The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

Mantis Toboggan

Going for the tried and tested, plenty of young lads on the bench. Will be interesting to see if we can cope with the pace of the cork players. Barry is a liability at full back, he could do a job there but he's vulnerable.

Mantis Toboggan

https://twitter.com/TippSupporters/status/1126941234373775360?s=19

And subs

farmerval

Dissappointed that none of the U21's from last year made it. Especially like the look of Jake Morris, he's very different from anything else we have, or ideed anyone else has. He has a unique style and can win his own ball.
Certainly we're lacking pace everywhere.

Interestingly Cork have dropped the Aidan Walsh experiment.
Their very much staying with the tried and tested. Tim O Mahony is very strong at centre back, but very slow and very green. In the Examiner Wednesday the Rock was very blunt about Aidan Walsh going back to the hurlers this year.

farmerval

Just looked again, no Dan McCormack, is that a fitness issue ?? His ball winning ability would be very welcome.

Mantis Toboggan

farmerval wrote: »

Just looked again, no Dan McCormack, is that a fitness issue ?? His ball winning ability would be very welcome.

Missed all off pre season and the league. Very hard to start back in the first round of championship.

Bonnar is an odd one, didn't expect him to start he's been poor more often than not over the last few years. You'd wonder what was the point of Ronan corner back for the league when we all knew that was nonsense.

hawkwing

More or less the 2016 final team again

1 Darren Gleeson
2 Cathal Barrett
3 James Barry
4 Michael Cahill
5 Séamus Kennedy
6 Ronan Maher
7 Pádraic Maher
8 Brendan Maher (captain)
9 Michael Breen
10 Dan McCormack
11 Patrick Maher
12 Noel McGrath
13 John O'Dwyer
14 Séamus Callinan
15 John McGrath
Substitutes:
19 Jason Forde for M. Breen (45 mins)
25 Niall O'Meara for D. McCormack (62 mins)

I'm suprised that we didnt opt to freshen the team up with 2-3 more of the u21 team from last year. Thought Byrne and Morris had done enough to start at least. In the south stand on Sunday so looking forward to see how things unfold

Clonmel1000

Byrnes had a very ropey league campo getting dragged out of position repeatedly. Morris is not ahead of any of the 3 selections in the full forward line.

Tipp 77

Disappointed last night not to see Joe O'Dwyer in team but how he isn't even on the bench is beyond me.
I think what they are doing is throwing the experienced lads out for the Cork game and if we win then you have a bit of leeway to change things next week for the Waterford game.
It's a team that's good enough to go down there and win.
Jason Forde has the beating of Eoin Cadagan and either Bubbles or John McGrath will be on a debutant.
Cathal Barrett and Mick Breen usually do well against Cork too

Ompala

Few positives and concerns with the team

Positives:
Forde back at full forward where he belongs, though can see a bit of temporary rotation in the game
Seamie out at centre. Is more mobile than any of the lads in the full forward line
Brendan back in the team, can see him and Ronan switching a bit
Barrett in the full back line

Concerns
Hogan in goal. Is more commanding of the square but Maher has better puck outs. Hogan needs to avoiding bombing the ball in high
Sean O'Brien in corner back. Would have Joe O'Dwyer as a better option there
Bonner in the half forwards. Form has been in decline for a long time now. McCormack/Kehoe/Morris are better options.

Not in particular with the team, but concerned that management will be slow to change things if things aren't working e.g if Bubbles isn't working hard enough Kehoe comes on. Team is strong enough to get the win, Cork are definitely beatable. Will have to wait and see now.

Xenophile

Team and Subs to play Cork.

1. Brian Hogan – Lorrha-Dorrha
2. Cathal Barrett – Holycross-Ballycahill
3. James Barry – Upperchurch-Drombane
4. Seán O’Brien – Newport
5. Brendan Maher – Borris-Ileigh
6. Ronan Maher – Thurles Sarsfields
7. Padraic Maher – Thurles Sarsfields
8. Noel McGrath – Loughmore-Castleiney
9. Michael Breen – Ballina
10. Niall O’Meara – Kilruane MacDonaghs
11. Séamus Callanan (Capt.) – Drom-Inch
12. Patrick Maher – Lorrha-Dorrha
13. John O’Dwyer – Killenaule
14. Jason Forde – Silvermines
15. John McGrath – Loughmore-Castleiney


