Is tipping now expected in Ireland?

c_man

Tipping housekeeping, ye're having a laugh.

circadian

I usually tip delivery drivers from take away places I regular. Food always gets there quicker and you usually get a little something extra.

12-20% in restaurants

Taxi sometimes.

Barber not at the minute because my guy owns his place, he doesn't rent a chair.

Bar, depends if someone has been sound and its been awkward/busy. Probably buy then a pint or two.

timthumbni

I normally tip in restaurants but it's more out of habit than for the quality of service. I don't really see why a waitress/waiter should expect a tip for bringing someone their food and drinks. That is their job after all. If they are not doing their job to a good standard then I expect their manager to sort this out.

I hate the American system and hope it doesn't start to worm its way over here. If I was ever chased out of a restaurant by a waiter demanding to know if there was a problem with the service due to the size of the tip then I would be absolutely raging.

Postman and binmen used to get Xmas tips but considering we rarely have the same postman 2 weeks in a row anymore and the binmen not lifting bins sometimes for the most stupid of reasons then that has stopped too.

SAMTALK

Where does it stop... Do we tip the mechanic who services the car. The girl in filling station who serves me my coffee with a smile every day. The dentist who cleans my teeth.
Someone serving me food is no different. They are doing a job which they get paid for the same as every one else.

Uno my Uno.

If you're too cheap to tip at a restaurant you're better off staying at home because tipping to a reasonable level is part of the cost of eating out. All this bollix about it not being the norm in Ireland or not wanting to encourage employers is just excuses from misers. The kind of person who says they only tip for exceptional service is some who clearly has a superiority complex and goes to restaurants so he can have his ego massaged while someone literally waits on him hand and foot and then feel great about himself because he left a tip.

You tip for service, not just good service or exceptional service, servers depend on those tips. Tipping incentivises better service.

The King of Moo

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

If you're too cheap to tip at a restaurant you're better off staying at home because tipping to a reasonable level is part of the cost of eating out. All this bollix about it not being the norm in Ireland or not wanting to encourage employers is just excuses from misers. The kind of person who says they only tip for exceptional service is some who clearly has a superiority complex and goes to restaurants so he can have his ego massaged while someone literally waits on him hand and foot and then feel great about himself because he left a tip.

You tip for service, not just good service or exceptional service, servers depend on those tips. Tipping incentivises better service.

But do you tip in every situation in which you get service?

MOH

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

You tip for service, not just good service or exceptional service, servers depend on those tips. Tipping incentivises better service.

No.

I actually tend to tip most of the time, unless the service is awful, but that's mainly habit. But the above doesn't make sense.

How can you say tipping incentivises service if it's automatic regardless of the quality of service? If anything it's the opposite, if someone is expecting a tip anyway there's zero incentive to provide decent service.

And regardless, nobody should ever feel obliged to tip if they don't want to.

Uno my Uno.

SAMTALK wrote: »

Where does it stop... Do we tip the mechanic who services the car. The girl in filling station who serves me my coffee with a smile every day. The dentist who cleans my teeth.
Someone serving me food is no different. They are doing a job which they get paid for the same as every one else.

the difference is that food service puts one person in the service of the other, you aren't Lord of the restaurant and you aren't superior to your server, that's why you tip.

SAMTALK

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

the difference is that food service puts one person in the service of the other, you aren't Lord of the restaurant and you aren't superior to your server, that's why you tip.

But the sales assistant SERVES me and I'm not superior to them either

Uno my Uno.

The King of Moo wrote: »

But do you tip in every situation in which you get service?

I tip everywhere that someone is "in my service" I.e. where I direct how they do their job or what they do. Usually that amounts to restaurants, cafes and taxis.

MOH wrote: »

No.

I actually tend to tip most of the time, unless the service is awful, but that's mainly habit. But the above doesn't make sense.

