The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

formerlyET

We could be looking at something like this come championship.
Barry Hogan
C BARRETT Brian McGrath Barry Heff
Ronan Maher Seamus Kennedy Pauric Maher

Alan Flynn Brendan Maher

Dan McC Noel McG N o'mEARA
Jason Forde Seamus Callanan Bubbles

Willie O’Connor
Breen
John McGrath
Jake Morris
P Flynn
Paddy Cadell
Mark Kehoe


Ideally, I think Cadell has got the midfield reading of the game and passing range to really offer something. But he gave away some really easy turnovers in the second half against Galway. If he keeps that up, he won't get near the 15 if Sheedy has anything to do with it. I'd love to see him and Brian McG play against westmeath and waterford. And Connolly.

Jake is cold at the moment. He is being asked to play that half forwad line role at times (as is Jason Forde) But I think we need Forde close to goal. Particulalry if seamie is struggling for fitness. Ideally we need John McGrath on the half forward line and putting in a shift I think (especially since Bonnar is gone). We have enough inside.
When O'Meara and Breen came on in the last 20 mins against Galway, they looked full of running - and that might be the way to go with them.... - - new direct legs on tired men.

formerlyET

Shane Dowling is at it again. This is really petty stuff:

"Tipperary are the team everybody talks about. Brendan Maher (32), Paidi Maher (32), Seamie Callanan (32), Noel McGrath (30), Bonner Maher (31). They are considered the old team and the ‘Class of 2010’ are all hitting their fourth decade."

None of them are anywhere near 40!

Pogue eile

formerlyET wrote: »

Shane Dowling is at it again. This is really petty stuff:

"Tipperary are the team everybody talks about. Brendan Maher (32), Paidi Maher (32), Seamie Callanan (32), Noel McGrath (30), Bonner Maher (31). They are considered the old team and the ‘Class of 2010’ are all hitting their fourth decade."

None of them are anywhere near 40!

Try doing the math there again! All of them are already in their fourth decade!!

formerlyET

Pogue eile wrote: »

Try doing the math there again! All of them are already in their fourth decade!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngg5-uwQYI&ab_channel=Showment

Mantis Toboggan

formerlyET wrote: »

Shane Dowling is at it again. This is really petty stuff:

"Tipperary are the team everybody talks about. Brendan Maher (32), Paidi Maher (32), Seamie Callanan (32), Noel McGrath (30), Bonner Maher (31). They are considered the old team and the ‘Class of 2010’ are all hitting their fourth decade."

None of them are anywhere near 40!

Not sure why you'd be reading that manure.

Pogue eile

formerlyET wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngg5-uwQYI&ab_channel=Showment

Oxford dictionary defines a joke as a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.

So you have failed again! You did make yourself look silly if that is any consolation!

formerlyET

Pogue eile wrote: »

Oxford dictionary defines a joke as a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.

So you have failed again! You did make yourself look silly if that is any consolation!

Wow, going to the dictionary for a definition of a joke - you couldn't make it up.

That'll be your age showing again, you poor man. :rolleyes:

As to how many decades that is, it has to be more than four anyway if not double it.

Pogue eile

formerlyET wrote: »

Wow, going to the dictionary for a definition of a joke - you couldn't make it up.

That'll be your age showing again, you poor man. :rolleyes:

As to how many decades that is, it has to be more than four anyway if not double it.

Explain the joke so please.

You quoted Shane Dowling (as a part of your wierd Limerick obsession) where everything he said was factually correct and then you made a completely irrelevant comment about none of the players being near their fifth decade?? And you consider this as a joke??

My sincerest and humblest apologies if I have misunderstood this sharp joke, but lets consider an alternative theory - you cant count and in your rush to slate a Limerick man you made a big booboo and instead of admitting it you are now trying to pretend that it was a joke :D

Can you also explain what was 'petty' about Dowling pointing out players ages? Or have I missed another of your razor like jokes here as well??

formerlyET

Pogue eile wrote: »

A big booboo

:pac::pac::pac:

Thanks for that! Sorry, Mr Decades, I've already moved on!

robbiezero

formerlyET wrote: »

Shane Dowling is at it again. This is really petty stuff:

"Tipperary are the team everybody talks about. Brendan Maher (32), Paidi Maher (32), Seamie Callanan (32), Noel McGrath (30), Bonner Maher (31). They are considered the old team and the ‘Class of 2010’ are all hitting their fourth decade."

