The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

formerlyET

Barry Hogan looks to have the potential to be a big plus. He doesn't dither on the puck outs and has good trajectory. I'd put money on him being number one come championship - pity he doesn't have a lot of time to really gel with the team.

FoFo1254122

Vinnie222 wrote: »

Withdrawing everyone to the middle backfired when 1 or 2 Limerick big guns came on. Limerick were able to get control in midfield again

it didnt backfire limerick are just a good team who adapted
its something different that keeps limerick guessing come championship

Mantis Toboggan

Bringing players back out the field is grand if runners prepared to run the ball from half back/midfield but we don't really have that especially in the second half after the changes and players tired, that's why we looked like a Derek McGrath team in the second half.

shockframe

I'd say from a Limerick point of view that we have a far superior 15 to Tipp but thats on the basis that Tipp are rebuilding.

The likes of Maher x4, Mcgrath x2, Callinan are certainly a match for anyone but there can't be much more left in that generation of players.

Sheedys worked a masterstroke in 2019 getting an All Ireland from an aging team but it must be daunting for him whether or not to go with the tried and trusted or have faith in youth.

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PeggyShippen wrote: »

Thats a big if. Barretts best days are behind him and he relies on winning frees. He's still an excellent man marker but his powers are wanning. John McGrath and Bubbles...you couldn't rely on them performing. And when they arent then they don't contribute at all. Bubbles is well past it in my view. John McGrath is a great goal scorer allright and there's lots of hurling left in him but again..he doesn't show up all through a game. Callinan is class..carrying a back injury though. I think if Tipp can get them 'humming ' then yeah they ll go close. But that's a big if. Id rather see young fellas stepping up and keeping John McGrath and Dwyer as subs to finish out a game.

J mcgrath is a great young enough player. You’re writing him off after one bad year. Last year he hurled and kicked for 4 months solid week in/week out , top class performance in most games and then asked to start off with Tipp . As for Barrett he’s a great defender, I don’t think Tipp have any one better to take his place

formerlyET

What kind of injury does Brendan Maher have?

formerlyET

Darren Gleeson continues to do well in Antrim.

PeggyShippen

shockframe wrote: »

I'd say from a Limerick point of view that we have a far superior 15 to Tipp but thats on the basis that Tipp are rebuilding.

The likes of Maher x4, Mcgrath x2, Callinan are certainly a match for anyone but there can't be much more left in that generation of players.

Sheedys worked a masterstroke in 2019 getting an All Ireland from an aging team but it must be daunting for him whether or not to go with the tried and trusted or have faith in youth.

Never seen you post on the Limerick site. Are you trying to wind up the Tipperary guys? If you are id say its working because I'm from Limerick and you've wound me up already with your nonsense. 'Far superior'.?! Tipp v Limerick will be 50/50. We've no one to get a goal..theyve about 3 if they get them in the right spot

shockframe

PeggyShippen wrote: »

Never seen you post on the Limerick site. Are you trying to wind up the Tipperary guys? If you are id say its working because I'm from Limerick and you've wound me up already with your nonsense. 'Far superior'.?! Tipp v Limerick will be 50/50. We've no one to get a goal..theyve about 3 if they get them in the right spot

Superior in regards to players in their Mid 20s.

FWIW its worth the players with the 3 All Irelands (the mahers, Noel Mcgrath,Callanan) are better than what we have but the pace of the game is bound to take its toll on them if they play Limerick in the All Ireland stages.

There looks to be a big transiton phase coming in Tipp.

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

Darren Gleeson continues to do well in Antrim.

Great win for him. His stock is rising.

Ompala

A mixed bag yesterday to be sure. Game swung back and forth, Limerick on top early on, Tipp shading it the emd of 1st half/early 2nd half then Limerick finishing strongly. 1st time I've seen Tipp adapt to stopping the diagonal ball into space that Limerick thrive on. Only issue was this seemed to hamper our scoring as we tracked back the field and had no one up front. Perfect example is Forde was everywhere for us, despite being at 14. Work rate was excellent but with him closer to goal you'd expect us to have scored more. This showed in there being only 1 goal chance in the game. Despite Limerick not playing with all their regulars, its the same system they play with so good for us to try out against it - and I thought we did well to nullify it for a large part. Was a bit disappointing not to get the win having been ahead, but we faded and couldn't win the ball in the half forward line for the final quarter.

Don't want to be very critical given the circumstances coming in to the match, rustiness was to be expected - lot of Limerick scores came from misplaced passes, balls dropped and failing to rise the ball. We did struggle to get good ball into the forward line.

Lastly, thought Brian McGrath was very good at full back last night. Its an area we still have trouble with. Barry Hogan and Bryan O Meara also very good. Would like to see Kehoe/Quirke get a run out in the half forward line the next day.

