The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

Rasputin11

Xenophile wrote: »

This is an ideal time to test a new keeper ! Anyone know what age he is ?

I'd say 23 or 24, played in goal for the 21s against a very good Clare team in Thurles in 2013, not 100% on the year.

OAOB

Cheers for the info lads.
Seems strange to try a new keeper in the quarter finals, if Ryan wanted to give him game time why not do it during the league games? Seems like its a demotion for Gleeson

Xenophile

OAOB wrote: »

Cheers for the info lads.
Seems strange to try a new keeper in the quarter finals, if Ryan wanted to give him game time why not do it during the league games? Seems like its a demotion for Gleeson

Your first priority is to maintain Division 1A status. After that anything else is a bonus.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

good to see mooney getting a shot at it, hopefully he excels as Gleeson for me is quite average at shot stopping.
The main reason we did not win the drawn 2014 All ireland was because of Gleeson, I know that is harsh to say that but it is true.

Mushy

Stupid wides cost them the game. Marginally a better team but also didn't take the chances, then two poor wides at the end. Deserved for Clare tbh!

niallo27

Mushy wrote: »

Stupid wides cost them the game. Marginally a better team but also didn't take the chances, then two poor wides at the end. Deserved for Clare tbh!

Felt there was another gear there for tipp if they wanted it. Hard to know how close we are to the top teams after that win.

Mushy

niallo27 wrote: »

Felt there was another gear there for tipp if they wanted it. Hard to know how close we are to the top teams after that win.

Easy to say its only a league QF, but if the extra gear is needed, it should be used. Reminds me of Declan Ryan's time, just that wee bit too nice which costs them close games.

Clare were no surprise, they may need to do more against the top teams. But they were determined and fighting for everything, which can provide that bit extra in a close game.

Shaping up to be a good Munster Championship, Cork buoyed on by their first win and surviving, Clare and Limerick be as dogged as ever so no guarantees against them, Waterford had a good league but took the foot off the gas after securing a route through, then Tipp who are vulnerable but tbh should put away most/all teams. From what I've seen, it doesn't look too great for Tipp to win it.

digzy

Xenophile wrote: »

Also Seamus Kennedy, St. Mary's, Clonmel is listed on the programme, would be nice to see him getting a run !

Why so?

Though I've a funny felling it's cos he's from Clonmel :rolleyes:

digzy

niallo27 wrote: »

Felt there was another gear there for tipp if they wanted it. Hard to know how close we are to the top teams after that win.

I'm baffled at 'another gear'. I only saw last few mins but we were useless when it came to winning high ball esp in our half fwds.

It's a bit like Mike Ross in rugby. He's in 'questionable' shape and does little else bar lock down the scrum. But no scrum you loose..

Nearly every hurling follower can see the ineptitude of our fwds to win their own ball. You'd nearly think we could do with some lumux there who'd stick up the paw and disperse it to the fancy dans and just work like a dog haranguing the opposition half back line.

Clare are no world beaters. It'll be some Munster championship. We're deteriorating while the rest are improving bar Limerick. Waterford will be interesting.....wonder if they can go the extra few steps...

evolving tipperary

Okay, lost by a point. Couldn't score handy frees - forwards running through the center again to score goals. 17 wides. Formation of the forwards breaking down - and poor distribution and communication at times... - these are all fixable.

