this actually happening.

PressRun

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I would contend Unionist culture, if we consider its expression as Orangeism and loyalist parading, as alien to the vast majority of British people.

When I was living in the UK, very few people I knew there understood anything about the situation in Northern Ireland and couldn't give a fiddlers about flags or parades or whatever other nonsense is on the unionist agenda from one day to the next.

As for Irish and British culture being the same? First of all, good luck defining whatever British culture is anymore cos it certainly ain't the white, Protestant, tea-sipping culture someone people seem to imagine, and it hasn't been for some time.

On Saoirse Ronan, Michael Fassbender, etc., I don't find it offensive, but it is simply factually wrong and I suspect the people drawing up the nominations and categories knew as much but just thought they'd get away with it.

whatdoicare

I thought Samuel L Jackson sorted all this ****e out the last time England tried to claim Colin Farrell as theirs?

nullzero

murpho999 wrote: »

The big difference is though that Andy Murray is actually British where as Saorse Ronan, Michael Fassbender and Colin Farrell aren't.

The point is that the people who assume to make these successful individuals "British" (ie, successful people who embody quintessential "Britishness", displaying superiority and dominion over their chosen fields just as the British Empire did whilst having the world under the heel of its boot) are typically southern English" home counties" types who wouldn't consider people from the English midlands up to be as British as they are. Andy Murray is an example of how they can compartmentalize people in this way. George Best the footballer was an example of British talent, George Best the alcoholic was a reassuring sign that British people's prejudices against the Irish were justified even though he was from a Northern Irish protestant background.

Nodin

Better than the days they used claim things by landing on some part of the world, shootin a load of lads armed with sticks and awarding themselves medals for bravery in the process. Slow steps.

JackieBauer

Fassbender, albeit no Jackie-Healy Rae is still a Kerry lad. He played a great racist in 12 Years A Slave, I'm surprised he isn't being heralded as a GOD here

Omackeral

I like to think of the outraged person wearing a Man United or Liverpool jersey as he furiously types away on the auld keyboard.

Fratton Fred

Omackeral wrote: »

I like to think of the outraged person wearing a Man United or Liverpool jersey as he furiously types away on the auld keyboard.

One minute claiming that "we" are the best team in the world, whilst moaning that a British journalist said that Colin Farrell was "one of us"?

Fratton Fred

murpho999 wrote: »

No I'm not. Why are they associating them with us?

Why aren''t there awards for British/French or British/American films?

The same reason there isn't a British and French Lions rugby team?

Figbiscuithead

No, definitely not offended but mildly irritated because it's just plain wrong and it isn't the first time. I learned 11 years ago when I left Ireland that few people outside of Ireland know, understand or even care about the political geography of the islands of Britain and Ireland. I understand it's confusing but not beyond comprehension either if you're in any way arsed. I don't like these "British/Irish" Awards" either as they're almost always British-organised and come across as just a sneaky way of claiming talent that's not your own. I don't lose any sleep over it, though.

weldoninhio

Omackeral wrote: »

I like to think of the outraged person wearing a Man United or Liverpool jersey as he furiously types away on the auld keyboard.

2 American owned sports teams?!?!

Isaiah

Figbiscuithead wrote: »

I don't like these "British/Irish" Awards" either as they're almost always British-organised and come across as just a sneaky way of claiming talent that's not your own.

At least the British recognise talent and praise the good works of Irish people.
In Ireland unless you're in with the Donnybrook scene or a relative of someone with influence you will never make it no matter how talented.

Figbiscuithead

Isaiah wrote: »

At least the British recognise talent and praise the good works of Irish people.
In Ireland unless you're in with the Donnybrook scene or a relative of someone with influence you will never make it no matter how talented.

You don't think it's all about connections in the UK as well?

murpho999

Fratton Fred wrote: »

One minute claiming that "we" are the best team in the world, whilst moaning that a British journalist said that Colin Farrell was "one of us"?

Supporting a club does not make you a national of that country. Plenty of Barcelona supporters around that are not Spanish.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The same reason there isn't a British and French Lions rugby team?

But there is a European golf team, so your point about sport being the definer of your nationality/culture is way off.

esforum

Ireland is British in a geographical sense ie both islands are the british isles

Fratton Fred

murpho999 wrote: »

Supporting a club does not make you a national of that country. Plenty of Barcelona supporters around that are not Spanish.

