The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

formerlyET

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NO IT IS NOT! :mad:

Good. Thankful for that - I get that you favour Cahill. But there's no need to be running Willie Maher into the ground. An excellent coach and manager.

formerlyET

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Are you sure now you wouldn't prefer a man who kept Faythe harriers in the senior ranks instead???

Ask R Maher, M Breen, T Fox, B Heffernan; B Maher, J McGrath, what they think of Willie Maher.

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

Ask R Maher, M Breen, T Fox, B Heffernan; B Maher, J McGrath, what they think of Willie Maher.

He hasn't really pushed on since 2012 though. Cahill has built on 2016. Maher has stood still. I wonder did that spell with Derek ruin him

formerlyET

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He hasn't really pushed on since 2012 though. Cahill has built on 2016. Maher has stood still. I wonder did that spell with Derek ruin him

I wouldn't call winning two county finals and a league as standing still.
Or going to Wexford.

Tell me how it ruined him?

digzy

Coybig_ wrote: »

Hopefully we see Cahill in charge of our seniors in 2022.

You’d like to think a few new lads will make it through soon. Can’t imagine paidie, seanie and Brendan have many more seasons in them.

Really think limerick have us ‘sussed’ at this stage

Ompala

formerlyET wrote: »

It's a tactic - the running of the ball. Waterford are using it to its extreme. And it's paying off. My only worry is how it affects a player long term - how long of a career will you have playing that way. And how does the form hold. The hits come harder and more often at senior level - and it's a longer year. It will remain to be seen - I'd like to see how the form plays out with Waterford over a three/four year period. Then we'll see.

For me, if you can make the ball talk, you make the ball talk. You can't outrun a ball. BUt all this will be seen over time.

Yes, I think Barry Hogan has a good puck out game. But is very young, as is Brian Hogan, people forget, he can still develop this part of his game. But it needs improvement big time, you're right.

I don't think we were too static last year. You can look static when you've been figured out. When you're the champion, you're the most studied and we were figured out in lots of ways. But this management team can reflect and i'd expect them to come up with answers.

It's a fair point on long term effects on players. Obviously it is great to win All Irelands etc. but there is life outside of the game and you wouldn't like any long term detrimental effects on people. Richie Power from Kilkenny is one that springs to mind as someone who should have stopped earlier.

One other point to add - there was very good variation in the type of puck outs too. O'Keeffe varied going short, going high dropping ball on a group of defenders and going long to a forward running on with a lower trajectory. It was quite impressive to watch, along with keeping the opposition guessing how to set up.

I was actually referring specifically to Brian Hogan, not Barry Hogan. We do have some very good young keepers in Tipp. I was a big fan of Paul Maher but he seems to have regressed. Most promising to me coming up is Aaron Browne. Excellent shot stopper.

Speaking of Brownes - what is the story with Ger? Phenomenal talent.

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

I wouldn't call winning two county finals and a league as standing still.
Or going to Wexford.

Tell me how it ruined him?

Waterford were anti-hurling under Derek. Their whole mindset was fear of losing rather than winning. Looking at the freedom they playing with now really shows them up. His 'system' was the equivalent of a pandemic on hurling. Thank god we found a vaccine in 2016

As for Cuala, in all honesty he should be winning with them. They were all dominant in Dublin for years. Also they were poor against ballyhale also when they met them in Leinster last year.

digzy

formerlyET wrote: »

There is no debate on whether Cahill is the right man. I'm just arguing against complete dismissal of Willie Maher which is way over the top.

I don't think we lack anything in the S&C department or pace. It's an easy thing people point to. You don't win all-irelands without those things.

Just looking at the last 2 defeats to limerick we looked like we’d lead in our boots. Never looked like beating them. I’m not questioning the s & c but our more experienced players are deteriorating ( albeit I don’t know who was carrying knocks)

formerlyET

Ompala wrote: »

It's a fair point on long term effects on players. Obviously it is great to win All Irelands etc. but there is life outside of the game and you wouldn't like any long term detrimental effects on people. Richie Power from Kilkenny is one that springs to mind as someone who should have stopped earlier.

One other point to add - there was very good variation in the type of puck outs too. O'Keeffe varied going short, going high dropping ball on a group of defenders and going long to a forward running on with a lower trajectory. It was quite impressive to watch, along with keeping the opposition guessing how to set up.

I was actually referring specifically to Brian Hogan, not Barry Hogan. We do have some very good young keepers in Tipp. I was a big fan of Paul Maher but he seems to have regressed. Most promising to me coming up is Aaron Browne. Excellent shot stopper.