How can you say tipping incentivises service if it's automatic regardless of the quality of service? If anything it's the opposite, if someone is expecting a tip anyway there's zero incentive to provide decent service.

And regardless, nobody should ever feel obliged to tip if they don't want to.

You should vary the amount of the tip on the level of service, if someone knows they will receive better tips for better service they will provide better service. If they know that people won't tip or only tip poorly they are not incentivised to provide better service.

Sam Kade

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

If you're too cheap to tip at a restaurant you're better off staying at home because tipping to a reasonable level is part of the cost of eating out. All this bollix about it not being the norm in Ireland or not wanting to encourage employers is just excuses from misers. The kind of person who says they only tip for exceptional service is some who clearly has a superiority complex and goes to restaurants so he can have his ego massaged while someone literally waits on him hand and foot and then feel great about himself because he left a tip.

You tip for service, not just good service or exceptional service, servers depend on those tips. Tipping incentivises better service.

What a load of nonsense, tipping isn't compulsory so stop trying to glorify people that do tip.

timthumbni

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

the difference is that food service puts one person in the service of the other, you aren't Lord of the restaurant and you aren't superior to your server, that's why you tip.

When out for food I expect the waiting staff to fetch my food from the kitchen when it's ready and to get me drinks if I request them. I don't consider any of this to be exceptional service just them simply doing their job.

I realise I'm not Lord of the restaurant but I also realise that I'm not the owner of the restaurant. Wages are paid and should be paid by the owner, not by me.

Being superior has nothing to do with it. That just sounds like American style bulls@it.

Uno my Uno.

SAMTALK wrote: »

But the sales assistant SERVES me and I'm not superior to them either

Not in the same way a server at a restaurant does. She is not in your service, you don't direct her on how to do her job. A more accurate way to describe it is that she assists you rather than serves you.

murpho999

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

If you're too cheap to tip at a restaurant you're better off staying at home because tipping to a reasonable level is part of the cost of eating out. All this bollix about it not being the norm in Ireland or not wanting to encourage employers is just excuses from misers. The kind of person who says they only tip for exceptional service is some who clearly has a superiority complex and goes to restaurants so he can have his ego massaged while someone literally waits on him hand and foot and then feel great about himself because he left a tip.

You tip for service, not just good service or exceptional service, servers depend on those tips. Tipping incentivises better service.

Disagree with every thing with this. It's the American model.

The major difference is that service staff are poorly paid and work for tips whereas Irish staff are not.

You do pay for service in the bill. You don't order food and then have to make it yourself.
Likewise when you buy petrol but are also paying for the service provided by the oil refinery or the tanker driver that delivered it to the garage. Should we go and tip all of those as they all provide servces.

Would you go to the likes of Spar/Centra at lunch time and tip the person who makes your sandwich?

salamanca22

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

the difference is that food service puts one person in the service of the other, you aren't Lord of the restaurant and you aren't superior to your server, that's why you tip.

What are you talking about? Anytime you buy something you are putting another person in service to you, not just at a restaurant.

I tend not to tip except in extraordinary cases where the experience has been worth paying a bit extra. They are paid a wage the same as everyone else. If they need more money then they need to work up the chain by moving to more prestigious restaurants or changing profession.

I work in the tech industry. I work very closely with my clients and personalise everything I do to their specifications and comments. Should I get a tip for servicing them personally the way I do? Hell no.

Eoin247

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

You tip for service, not just good service or exceptional service, servers depend on those tips. Tipping incentivises better service.

This makes no sense. Tipping should not be taken as a given. Tipping good service incentives good service. If you tip bad service then you are incentivicing bad service.

EagererBeaver

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

Not in the same way a server at a restaurant does. She is not in your service, you don't direct her on how to do her job. A more accurate way to describe it is that she assists you rather than serves you.

Utter gibberish. You don't direct a waiter/waitress on how to do their job either.