Do they also use "we" when discussing the team they support? Or claim ownership of a team in a foreign country?

murpho999 wrote: »

But there is a European golf team, so your point about sport being the definer of your nationality/culture is way off.

Who said anything about nationality or culture?

Britain and Ireland are as close as any two nations could be. Where is the first place Irish actors, musicians and sportsmen/women turn to further their careers?

Where do most Irish people go if they can't find a job or university place that suits them in Ireland?

You asked why these awards are for British and Irish actors not British or French?

It is the same reason there is a British and Irish lions rugby team.

LordSutch

Azalea wrote: »

I'd say most young, and even not so young, British people don't watch the queen's speech, let alone Irish people! Never in my life knew of anyone here who watches it.

Can't remember a Christmas when my family didn't watch it! (specially the older generation).

Regarding the British/Irish thing. To many people in Britain, Ireland and the Irish people are part of the family who live on these islands! Obviously many people in Ireland do not want to be associated with, or be in that family, hence the confliction between the two mindsets.

catbear

The british identity really came into to being during the plantations of Ireland. Prior to that English and Scottish plantations were separate but after the 1641 Ulster rising they rallied to eachothers support and for the first time thought of themselves as British; as in being from the same Island whilst invading another island.

That identity was solidified when Scotland united with England, Ireland was always their captive. Claiming Irish as theirs is an old covetous habit that seems impossible for them to break. Taking offense is pointless but taking advantage of their ignorance is profitable.

tritium

Normally I'd go looking for my outrage hat

But the tweet in the OP comes from Donald Clarke...


Who is an utter twat...

So if this pisses him off I'm happy in a strange sort of way

Fratton Fred

tritium wrote: »

Normally I'd go looking for my outrage hat

But the tweet in the OP comes from Donald Clarke...


Who is an utter twat...

So if this pisses him off I'm happy in a strange sort of way

The sad thing is, he created a total clickbait article and it worked.

fergiesfolly

I'm not about to take offence on the nominees behalf.
If they have a problem with it, they won't be long clarifying the situation.
And having seen a couple of Farrells recent efforts, he should be delighted to get nominated at all.

steddyeddy

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I would contend Unionist culture, if we consider its expression as Orangeism and loyalist parading, as alien to the vast majority of British people. Even the Scots cross-party pro-Union group in the recent independence referendum distanced itself from the above culture:

Yes no offence meant to any British people. Most honest Brits want nothing to do with the Orange order or Ukip ect.

Riskymove

This is always an emotive topic that gets things thrown in from all sorts of perspectives. Obviously comparatively recent history with partition and independence doesn't help.

I know plenty of friends and family who shop in UK stores, watch and read UK TV and media, support UK sports teams, listen to UK music etc.......but even suggest that they may be part of a shared UK culture and they lose their minds

I believe we have a very skewed idea of nationality and culture here where we thrown our "Irishness" around while most of us pretty much ignore Irish Culture.

The Sun King

I was with you on the British shows.
I was with you on the football.
You were stretching on the Queens message bit big time.


I watch American shows too, does that make Saoirse Ronan an American actress?

Son Of A Vidic

I remember signing the visitors book at a beautiful B&B in Wales a few years ago. The English visitors listed themselves as English, the Scots identified themselves as Scots and the Welsh as Welsh. The only visitors who identified themselves as being British, were the two saps from Lisburn.

Omackeral

esforum wrote: »

Ireland is British in a geographical sense ie both islands are the british isles

Dis gon' be good!

Micky Dolenz

I like how people get wound up over things like this. Who really cares? like really, don't be sweating the small stuff.

Do you remember, a few years ago, some English sports show was doing a run down of the people shortlisted for British sportsperson of the year. Well didn't they have two Cork people in it, Roy Keane and Sonya O Sullivan. Funny thing was, the pic of O' Sullivan was her wearing her green international track suit with the Irish flag on it. Caused a massive up roar.

catbear

I recently heard a brit ask an irish person in ireland which way they'd be voting in brexit.

steddyeddy

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I like how people get wound up over things like this. Who really cares? like really, don't be sweating the small stuff.