I think there are a few positives to take from today. While, Clare are missing some players they were not missing the calibre of player we are missing (apart from Tony Kelly) and a lot of our players are just back from long-term injury - Callanan, Forde, Bergin, O'Meara, Barry. Bubbles has had a stop-start campaign due to various things. Cahill and Bonnar are hurt. There is a distinct lack of sharpness and touch to the team at the moment (apart, from John McGrath - who looks to be a man who knows how to strike when the iron is hot). But, it's that time of year...it's the league so I won't fret over this result. Cork's touch and sharpness has come back to them - but, maybe, they've missed timed the run up to summer. Said it before and I'll say again - the time to be hitting form is the quarter-finals of the championship - not the league- if you have serious all-Ireland ambitions. It's very hard to sustain summer long form. But, there are still question marks there... and they mostly settle around Michael Ryan (as a new coach) and the retirements and what we can expect from a team that has lost over fifty years of experience from the squad - how long should it take for a new team - midfield and forwards in particular to bed in - and how long will it take for Michael Ryan to find his best 20 and clearly define how his team plays - there were crucial moments there in the game when we needed a tighter line between the full and wing backs and a clearer formation to the forwards (Taking off Bubbles when the game was in the melting pot suggests to me Ryan is a fan of shadow boxing - and was totally dismissive of preleague tournaments which suggest he is a championship man only. But, it would be unfair to draw any conclusions on Michael Ryan until the end of year 1 if not 2...

Due to injuries and various things, i don't think anyone could pick our half forward line at this stage - Breen seems to finish there during games... - so, midfield could be Maher and Bergin - or someone else - who knows if Kennedy or Barry Heffernan will see time there yet...

One thing I enjoyed today (despite my hangover), was our emergence from rucks with several balls - not a feature of our game the last few years. We look stronger - that said Clare are very light and that will hurt them in the summer. I'd be more worried if I was Clare man today - their own backyard and they could only produce 13 points (many of which were from frees). It's a very small field - and it suits their seven-man defence system - it's not a croker friendly system - now that Davy continually shows his hand to teams pre-championship. He has been playing the same way since 2013...

Have we shown our hand? No? But, does Michael Ryan know his hand? I'd say so at this stage...

Mooney got a taste - I know some have been critical of Gleeson. Nonsense- one of the best keepers in the country - his puck outs are sublime. An All-star not too long ago - his sharpness will return as his fitness ups - we need him.

Lads, running through the center **** has to stop. Why didn't Maher or Barrett not trip the guy for the second goal - take the card at that stage - red or yellow. As for the Keeper's dive - he should have been running out to make himself big, close the target down, and making sure he flattened the forward if the lads didn't get him --- we need to be far more hardnosed.

I'd be very worried if we weren't creating the chances but we're just not taking them. 17 wides. The eye will be in come summer - lads are getting out in front and creating the chances which is better than nothing. But, Clare are no great shakes. They'll win nothing - they are further down the line than us in lots of ways. On a bigger pitch when the eye is sharper and the touch is cuter - we won't have 17 wides. We definitely have more gears...

But, what is this tipp team capable of in full flight? Not an All-Ireland yet that's for sure. Kilkenny still raging favourites.

What did Clare win today? An absolute roasting from KK, more than likely. It could set them back...

windy shepard henderson

just watched the game back , not much of a classic,
michael ryan seems happy enough but i cant help but feel both teams could do with one more game in terms of precption for the championship, other then john mcgrath not much put there hands up form a tipp point of view stephen o'brien in my opinion is probably more suited ton the footballers

mikey heffernan ? is he or was he available for the panel this year , i would imagine thomas hamell has had his chance too by now , paric maher had a fine game though, but the pace of the game overall was slow enough , i imagine ye would have been happier with one more work out before the championship

windy shepard henderson

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Okay, lost by a point. Couldn't score handy frees - forwards running through the center again to score goals. 17 wides. Formation of the forwards breaking down - and poor distribution and communication at times... - these are all fixable.