16. Paul Maher – Moyne-Templetuohy
17. Ger Browne -Knockavilla-Donaskeigh Kickhams
18. Robert Byrne – Portroe
19. Willie Connors – Kiladangan
20. Cian Darcy – Kilruane MacDonaghs
21. Alan Flynn – Kiladangan
22. Barry Heffernan – Nenagh Éire Óg
23. Mark Kehoe – Kilsheelan-Kilcash
24. Donagh Maher – Burgess
25. Dan McCormack – Borris-Ileigh
26. Jake Morris – Nenagh Éire Óg

Xenophile

Team and Subs to play Limerick.

1. Evan Comerford – Kilsheelan-Kilcash
2. Alan Campbell – Moyle Rovers
3. John Meagher – Loughmore-Castleiney
4. Shane O’Connell – Golden-Kilfeacle
5. Kevin Fahey – Clonmel Commercials
6. Robbie Kiely – Carbery Rangers
7. Emmett Moloney – Drom-Inch
8. Steven O’Brien – Ballina
9. Liam Casey – Cahir
10. Josh Keane – Golden-Kilfeacle
11. Paul Maher – Kilsheelan-Kilcash
12. Brian Fox – Éire Óg Annacarty-Donohill
13. Conor Sweeney (Capt.) – Ballyporeen
14. Michael Quinlivan – Clonmel Commercials
15. Liam McGrath – Loughmore-Castleiney


16. Michael O’Reilly – Clonmel Commercials
17. Jimmy Feehan – Killenaule
18. Bill Maher – Kilsheelan-Kilcash
19. Gavin Whelan – Ardfinnan
20. Jack Kennedy – Clonmel Commercials
21. Daire Brennan – Kilsheelan-Kilcash
22. Liam Boland – Moyle Rovers
23. Dan O’Meara – Kiladangan
24. Ben Hyland – Fr. Sheehy’s
25. John Lyons – Grangemockler-Ballyneale
26. Jack Delahunty – Newport

Mokuba

Kerins shouldn't be given another game, no point as we will get another hammering in the qualifiers with him in charge. Absolute embarrassment all year culminating with today, one of the worst results in the last decade for us.

Xenophile

Obvious that our football coaches do not coach our forwards to take on the backs.
Limerick took on our backs and scored three great goals.

windy shepard henderson

Mokuba wrote: »

Kerins shouldn't be given another game, no point as we will get another hammering in the qualifiers with him in charge. Absolute embarrassment all year culminating with today, one of the worst results in the last decade for us.

i agree totally , what tipperary have done under age and behind the scenes over the last few years deserve better leadership then what they have , i dont rate the guy at all , someone like Charlie McGeever deserves a shot at it i think

Triboro

+1 for Charlie

Tally Wager

I would be happy with McGeever and Declan Laffan of Loughmore in some capacity ! 2 Men with Tipp Football knowledge . I feel with Kearns all he wants is Championship success . He doesn`t care about Tipp Football long term as he won`t be around unlike John Evans who tried with considerable success to develop Football at all levels ! Yesterday was a shambles and hopefully today Kearns does the decent thing ! ! !

Tipp 77

I wasn't at the match last night so I won't comment on that but I'd always try and get to a few games every year and there are a lot of reoccurring things. How many times have we been in complete control of league matches and lost them in the last five mins?
Last year against Cork we completely flopped same last night by the sounds of it.
There is a lot more in that team than Kearns is getting out of them.
With Quinliven Sweeney we have to be putting up more than 1.11

Mantis Toboggan

3 things today which will be crucial and if we can them right we should win, 1 puck outs, both our puck out strategy and also how we deal with corks. 2 what's our plan to combat the lack of pace especially in the backs? 3 James Barry, good full back but Hoggie has the ability to roast him, if that happens we need a plan B.

Big day for Sheedy.

Mokuba

Tally Wager wrote: »

I would be happy with McGeever and Declan Laffan of Loughmore in some capacity ! 2 Men with Tipp Football knowledge . I feel with Kearns all he wants is Championship success . He doesn`t care about Tipp Football long term as he won`t be around unlike John Evans who tried with considerable success to develop Football at all levels ! Yesterday was a shambles and hopefully today Kearns does the decent thing ! ! !