None of them are anywhere near 40!

Nonsense alright. This stuff is annoying from pundits when its just obvious deflection away from their own county.

Limerick are 11/8 favs for the AI and deserving of that position.
Tipp are 5/1 3rd favs behind Galway and the "talk" about them in my view is fairly proportional to those odds. Limerick are the team everyone is watching and talking about.

Pogue eile

robbiezero wrote: »

Nonsense alright. This stuff is annoying from pundits when its just obvious deflection away from their own county.

Limerick are 11/8 favs for the AI and deserving of that position.
Tipp are 5/1 3rd favs behind Galway and the "talk" about them in my view is fairly proportional to those odds. Limerick are the team everyone is watching and talking about.

Here is the article in question, absolutely nothing non sensical in it and absolutely no dig at Tipp, quite the opposite actually - of course that wouldn't suit a certain posters rhetoric.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0603/1225762-tj-the-poster-boy-for-endangered-30-something-hurlers/

robbiezero

Pogue eile wrote: »

Here is the article in question, absolutely nothing non sensical in it and absolutely no dig at Tipp, quite the opposite actually - of course that wouldn't suit a certain posters rhetoric.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0603/1225762-tj-the-poster-boy-for-endangered-30-something-hurlers/

Hadn't read the article, couldn't find it. Ya nothing much in it. I would disagree that Tipp are the team that everybody talks about, but other than that nothing in it.

formerlyET

robbiezero wrote: »

Hadn't read the article, couldn't find it. Ya nothing much in it. I would disagree that Tipp are the team that everybody talks about, but other than that nothing in it.

How'd you think Tipp will approach the league game with Waterford? I think Cahill will go all out for it, do you think?

Pogue eile

robbiezero wrote: »

Hadn't read the article, couldn't find it. Ya nothing much in it. I would disagree that Tipp are the team that everybody talks about, but other than that nothing in it.

Yeah, I think he meant that they are the team that everyone talks about when older players/teams are being referred to and to be fair people have being saying that Tipp are too old for four years now!

Ompala

Tipperary vs Westmeath deferred coverage being shown on TG4 Sunday at 17:35.

formerlyET

Tipperary team v Westmeath
6 changes from Galway win.
Brian Hogan
Cathal Barrett
Padraic Maher
Barry Heffernan
Robert Byrne
Brendan Maher
Brian McGrath
Michael Breen
Paddy Cadell
Dan McCormack
Noel McGrath
Willie Connors
John McGrath
Seamus Callanan
Jason Forde

16. Barry Hogan
17. Eoghan Connolly
18. Alan Flynn
19. Paul Flynn
20. Mark Kehoe
21. John Meagher
22. Craig Morgan
23. Jake Morris
24. Andrew Ormond
25. James Quigley
26. Dillon Quirke

Ompala

Team vs Westmeath

1. Brian Hogan
2. Cathal Barrett
3. Paudie Maher
4. Barry Heffernan
5. Robert Byrne
6. Brendan Maher
7. Brian McGrath
8. Michael Breen
9. Paddy Cadell
10. Dan McCormack
11. Noel McGrath
12. Willie Connors
13. John McGrath
14. Seamus Callanan
15. Jason Forde

16. Barry Hogan
17. Eoghan Connolly
18. Alan Flynn
19. Paul Flynn
20. Mark Kehoe
21. John Meagher
22. Craig Morgan
23. Jake Morris
24. Andrew Ormond
25. James Quigley
26. Dillon Quirke

formerlyET

Mantis Toboggan

Dissapointing not to see Kehoe or Morgan get a start, great to see Callanan back, hopefully he's good to go badly needs game time.

formerlyET

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Dissapointing not to see Kehoe or Morgan get a start, great to see Callanan back, hopefully he's good to go badly needs game time.

Hopefully they get a half.

Ormond on the bench is interesting.

Ompala

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Dissapointing not to see Kehoe or Morgan get a start, great to see Callanan back, hopefully he's good to go badly needs game time.

Definitely think Barrett could have been rested for this game, probably Dan McCormack too. Would hope that all subs get a good long run out in this game. Great to see Seamie back. It really doesn't come across on Tv, but his movement in the forward line really helps open up opposition defences. Hes in for a tough first day back, Tommy Doyle is an excellent full back. Could possibly have put Bubbles in ahead of Forde too.