I think there are a few positives to take from today. While, Clare are missing some players they were not missing the calibre of player we are missing (apart from Tony Kelly) and a lot of our players are just back from long-term injury - Callanan, Forde, Bergin, O'Meara, Barry. Bubbles has had a stop-start campaign due to various things. Cahill and Bonnar are hurt. There is a distinct lack of sharpness and touch to the team at the moment (apart, from John McGrath - who looks to be a man who knows how to strike when the iron is hot). But, it's that time of year...it's the league so I won't fret over this result. Cork's touch and sharpness has come back to them - but, maybe, they've missed timed the run up to summer. Said it before and I'll say again - the time to be hitting form is the quarter-finals of the championship - not the league- if you have serious all-Ireland ambitions. It's very hard to sustain summer long form. But, there are still question marks there... and they mostly settle around Michael Ryan (as a new coach) and the retirements and what we can expect from a team that has lost over fifty years of experience from the squad - how long should it take for a new team - midfield and forwards in particular to bed in - and how long will it take for Michael Ryan to find his best 20 and clearly define how his team plays - there were crucial moments there in the game when we needed a tighter line between the full and wing backs and a clearer formation to the forwards (Taking off Bubbles when the game was in the melting pot suggests to me Ryan is a fan of shadow boxing - and was totally dismissive of preleague tournaments which suggest he is a championship man only. But, it would be unfair to draw any conclusions on Michael Ryan until the end of year 1 if not 2...

Due to injuries and various things, i don't think anyone could pick our half forward line at this stage - Breen seems to finish there during games... - so, midfield could be Maher and Bergin - or someone else - who knows if Kennedy or Barry Heffernan will see time there yet...

One thing I enjoyed today (despite my hangover), was our emergence from rucks with several balls - not a feature of our game the last few years. We look stronger - that said Clare are very light and that will hurt them in the summer. I'd be more worried if I was Clare man today - their own backyard and they could only produce 13 points (many of which were from frees). It's a very small field - and it suits their seven-man defence system - it's not a croker friendly system - now that Davy continually shows his hand to teams pre-championship. He has been playing the same way since 2013...

Have we shown our hand? No? But, does Michael Ryan know his hand? I'd say so at this stage...

Mooney got a taste - I know some have been critical of Gleeson. Nonsense- one of the best keepers in the country - his puck outs are sublime. An All-star not too long ago - his sharpness will return as his fitness ups - we need him.

Lads, running through the center **** has to stop. Why didn't Maher or Barrett not trip the guy for the second goal - take the card at that stage - red or yellow. As for the Keeper's dive - he should have been running out to make himself big, close the target down, and making sure he flattened the forward if the lads didn't get him --- we need to be far more hardnosed.

I'd be very worried if we weren't creating the chances but we're just not taking them. 17 wides. The eye will be in come summer - lads are getting out in front and creating the chances which is better than nothing. But, Clare are no great shakes. They'll win nothing - they are further down the line than us in lots of ways. On a bigger pitch when the eye is sharper and the touch is cuter - we won't have 17 wides. We definitely have more gears...

But, what is this tipp team capable of in full flight? Not an All-Ireland yet that's for sure. Kilkenny still raging favourites.

What did Clare win today? An absolute roasting from KK, more than likely. It could set them back...

bit of an over exaggeration to be fair , nither side will come close to wining anything on today's performance , but kilkenny have been little better up to now , its a long wait for michael ryan to prepare for munster

ironically we could have done with the break giving the injuries , but i highly doubt come championship the tipp free taking , midfield or half forward line will be as lax as today

PlayByTheRules

Yara Plain Gin wrote: »

good to see mooney getting a shot at it, hopefully he excels as Gleeson for me is quite average at shot stopping.
The main reason we did not win the drawn 2014 All ireland was because of Gleeson, I know that is harsh to say that but it is true.

I don't agree with you about drawn final, main reason it was lost was too many players going for goal when easy points were on (I recall Bubbles and Woodlock both going for very speculative goals early on) and then not finishing the easier goal chances, such as Gearoid Ryan's chance.

Gleeson is your best keeper, Mooney cost ye the game yesterday.