Speaking of Brownes - what is the story with Ger? Phenomenal talent.

Yeah, good point re Power. But I was more thinking how does form hold over years when you're playing that kind of running game. Is there a sudden drop over a cliff or can it be sustained. Or even not just over a short championship like this one - how does that kind of running game sustain over a Munster round robin and then into the All-Ireland series. We'll see over time. Because if you're not letting the ball do the work and it's constant carrying - i'd have worries about injuries. I'd be interested to see can Cahill and Bevans sustain a senior side like that, playing like that, over 3 or 4 years.

Yeah, S O'K is nearly 30 so he has the experience and varied puck out play. That said, I didn't think much of his choices to stay on the line for the goals. Particularly TJ's goal.

There's row going on at Ger's club. And he and some of the more talented players have put in transfer requests to Cashel - a big rival. So, it's a disaster. And i see he left the Tipp panel. I don't know if he was told to sort it out or not. But given Seamus Hennessy was an under 21 with the world at his feet, a senior all ireland winner, who lost his career young, i think he might be able to tell young Browne about what it's like to lose something major from your life.

formerlyET

digzy wrote: »

Just looking at the last 2 defeats to limerick we looked like we’d lead in our boots. Never looked like beating them. I’m not questioning the s & c but our more experienced players are deteriorating ( albeit I don’t know who was carrying knocks)

They might just have the recipe that unlocks us. They might be our kryptonite.

That said, I think Liam knows the value of Munster to winning the All-Ireland. I think Liam trains to peak for August. And Limerick have caught us. Both liam's wins have come through the back door... - he also has a bunch of leaders with 6 or 7 munster medals - it's not high on their list. They're only human and hanging around for the ultimate. How many times did those lads roast Munster and lose in an all-ireland series. A lot. Limerick as a team are in a totally different place to most of our team.

That said this management need to look at the Limerick side and come up with something. We played into their hands with selection this time around in a serious way. I was surprised. But injuries also played their role.

I think we'll be in a better place next year - if injuries are not the same issue again. Bubbles and Kennedy were big losses - not to mention the knocks players were carrying. It's okay saying throw in a young lad - but they can get damaged if it's bad...

It'll be interesting to see how Limerick's form holds up now after going through Munster.

formerlyET

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Waterford were anti-hurling under Derek. Their whole mindset was fear of losing rather than winning. Looking at the freedom they playing with now really shows them up. His 'system' was the equivalent of a pandemic on hurling. Thank god we found a vaccine in 2016

As for Cuala, in all honesty he should be winning with them. They were all dominant in Dublin for years. Also they were poor against ballyhale also when they met them in Leinster last year.

But, sure, you could say the same about Ballyhale - they should be winning them. You still have to do it.

How do you get ruined by Derek McGrath - go to Cuala - and get them back winning two in a row - after losing the previous year.

Jizique

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Waterford were anti-hurling under Derek. Their whole mindset was fear of losing rather than winning. Looking at the freedom they playing with now really shows them up. His 'system' was the equivalent of a pandemic on hurling. Thank god we found a vaccine in 2016

As for Cuala, in all honesty he should be winning with them. They were all dominant in Dublin for years. Also they were poor against ballyhale also when they met them in Leinster last year.

They never played Ballyhale - the Carlow champs beat them although they were missing Con after a bad tackle/assault by the Dublin keeper Nolan in the county final; the Carlow champs were beaten by the Laois champs who lost to Ballyhale

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

But, sure, you could say the same about Ballyhale - they should be winning them. You still have to do it.

How do you get ruined by Derek McGrath - go to Cuala - and get them back winning two in a row - after losing the previous year.

Look put simply (although your against plain and simple ) your remembered for your achievements. Liam Cahill's far outweigh Willie mahers and I'd be confident there is absolutely no danger of that changing. I want Tipperary to win. If they don't then they don't, but I'd rather give us the best chance all the same

If we are genuinely looking both of these on equal footing when we are choosing liams replacement which will most probably be in 2022, then its completely laughable.

Billy Ocean

Jizique wrote: »

They never played Ballyhale - the Carlow champs beat them although they were missing Con after a bad tackle/assault by the Dublin keeper Nolan in the county final; the Carlow champs were beaten by the Laois champs who lost to Ballyhale

Not an isolated incident regards Nolan, his trademark at this stage.

Billy Ocean

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Not an isolated incident regards Nolan, his trademark at this stage.