What about self serve locations (or maybe we can call it semi self-serve) like Starbucks? They've a very obvious tip jar but rarely would I leave anything in it. I stand in their queue, I pay at their till and I collect my own drink and transport it to a table. Beyond the fundamental, core transaction of me paying them to make me a ****ing coffee, what additional service has been provided?

Nothing to do with being "cheap" as you initially claimed at all. Some people just have the balls to question social norms that they struggle to rationalise.

Uno my Uno.

Sam Kade wrote: »

What a load of nonsense, tipping isn't compulsory so stop trying to glorify people that do tip.

It's not compulsory and I'm not trying to glorify anyone, I think you misunderstood my post.

timthumbni wrote: »

When out for food I expect the waiting staff to fetch my food from the kitchen when it's ready and to get me drinks if I request them. I don't consider any of this to be exceptional service just them simply doing their job.

I realise I'm not Lord of the restaurant but I also realise that I'm not the owner of the restaurant. Wages are paid and should be paid by the owner, not by me.

Being superior has nothing to do with it. That just sounds like American style bulls@it.

Not only are you too cheap to tip you are so superior you think servers should "fetch" things for you. Dogs fetch things, servers serve meals.

byronbay2

salamanca22 wrote: »

Should I get a tip for servicing them personally the way I do? Hell no.

Hell Yeah!! I normally give an extra tenner for that!

Sam Kade

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

It's not compulsory and I'm not trying to glorify anyone, I think you misunderstood my post.



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So telling everyone that doesn't tip in restaurants to stay at home isn't glorifying tippers?

SAMTALK

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

Not in the same way a server at a restaurant does. She is not in your service, you don't direct her on how to do her job. A more accurate way to describe it is that she assists you rather than serves you.

Sorry but I dont direct anyone in a restaurant on how to do their job. I expect that they already know how to do it.
I might ask advice on a particular dish but then again in a shop I might also ask for advice about a product so I really dont see the difference

Uno my Uno.

salamanca22 wrote: »

What are you talking about? Anytime you buy something you are putting another person in service to you, not just at a restaurant.

I tend not to tip except in extraordinary cases where the experience has been worth paying a bit extra. They are paid a wage the same as everyone else. If they need more money then they need to work up the chain by moving to more prestigious restaurants or changing profession.

I work in the tech industry. I work very closely with my clients and personalise everything I do to their specifications and comments. Should I get a tip for servicing them personally the way I do? Hell no.

When I am in a shop paying for an item at the counter I don't tell them how to go about it or how I want it done, hence they are not serving me in the pat sense.

You're an IT professional, you have a different relationship with your clients, (and I presume well paid. hence no tip!

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Utter gibberish. You don't direct a waiter/waitress on how to do their job either.

What about self serve locations (or maybe we can call it semi self-serve) like Starbucks? They've a very obvious tip jar but rarely would I leave anything in it. I stand in their queue, I pay at their till and I collect my own drink and transport it to a table. Beyond the fundamental, core transaction of me paying them to make me a ****ing coffee, what additional service has been provided?

Nothing to do with being "cheap" as you initially claimed at all. Some people just have the balls to question social norms that they struggle to rationalise.

But I do direct a waiter/server on how to do their job, I tell the, what t bring me, when I want it and how I want it prepared, I am in charge and they are in my service, I should tip for that.

Starbucks is different, as you point out you do most of it yourself. Tipping in these circumstances is only a gesture.

If t makes your feel better to see yourself as some sort of social warrior who questions "social norms" that's fine but let's be real here, you're too cheap to tip.

BunkMoreland

Why would anyone tip in this country, products and services are already expensive and we have minimum wage. It's completely different in other countries hence the need to tip there.

What does a waiter do anyway. Take your order, bring the food out, come back in 5 mins and ask is everything OK and that's about it.

The only reason people tip here is to look like a big shot. The people you are tipping are already on adequate wage for the job they hold. If they want to earn more, they should get a better education and better job.