Rasputin11

I can't understand why Paul Maher is behind Mooney and Hogan in the goalkeeping pecking order. I've watched him 6 or 7 Fitzgibbon matches in recent years and he has been excellent. Gleeson hurt his shoulder kayaking on the trip to Mayo and Hogan would have started in goal but for a concussion picked up in training.

big_drive

Saw Paul Maher in Fitz semi & final this year in CIT. Looked like a serious keeper, would think he'd be worth a look from what I saw

1eg0a3xv7b82of

[Qquote="PlayByTheRules;99277950"]I don't agree with you about drawn final, main reason it was lost was too many players going for goal when easy points were on (I recall Bubbles and Woodlock both going for very speculative goals early on) and then not finishing the easier goal chances, such as Gearoid Ryan's chance.

Gleeson is your best keeper, Mooney cost ye the game yesterday.[/quote]

powers second goal was childlike stuff.
Reid goal should have never went in.
That's life. Gleeson was really good in the replay final 2014.
I find his shot stopping inconsistent. He will make a lovely save and follow that up by letting an easier shot in.

evolving tipperary

This is how I see the possible team shaping up for Cork - avoiding injuries that is.

Gleeson

Barrett Barry Cahill(if fit)/Saint

Heffernan Ronan Maher Pauric Maher

Brendan Maher Bergin


Bubbles Bonnar Breen

Jason Forde Callanan John McGrath


Or

Gleeson

Barrett Barry Cahill

Bergin R Maher P Maher

B Maher Breen

Bubbles Bonnar O'Meara/Noel McGrath(even though O'Meara was stink before he got the hand injury against Clare - struggling for form - Noel is not the leader he was. - goes missing for long periods of time)

Forde Callanan J McGrath

- I personally would like to see how a team without Noelie from the start would get on - then bring him on with 2o/15 to go when the other team are getting leggy

OAOB

I'd go


Gleeson

Barrett Barry Cahill(if fit)/Saint

Heffernan Ronan Maher Pauric Maher

Brendan Maher Breen

Bubbles Bonnar Noel McGrath

Forde Callanan J McGrath



Bergin unlucky to be left out and a lot of lads needing to step up to keep their place

robbiezero

OAOB wrote: »

I'd go


Gleeson

Barrett Barry Cahill(if fit)/Saint

Heffernan Ronan Maher Pauric Maher

Brendan Maher Breen

Bubbles Bonnar Noel McGrath

Forde Callanan J McGrath



Bergin unlucky to be left out and a lot of lads needing to step up to keep their place

I think Niall O'Meara has done enough to get in especially if Bonnar does not recover some form.
Worrying that 4 of our main 7 forwards are out of form currently, although Callinan's can be put down to injury and you'd expect him to come right.

evolving tipperary

It's no secret how important O'Shea was to players like Corbett and Callanan's confidence - I'd hope they're still in touch.

Callanan's career nosedived under Declan Ryan - I hope this does not happen this time around.

OAOB

robbiezero wrote: »

I think Niall O'Meara has done enough to get in especially if Bonnar does not recover some form.
Worrying that 4 of our main 7 forwards are out of form currently, although Callinan's can be put down to injury and you'd expect him to come right.

I don't think O'Meara scores or wins ball consistently enough to make the team but i'm always impressed by his work rate.
I think our lads are either rusty from lack of hurling (Callinan & Bonner) or tired from a lot of hurling (Forde & Bubbles playing Sigerson). We have time to get them all right for Cork.
You can see I'm being optimistic

Xenophile

Not too many here writing about football.

For the record, National League 2016.

Footballers scored 12 goals in 7 games, and only lost 2 games.

Hurlers scored 5 goals in 6 games and lost 3 of their games.

Moral of the story, many people maintain that the footballers try harder than the hurlers.

Also to be noted, if footballers had the Commercial players for the league they probably would be promoted as they are a better team than Clare.

