Is tipping now expected in Ireland?

EagererBeaver

John_Rambo wrote: »

I didn’t take offence, as popular as it seems today!

I just though it was one of those stories. You know, the ones where people come up to Dublin to do a bit of shopping and watch a match and get raped, held up with a syringe, catch AIDS, get murdered, stabbed, shot at, vomited on, spat at, witness animal cruelty, knocked down, get stuck for fifty two hours in traffic, get tasered, drug raped, get beaten up on the Luas, ran over by the DART, attacked by a bull terrier, slagged off by scum, questioned by a criminal gang.

And short changed. You see these stories about Dublin on the internet all the time and they always happen to people not from Dublin, but from Ireland.



I said it never happened to me! Read the posts!

No, you, quite snidely in fact, implied it was a load of made up balls. You may not have meant to imply that (but let's be honest, you absolutely meant to), but you did.

John_Rambo

J Mysterio wrote: »

Well, 'from Dublin, so yeah, I tip' implies that if you are from Dublin, you tip. The statement also inherently sets Dublin apart from other places.

Nonsense. "I'm a New Yorker, so I tip" doesn't exclude Bostonian's from tipping. It does hint that there's a culture of tipping in New York that doesn't prevail everywhere in America. The exact same applies in Ireland.

So take your hand wringing offense, shock and outrage off with yourself!

J Mysterio wrote: »

Anyway, I appreciate your clarification, so.. meh.

Any time dude.

Paramite Pie

John_Rambo wrote: »

I just though it was one of those stories. You know, the ones where people come up to Dublin to do a bit of shopping and watch a match and get raped, held up with a syringe, catch AIDS, get murdered, stabbed, shot at, vomited on, spat at, witness animal cruelty, knocked down, get stuck for fifty two hours in traffic, get tasered, drug raped, get beaten up on the Luas, ran over by the DART, attacked by a bull terrier, slagged off by scum, questioned by a criminal gang.

Well I had blocked it out from memory but the waitress 'taking her tip' was only the beginning -- ya see I decided to do some shopping and go see a match and............

*sobs*

Mister Vain

Whenever the word Dublin is mentioned Rambo goes into full on attack mode.

J Mysterio

John_Rambo wrote: »

Nonsense. "I'm a New Yorker, so I tip" doesn't exclude Bostonian's from tipping. It does hint that there's a culture of tipping in New York that doesn't prevail everywhere in America. The exact same applies in Ireland.

The same doesnt apply in Ireland you obnoxious oaf. People tip in Tipperary town, in Tullamore and in Killarney. They tip all over. People are just people and throughout this thread you have demonstrated a belief that people from Dublin are somehow more enlightened and have better social graces - i'm afraid you yourself disprove that, aside from the fact its utter nonsense.

J Mysterio

Mister Vain wrote: »

Whenever the word Dublin is mentioned Rambo goes into full on attack mode.

Indeed - very superior and condescending.

EagererBeaver

On top of the condescending obnoxiousness, "I'm from Dublin ergo I tip" is just wrong in the first place. I'm from Belfast and lived in Dublin for ten years and now live in Barcelona. A right city slicker by his definition. Sometimes I tip. Sometimes I tip a lot. Sometimes I don't tip at all. It's got absolutely shag all to do with where I'm from.

Mesrine65

I'm a Dub & I don't tip :eek:

EagererBeaver

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I'm a Dub & I don't tip :eek:

Controversial...

Mesrine65

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Controversial...

Tight arse bastid :pac::pac::pac:

J Mysterio

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I'm a Dub & I don't tip :eek:

I was going to thank your post... But then I thought 'tight fωcker'! :pac:

John_Rambo

J Mysterio wrote: »

The same doesnt apply in Ireland you obnoxious oaf. People tip in Tipperary town, in Tullamore and in Killarney. They tip all over. People are just people and throughout this thread you have demonstrated a belief that people from Dublin are somehow more enlightened and have better social graces - i'm afraid you yourself disprove that, aside from the fact its utter nonsense.

Yes it does.

Rural people don't tip as much as city people. Work as a waiter/waitress and you'll soon learn. It's ok, that's the way it is, I still think you're a great bunch of lads.

(ease off on the personal abuse please)

Mister Vain wrote: »

Whenever the word Dublin is mentioned Rambo goes into full on attack mode.