Do you remember, a few years ago, some English sports show was doing a run down of the people shortlisted for British sportsperson of the year. Well didn't they have two Cork people in it, Roy Keane and Sonya O Sullivan. Funny thing was, the pic of O' Sullivan was her wearing her green international track suit with the Irish flag on it. Caused a massive up roar.

They can have Cark Mickey!

murpho999

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Do they also use "we" when discussing the team they support? Or claim ownership of a team in a foreign country?

Yes they would if they feel they belong to the club. It's a whole different concept to a nationality.

Who said anything about nationality or culture?

Britain and Ireland are as close as any two nations could be. Where is the first place Irish actors, musicians and sportsmen/women turn to further their careers?

Where do most Irish people go if they can't find a job or university place that suits them in Ireland?

You asked why these awards are for British and Irish actors not British or French?

It is the same reason there is a British and Irish lions rugby team.

Irish actors and musicians etc would turn to the UK as it's a larger market with a common language.
It's all about economics. Just because they do that , it does not make them any less Irish or mean that they are British.

No different to a Belgian going to France or an Austrian going to Germany. You still retain identity.

Your point about the Lions is a strange one. They exist for historical reasons as Ireland was ruled by the UK and then had one Rugby team. There are loads of sports where they are completely separate.

The fact is that for the film critics to claim Irish actors as British is 100% wrong and disrespectful as is their makey uppy UK./Ireland compromise.

Been to the UK loads of times and definitely feel I am in a foreign place. Different attitudes and ways of life and I think having a sports team or sharing an imposed language does not change that.

steddyeddy

I found the British a lot more reserved than the Irish. They're usually more polite (except the ones who make baiting posts on AH). We seem to have different attitudes to things.

My family always told me if you make good friends with an English person you're friends for life.

Pac1Man

riclad wrote: »

Kids grow up now watching youtube, netflix, lots of american tv .
Some people get broadband , no cable tv needed .
I,d say facebook, instragram ,youtube are more important to teens than any uk tv program.
The big tech companys are all american .
irish sport ,gaa , rugby very popular ,
many people have zero interest in uk soccer ,
and many people do not want to pay for sky sport .
And many people have no interest in sport .
i shop in aldi ,and lidl ,does that make me half irish/german .
I think we have acess to alot of british media ,radio , newspapers .
its probably good for irish culture .
Many people picked up itv,bbc, on tv aerials free .
before the internet ,broadband was avaidable ,
and now you can watch 1000,s of programs on youtube .

I think we have the best of both worlds ,with easy acess to uk and us culture .
most people in rural area,s had tv aerials on the roof to pick up uk tv,free,
and rte .
As cable tv is not avaidable in many areas .
i watch alot of american tv,
That doe,s not make me american .
The bbc makes many documentarys and show music concerts ,
that would not be made by commerical stations , itv, or channel 4 ,
who need to depend on ratings .
Theres probably teens who never watch live tv ,
apart from sport ,
they watch programs on tablets , or youtube video,s .

Calm down there Seamus Heaney.

wilhelm roentgen

murpho999 wrote: »

Been to the UK loads of times and definitely feel I am in a foreign place.

That's because it is.......:rolleyes:

What did the Liverpool FC player Ian Rush say (allegedly) when he went to play for Juventus.

'I couldn't settle in Italy, it was like living in a foreign country'

Fratton Fred

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes they would if they feel they belong to the club. It's a whole different concept to a nationality.




Irish actors and musicians etc would turn to the UK as it's a larger market with a common language.
It's all about economics. Just because they do that , it does not make them any less Irish or mean that they are British.

No different to a Belgian going to France or an Austrian going to Germany. You still retain identity.

Your point about the Lions is a strange one. They exist for historical reasons as Ireland was ruled by the UK and then had one Rugby team. There are loads of sports where they are completely separate.

The fact is that for the film critics to claim Irish actors as British is 100% wrong and disrespectful as is their makey uppy UK./Ireland compromise.

Been to the UK loads of times and definitely feel I am in a foreign place. Different attitudes and ways of life and I think having a sports team or sharing an imposed language does not change that.

No one is claiming them, just including them. How is that disrespectful?

Scotland is as foreign to Wales as England is to Ireland. It doesn't mean they are "as foreign as China". It doesn't mean the Welsh and Scots have the same identity.