Bubbles Dwyer found out all about it in 14.

farmerval

I think the issue for Tipp over the next year or two will be the spine of the team. Ronan for sure at 3 or 6, probably depending on who's putting their hand up for the other jersey, e.g. if an outstanding full back appeared Ronan could easily go to centre back.
Noel's days at midfield are surely numbered so we need a solid base player there, maybe Dan? or Barry Heffernan? Centre forward has been an achilles heel for us for a long time, being cute and playing roving players lasts only so long, we desperately need a number 11 that can compete for 70 mins.
Full is equally a problem, Seamie getting the right ball is still excellent but the clock is seriously ticking, Forde simply doesn't win enough 50;50 ball. Hopefully John McGrath would be the answer for 11 or 15, but disappointingly apart from last years final John's form in Blue and Gold has been on a downward curve for quite a while.
I think we have loads of lads to fill out a team, but finding the few leaders that can carry the fight, think Paidi and Brendan after 18-20 minutes in last years final is the difficult part. Look an KK at the minute, the lads who looked good beside Mick Fennelly or Brian Hogan or JJ can't carry it on their own.
The big question is can Liam Cahill's underage teams with their outstanding team ethic provide the leaders we'll need sooner rather than later.

formerlyET

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Look put simply (although your against plain and simple ) your remembered for your achievements. Liam Cahill's far outweigh Willie mahers and I'd be confident there is absolutely no danger of that changing. I want Tipperary to win. If they don't then they don't, but I'd rather give us the best chance all the same

If we are genuinely looking both of these on equal footing when we are choosing liams replacement which will most probably be in 2022, then its completely laughable.

I think around 2018 they were on similar footing - that's changed.

But you seem to be off on one - on Liam v Willie. Fair play.

I'm just defending Willie as a very good manager here. If you see it as a simple versus situation, fair enough. But I don't get or understand your dismissals of Willie Maher. He's more than a decent option - that's highly sought after. You do know Cuala could afford anyone - it's a highly sought after position. They went for Willie for a reason.

formerlyET

farmerval wrote: »

I think the issue for Tipp over the next year or two will be the spine of the team. Ronan for sure at 3 or 6, probably depending on who's putting their hand up for the other jersey, e.g. if an outstanding full back appeared Ronan could easily go to centre back.
Noel's days at midfield are surely numbered so we need a solid base player there, maybe Dan? or Barry Heffernan? Centre forward has been an achilles heel for us for a long time, being cute and playing roving players lasts only so long, we desperately need a number 11 that can compete for 70 mins.
Full is equally a problem, Seamie getting the right ball is still excellent but the clock is seriously ticking, Forde simply doesn't win enough 50;50 ball. Hopefully John McGrath would be the answer for 11 or 15, but disappointingly apart from last years final John's form in Blue and Gold has been on a downward curve for quite a while.
I think we have loads of lads to fill out a team, but finding the few leaders that can carry the fight, think Paidi and Brendan after 18-20 minutes in last years final is the difficult part. Look an KK at the minute, the lads who looked good beside Mick Fennelly or Brian Hogan or JJ can't carry it on their own.
The big question is can Liam Cahill's underage teams with their outstanding team ethic provide the leaders we'll need sooner rather than later.

I'd have Ronan at 6 all day - too much hurling to be anywhere else. I'd even pick speed or a sweeper just to have Ronan at 6.

John is an 11 all day for me - see him there long term. Even out of sorts in terms of form last year in the final he was everywhere. The hook on Walter Walsh in the first minute, a crucial moment.

I don't think Noel's time at midfield is over. The trauma of losing two county finals in close succession can't be underrated in terms of the McGrath's form. They just weren't themselves. The close up on Noel after the hurling final showed just how devastated he was. Noel McGrath throwing a hurley in anger - never thought I'd see the day.

I think Quigley can be developed and answer the call for 3. I think Bowe and Dillon can be developed to play right across the half forward line - likewise Billy Seymour could be developed to play anywhere on the forward line. Surprised Jerry Kelly hasn't got a go yet. He's big, he's strong, he's accurate.

The more central and the more responsibility you give dan the better - I see him as a perfect foil for Noel.

I think Breen should be made a forward - i think O'Shea should be detailed to make him the best forward in the country, and just work on him like he did on Seamie in 2014. Breen's pace and power is impressive. He just isn't a natural reader of the game like Noel or Dan.