Nonsense Mister Vain, read back on the thread, I mentioned that I was a Dub, so I tip and I got a this enraged overreaction from Mysterio!

J Mysterio wrote: »

Wtf!

Mister Vain

John_Rambo wrote: »

Nonsense Mister Vain, read back on the thread, I mentioned that I was a Dub, so I tip and I got a this enraged overreaction from Mysterio!

Any thread where someone posts an experience they had in Dublin that's even remotely negative you get incredibly defensive and try to contradict them. You're always at it. Give it a rest man. There's no agenda here.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No it's not part of our culture. In the US these people are on about $2 an hour, plus 15% of the bill on each table they service. Just a different system entirely to what's practiced over here.

Leave the change or whatever if you feel the service was to a very high standard but never feel obliged to do so.

The min wage is per state, with the majority paying over $7. There are two states with no minimum wage and only one state with a minimum wage of $2.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx

Tip if the service is good, don't tip if it's shít. Obligaroty tipping is bullcrap.

John_Rambo

Mister Vain wrote: »

Any thread where someone posts an experience they had in Dublin that's even remotely negative you get incredibly defensive and try to contradict them. You're always at it. Give it a rest man. There's no agenda here.

I sort of like doing it though. And more than often they're wrong. But, I'll take your advice and ease off on it. I know there's no agenda.

haymur

Staff at Burger King and McD'd and other fast food joints dont get tipped here and it seemed the same in the US and I am sure they are not on high wages

zcorpian88

Minderbinder wrote: »

Honestly I'm not big on tipping. I tip only when the service goes above and beyond the acceptable standard. I don't see why I should give someone my hard earned money when they don't work hard to earn it.

This is especially the case in Ireland where tipping has not been the done thing (until recently at least). In America I'd be more flexible but in Ireland people in the service industry would be better paid.

So, do you tip? If so, how much and why?

Lot of hotel workers I know have gotten their hours cut from full time down to part time hours and struggle to get by, even happens coming up to Christmas when hotels become very quiet, saying hotel workers don't work hard is a bit of a sweeping generalization Minderbinder, my own mother worked like a dog in a hotel for 12 years during the 90's and well into the boom years and she was rarely tipped. My Dad still works in a hotel and I haven't heard of him getting a tip since the economy went to hell.

My Dad is 50 odd years old worked as a night porter for most of his working life in hotels, had to deal with making guests comfortable along with all the negatives of the job, a lot of drunken scumbags that keep the hotel up half the night with general anti-social behaviour, rowdy hen-nights, rows from rich d**kheads demanding this that and the other thing, language barriers with guests, having drug users and dealers turfed out of wherever he was working.

Is tipping expected in Ireland, in most Irish hotels, I think it should be, every little helps, the extra few bob might make up for a lot that they might have to deal with on the job that you might not know about. The amount of stories my Dad has told me over the years of idiot managers, troublesome guests that do all sorts that make the job a wreck the head as well as that he's picked up all sorts of injuries on the job, likely to be from lugging tables around for functions that were on. He's currently in a heap with pretty bad shoulder injury and can't even take the time off to mend it.

rubadub

Sleepy wrote: »

We were a perfect example of why it was crazy - she got the same wage as I did but came home with nearly twice the cash simply for being a pretty girl who happened to work in an industry that benefits from the Americanisation of our culture.

I knew lads in college who went to boston for patricks day and a few days after, the single day working in a pub on paddys day with tips paid for their flights and entire trip. It's ludicrous over there, they were going on about how stupid it was, tipping even more because they were actually irish.

haymur wrote: »

Staff at Burger King and McD'd and other fast food joints dont get tipped here and it seemed the same in the US and I am sure they are not on high wages

My mate tipped in a white castle in the US, it was very awkward, they did not know what to make of it and we were saying to him after "ye eejit, you don't tip in a place like this". You could see them telling other staff. When we went to eat them we found they had doubled up all our burgers for free!

In bars I found we got free shots after tipping, there is some term for this I cannot remember. I hate the whole thing though, still think it should be outlawed, or at least extremely frowned upon. In some countries its viewed as an insult.

Rezident

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I tip like I like to be tipped.

20% if the service is bad, 50% if it's good

You reward bad service!? Why on earth would you do that?

ZERO tip for bad service, save it up and reward the good service.

hadepsx

They can tip on ta be fcuked.

rubadub

Rezident wrote: »

You reward bad service!? Why on earth would you do that?
.