OAOB

Agree about Brian McGrath, he reminded me of James Barry yesterday, calm and assured. It would be great if he could lock down that position as we need Ronan further out the field

FoFo1254122

i hope we can get crowds back in for the championship.
last year was so devalued when tipp lost to galway i wasnt really bothered.
i am firm believer last years championship should never went ahead.
and i think the same this year - i would rather no championship then one without supporters present.

Lost Ormond

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

i hope we can get crowds back in for the championship.
last year was so devalued when tipp lost to galway i wasnt really bothered.
i am firm believer last years championship should never went ahead.
and i think the same this year - i would rather no championship then one without supporters present.

Totally disagree. I cant see how its less of a win because there were no people present in the stands.
The support for the games, no positive tests from those involved and many more reasons besides showed the championship last year was right to go ahead and same this year.

formerlyET

Crowds or no crowds, hurling matches on TV are better than no hurling matches at all.

I say that as a season ticket holder for club and county.

I'll never take a game for granted again - can't wait to get back attending.

Billy Ocean

Last year's championship was certainly different and unusual like it will this year but that doesn't devalue it, I'd say you're footballers winning a 1st Munster in 85 years meant alot to so many, the emotion of players and management at full time spoke volumes.

FoFo1254122

IT 100% devalues the championship if games are closed behind closed doors and there are restrictions on training.
say if tipp do win this year but there are no crowds at the final then i will be pleased but will still admit it means nothing without the supporters present. just as there is an asterisk on limericks victory last year
thats not anti limerick, just the honest truth
last years hurling championship was nothing more then a glorified blitz of challenge games.
the tipp cork game was one of the worst hurling games i can remember. even the final was the worst final i have seen since 2013. very low standard.
without the supporters the games are boring and pointless.

Lost Ormond

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

IT 100% devalues the championship if games are closed behind closed doors and there are restrictions on training.
say if tipp do win this year but there are no crowds at the final then i will be pleased but will still admit it means nothing without the supporters present. just as there is an asterisk on limericks victory last year
thats not anti limerick, just the honest truth
last years hurling championship was nothing more then a glorified blitz of challenge games.
the tipp cork game was one of the worst hurling games i can remember. even the final was the worst final i have seen since 2013. very low standard.
without the supporters the games are boring and pointless.

They were not at all like friendlies/challenges. Intensity was far higher than that. you could see how players/coaches reacted to everything within the games.
The games without supporters are far from boring or pointless. the players dont have a crowd to bounce off of in terms of atmosphere which can alter how some players may play but that doesnt mean its less of a win compared to if there is supporters in the stand.

Rasputin11

Bryan O Mara out for 4-6 weeks with a fractured arm.

Joe_ Public

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Bryan O Mara out for 4-6 weeks with a fractured arm.

That's unfortunate, would like to have seen him get a run of games.

Minor point: is it O'Mara or O'Meara? See the latter in most places but rte were going with O'Mara on saturday night. Just bugging me a little bit.

Lost Ormond

Joe_ Public wrote: »

That's unfortunate, would like to have seen him get a run of games.

Minor point: is it O'Mara or O'Meara? See the latter in most places but rte were going with O'Mara on saturday night. Just bugging me a little bit.

O Mara according to tipp website. but link says o meara..... not that it matters much....
https://tipperary.gaa.ie/players/bryan-omeara/

formerlyET

Bryan O’Mara

Disaster - he has filled out a bit. Exciting prospect. That's his championship goosed.

Rasputin11

formerlyET wrote: »

Bryan O’Mara

Disaster - he has filled out a bit. Exciting prospect. That's his championship goosed.

A big blow, I'd say Sheedy was going to give him a good run to nail down the position. Brian Gavin reckoned Hayes got away lightly with it.

formerlyET

Rasputin11 wrote: »

A big blow, I'd say Sheedy was going to give him a good run to nail down the position. Brian Gavin reckoned Hayes got away lightly with it.

I can't say I saw what happened. Don't think the cameras caught anything.

FoFo1254122

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

IT 100% devalues the championship if games are closed behind closed doors and there are restrictions on training.
say if tipp do win this year but there are no crowds at the final then i will be pleased but will still admit it means nothing without the supporters present. just as there is an asterisk on limericks victory last year
thats not anti limerick, just the honest truth
last years hurling championship was nothing more then a glorified blitz of challenge games.
the tipp cork game was one of the worst hurling games i can remember. even the final was the worst final i have seen since 2013. very low standard.
without the supporters the games are boring and pointless.

Ah I'm not having this to be honest. Limerick were the outstanding team in the country in 2020. Went the whole year unbeaten. Since 2018, they've probably been the most consistent team in the country.

formerlyET

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah I'm not having this to be honest. Limerick were the outstanding team in the country in 2020.