There are plenty of players around, but they need time. One thing I'd give Sheedy big plaudits for is giving players time and not just throwing them in to sink or swim.
Top players who look after themselves, like Seamie and Paidi, can go into their mid thirties - but you've got to be clever with who you put around them.
Other than KK, the last team to retain an All-Ireland was that fantastic Cork - 2004-5. It's hard.

digzy

digzy wrote: »

You’d like to think a few new lads will make it through soon. Can’t imagine paidie, seanie and Brendan have many more seasons in them.

Really think limerick have us ‘sussed’ at this stage

We badly need to find at least 3 and possibly 4 new starters next year. We really only swapped Jake out for Bubbles and Jake to his credit has done very well. Time for the likes of young Seymour and Conor Bowe to put the hand up along with Kehoe. Breen was very good this year which is encouraging although he is more suited to the soft ground?

I think the backs need strengthening big time. As someone said, the spine of the team is something that will need to be adjusted. We didn't get our forwards on enough ball and we ran ourselves into trouble. That all said, we went down fighting. There is great spirit in the camp, we just need to work on a few things.

Silver-Tiger

Wasn't the Green & White jersey meant to be going on Sale this Friday? Haven't seen it anywhere for pre order. Not exactly giving themselves the best chance to maximise sales.

Coybig_

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Wasn't the Green & White jersey meant to be going on Sale this Friday? Haven't seen it anywhere for pre order. Not exactly giving themselves the best chance to maximise sales.

Somehow I doubt they will struggle to sell it.

I dont know why you would expect it to be available for preorder to be honest. They announced the date and they have all the advertising they need.

Silver-Tiger

Coybig_ wrote: »

Somehow I doubt they will struggle to sell it.

I don't know why you would expect it to be available for preorder to be honest. They announced the date and they have all the advertising they need.

Fair enough, I forget where i read that it would be available on Friday. Was maybe hoping to see it on O'Neills or Elverys. Hopefully it's there.

Paddico

Very quite on here football wise.

Cant wait for Sunday myself

Coybig_

Obviously Mayo will go in as favourites and are the better team, certainly based on what has happened since we last met in 2016.

We haven't developed quite the way we wanted after that. Although we got a league promotion, in 2017 we lost by virtue of a last minute goal to Cork, and then went up to Cavan and won - before the worst refereeing performance I have ever seen in Gaelic football cost us badly vs Armagh.

2018 and we were 4 up on Cavan in the league after a very debatable red card with around 15 to go, where a win meant promotion to Division 1 and we couldn't get over the line. No excuses for the result v Cork, but we missed a lot of great goal chances early on that might have changed things. Then the Mayo match.

Obviously 2019 was a total disaster, beaten by Limerick and Down - 2 teams that you would have expected us to do well against. But the recovery this year has been fantastic. I don't think the same emphasis was put on the league this year, because where did it get us before. However our Championship form has been very solid and from our first game vs Clare I knew we were capable of doing big things this year.

Being there in 2018 for that qualifier game makes me know we have a massive chance. The team was sung off the pitch at half time, it felt like we were about to see a special scalp. It didn't quite happen that day, but the boys will know that we are more than able for them.

I imagine a lot of the talk in the dressing room will be based on how we almost had them put to the sword before their fluke goal. Everybody in the Country is now calling the Dublin Mayo final and that suits us down to the ground. Go under the radar like we did 2 years ago, except this time, have the bottle to drive it home, in the home stretch like we did against Cork.

paddy13

Come on Tipp, if this was hurling ye'd be all over this and ye are in the semi final most years. I give ye a right chance if ye can improve on ye're performance. Ye have two top quality forwards in Sweeney and Quinlivan and with O'Riordan massive ball winner. Along with this ye have a good team showing great character.
Best of luck Tipp (from the Deise)
By the way I hope this year gives Tipp football more of a level playing field ye definitely have quality players to challenge the big guns in Munster and hopefully funds will increase to bring ye on.

KIB4Life

Coybig_ wrote: »

Obviously Mayo will go in as favourites and are the better team, certainly based on what has happened since we last met in 2016.

We haven't developed quite the way we wanted after that. Although we got a league promotion, in 2017 we lost by virtue of a last minute goal to Cork, and then went up to Cavan and won - before the worst refereeing performance I have ever seen in Gaelic football cost us badly vs Armagh.

2018 and we were 4 up on Cavan in the league after a very debatable red card with around 15 to go, where a win meant promotion to Division 1 and we couldn't get over the line. No excuses for the result v Cork, but we missed a lot of great goal chances early on that might have changed things. Then the Mayo match.