Well he said he tips like he likes to be tipped. Perhaps he is in one of these commonly "tippable jobs" and is a brutal rude bollocks but likes it when he still gets a 20% tip for his knowingly bad service - paid to him by complete fucking idiots who still feel they have to.

Mesrine65

Did ye ever hear tell of the story of the leper & the prostitute?

He left her a tip :eek:

SMJSF

I was in a new local coffee shop a few days ago that had only been open a few weeks, (run by I think Russians maybe, the name isn't English!) And I had ordered what I wanted (mocha to go E3) had a E10 note and E3 in change, handed over the E3 change, and your one raised one brow and starting tapping her hand on the tip cup!!!!!
Now, I've never tipped, because I'm never in the appropriate places for it, but I just thought it was so rude!
Why would I give you more money, to use the cash register??
I gave my typical female b1tchy smile and said thank you walked out. Cheeky git!!!!!

EagererBeaver

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it's so important to tip taxi drivers in Ireland? Their prices are absolutely extortionate in the first place. No way am I tipping someone who rips me off to begin with.

Their prices are set by a regulator and, when you factor in the crazy cost of insurance and cars in Ireland, they are struggling to break even

astonaidan

Spent a year in Toronto getting sub standard service , because I had to tip.
At least here in Ireland you only tip if you think the service is worth it

marmurr1916

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

Alright it's been fun but I think we've taken this as far as it'll go. Thanks to all the social warriors who are either too good to tip or strong willed enough not to cave into the server lobby and refuse to add a few euro to the bill for the people who cooked and served your meal.

In Ireland a server is some yoke to do with computers. People who serve you food and drink are called waiters or waitresses. And it's the jacks, not the bathroom. Feckin' Yanks. :rolleyes:

marmurr1916

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you like Phil Collins?

Maybe he prefers Huey Lewis and the News?

Cookie_Monster

since when is tipping the barber even a thing?

flas

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Their prices are set by a regulator and, when you factor in the crazy cost of insurance and cars in Ireland, they are struggling to break even

That's why they zip by you in the city centre at the weekends with an empty car or pull in,ask where you are going and drive off again in a huff when the fare will only amount to 12euro, all because they are basically breaking even! If I was in a situation like them where I was actively able to turn down business on a regular basis I would not complain about just breaking even...

Edit: For clarification I work in city centre and don't finish work until late at night,after last buses etc. and it is a regular occurrence

DanC90

I tip in places I visit or use often.
The delivery driver of the local Chinese or Pizza place is one I always tip a euro or 2 to and I seem to always get my food quicker than my mate next door who orders from the same Chinese and doesn't tip but is waiting 30-45 minutes whereas it will be here in 15-20 for me.

The local pub, if we order food we would usually leave at least E2 to the waiter/waitress. At least a fiver in a restaurant.

My order in the local coffee shop is E5.70 so I always just round up to 6 for that and always get great service there.

Everything else I don't tip, rarely use taxis and I pay E17 for a haircut which is way overpriced for what it is in the first place IMO but the barber is the only reliable one at cutting my hair the way I want so I just stick to going there.

SAMTALK

zcorpian88 wrote: »

My Dad is 50 odd years old worked as a night porter for most of his working life in hotels, had to deal with making guests comfortable along with all the negatives of the job, a lot of drunken scumbags that keep the hotel up half the night with general anti-social behaviour, rowdy hen-nights, rows from rich d**kheads demanding this that and the other thing, language barriers with guests, having drug users and dealers turfed out of wherever he was working.

Is tipping expected in Ireland, in most Irish hotels, I think it should be, every little helps, the extra few bob might make up for a lot that they might have to deal with on the job that you might not know about. The amount of stories my Dad has told me over the years of idiot managers, troublesome guests that do all sorts that make the job a wreck the head as well as that he's picked up all sorts of injuries on the job, likely to be from lugging tables around for functions that were on. He's currently in a heap with pretty bad shoulder injury and can't even take the time off to mend it.

Why not tip doctors and nurses working in A and E when drunks/druggies come in and are abusive to the staff? . Why not tip the door man at nightclub who has to deal with abuse when refusing entry?
Most jobs have a down side to be honest.

worded

I've listened to talks on happiness on www.ted.com from people of different walks of life. Well worth a listed. Search for happiness
Rich or poor the one thing that makes people happy is giving.