SAMTALK

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Not only are you too cheap to tip you are so superior you think servers should "fetch" things for you. Dogs fetch things, servers serve meals.[/QUOTE]

I find that offensive to be honest. I go to a restaurant , the price is on the menu. I eat and I pay what is asked.
I go to a shop, the price is listed, I select and I pay what is asked.
Someone serves me in both situations yet one seems to think they have a right to a tip ????

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SAMTALK wrote: »

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Not only are you too cheap to tip you are so superior you think servers should "fetch" things for you. Dogs fetch things, servers serve meals.

I find that offensive to be honest. I go to a restaurant , the price is on the menu. I eat and I pay what is asked.
I go to a shop, the price is listed, I select and I pay what is asked.
Someone serves me in both situations yet one seems to think they have a right to a tip ????[/quote]

Agreed. They do a job. Get paid, go home.
I organised deliveries to 1500 customers per week. I never expected a tip or even a bottle at Christmas. I got paid, did my job..end of!

Uno my Uno.

SAMTALK wrote: »

Sorry but I dont direct anyone in a restaurant on how to do their job. I expect that they already know how to do it.
I might ask advice on a particular dish but then again in a shop I might also ask for advice about a product so I really dont see the difference

You don't walk into a restaurant sit down and simply say "serve me a meal" you tell them what you want, how you want it and how you want it prepared, and if you don't get it as you want it you send it back!

There is a big difference between that and asking advice on a product.

SAMTALK

But I do direct a waiter/server on how to do their job, I tell the, what t bring me, when I want it and how I want it prepared, I am in charge and they are in my service, I should tip for that.



Go to the butchers tell them what meat I want and how thick/thin I want it cut????? I am in charge and they are in my service,
Should I tip ??

salamanca22

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

You're an IT professional, you have a different relationship with your clients, (and I presume well paid. hence no tip!

I went to college for four years which is only the start of the education that I have had to go through. Every 6 months or so I have to learn something new. I go to conferences and night classes and learn in my time at home. I am constantly upskilling. You are damn right I am paid well but I work damn hard for that. I don't get tipped for my service and don't expect to. If servers need more money they need to go up the chain like I mentioned or move to another sector.

I just don't see why I should pay someone's wage directly when I am also paying it indirectly when I pay my bill. Servers are not doing something special here, they are servicing a client in the same way many other professions do without the expectation of a gratuity.

Uno my Uno.

SAMTALK wrote: »

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Not only are you too cheap to tip you are so superior you think servers should "fetch" things for you. Dogs fetch things, servers serve meals.

I find that offensive to be honest. I go to a restaurant , the price is on the menu. I eat and I pay what is asked.
I go to a shop, the price is listed, I select and I pay what is asked.
Someone serves me in both situations yet one seems to think they have a right to a tip ????

It's not the same type of service, I've explained that several times. I find it offensive when people don't tip in restaurants.

EagererBeaver

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

When I am in a shop paying for an item at the counter I don't tell them how to go about it or how I want it done, hence they are not serving me in the pat sense.

You're an IT professional, you have a different relationship with your clients, (and I presume well paid. hence no tip!



But I do direct a waiter/server on how to do their job, I tell the, what t bring me, when I want it and how I want it prepared, I am in charge and they are in my service, I should tip for that.

Starbucks is different, as you point out you do most of it yourself. Tipping in these circumstances is only a gesture.

If t makes your feel better to see yourself as some sort of social warrior who questions "social norms" that's fine but let's be real here, you're too cheap to tip.

Again, nonsense. The whole act of taking your order, bringing you your food, how you want it etc is the underlying contract for which, in Ireland, people are remunerated at a reasonably high level. It's the job description - nothing more, nothing less.

I tip plenty when it's deserved, i.e. when service is good. Someone who goes about their job doing the minimum required should not earn a tip by default, simple as that. Nor should self-superior, smug arseholes get to mentally fellate themselves over how great they are at tossing a waiter or waitress a few quid.