Obviously 2019 was a total disaster, beaten by Limerick and Down - 2 teams that you would have expected us to do well against. But the recovery this year has been fantastic. I don't think the same emphasis was put on the league this year, because where did it get us before. However our Championship form has been very solid and from our first game vs Clare I knew we were capable of doing big things this year.

Being there in 2018 for that qualifier game makes me know we have a massive chance. The team was sung off the pitch at half time, it felt like we were about to see a special scalp. It didn't quite happen that day, but the boys will know that we are more than able for them.

I imagine a lot of the talk in the dressing room will be based on how we almost had them put to the sword before their fluke goal. Everybody in the Country is now calling the Dublin Mayo final and that suits us down to the ground. Go under the radar like we did 2 years ago, except this time, have the bottle to drive it home, in the home stretch like we did against Cork.

Best of luck to ye on Sunday I’ll certainly be shouting for ye as a Clare man on Sunday, there is just something about Mayo and their fans I can’t warmth to and hope ye go out and beat them.

I actually think that this Tipp team is better then the team in 2016 and has more strength in depth. Also Tipp are very good around the middle and if ye can get the edge around this area ye could win it, and it could be particularly important to put pressure on their kick outs as David Clarke’s kick outs can be an issue for Mayo at times and with the likes of O’Riordan, Casey, O’Brien and The Kennedy’s around the middle sector, Tipp will certainly not be bullied.

Mayo held Quinlivan relatively quite in 2016 so if he can produce a performance then it could be vital, Mayo’s runners from the back and half back line is were they get a lot of joy and hurt teams, so it’s obviously important for the Tipp half forward line to try and stop these runs. I think it’s going to be a close game but something is just telling that with the year that is in it gonna be a Tipp Dublin final as it’s could be destiny for those two teams to meet in the final.

Coybig_

When we played in 2018, we had Conor Sweeney drifting out toward the centre with Quinlivan inside. Quinlivan got 1-2 from play I believe. So he has done well vs Mayo before.

Because we have Colin O Riordan now, Sweeney doesnt need to drop deeper to win ball as we have a great fielder there now, so Sweeney will be inside. Although Power seems to favour Quinlivan around the half forward line, as opposed to sitting inside like Kerins wanted him. We do have the ability to switch it up though, and we will be looking for direct ball into full forward when it's on.

I was listening to Off the Ball last night and there wasnt a mention of 2018. I am absolutely positive that the Tipp dressing room will be using that game education/motivation rather than the 2016 one. I really felt that day like we had them there for the taking and were in total control, and were shell shocked by their goal. We didn't score again after it, with 20 minutes to go.

That is the main problem with us. When we get a purple patch in games we are lethal. But we go long periods where it's not clicking in games, and it's about minimising the effects of that, and reacting quickly on the sideline to rectify it. That happened across each of our games thus far, and luckily we were able to manage it.

I do think that beating Cork as we did will stand to us massively, a game like many others that we were in control of, but this time we drove it home rather than letting them back into it.

Chalk McHugh

Really looking forward to the two semi finals this weekend.

Dublin should have too much for a good Cavan side.

My worry about Tipp is if Sweeney was well held i don't think they have the scoring ability elsewhere in the forwards to do serious damage to Mayo.

Quinlivan doesn't seem to be as prolific from play as other years and Mayo have some serious man markers and i'm sure Sweeney will be getting special attention.

I hope Tipp really play to their potential and at least give the best account of themselves and who knows perhaps another big scalp but i do think Mayo will have a little too much and it will be a Dublin v Mayo final.

KIB4Life

Coybig_ wrote: »

When we played in 2018, we had Conor Sweeney drifting out toward the centre with Quinlivan inside. Quinlivan got 1-2 from play I believe. So he has done well vs Mayo before.

Because we have Colin O Riordan now, Sweeney doesnt need to drop deeper to win ball as we have a great fielder there now, so Sweeney will be inside. Although Power seems to favour Quinlivan around the half forward line, as opposed to sitting inside like Kerins wanted him. We do have the ability to switch it up though, and we will be looking for direct ball into full forward when it's on.

I was listening to Off the Ball last night and there wasnt a mention of 2018. I am absolutely positive that the Tipp dressing room will be using that game education/motivation rather than the 2016 one. I really felt that day like we had them there for the taking and were in total control, and were shell shocked by their goal. We didn't score again after it, with 20 minutes to go.