If you win it, you win it. You're the best.

2020, and it's conditions were the same for everyone. And Limerick won it with a bit to spare.

We've snapped up a former Dublin footballer. Agent Paddy Christie scouting for us???


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40286042.html?fbclid=IwAR277y1dtP0nUg3FcieHIjf6x2gLeDo_fztHyJOUAL24N65NPYu4BYdCZKE

Edit: Crikey we are not far off the 10k posts.

formerlyET

Fixtures: we have dates:

Sunday, 27 June Waterford v Clare at Semple Stadium (3.15pm)

Saturday, 3 July, Limerick v Cork in Thurles 7pm

Sunday, July 4th Tipperary v Waterford/Clare at 4pm, either at Páirc Uí Chaoimh or LIT Gaelic Grounds depending on the result of the quarter-final.

The Munster SFC stats with quarter-finals on Saturday, 26 June.

Limerick v Waterford at 3pm

Kerry v Clare 7pm throw-in in Killarney

Cork meet the winners of Limerick v Waterford on Saturday, 10 July, at 3pm
On the same day, there will be a 7pm start time when Tipperary put their provincial title on the line against either Kerry or Clare, with Semple Stadium the venue if Kerry prevail in their quarter-final, with Cusack Park the destination if the Banner win

Podge1972

On this Weeks Premierview Podcast

Anthony Shelly on Tipp v LK in Football ,

Noel Dundon reviews this week's Tipperary Star GAA section,

Jamie Wall previews Tipp v Cork in Hurling.

Soundclound
https://soundcloud.com/user-512075363/ep41-jamie-wall-previews-tipp-v-cork

Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4aGWNIkpAbLr6giAaPKSM4

formerlyET

Best of luck to James Barry in his recovery from testicular cancer - always check yourselves :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40288514.html

formerlyET

Tipperary football team v Limerick:
Michael O'Reilly
Tadhg Fitzgerald
Jimmy Feehan
Colm O'Shaughnessy
Emmet Moloney
Paudie Feehan
Jack Harney
Steven O'Brien
Conal Kennedy
Jason Lonergan
Colman Kennedy
Brian Fox
Liam Boland
Conor Sweeney
Sean O'Connor

formerlyET

Tipperary hurling team v Cork
4 changes from the draw v Limerick
Barry Hogan
Cathal Barrett
Brian McGrath
Barry Heffernan
Padraic Maher
Seamus Kennedy
Ronan Maher
Alan Flynn
Dan McCormack
Jason Forde
Noel McGrath
Niall O'Meara
John O'Dwyer
John McGrath
Willie Connors

Brendan Maher, Connolly, and Breen included on bench attached

Ompala

formerlyET wrote: »

Tipperary hurling team v Cork
4 changes from the draw v Limerick
Barry Hogan
Cathal Barrett
Brian McGrath
Barry Heffernan
Padraic Maher
Seamus Kennedy
Ronan Maher
Alan Flynn
Dan McCormack
Jason Forde
Noel McGrath
Niall O'Meara
John O'Dwyer
John McGrath
Willie Connors

Brendan Maher, Connolly, and Breen included on bench attached

Thanks for posting. Would have liked to see a few more of the younger players tried out for this one, especially as Cork themselves have a lot of recent Under 20/21s playing for them. You'd be a bit worried seeing Paudie Maher up against any of the Cork forwards for pace really, so maybe Sheedy might try play him as a spare man to plug up space. Having said that, pace isn't everything and that Cork team has a same old same old feel - very skillful and fast but not sure them have a certain toughness in them. We do look to be the more physical team.

formerlyET

Ompala wrote: »

Thanks for posting. Would have liked to see a few more of the younger players tried out for this one, especially as Cork themselves have a lot of recent Under 20/21s playing for them. You'd be a bit worried seeing Paudie Maher up against any of the Cork forwards for pace really, so maybe Sheedy might try play him as a spare man to plug up space. Having said that, pace isn't everything and that Cork team has a same old same old feel - very skillful and fast but not sure them have a certain toughness in them. We do look to be the more physical team.

I'd agree with you that I'd like to have seen more youth, tried out a few players. There's a lot of youth on the bench that might get throw in to see what they can do.

Joe_ Public

Ideally i'd like to see a few more younger legs in there, whether likes of connolly or cadell or whoever. Maybe the thinking is lads have less hurling done over the past 12 months than usual so even the established stars need plenty of game time. Dunno really but always interesting to get a look at Bubbles and see what form he's in. John Mac too.

formerlyET

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Maybe the thinking is lads have less hurling done over the past 12 months than usual so even the established stars need plenty of game time./QUOTE]

I'd say you're right there.