We have 2 championship wins since our semi final loss in 2016, one of which was against Waterford!

Some of the players we have are top class. No excuses any more. He needs to go now.

Tipp 77

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

3 things today which will be crucial and if we can them right we should win, 1 puck outs, both our puck out strategy and also how we deal with corks. 2 what's our plan to combat the lack of pace especially in the backs? 3 James Barry, good full back but Hoggie has the ability to roast him, if that happens we need a plan B.

Big day for Sheedy.

I think Barrett will pick up Horgan but Cork will definitely try and move Barry around maybe with Harnedy. The midfield and forwards need to work really hard to stop the pin point passes that Cork will be trying to put in.
To be honest I think Cork might have a bigger problem at fullback than we have though. Cadogan isnt great either. Forde could go to town on him.

Xenophile

Triboro wrote: »

+1 for Charlie

Yes, Charlie McGreever's time has come.

nw5iytvs0lf1uz

Today will tell a lot. Nice sunny day against a younger faster cork in cork.
Win today and it’s sets tipp up for hopefully getting to an all Ireland semi which would be a good year
Lose and while not impossible it does make getting out of Munster very hard

I think for tipp to win today they will need the bench when introduced to perform to a very high standard.
I just think cork are a better team then us at moment and will win by 5

callaway92

Ehm... did they not give the goal to Callanan there???

The Lost Sheep

Tally Wager wrote: »

I would be happy with McGeever and Declan Laffan of Loughmore in some capacity! 2 Men with Tipp Football knowledge. I feel with Kearns all he wants is Championship success. He doesnt care about Tipp Football long term as he wont be around unlike John Evans who tried with considerable success to develop Football at all levels! Yesterday was a shambles and hopefully today Kearns does the decent thing!!!

Should he have to care about football long term in the county? His job is to do best he can in the here and now(not that looks like he's getting anywhere near that right now)

callaway92 wrote: »

Ehm... did they not give the goal to Callanan there???

They did i thought.

PlayByTheRules

Best game Niall O’Meara has had in a Tipp jersey, I was very impressed

Donald Trumped

Donald Trumped wrote: »

As a Clare man I feel that Tipp will reach an Munster final and All-Ireland final at least this year. I am expecting savage workrate and intensity from Liam Sheedy's men this year. Along with the addition of Eamonn O'Shea an outstanding coach and innovator to the Tipp backroom team, I think that fans in the Premier county can expect a most positive 2019. I believe that a fit Brendan Maher will be huge for the Tipp men. Jason Forde, Seamus Callanan, Jake Morris, Noel McGrath, John McGrath and if back to his 2016 best, Bubbles will be huge players for what Sheedy is trying to implement his pressing attacking style to his side. Those 6 alone will put up at least 18 to 20 points between them in most matches.

The big question is always about their defense. I would expect some of the 6 players that I mentioned to drop back deep and offer protection and do their own job in tracking Cork's running game on Sunday.

For the record, I do expect Tipp to have wins over Cork, Waterford and Clare. That will mean 6 points from 3 matches and with Limerick on the last game of the Munster Championship round robin and if as expected they also achieve 3 wins from 3 before the 16th of June clash then get set for one hell of a Munster final between both teams, come the last day in June.

Just exactly as I called it in the above. Tipp most impressive today. Paudie Maher was a class apart in the defense. While in attack, Bubbles looks like he in the best physical shape he ever has been. Callanan immense. The two McGraths brilliant. Liam Sheedy is the real deal though. They looked exceptionally fit too and the new S&C coach is doing trojan work with them by all accounts. Eamonn O'Shea's return to the Tipp set-up is just huge.

It was my opinion that Tipp would win Liam McCarthy this year. However I also thought that Galway would be thereabouts too. On the basis of their lacklustre display against Carlow today, you would be a bit worried about the tribesmen. Anyways a great day for the Premier county. Roll on June 2nd in Ennis where the battlelines are set to be drawn. Should be a cracker. Before that the Tipp lads take on Waterford next weekend. The championship is well and truly alive and well.

Mokuba

It's one game. Good win but after not even winning a game last year we should be taking each game as it comes. Focus on finishing 3rd and anything else is a bonus.

Great day though. They look so much fitter which is fantastic.