I worked as a waiter years ago and loved it. Biggest tip was 80 euro!
There a chaos of catering and the comradary that addictive.

There is no reason why you can't reward anyone for excellent service.

A&E people can be sent a bottle of wine etc afterwards, it doesn't have to be money. A thankyou post card etc

If you imagine your self in the persons job, what would they like or need as a small gift?

Blank CDs are cheap, I used to put mixs together and give them to people, the gift of music.

Giving feels good :-)

On the subject its time to give to the boards run Santa club charity

EagererBeaver

Deleted User wrote: »

Their prices are set by a regulator and, when you factor in the crazy cost of insurance and cars in Ireland, they are struggling to break even

That's entirely subjective. All businesses have overheads.

SAMTALK

worded wrote: »

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There is no reason why you can't reward anyone for excellent service.

A&E people can be sent a bottle of wine etc afterwards, it doesn't have to be money. A thankyou post card etc

If you imagine your self in the persons job, what would they like or need as a small gift?


As you could with anybody who gives a service be it a nurse or waiter.
You do a job and you get paid at the end of week/month. I dont get why people think waiters/waitresses should be tipped above anybody else providing a service that is part of their job description

c_man

zcorpian88 wrote: »

Is tipping expected in Ireland, in most Irish hotels, I think it should be

Yeah, you and employers. Look I've done my time in hotels and my parents broke their backs working in them too over the years, so I know your heart is in the right place but you must also remember that the owners/people running these places are (more often than not) kUnts.

It must be ten years ago now but I remember skimming through a VFI magazine during one of my very short breaks working in one particular hotel. The main piece of that issue was a report by a team of hoteillers/VFI guys who undertook a research trip to the states looking at tips. Essentially the whole magazine was outlining how fantastic tipping could be, how to encourage it in your workplace etc etc. They weren't coming at it from a good place, they reckoned it would allow lower wages/longer working hours.

There's nothing wrong with giving a barman the occasional price of a pint for instance, but let's try to aim for a society where people are adequately paid for what they do eh? Saw a tip jar in a Dunkin' Donuts in the states, you have to laugh.

_Kaiser_

I tip the barber and usually do if eating out, or sometimes I'll tip the delivery guy. Can't remember the last time I got a taxi but usually left them the change if they didn't take the scenic route.

Thing now though is that with more and more stuff being paid for by debit/credit cards I rarely have cash on me most of the time.

John_Rambo

worded wrote: »

I've listened to talks on happiness on www.ted.com from people of different walks of life. Well worth a listed. Search for happiness
Rich or poor the one thing that makes people happy is giving.

I worked as a waiter years ago and loved it. Biggest tip was 80 euro!
There a chaos of catering and the comradary that addictive.

There is no reason why you can't reward anyone for excellent service.

A&E people can be sent a bottle of wine etc afterwards, it doesn't have to be money. A thankyou post card etc

If you imagine your self in the persons job, what would they like or need as a small gift?

Blank CDs are cheap, I used to put mixs together and give them to people, the gift of music.

Giving feels good :-)

On the subject its time to give to the boards run Santa club charity

Agreed, some of the excuses here are hilarious, also the ones pretending they just don't understand why they should tip someone that's getting a wage!!

If you don't tip in a restaurant after a really good time, you're tight. But it's ok, you're scabby, that's the way you are!

XR3i

don't eat yellow snow

DivingDuck

John_Rambo wrote: »

If you don't tip in a restaurant after a really good time, you're tight. But it's ok, you're scabby, that's the way you are!

As someone who has always tipped because of social convention (it's scabby not to) and/or fear of reprisal if I disregard that convention (something in your food next time you visit), I still take issue with the idea. The post you quoted suggested tipping anyone you fancied in whatever way you please, which I can completely understand. But why did you reduce it to waitstaff only?

What is your argument to support the idea that waitstaff deserve a wage top-up that people in other jobs don't? Is waiting tables harder than cleaning, or folding clothes in a shop all day, or standing in a petrol station all night, or scanning items in a supermarket? Why are these jobs, some of which are just as physically taxing, and nearly all of which require as much customer interaction, not deserving of extra money from customers where people who bring them food are?

How many times do the customer have to pay for the service?
once, as in they pay the bill,
or twice as they pay the bill and the staff!