Mantis Toboggan

formerlyET wrote: »

Hopefully they get a half.

Ormond on the bench is interesting.

Supposed to be going well, maybe he'll prove me wrong but I'm not sure he'll make it.

Looks to be out full back line set in stone.

formerlyET

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Supposed to be going well, maybe he'll prove me wrong but I'm not sure he'll make it.

Looks to be out full back line set in stone.

Looks that way unless there are changes before the game.

No harm having lads that can play more than two positions either.

Ormond has everything - except size, that he can work on. He's an intelligent player too.

Mantis Toboggan

Ompala wrote: »

Definitely think Barrett could have been rested for this game, probably Dan McCormack too. Would hope that all subs get a good long run out in this game. Great to see Seamie back. It really doesn't come across on Tv, but his movement in the forward line really helps open up opposition defences. Hes in for a tough first day back, Tommy Doyle is an excellent full back. Could possibly have put Bubbles in ahead of Forde too.

Absolutely, was a good opportunity to give some others a chance. We all know what we'll get from Barrett and Forde. Morgan is someone capable of making the step up, no doubt one of the corner backs will go down in championship and we'll be scratching around for a replacement.

robbiezero

Ompala wrote: »

Definitely think Barrett could have been rested for this game, probably Dan McCormack too. Would hope that all subs get a good long run out in this game. Great to see Seamie back. It really doesn't come across on Tv, but his movement in the forward line really helps open up opposition defences. Hes in for a tough first day back, Tommy Doyle is an excellent full back. Could possibly have put Bubbles in ahead of Forde too.

Id imagine the plan is probably to rest a few against waterford, most likely the above that you mentioned and the likes of Forde and Ronan Maher too.

robbiezero

formerlyET wrote: »

How'd you think Tipp will approach the league game with Waterford? I think Cahill will go all out for it, do you think?

From the looks of the team named tomorrow id imagine he may well use the waterford game to rest a few. There will be some players looking at a 5th game in 6 weeks and i doubt those players will see anything like a full game v waterford.

Havent really followed the Waterford team all that closely but they might have players in the same situation and have to rest them too. But it will be their last meaningful outing before champo 2 weeks later so they might want to be going into it of a nice confidence boosting win.

The result wont make any odds to what looks like going to be a very experienced tipp team starting the championship

marvin80

Any idea how to get tickets for the Longford v Tipp match next week? Only a few hundred available.

formerlyET

One change to the subs bench, Gearoid O'Connor in for Dillon Quirke.

formerlyET

marvin80 wrote: »

Any idea how to get tickets for the Longford v Tipp match next week? Only a few hundred available.

Buddy up with the county board.

formerlyET

robbiezero wrote: »

From the looks of the team named tomorrow id imagine he may well use the waterford game to rest a few. There will be some players looking at a 5th game in 6 weeks and i doubt those players will see anything like a full game v waterford.

Havent really followed the Waterford team all that closely but they might have players in the same situation and have to rest them too. But it will be their last meaningful outing before champo 2 weeks later so they might want to be going into it of a nice confidence boosting win.

The result won't make any odds to what looks like going to be a very experienced tipp team starting the championship

Hopefully, he rests players - I'm worried about today. A lot of hamstrings affecting a lot of counties at this period - with all the games and training. He's playing with fires with Forde and Noelie. Hopefully, they come through grand.

Waterford chopped and changed the team a lot. They've tried out a good few. Be interesting to see what happens.

Rasputin11

Not much to take from that, looked like everyone came through it fine. I felt sorry for Byrnes, a touch foolish but the lad really milked it. It seems to be becoming a feature of the game.

formerlyET

Eoin Brislane is on record as saying that they were weighed at the beginning of preseason, and he was heavy, too heavy, but John Carroll was fit to be sent to the slaughterhouse :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDCrUr2HhbU

Ompala

Match pretty much went as expected. We hit a lot of bad wides early on but after the 1st waterbreak we seemed to really sharpen up. Backs were solid throughout I thought, Brendan had a great game at 6. Good to get some game time into him. Disappointed with the Byrne red card, irrespective of how hard a hit it was, had to be a red. You have to keep the head - he'll learn from it. Cadell did well again at midfield, things just didn't seem to go right for Breen. Forwards probably gave their most complete display, but you have to take into consideration the opposition. Good to get game time into Callanan, John McGrath showed glimpses of what he is capable of. Forde very good throughout. Nice to see the subs having a big impact, in particular Kehoe who kept plugging away after a few mistakes early on and took his goal well.