Joe_ Public

That catch on the end line by John Mac - just phenomenal! Thats my moment of the match right there. I'm delighted about a lot of things today but, most of all, to see the smile on Johns face again, the sheer unalloyed joy of playing and scoring, being at the heart of it all. It had been missing for a little bit i think.

nw5iytvs0lf1uz

Bubbles like a different man looks lean and fit and was back to his best today
It was a good crowd today and a good game
Waterford will be a good one too so hope good tipp crowd will be there

marvin80

Mokuba wrote: »

It's one game. Good win but after not even winning a game last year we should be taking each game as it comes. Focus on finishing 3rd and anything else is a bonus.

Exactly - some bullsh*t already about Tipp being main contenders for the All-Ireland, a long way to go. Next Sunday is going to be a tricky match.

OAOB

A lot of positives to take from today, a good win and a good performance but most importantly the attitude and hunger was a step up from the last few seasons.
The forwards came away from a lot of rucks with the ball but shooting was a bit off today.
The backs gave away too many frees but it seemed to be a tactic to prevent Cork running through us. It was cynical at times but we'll take winning dirty

Biggest difference from last year was our clever use of the ball throughout the field, it had Eamonn O'Shea's mark all over it. Very rarely did backs just lump the ball forward.

Today's performance doesn't make us one of the top contenders yet but other counties will have sat up and taken note

digzy

marvin80 wrote: »

Exactly - some bullsh*t already about Tipp being main contenders for the All-Ireland, a long way to go. Next Sunday is going to be a tricky match.

Tbf haven’t heard much of that talk.
However, today’s a great start. We beat one of the contenders away from home.

I thought we were in trouble once I saw Sheedy go back to the likes of bubbles and the bonnar.
But fair play to all of them. We’ve been struggling since the league final 2017. Great to see the team flow like that.

Don’t think we’ll be too far off. Don’t believe all the hype re limerick. Won’t be much between any of the Munster sides in this championship

farmerval

All credit to Liam Sheedy. Even knowing he needed Eamon O Shea back working with the players. I was wondering at one stage had he been too quick naming Seamie as captain, was it coming back to bite him, but no way, Seamie was my man of the match today, his hunger and workrate along with his obvious skills were excellent.
The half backline really nullified so many Cork puck outs, ity really scuppered much of the Cork game plan. I was dissapointed with Michael Breen today, thought the game passed him by, otherwise I thought we were excellent. Lovely to see Brendan Maher back in Blue and Gold and lording it at wing back. We have struggled to fill Declan Fannings void on that wing for a long time.

Tally Wager

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Should he have to care about football long term in the county? His job is to do best he can in the here and now(not that looks like he's getting anywhere near that right now)

They did i thought.

Why would he ? He is a Mercenary , here for the short haul , he`s gone one way or another at the end of this year ! McGeever and Laffan would have a better knowledge and understanding of the game within Tipp and entice lads onto the Football Panel who might be happy to sit on the Hurley bench or on the fringes of it for example .

Interesting to see Jason Lonergan in the Stand last night , Kearns wasn`t fair with him after Lonergan went to the USA for the Summer a couple of years ago and he fell out of favour ! I wouldn`t be Lonergans biggest fan but he is young and has potential and given proper coaching and development who knows ? Time for the right local people to be involved I feel !

Tally Wager

Tally Wager wrote: »

Why would he ? He is a Mercenary , here for the short haul , he`s gone one way or another at the end of this year ! McGeever and Laffan would have a better knowledge and understanding of the game within Tipp and entice lads onto the Football Panel who might be happy to sit on the Hurley bench or on the fringes of it for example .

Interesting to see Jason Lonergan in the Stand last night , Kearns wasn`t fair with him after Lonergan went to the USA for the Summer a couple of years ago and he fell out of favour ! I wouldn`t be Lonergans biggest fan but he is young and has potential and given proper coaching and development who knows ? Time for the right local people to be involved I feel !

Hey id agree that its probably time for a new man, but I think you are being a tad unfair to Liam here. I think he's achieved alot with us during his four seasons, and that he has done the best he can. I wont fault his effort one bit but i do feel the element of surprise was gone from us after 2016.