Having said all that I wish our hurlers the best of luck in the Championship. With the way Kerry are playing at present I would say that the footballers have no great expectations.

digzy

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Callanan's career nosedived under Declan Ryan - I hope this does not happen this time around.

is there any truth to the rumour of a certain player punching a certain ex managers brother causing some considerable damage????

evolving tipperary

Who nose? :angel:

Clonmel1000

Xenophile wrote: »

Not too many here writing about football.

For the record, National League 2016.

Footballers scored 12 goals in 7 games, and only lost 2 games.

Hurlers scored 5 goals in 6 games and lost 3 of their games.

Moral of the story, many people maintain that the footballers try harder than the hurlers.

Also to be noted, if footballers had the Commercial players for the league they probably would be promoted as they are a better team than Clare.

Having said all that I wish our hurlers the best of luck in the Championship. With the way Kerry are playing at present I would say that the footballers have no great expectations.

Who maintains the footballers try harder? Nonsense of the highest order.

The Lost Sheep

Xenophile wrote: »

Not too many here writing about football.

For the record, National League 2016.

Footballers scored 12 goals in 7 games, and only lost 2 games.

Hurlers scored 5 goals in 6 games and lost 3 of their games.

Moral of the story, many people maintain that the footballers try harder than the hurlers.

Also to be noted, if footballers had the Commercial players for the league they probably would be promoted as they are a better team than Clare.

Having said all that I wish our hurlers the best of luck in the Championship. With the way Kerry are playing at present I would say that the footballers have no great expectations.

Who "maintains the footballers try harder than the hurlers"? What nonsense are you on about?
But the footballers didn't have them available. And we knew that from November when they won the Munster final...
Not too many are discussing the football as its clearly second choice to most people
And we wont be playing Kerry in the football unless we reach the final. We play Waterford and then Cork if we win.

digzy

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Who maintains the footballers try harder? Nonsense of the highest order.

The man in the mirror:rolleyes:

Haven't been on here in a while since before the Clare game. On the day i was absolutely fuming at having lost another tight game but at the same time i cant help feeling that we have an extra bit in the tank come summer time.

The one concern I do have is that we look to be lacking shooting practice. Our forwards seem a bit disjointed. It reminds me a little of Declan Ryan's last year in 2012 so far. Our goal threat was zilch that year and it seems to be the same this year. Id imagine Seamie should improve as the weeks progress though.

evolving tipperary

Cahill back for THurles the past weekend - Ronan Maher picked up a thigh injury though

Rasputin11

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Cahill back for THurles the past weekend - Ronan Maher picked up a thigh injury though

I was at the match, he played about 40 minutes at centre-back and was then moved in full. They had the match won at ht so maybe could have taken him off to prevent more damage. I'd imagine they'll rest him this weekend as they'll beat Roscrea easily with or without him.

Was at the minor game today. Unlucky because i genuinely thought the lads put in an enormous shift. Didnt get enough ball into the forwards to be honest. Their half forwards proved tricky and they won alot of primary possession. overall though, im not too downbeat. If we win against Clare we can put a run together

evolving tipperary

I don't know if doing this through the media is the best approach:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/liam-cahill-its-time-tipperary-got-tough-397961.html

As for Cahill, whatever about him as a manager with Tipp Minors, I don't think he can talk from on high about toughness. Shone bright early for Tipp senior and dropped like a rocket soon after...

danganabu

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I don't know if doing this through the media is the best approach:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/liam-cahill-its-time-tipperary-got-tough-397961.html

As for Cahill, whatever about him as a manager with Tipp Minors, I don't think he can talk from on high about toughness. Shone bright early for Tipp senior and dropped like a rocket soon after...

I was very indifferent about Cahill to be honest but am starting to come around to him, there is a hell of a lot of truth in what he is saying there to be fair to him.

I think you're being a bit harsh there evolving, yes he flattered to deceive at times but he has a far more impressive playing career that a certain Mr Sheedy, basically my point being that a managers record as a player is irrelevant to their ability to manage.