Did think there was an improvements of the basics from previous games, first touch, ball handling. Much more working the ball through the lines rather than shots from out the field. Some nice balls into the corners for forwards to run on to. Hard to know is it the opposition or just more time back playing together. Onwards to Waterford now, I would be expecting a few new starts next week. Interesting to see Gearoid O Connor called into the squad today. Having watched him Under 20, reminds me of Dan.

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

Eoin Brislane is on record as saying that they were weighed at the beginning of preseason, and he was heavy, too heavy, but John Carroll was fit to be sent to the slaughterhouse :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDCrUr2HhbU

Was at that very league final. Was all going extremely well until Philly Maher done the cruciate and Charlie Carter came on and tortured poor John Devane. Fitness definitely was an issue that season. That was a skiful team. With the right management, we could have yielded more, but instead we drifted from manager to manager after Nicky English left

formerlyET

Deleted User wrote: »

Was at that very league final. Was all going extremely well until Philly Maher done the cruciate and Charlie Carter came on and tortured poor John Devane.

Philly was a good player.

I think it went all pear shaped for Carter with Cody not long after that.

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

Philly was a good player.

I think it went all pear shaped for Carter with Cody not long after that.

Yes, outstanding talent in his own right. Another lad who looked to be carrying the bit of extra timber, but was as crafty a forward that was in the game. Shows how strong Kilkenny was becoming back then when they could afford to lose players of that calibre. Sadly no place in the game for these types now. All thoroughbred racehorses.

robbiezero

Ompala wrote: »

Match pretty much went as expected. We hit a lot of bad wides early on but after the 1st waterbreak we seemed to really sharpen up. Backs were solid throughout I thought, Brendan had a great game at 6. Good to get some game time into him. Disappointed with the Byrne red card, irrespective of how hard a hit it was, had to be a red. You have to keep the head - he'll learn from it. Cadell did well again at midfield, things just didn't seem to go right for Breen. Forwards probably gave their most complete display, but you have to take into consideration the opposition. Good to get game time into Callanan, John McGrath showed glimpses of what he is capable of. Forde very good throughout. Nice to see the subs having a big impact, in particular Kehoe who kept plugging away after a few mistakes early on and took his goal well.

Did think there was an improvements of the basics from previous games, first touch, ball handling. Much more working the ball through the lines rather than shots from out the field. Some nice balls into the corners for forwards to run on to. Hard to know is it the opposition or just more time back playing together. Onwards to Waterford now, I would be expecting a few new starts next week. Interesting to see Gearoid O Connor called into the squad today. Having watched him Under 20, reminds me of Dan.

Would agree with all that. Cadell display was noteworthy. He could be pushing for a starting spot.
Brian McGrath another decent display. Thought Morris did well when he came on too.
Work rate and attitude very good. Turned Westmeath over countless times in possession although it has to be noted that they were really poor.

Xenophile

in particular Kehoe who kept plugging away after a few mistakes early on and took his goal well.

FoFo1254122

you imagine starting team v waterford is
brian hogan barrett maher heffernan brendan maher kennedy ronan maher dan mc alan flynn breen noel mcgrath john mcgrath forde callian bubbles
thats leaves brian mcgrath cadell paul flynn kehoe morris byrne niall omeara willie connors to come on.

is the above good enough to win an all ireland?
i dont think so.

i would go for
barry hogan, barrett, brian mcgrath, heffernan, brendan maher, kennedy, ronan, caddell, dan, breen, noel mcgrath, kehoe, morris, callinan and jason forde.
i think brian hogan is a poor keeper, pauiric maher and bubbles are in decline, alan flynn is just not good enough and john mcgrath for whatever reason is in very poor form.
tipp needed to start blooding new players last year never mind this year.
tipp need an injection of new blood.