That is the main problem with us. When we get a purple patch in games we are lethal. But we go long periods where it's not clicking in games, and it's about minimising the effects of that, and reacting quickly on the sideline to rectify it. That happened across each of our games thus far, and luckily we were able to manage it.

I do think that beating Cork as we did will stand to us massively, a game like many others that we were in control of, but this time we drove it home rather than letting them back into it.

Yeah in 2018 ye seemed to be in total control and looked like ye had Mayo, until the goal alright it seemed to knock the stuffing out of ye. I think ye could have been further ahead in that game before their goal if I remember correctly I think ye might have missed a few scoreable chances and it’s alright if David Clarke didn’t make one of two saves as well.

I think if Tipp are to win both Quinlivan and Sweeney will have to be at their best similar to the Cork game because to be honest when they are on song they seem to have a great understanding and great link up play between them.

To be honest I think Mayo are there for the taking, Galway I’d say are kicking themselves for not winning the Connacht final, they probably weren’t helped by the ref late on in the game, and Mayo are well able to get involved in the dark arts despite what their supporters think so you can be sure that Sweeney and Quinlivan will be pulled and dragged left right and centre off the ball, but it’s up to refs and the linesman’s to watch out for that.

Anyway I’m really looking forward to the game the weekend and I’m actually looking forward to Dublin and Cavan as well I think it will be closer then people think, but as I said before I have a feeling that it’s gonna be a Tipp, Dublin final this year.

Coybig_

Coybig_ wrote: »

Obviously Mayo will go in as favourites and are the better team, certainly based on what has happened since we last met in 2016.

We haven't developed quite the way we wanted after that. Although we got a league promotion, in 2017 we lost by virtue of a last minute goal to Cork, and then went up to Cavan and won - before the worst refereeing performance I have ever seen in Gaelic football cost us badly vs Armagh.

2018 and we were 4 up on Cavan in the league after a very debatable red card with around 15 to go, where a win meant promotion to Division 1 and we couldn't get over the line. No excuses for the result v Cork, but we missed a lot of great goal chances early on that might have changed things. Then the Mayo match.

Obviously 2019 was a total disaster, beaten by Limerick and Down - 2 teams that you would have expected us to do well against. But the recovery this year has been fantastic. I don't think the same emphasis was put on the league this year, because where did it get us before. However our Championship form has been very solid and from our first game vs Clare I knew we were capable of doing big things this year.

Being there in 2018 for that qualifier game makes me know we have a massive chance. The team was sung off the pitch at half time, it felt like we were about to see a special scalp. It didn't quite happen that day, but the boys will know that we are more than able for them.

I imagine a lot of the talk in the dressing room will be based on how we almost had them put to the sword before their fluke goal. Everybody in the Country is now calling the Dublin Mayo final and that suits us down to the ground. Go under the radar like we did 2 years ago, except this time, have the bottle to drive it home, in the home stretch like we did against Cork.

I think losing Acheson for 2017 was massive. He was a very able fielder, he had leadership qualities in abundance, and was the teams engine. In O'Riordan, we also have a leader in the middle of the park with presence and unbelievable catching abilities. A lord of the skies. Here's hoping we can do it. If Mayo win, which they are expected to then best of luck to them in the final. Im not anti-Dublin, i have friends and relatives in the capital, but i wouldnt begrudge Mayo an All-ireland. Unbelievable supporters.

formerlyET

Munster Under 20 Hurling semi-finals and final fixtures to be confirmed later this week.

Munster Minor Hurling Semi-Final

Tipperary v Waterford in Pairc Ui Rinn on Saturday 12 December at 1.00pm

Munster final scheduled for Sunday 20th December at 1.00pm

Munster Minor Football Championship Quarter final:
Tipperary v Clare in Thurles on Saturday 12 December at 5.00pm
Winner plays Waterford or Limerick the following Wednesday night.
Munster Final on Tuesday 22nd December.

formerlyET

To flog a dead horse altogether...

Eddie Brennan will take a coaching role with the Cuala senior hurlers in Dublin for the 2021 season.

John Twomey will manage the side, replacing Willie Maher in the role.

formerlyET

How do people see the Tipp midfield going against Mayo?

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

How do people see the Tipp midfield going against Mayo?

I think our twin towers (O'Riordan-O'Brien) will match any of them. Will O'Shea go up against O'Riordan from the kick out? It will be an interesting tussle. We're not favourites by any means, but i fancy us a bit more with O'Riordan there. Cork used to kill us in that midfield, especially Ian Maguire, but the presence of O'Riordan absolutely killed his influence

O'Shea and the likes of Parsons to their credit have alot more experience, but Mayo's failure has been perhaps a failure to grow as a team.