IMHO it should be once and that staff be paid a decent wage so that they aren't dependent on tips to earn a living wage.

salamanca22

In the end of the day I am a firm believer of the get paid what you are worth model.

If someone spends 4 years plus in college and then are constantly upskilling like most professionals are then they deserve to be paid a lot higher than the person who is working the unskilled job. If a waiter is working in a busy restaurant they might get 5 or 6 tables an hour. Depending on the restaurant the bill will vary but let's just say for a table of 4 you are spending at least €100 (It is usually higher but lets keep it round). If we were to use the american system of tipping which would probably average 20% of the bill that is €20 per table per hour. After the waiter tips out the kitchen and bus staff then you are likely looking at at least €10 of it in your pocket. 10 by 5 tables is 50 euro an hour being tipped plus their wage.

That is almost €60 an hour if every table tipped. I know every table does not tip, but I am addressing the fact that is the situation if they did as a lot of people on this thread seems to think should be.

Now, how is that fair? Being a waiter does not require much training or education yet you would be making more than a huge portion of professionals out there with years of study behind them.

This is not me trying to be superior to anyone. I worked the menial jobs in my past and would never expect what some people seem to expect. I worked minimum wage and less than minimum wage (Before I was 18) and never once thought to myself I should be getting a pay equal to that of the person working in the offices that have worked to get where they are.

Waiters get paid a wage, it is not up to me to supplement that.

KungPao

I tip if it's in my own interests...i.e. I couldn't be arsed waiting for change.

Everyone gets a decent wage here, no reason for this tipping business.

Waiters in restaurants should just be happy they have customers (aka the people who generate the money for their wages)...expecting extra is pushing their luck. I'm not a total stinge though...if it was a large get together and they were very attentive etc, go on have a few quid and good luck.

John_Rambo

DivingDuck wrote: »

As someone who has always tipped because of social convention (it's scabby not to) and/or fear of reprisal if I disregard that convention (something in your food next time you visit), I still take issue with the idea. The post you quoted suggested tipping anyone you fancied in whatever way you please, which I can completely understand. But why did you reduce it to waitstaff only?

What is your argument to support the idea that waitstaff deserve a wage top-up that people in other jobs don't? Is waiting tables harder than cleaning, or folding clothes in a shop all day, or standing in a petrol station all night, or scanning items in a supermarket? Why are these jobs, some of which are just as physically taxing, and nearly all of which require as much customer interaction, not deserving of extra money from customers where people who bring them food are?

I'm happy to tip for good service and happy to not tip for bad service. You're the one that's unhappy to tip, but still does out of fear or peer pressure.

I have tipped a cloths shop staff member for good service! The guy acted like a personal shopper for me! I don't tip everyone, because I know where to draw the line. A person scanning things in a supermarket isn't having direct contact with me, serving me food, advising me on what wine is good with what food, organising food for my kid, cleaning up after me, bringing me water...etc.

I don't think you're confused regarding who to tip and who not to tip, anyone with a bit of cop knows who to tip. You're just tight. So are you Salamanca22, you're long winding excuses and lectures about how well educated you are doesn't cut the mustard. You're just tight.

DivingDuck

John_Rambo wrote: »

I don't think you're confused regarding who to tip and who not to tip, anyone with a bit of cop knows who to tip. You're just tight. So are you Salamanca22, you're long winding excuses and lectures about how well educated you are doesn't cut the mustard. You're just tight.

I don't believe I have ever solicited advice from a waiter on what to order. I read the menu, make my own selection along with a drink choice, and expect them to return with same in a reasonable timeframe. When I'm finished, they take my plate away. That's literally all I ask from waitstaff, and I assume they are being paid a reasonable wage for doing so in this country, since it's illegal if they're not.

How is this different to someone who has to scan my groceries at the supermarket, wipe up whatever items spill on the belt, and chat to me while they're doing so? Depending on the size of the shop, I'd usually spend more time in the company of the person running the till than I would a waiter in a restaurant. I really can't see why one person deserves a tip and the other doesn't.

I am happy to tip for service that falls outside of a person's normal duties. Very happy. If someone does more than what their employer is paying for, I believe someone else should pay, and that someone is me. When someone does the job they're paid for and no more, I am already paying them as the relevant portion of their wages is coming from the price of my meal or item.

I'm not "confused" about who to tip, I'm saying that some of the jobs where tipping is expected are no different to jobs where tipping isn't custom and that this is illogical, nothing more. I know when social convention demands I tip, and I know when my own personal ethics dictate that I tip, and I accept both. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with the social norm-- which in this instance, I do.