He was no shrinking violet on the filed and he did win an All Star, an AI, a Munster medal, a league title and a senior county medal - if he moulds our current minor to a similar haul I think we'll all be happy.

evolving tipperary

danganabu wrote: »

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I don't know if doing this through the media is the best approach:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/liam-cahill-its-time-tipperary-got-tough-397961.html

As for Cahill, whatever about him as a manager with Tipp Minors, I don't think he can talk from on high about toughness. Shone bright early for Tipp senior and dropped like a rocket soon after...

I was very indifferent about Cahill to be honest but am starting to come around to him, there is a hell of a lot of truth in what he is saying there to be fair to him.

I think you're being a bit harsh there evolving, yes he flattered to deceive at times but he has a far more impressive playing career that a certain Mr Sheedy, basically my point being that a managers record as a player is irrelevant to their ability to manage.

He was no shrinking violet on the filed and he did win an All Star, an AI, a Munster medal, a league title and a senior county medal - if he moulds our current minor to a similar haul I think we'll all be happy.

I'm not saying his hurling career informs his managerial career - but, simply pointing out that his calls for Tipp to be tough is a bit rich considering he wasn't tough. He got an all-star when he was 19 - when Michael cleary, Declan ryan and co hand passed him into an all-star
Was a sub for that all-ireland he got. Was dropped and brought back in by Babs for a spell. The opinions are fair but don't be winging your opinion in public - or does he want to be the new Babs!
confront those making life difficult in person and rule with an iron fist if you must. But, for me, not to be done in public though - kind of calling out players in public too... - doesn't go lead to good things...

danganabu

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I'm not saying his hurling career informs his managerial career - but, simply pointing out that his calls for Tipp to be tough is a bit rich considering he wasn't tough. He got an all-star when he was 19 - when Michael cleary, Declan ryan and co hand passed him into an all-star
Was a sub for that all-ireland he got. Was dropped and brought back in by Babs for a spell. The opinions are fair but don't be winging your opinion in public - or does he want to be the new Babs!
confront those making life difficult in person and rule with an iron fist if you must. But, for me, not to be done in public though - kind of calling out players in public too... - doesn't go lead to good things...

He was top scorer from play in the country that year as a 19 year old, jaysus they must have been some hand passes to be fair

I'm indifferent on the whole whether he should have said anything or not but I don't have a major problem with it seeing that he didn't specifically name names, so its more the practice that the people he is highlighting and to be honest that's perfectly fair to me. I have been involved in coaching and you would be really shocked to see the carry on of certain parents when it comes to their little johnny, it can be quite sickening and intimidating to be honest.

evolving tipperary

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I'm not saying his hurling career informs his managerial career - but, simply pointing out that his calls for Tipp to be tough is a bit rich considering he wasn't tough. He got an all-star when he was 19 - when Michael cleary, Declan ryan and co hand passed him into an all-star
Was a sub for that all-ireland he got. Was dropped and brought back in by Babs for a spell. The opinions are fair but don't be winging your opinion in public - or does he want to be the new Babs!
confront those making life difficult in person and rule with an iron fist if you must. But, for me, not to be done in public though - kind of calling out players in public too... - doesn't go lead to good things...

I think your being unfair on Cahill here. Firstly, he has to show leadership in a management role and i think he has been exceptional in this regard. One would only have to see the workrate his players put in to show the influence he has had on Tipp hurling. I think he is doing quite a good job to be honest. We got to a final last year and while we lost badly on the day i was very impressed with the way we closed out tight games up to that point. We were badly beaten in the final but we had a lot of dual players and there is no doubting that it impacted the preparation as we were preparing for not one but two finals within 3 weeks.

I found absolutely nothing wrong with the way he spoke to the media to be honest. Tagging him as Babs is also unfair. Can someone not make a valid opinion now without being put into this category just because it potentially upsets the majority?