Looking at the likes of Carlow though under Turlough O'Brien, or Laois hurling under Cheddar Plunkett, i think Tipperary need a true Tipp football man of similar mould who loves and is invested in Tipperary football. Nothing against outside expertise but sometimes you have to go back to basics and find someone who is invested emotionally and who can provide a plan and some better structure for future.

Look at the hurling, Liam Sheedy is probably not noted for his individual training ground input, but what he is good at is delegating, motivating, planning and recruiting the very best. And Liam does this because he loves Tipperary hurling and wants to see us amongst the very best. Thats the calibre Tipp football need to aim. Whether we have that calibre of football personnel in the county or not who knows.

No team would live with the ferocity and will that Tipp played with today. It's no coincidence that Sheedy kept referring to our lack of physicality from last two years in any interview ive read and that we had alot of work to do.

That work showed today. We got stuck in from the first whistle. Cork were absolutely shell shocked. Liam knew we couldnt go gung ho for the league and expect to be in peak physical form for this round robin. He has has learned the lesson from his predecessor Mick Ryan.

We do it all again next week. We have to go back to the well and prepare for a young Waterford team who will no doubt have a point to prove. Interesting couple of weeks ahead

windy shepard henderson

Deleted User wrote: »

Hey id agree that its probably time for a new man, but I think you are being a tad unfair to Liam here. I think he's achieved alot with us during his four seasons, and that he has done the best he can. I wont fault his effort one bit but i do feel the element of surprise was gone from us after 2016.

Looking at the likes of Carlow though under Turlough O'Brien, or Laois hurling under Cheddar Plunkett, i think Tipperary need a true Tipp football man of similar mould who loves and is invested in Tipperary football. Nothing against outside expertise but sometimes you have to go back to basics and find someone who is invested emotionally and who can provide a plan and some better structure for future.

Look at the hurling, Liam Sheedy is probably not noted for his individual training ground input, but what he is good at is delegating, motivating, planning and recruiting the very best. And Liam does this because he loves Tipperary hurling and wants to see us amongst the very best. Thats the calibre Tipp football need to aim. Whether we have that calibre of football personnel in the county or not who knows.

Deleted User wrote: »

No team would live with the ferocity and will that Tipp played with today. It's no coincidence that Sheedy kept referring to our lack of physicality from last two years in any interview ive read and that we had alot of work to do.

That work showed today. We got stuck in from the first whistle. Cork were absolutely shell shocked. Liam knew we couldnt go gung ho for the league and expect to be in peak physical form for this round robin. He has has learned the lesson from his predecessor Mick Ryan.

We do it all again next week. We have to go back to the well and prepare for a young Waterford team who will no doubt have a point to prove. Interesting couple of weeks ahead

starting with football , really tipp need someone that understands tipp football , kerins did well in year one but never really got the best out of the squad after that , colm collins had no intercounty experience when taken over us in 2013 but had a strong club career as club player and later manager and understood what it took to get lads to commit especially in a hurling county i dont think any kerry man is prepared for that ,


in hurling as i said in the clare thread tonight there is no denying talent in the tipp squad but confidence is a huge issue ,but eamon o'shea is a huge
influence on this side , i remember meeting him at a clare game against galway a few years back , we got hammered the same day in thurles in a all ireland 1/4 , he was there with mike ryan and declan fanning , he asked us at half time about out opinion on davy fitz tactics at the time and how he taught were much more suited to playing direct hurling and just go for it and see what you have rather then sit back , i disagreed with him that day, fitz left afterwards and last year clare adopted the style of hurling he was talking about and nearly won the all ireland

looking at tipp today they look braver than last year already 11 different scorers i think but most importantly a confidant look all over the field , bubbles has almost been non existent for the last 18 months until today , huge improvement in fairness even if it is only round 1

marvin80

digzy wrote: »

Tbf haven’t heard much of that talk.

Commentators on RTE mentioned it and Paddy Power have them 2nd favourites - I suppose they have their own agendas

Tally Wager

Deleted User wrote: »

Hey id agree that its probably time for a new man, but I think you are being a tad unfair to Liam here. I think he's achieved alot with us during his four seasons, and that he has done the best he can. I wont fault his effort one bit but i do feel the element of surprise was gone from us after 2016.

Looking at the likes of Carlow though under Turlough O'Brien, or Laois hurling under Cheddar Plunkett, i think Tipperary need a true Tipp football man of similar mould who loves and is invested in Tipperary football. Nothing against outside expertise but sometimes you have to go back to basics and find someone who is invested emotionally and who can provide a plan and some better structure for future.