Coybig_

The jersey is now on sale.

formerlyET

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I think our twin towers (O'Riordan-O'Brien) will match any of them. Will O'Shea go up against O'Riordan from the kick out? It will be an interesting tussle. We're not favourites by any means, but i fancy us a bit more with O'Riordan there. Cork used to kill us in that midfield, especially Ian Maguire, but the presence of O'Riordan absolutely killed his influence

O'Shea and the likes of Parsons to their credit have alot more experience, but Mayo's failure has been perhaps a failure to grow as a team.

Yeah, I think the Tipp midfield is a major strength with O'Riordan there. Casey is big unit around that area too.

I'd prefer it to be anyone rather than Mayo. I'd love to see Mayo win an All-Ireland.

But playing Mayo rather than Dublin gives Tipp some kind of a chance

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Coybig_ wrote: »

The jersey is now on sale.

Sold out of adult version a half hour ago - available on O'Neill's website

Silver-Tiger

formerlyET wrote: »

Sold out of adult version a half hour ago - available on O'Neill's website

Sold Out in Factory shop. Fair few people disappointed there a half hour ago. Gone in Elverys a long time ago. O'Neills said they hope to have enough stock to fill online orders over the weekend but doubt it.

Mantis Toboggan

Thankfully got in early thanks to the poster here but there's still a few available at different sizes.

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Tipperary's Munster Under 20 Hurling Semi-Final v Waterford fixed for Dungarvan on Tuesday 15 December at 7.00pm.
Munster Final v Limerick or Cork on Wednesday 23rd December
All Ireland Final on 9/10 January.

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Management committee meeting re 2021 calendar postponed until later in month. The belief is still that the county season will precede club next year.

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Tipp side line out unchanged from Munster final


https://twitter.com/TipperaryGAA/status/1334965889519783937/photo/1

giveitholly

Great to see Jack Kennedy named amongst the subs

paddy13

paddy13 wrote: »

Come on Tipp, if this was hurling ye'd be all over this and ye are in the semi final most years. I give ye a right chance if ye can improve on ye're performance. Ye have two top quality forwards in Sweeney and Quinlivan and with O'Riordan massive ball winner. Along with this ye have a good team showing great character.
Best of luck Tipp (from the Deise)
By the way I hope this year gives Tipp football more of a level playing field ye definitely have quality players to challenge the big guns in Munster and hopefully funds will increase to bring ye on.

That will never happen as long as football and hurling are arbitrated under the one umbrella in the county.

Didn't happen after 2002, Didnt happen after 2016 and wont happen after 2020. With the exception of the likes of Barry O'Brien or Sean Nugent, we have never had personnel on the county board that give two sh1tes about football. Hurling dominates and always will. I say this as someone who attends alot of Tipp football games. I absolutely love it, but aside from the odd day in the sun (or the snow/rain in terms of this year), we will never become a football force. At best, we will punch above our weight. Its not negativity, its the reality from experience.

The Lost Sheep

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That will never happen as long as football and hurling are arbitrated under the one umbrella in the county.

Didn't happen after 2002, Didnt happen after 2016 and wont happen after 2020. With the exception of the likes of Barry O'Brien or Sean Nugent, we have never had personnel on the county board that give two sh1tes about football. Hurling dominates and always will. I say this as someone who attends alot of Tipp football games. I absolutely love it, but aside from the odd day in the sun (or the snow/rain in terms of this year), we will never become a football force. At best, we will punch above our weight. Its not negativity, its the reality from experience.

It would be even worse if it was managed under a completely separate organisation/group.
Consistent performances and reaching latter stages of all ireland/doing well in league and staying in top divisions would help attract more to play gaelic more/stay playing with chance of playing high level.
You dont have to be a football force or anywhere near one anyway and still be quite successful

The Lost Sheep

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It would be even worse if it was managed under a completely separate organisation/group.
Consistent performances and reaching latter stages of all ireland/doing well in league and staying in top divisions would help attract more to play gaelic more/stay playing with chance of playing high level.
You dont have to be a football force or anywhere near one anyway and still be quite successful

We are neither really to be honest. We've had a reasonable bit of success by our standards, but I dont think we'll ever be a division 1 team. Hurling will always be the main draw to the youngsters.