TG1

salamanca22 wrote: »

In the end of the day I am a firm believer of the get paid what you are worth model.

If someone spends 4 years plus in college and then are constantly upskilling like most professionals are then they deserve to be paid a lot higher than the person who is working the unskilled job.

This is the problem, I have a friend who worked in a restaurant full time before deciding to go back to college. Now, having spent 4 years and 12 grand to get her degree, she is working 70+ hours a week while completeing exams.

She was disgusted to learn that she was earning more working less hours in the restaurant as she was regularly doubling her wage with tips.

That's not right.

That being said, I tip 10% religiously in every restaurant I eat in because its the done thing but I don't think it should be. Tipping is fine when the wage is considerably lower to account for it but when the minimum wage is the same as that calculated for someone not earning tips then tipping shouldn't be automatic.

Eugene Norman

salamanca22 wrote: »

In the end of the day I am a firm believer of the get paid what you are worth model.

If someone spends 4 years plus in college and then are constantly upskilling like most professionals are then they deserve to be paid a lot higher than the person who is working the unskilled job. If a waiter is working in a busy restaurant they might get 5 or 6 tables an hour. Depending on the restaurant the bill will vary but let's just say for a table of 4 you are spending at least €100 (It is usually higher but lets keep it round). If we were to use the american system of tipping which would probably average 20% of the bill that is €20 per table per hour. After the waiter tips out the kitchen and bus staff then you are likely looking at at least €10 of it in your pocket. 10 by 5 tables is 50 euro an hour being tipped plus their wage.

That is almost €60 an hour if every table tipped. I know every table does not tip, but I am addressing the fact that is the situation if they did as a lot of people on this thread seems to think should be.

Now, how is that fair? Being a waiter does not require much training or education yet you would be making more than a huge portion of professionals out there with years of study behind them.

This is not me trying to be superior to anyone. I worked the menial jobs in my past and would never expect what some people seem to expect. I worked minimum wage and less than minimum wage (Before I was 18) and never once thought to myself I should be getting a pay equal to that of the person working in the offices that have worked to get where they are.

Waiters get paid a wage, it is not up to me to supplement that.

People do not get paid for having a degree. But for scarcity. Supply and demand.

There's no reason why a good waiter or waitress couldn't earn more than some office workers, why not if good?

What tipping pays for is service. It's paying for efficiency and friendliness. If somebody is really good at that why wouldn't they earn lots of money?

snubbleste

TG1 wrote: »

....That being said, I tip 10% religiously in every restaurant I eat in because its the done thing but I don't think it should be...

It is not the done thing.
You should never tip in Ireland.

Eugene Norman

snubbleste wrote: »

It is not the done thing.
You should never tip in Ireland.

Such odd differences of opinion here. I always tip in restaurants. I've always been out with people who tip.

Where do you guys come from.

Diamond Doll

I'm not usually a big tipper, but today I went to the hairdresser with my hair in absolute bits. I've been unwell, and the last month or so, after washing my hair I've just put it in a bun without drying or even brushing it. It had developed into a matted knotty clumpy mess, basically dreadlocks. It was so bad that it took her half an hour just to get the knots out - at one stage there were a couple of big ones close to the roots that she didn't think she'd be able to get, I thought I'd be leaving with a Sinead O'Connor! But she managed it all in the end, and gave me a lovely haircut.

I was expecting it to be around €50 so I planned on giving her a tenner tip, it was actually only €42 so I gave her €15. She was delighted! And I'm just happy to still have hair!

As for restaurants, cafes, etc, I'd usually leave a small tip if paying with cash ... I'm less likely to if paying with card.

DivingDuck

Diamond Doll wrote: »

But she managed it all in the end, and gave me a lovely haircut.

I was expecting it to be around €50 so I planned on giving her a tenner tip, it was actually only €42 so I gave her €15. She was delighted! And I'm just happy to still have hair!

This is what I'm talking about. In a country where a reasonable wage is legally guaranteed, tipping should be reserved for exceptional circumstances such as this, where someone has gone above and beyond the usual expectations of the role they agreed to perform and have been paid to perform.

(I'm glad you were happy with the result, by the way, and it was lovely of you to leave such a generous tip. It's a good story and a happy ending for everyone.)