Look at the hurling, Liam Sheedy is probably not noted for his individual training ground input, but what he is good at is delegating, motivating, planning and recruiting the very best. And Liam does this because he loves Tipperary hurling and wants to see us amongst the very best. Thats the calibre Tipp football need to aim. Whether we have that calibre of football personnel in the county or not who knows.

I never said anything about what he has done for us in the previous 3 years at Senior level . I was asked ( post 7226 ) if Kearns cares about Football long term in the County , he doesn`t ! Do yo believe otherwise ?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Look at the crowd they drew against Limerick.

The general public in Tipp just don't give a hoot about the footballers. It's very sad but it's the truth.

If attitudes didn't change when they were winning underage titles and reaching a SFC semi final then they never will.

Mantis Toboggan

Realistically we're not winning anything with the footballers so an early exit might be no harm and pump all available resources into the hurlers to try and get the Mccarthy Cup back.

Was an excellent performance down in cork, certainly answered some questions. Still it's a long season and Cork were very poor I thought, our forwards won't get that space again. Win against Waterford and we'll be almost through to the knock out stages and then anything can happen.

O'Meara certainly will be a loss, he's been very good this season but we should enough on the bench to fill in until he gets back.

Xenophile

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Realistically we're not winning anything with the footballers so an early exit might be no harm and pump all available resources into the hurlers to try and get the Mccarthy Cup back.

I would not agree.

We have got some really talented footballers and we should do everything we can to support them in their chosen sport.

digzy

Xenophile wrote: »

I would not agree.

We have got some really talented footballers and we should do everything we can to support them in their chosen sport.

What are we going to win?

The Lost Sheep

digzy wrote: »

What are we going to win?

Did he say tipp are going to win anything?
More disagreeing about the point that an early exit for footballers would be a good thing as it would allow more resources go towards hurling?

Mantis Toboggan

Xenophile wrote: »

I would not agree.

We have got some really talented footballers and we should do everything we can to support them in their chosen sport.

Absolutely, we've got some talented footballers and yes they should be supported but let's be honest here we ain't winning anything this year. We lost to a Limerick side that are arguably one of the worst in Ireland. That's why I said it might be no harm to be put out of our misery and put the remaining resources into getting the absolute best out of the hurlers who have a realistic chance of winning silverware.

Tally Wager

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Absolutely, we've got some talented footballers and yes they should be supported but let's be honest here we ain't winning anything this year. We lost to a Limerick side that are arguably one of the worst in Ireland. That's why I said it might be no harm to be put out of our misery and put the remaining resources into getting the absolute best out of the hurlers who have a realistic chance of winning silverware.

What do you mean by "remaining resources" ? From what I've been told there is up to €10000 a week available to the SH Panel and backroom Team which is outlandish for an "amateur" sport ! How many more people do you expect to be called into the backroom Team , Eoin Kelly being the latest !

It's like this , there is a hardcore group that get so much enjoyment from following Tipp Football , if we were to end up down at the bottom of Division 4 we would still follow them regardless !

Are Offaly , Wexford and/or Waterford who were beaten in the first round of their Football Championships ( we have alot more Footballing talent than them ) going down the road you suggest ? I wouldn't think so ! ! !

Tipp 77

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Pogue eile

marvin80 wrote: »

Exactly - some bullsh*t already about Tipp being main contenders for the All-Ireland, a long way to go. Next Sunday is going to be a tricky match.

OAOB wrote: »

Today's performance doesn't make us one of the top contenders yet but other counties will have sat up and taken note

Can I ask you both that if Tipp aren't one of the top contenders who to jaysus are?

farmerval wrote: »

I was dissapointed with Michael Breen today, thought the game passed him by, otherwise I thought we were excellent.

I thought Breen had a fine game, I was watching him closely at the match and he completely sacrificed his own game in order to curtail Fitzgibbon who has done untold damage to Tipp in the past, Breen's role is to compliment Noel and allow Noel to pull the strings, its not realistic to have two guys dominating possession and controlling play in midfield, he's the perfect foil for Noel.

JeffKenna

Fair play to Tipp after a fantastic performance Sunday. Hard to see anyone beating them this year.