Pogue eile

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

i would go for
barry hogan, barrett, brian mcgrath, heffernan, brendan maher, kennedy, ronan, caddell, dan, breen, noel mcgrath, kehoe, morris, callinan and jason forde.
i think brian hogan is a poor keeper, pauiric maher and bubbles are in decline, alan flynn is just not good enough and john mcgrath for whatever reason is in very poor form.
tipp needed to start blooding new players last year never mind this year.
tipp need an injection of new blood.

Not four weeks ago you said that both John McGrath and Bubbles have 'plenty left in them' what happened in the last four weeks to casue such a dramatic u-turn?

As for the Paidi Maher sugesstion :D:D:D:D

Mantis Toboggan

I don't think we'll see a full strength side for Waterford on Sunday. Few players could do with a rest.

Paidie is made for full back. Any side playing 2 inside forwards I'd imagine he'll become a sweeper. We're developing a decent squad with plenty of depth. Subs well capable of making a difference.

formerlyET

The Westside column like much of the other counties' GAA threads on here has questioned the standard of our players coming through. They'll have to give their answer on the pitch now. I believe the standard of player we have at all levels - from the Paidis and Callanans generation- to the Dan Mc, Bubbles, Niall O'Meara generation to the Kennedy, Forde, Barrett generation - to the Heffernan, Ronan, John mCgRATH, Breen, Alan Flynn generation - and then our youngsters - are of a really high standard. The youngsters have to go on and prove it on the pitch now.

formerlyET

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I don't think we'll see a full strength side for Waterford on Sunday. Few players could do with a rest.

Paidie is made for full back. Any side playing 2 inside forwards I'd imagine he'll become a sweeper. We're developing a decent squad with plenty of depth. Subs well capable of making a difference.

Would like to see Kehoe, Brian McGrath and Cadell start against Waterford.

Would Alan Flynn in an up and down the pitch wing forward position be worth a view?

Mantis Toboggan

formerlyET wrote: »

Would like to see Kehoe, Brian McGrath and Cadell start against Waterford.

Would Alan Flynn in an up and down the pitch wing forward position be worth a view?

Think we have a number of players who can play different positions and offer something different. I'd imagine it will be horses for courses depending on who we play. Waterford like to run it from everywhere so we'll have to match their running.

Kehoe is a big confidence player a bit like a young Seamie, if he can get the belief he has the potential to be excellent. Barrett and Forde need a rest, need to see our second choice free taker in action.

Ompala

Probably will see a number of players rested for the Waterford game, no harm. Barrett, Forde definitely should be rested. Kehoe worth a start, along with Bubbles and Morris. Who actually is our second choice free taker? Noel?

Mantis Toboggan

Ompala wrote: »

Probably will see a number of players rested for the Waterford game, no harm. Barrett, Forde definitely should be rested. Kehoe worth a start, along with Bubbles and Morris. Who actually is our second choice free taker? Noel?

I'd assume Seamie but Noel can take them, same with bubbles, Morris took a couple the weekend to.

formerlyET

Think Jake took them after Forde went off but Noelie was off at that stage too.

Ompala

formerlyET wrote: »

Think Jake took them after Forde went off but Noelie was off at that stage too.

Jake is handy on them, even at Under 20 was pretty reliable. Don't think he's a nailed on starter though so could see Noel or Callanan being second choice, though placed balls don't seem to be Seamies strong point in recent times.

Pogue eile

John McGrath was an incredible free taker for Tipp Minors when they won the AI and takes them for Loughmore, don't know why people would think that Noel would be taking them for Tipp ahead of him.

We have loads of free takers to be fair.

formerlyET

John McGrath started off in the league on the frees one year - and it didn't go well. Does well for Loughmore on the short frees.
Seamie got yips with frees one year and Forde, obviously, has been on them since.
Bubbles can take frees.
Michael Breen has been known to take a free for Ballina.
Billy Seymour is a good free taker.
Devon Ryan demonstrated fantastic free taking ability with the under 20s (don't know what his club situation is now)

Obviously, taking frees for the Tipp seniors in front of massive crowds, particularly when it goes silent, is a different kettle of fish.
We're not short on free takers - but we are short on experience at senior level, Bubbles doesn't hit them regularly. Is this a reason Sheedy is so hesidant to rest Forde?
People forget how conservative Sheedy is as a manager. That's why I so surprised about the Limerick selection last year. He has reverted to type since. People go on about a lack of youngsters breaking in but Sheedy will always go for experience - hence the Sean O'Brien selection last year.