Yeah, hope Bubbles injury worries and operations are behind him.

You'll see a different John Mac this year, I'd bet.

Where would you play Connolly? Has real running in the legs. But probably no power at this level.

Joe_ Public

formerlyET wrote: »

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Maybe the thinking is lads have less hurling done over the past 12 months than usual so even the established stars need plenty of game time./QUOTE]

I'd say you're right there.

Yeah, hope Bubbles injury worries and operations are behind him.

You'll see a different John Mac this year, I'd bet.

Where would you play Connolly? Has real running in the legs. But probably no power at this level.

Agree on John Mac, just sense he's going to be huge for us this year. If he goes well, tipp go well is how i'd see it. I guess with connolly, you'd be looking at a guy who long term is going to hold down a central position, but wouldn't be asking a whole lot of him at this stage. Just around the panel is good enough, maybe 10-15 minutes in the corner or wing a couple of days would stand him in good stead. Sheedy doesn't seem like a guy who just throws lads in for the sake of it though, does he?

formerlyET

Joe_ Public wrote: »

formerlyET wrote: »

Sheedy doesn't seem like a guy who just throws lads in for the sake of it though, does he?

Yeah, exactly, which means Billy McCarthy (not expected back until July, I think?) and Tynan won't be getting time, and realistically, if it works out, it'll be next year if they ever get game time.
Strange one for me, I know they have size and are little bit different to what we have, but over Dan O'Meara and Jerry Kelly? A head scratcher for me.
I have a lot of time for Billy McCarthy, but he has already had a knee reconstruction, more or less, and a couple of ACLs. Is that knee going to stand up to inter county training?
Fair play to him if he pulls it off, but it would be a miracle.

Joe_ Public

formerlyET wrote: »

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Yeah, exactly, which means Billy McCarthy (not expected back until July, I think?) and Tynan won't be getting time, and realistically, if it works out, it'll be next year if they ever get game time.
Strange one for me, I know they have size and are little bit different to what we have, but over Dan O'Meara and Jerry Kelly? A head scratcher for me.
I have a lot of time for Billy McCarthy, but he has already had a knee reconstruction, more or less, and a couple of ACLs. Is that knee going to stand up to inter county training?
Fair play to him if he pulls it off, but it would be a miracle.

Yeah, sadly for billy it probably does seem an uphill climb at this stage, just keeping fingers crossed for him. Of course I'm not privvy to what goes on behind the scenes or into the thinking behind the make up of the panel, but it could be that a guy like billy would serve as an inspiration to other players just through his sheer focus and determination to get back to full fitness and winning his place again in the teeth of some horrible misfortune. I doubt he'd be there if he'd no chance at all, but it might explain why he'd still be in over other lads who might have valid claims too.

formerlyET

Joe_ Public wrote: »

formerlyET wrote: »

but it could be that a guy like billy would serve as an inspiration to other players just through his sheer focus and determination to get back to full fitness and winning his place again in the teeth of some horrible misfortune.

That's a very good point

Mantis Toboggan

Really poor stuff so far from the footballers, started brightly but it's been brutal stuff for the last while, no excuses not to be able to beat the likes of limerick comfortably.

formerlyET

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Really poor stuff so far from the footballers, started brightly but it's been brutal stuff for the last while, no excuses not to be able to beat the likes of limerick comfortably.

You mustn't have seen last year's Munster semi....

Mantis Toboggan

formerlyET wrote: »

You mustn't have seen last year's Munster semi....

Limerick are woeful lad. Why we struggle against I don't know. Poor start to the league.

formerlyET

What a ball by Forde to McGrath - still think Forde should be inside, more dangerous there.

formerlyET

Jesus, Cork actually really want to win this. Kingston going mad on the line!

Rasputin11

Why is Robert Byrnes on the Tipp panel?

formerlyET

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Why is Robert Byrnes on the Tipp panel?

In what sense? Ability or under use?

kevthegaff

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Why is Robert Byrnes on the Tipp panel?

Hes from Port..., not many young lads coming tru

Ompala

Annoyed not to have won that, felt we did an awful lot right but we could spend the next week on shooting practice alone. I know conditions we poor but we missed a lot of chances.

More worrying is the form of Niall O Meara, very anonymous today. Paul Flynn really but in a shift when he came on, did feel Sheedy was very late making that call though.

The two goals were extremely poor to concede, and we only created about half a chance ourselves. Ball in to the forwards quite poor most of the game, need to stop try to put snow on it by the time it lands. Very hard to tell on Tv if the forwards are moving to make themselves available or not.

Rasputin11

formerlyET wrote: »

In what sense? Ability or under use?

Seldom gets a game, if he was from any other club he'd be long gone off the panel.