The Lost Sheep

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We are neither really to be honest. We've had a reasonable bit of success by our standards, but I dont think we'll ever be a division 1 team. Hurling will always be the main draw to the youngsters.

where did i say tipp were???
Hurling will always get most of attention but if the football stay challenging and getting occasional provincial titles. are in division 2 consistently and can go on decent runs through qualifiers/reach latter stages of all ireland then they'll attract a lot more than they have

The Lost Sheep

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

where did i say tipp were???
Hurling will always get most of attention but if the football stay challenging and getting occasional provincial titles. are in division 2 consistently and can go on decent runs through qualifiers/reach latter stages of all ireland then they'll attract a lot more than they have

Your point was, that if we continue to have this level of success that we (and i can only assume you meant Tipperary given we are on a Tipp thread) would attract more youngsters to play football. The reality is that this wont happen. The reality is we have struggled to remain in Division 3 this year and the gods smiled on us in the championship to a degree. I think this is a rare year. I would like if they drove on, but i don't expect them to. We're in bonus territory really on Sunday

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

getting occasional provincial titles.[/B] are in division 2 consistently and can go on decent runs through qualifiers/reach latter stages of all ireland then they'll attract a lot more than they have

2 seasons in Division 2 from 17-19. 1 Munster title since 1935. Whoa there, i dont think the youngsters will flock in their droves just yet :rolleyes:

Very simplistic attitude. The Tipp county board have no interest in pursuing football ambitions. We won Munster in spite of them, not because of them. The county board chairman in 2016 actually took the hurlers side in the dual player row, plus we werent even allowed play league games in Semple stadium (granted it was a wet winter)

Coybig_

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

where did i say tipp were???
Hurling will always get most of attention but if the football stay challenging and getting occasional provincial titles. are in division 2 consistently and can go on decent runs through qualifiers/reach latter stages of all ireland then they'll attract a lot more than they have

Our turnout has been atrocious at high profile championship football games when going well. A lot of Tipp people don't care enough about it. Starting from an All Ireland Semi Final in 2016, to 2 years after in the Championship. We also got a league promotion in 2017 that did sweet f all for our support.

• Mayo semi final in 2016 was very badly attended by us.
• Cork in Munster in 2017 in Pairc Ui Rinn had a shocking turnout considering what we had done the year before and our league win.
• Armagh probably had just lower or near equal support to us when we played them in 2017 in Thurles, when we were off the back of a very impressive away win in Cavan.
• Cork in 2018 was deserted.
• Mayo 2018, a huge game in Thurles, had a woeful turnout from us.

3 of those games were in Semple and people weren't arsed.

My uncle is a hardcore Tipp GAA man, would go to most hurling matches but hasn't been to a game of football in 20 years I'd say. The appetite just isn't there. We would need years of success before people bother to show support and that just isn't likely. As a player, why would you bother turning out in front of 5,000-10,000 max when you could be regularly turning out in front of 80,000

jprboy

Coybig_ wrote: »

Our turnout has been atrocious at high profile championship football games when going well. A lot of Tipp people don't care enough about it. Starting from an All Ireland Semi Final in 2016, to 2 years after in the Championship. We also got a league promotion in 2017 that did sweet f all for our support.

• Mayo semi final in 2016 was very badly attended by us.
• Cork in Munster in 2017 in Pairc Ui Rinn had a shocking turnout considering what we had done the year before and our league win.
• Armagh probably had just lower or near equal support to us when we played them in 2017 in Thurles, when we were off the back of a very impressive away win in Cavan.
• Cork in 2018 was deserted.
• Mayo 2018, a huge game in Thurles, had a woeful turnout from us.

3 of those games were in Semple and people weren't arsed.

My uncle is a hardcore Tipp GAA man, would go to most hurling matches but hasn't been to a game of football in 20 years I'd say. The appetite just isn't there. We would need years of success before people bother to show support and that just isn't likely. As a player, why would you bother turning out in front of 5,000-10,000 max when you could be regularly turning out in front of 80,000

Great post. Sad but true.

I took my then 9 year old daughter to the 2018 game against Mayo in Thurles. We parked in a field on the Nenagh road and two of the lads on duty were delighted to see us arrive as they had hardly seen any other Tipp supporters up to that point and the car park was pretty full at that stage.

We live only a 30 minutes drive from Thurles. Mayo is a considerable trek in comparison. Says it all.

Great occasion, though. Well, until that bizarre goal for Mayo! One of the highlights was the standing ovation the Tipp team got coming off the pitch at half time.

The reality is though that Tipp could win the the football All Ireland this year and it wouldn't mean a huge amount to a large majority of Tipp people.