The guy has shown some balls and leadership and it has been lacking in any from Tipperary management with a while. He has not been afraid to make calls that may not be in everyone's interest.

Liam speaks from the heart and is well regarded by the youngsters given the huge effort they put in for him. He is preparing these lads for war down the line. We are now in the era of scrummaging and systems whether we like it or not. Cahill, like myself, is a border man and it will really hurt him to have witnessed Kilkenny ruling with an iron fist for the majority of these past 16 or so seasons. Aside from Sheedy's spell when Cian O'neill was involved, we've never matched Kilkenny physically and by that i included the 2014 replay when we were bullied out of the match

To persist with these tippy-tappy hurlers is all very noble but they need to realise that you have to bring some physicality to the setup. I've seen many of our underage teams such as Minors in 2002 and the u21s in 2004 for example and they had alot of nice hurlers but were blown out of the water in the physical stakes. As a result, the respective managements and players were dismissed and ridiculed by the Tipp public. Liam is trying to stem a tide where as a hurling county we have often marched relentlessly toward the abyss like lemmings hoping that it all works out on the day.

Our minors have produced some lovely stylish hurlers such as Lyndon Fairbrother, Tommy Nolan and Cian Darcy the last two or three years and these have the necessary workrate and physicality going forward which is something.

Interestingly its also refreshing to see that while we often talk of the tight games the seniors have lost, by polar comparison the minors can be credited for closing out many tight games. Fantastic discipline, workrate and maturity shown.

evolving tipperary

Well, he was playing with likes of Cleary, English, Fox, Declan Ryan, Leahy, T Dunne... - he was laid on plenty of scores...Tipp didn't make out of Munster that year... - he got that all-star in his first year and never backed it up. That's a fact.

I just believe that the best managers play the media game - and keep everything in house. Deal with the issue in private - always ALWAYS support players in Public - roast them behind the scenes if you like.

Tipp Gunner, I'm not saying anything about his job and the standard of his job. I'm saying that he shouldn't be washing the dirty linen in public. Last year he was quite vocal too - getting to like the mic a bit too much.

What tippy-tappy hurlers?

Liam is stemming no tide on his own - he is an intercounty minor manager - I'd doubt he is with those lads much. The real work is done with clubs at that grade - senior is a bigger commitment where players can be shaped over time.

I didn't tag him as the new Babs - merely likened his recent interview outburst as Babs like.

evolving tipperary

Word on the grapevine is Kennedy starts wing back (Heffernan has back to back concussions and is still going through protocols). This means Bergin will be on the bench...

Word is half forward line will be Forde, Bonnar, Bubbles - I always feel that the closer Forde is to goal the better - don't know how anybody else feels... - I know the tipp forwards switch around a lot - but, i feel forde should be in the corner. I think John McGrath has the paw and better, distribution, and accuracy to be a fine half forward...(plus, he has played a lot at midfield and will know that sector of the field better).

Also, word is Cork will adopt a 7 man defence and will be looking to rough Tipp up - THE ROCK style. This tipp team have been slow starters (and I think it's a long summer if you want to get to August/September) so the Cork have a definite chance to upset the applecart - (they'd be worth ten yoyos for sure.)

I want to see how good the forward play is - and the interplay. Don't want to Dan McCormack start - had a decent enough league - came on a bit - but he needs a few more league campaigns and some sub championship experience before he can make the grade (if he does).

evolving tipperary

It'll be interesting to see what kind of plan is in place for both [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Harnedy[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] and Lehane - this huge for Michael Ryan's reign. How will the tactics develop...[/font]

mountgomery burns

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Word on the grapevine is Kennedy starts wing back (Heffernan has back to back concussions and is still going through protocols). This means Bergin will be on the bench...

Word is half forward line will be Forde, Bonnar, Bubbles - I always feel that the closer Forde is to goal the better - don't know how anybody else feels... - I know the tipp forwards switch around a lot - but, i feel forde should be in the corner. I think John McGrath has the paw and better, distribution, and accuracy to be a fine half forward...(plus, he has played a lot at midfield and will know that sector of the field better).

Also, word is Cork will adopt a 7 man defence and will be looking to rough Tipp up - THE ROCK style. This tipp team have been slow starters (and I think it's a long summer if you want to get to August/September) so the Cork have a definite chance to upset the applecart - (they'd be worth ten yoyos for sure.)

I want to see how good the forward play is - and the interplay. Don't want to Dan McCormack start - had a decent enough league - came on a bit - but he needs a few more league campaigns and some sub championship experience before he can make the grade (if he does).

Is that what they call national newspapers these days, "the grapevine"?

primary 2

my team for sunday would be

Glesson

Barrett,Barry,Cahill

Berigin,R Maher,P Maher

Maher Breen

G Ryan,Bonner,Bubbles

J Mcgrath,Callanan,Forde

Rasputin11

Tipp footballers played Dublin in Nenagh yesterday evening, they lost by 3-25 to 0-13.

evolving tipperary

primary 2 wrote: »

my team for sunday would be

Glesson

Barrett,Barry,Cahill

Berigin,R Maher,P Maher

Maher Breen

G Ryan,Bonner,Bubbles

J Mcgrath,Callanan,Forde

Interesting, why G Rya? Higher workrate than Noelie? Why not O'Meara? I see John O'Keeffe, Sean Curran, and Donagh Maher is back on the panel...

evolving tipperary

I hear the hurlers got spanked by Dublin in a challenge recently - challenge games are challenge games though...

primary 2

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Interesting, why G Rya? Higher workrate than Noelie? Why not O'Meara? I see John O'Keeffe, Sean Curran, and Donagh Maher is back on the panel...

I always feel gearoid ryan never fully gets the credit he deserves,he offers a huge work rate and is well capable of picking off scores and i think this tipp team needs a bit more of this,what would your opinion be of this? what would your team be?

evolving tipperary

I think 2010 Geroid Ryan walks onto this team - either at half forward or midfield. But, he has terrible injuries since 2010 and he hasn't produced the same form since. Very intelligent hurler who does lots of work - but he can't catch a break fitness wise. Hopefully, he can return to his best - but maybe the body has taken too much of a battering...

Noelie goes missing for large amounts of time in games - I thought O'Meara would have pushed Noelie out of the team by now but he hasn't kicked on at senior level yet into a top class forward - hopefully this year is the year. Or, hopefully Noelie can get back to his best...

primary 2

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I think 2010 Geroid Ryan walks onto this team - either at half forward or midfield. But, he has terrible injuries since 2010 and he hasn't produced the same form since. Very intelligent hurler who does lots of work - but he can't catch a break fitness wise. Hopefully, he can return to his best - but maybe the body has taken too much of a battering...

Noelie goes missing for large amounts of time in games - I thought O'Meara would have pushed Noelie out of the team by now but he hasn't kicked on at senior level yet into a top class forward - hopefully this year is the year. Or, hopefully Noelie can get back to his best...

I would agree with you about noel, geroid ryan i though had a very good year in 2014 and has he had any injury complaints lately?

evolving tipperary

I'm not sure about lately - but, I think he has his problems last year.

evolving tipperary

WTF!!!!!!!!!

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Tipp Team v Cork: Gleeson Barrett Barry Cahill Kennedy R Maher P Maher B Maher Breen Curran McCormack N McGrath ODwyer Callanan J McGrath[/font]

evolving tipperary

That half forward line...

I know Curran's club form has been very good...but...didn't see that coming...

Dan hasn't done enough to warrant his selection...in my opinion.

I wish the lads the best.

Cork to win on Sunday and Tipp to win the All-Ireland - wonder what odds you'd get on that...

This half-forward selection will put serious pressure on Ryan - genius if it works - he'll be annihilated if it dosen't...