Jose Mourinho Sacked

Ormus

eagle eye wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous to see a manager who won the league last season and has qualified for the knockout stages of the Champion's league being sacked over a poor run through 16 games of the league season.

You're clearly new to modern football. Some Real Madrid managers have been sacked after winning the league. Bayern sacked a guy after winning the treble.

It's extremely unusual for a club of Chelsea's ambitions to wait so long for their fortunes to turn around. Very very few managers in the world would have got as long as Jose.

Nerdlingr

eagle eye wrote: »

If he'd lost the dressing room he wouldn't have qualified for the knockout stages of the Champion's league.

How do you explain being one point off relegation then?
He lost the dressing room. You can see it in the likes of Hazard, Costa etc.
They slept walked to the title in the second half of the season last year, then the very first game of this season (not including losing for the first time to Wenger in the CS) he goes off on a tangent about his physios and proceeds to banish/outcast them from the first team. Everything sprialled out of control from that moment.

Francie Barrett

Mourinho getting sacked sets a horrible precedent at Chelsea. It basically says that if any player is unhappy with the manager, all they have to do is stop performing and they will eventually get the manager out.

K-9

keith16 wrote: »

Yep, a poor run. That's all there is to it.

That's the way it has gone. Monk guides Swansea to their best ever finish and the club can't stand by him. Even the likes of Mourinho can't withstand what, lets face it, was a shyte run of results and it didn't look like improving.

Liam O

Mistake getting rid of him.

Lost the plot this season but the squad he has created is quite strong and to get rid of him 2 weeks before they can rejuvenate it is pointless. Made some mistakes with players he sold but delivered the title.

That said I can't think of an example of a manager being this bad after so many games with a very strong squad since Jurgen Klopp in 2014. Everyone knows how bad a manager he is though...

monkey9

Is anybody SSN? The bloody state of it. They're trying to work out if footage of a man in the passenger seat of a car with a hood up is Mourinho or not. They're following the car in a helicopter. They're trying to work if it's him by the watch he's wearing, but they think the person may be too tall to be Mourinho.

As if any of that matters. Who cares if it's him or not. Jesus, they're mad.

K-9

That sounds like the OJ Simpson chase!

Ormus

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Mourinho getting sacked sets a horrible precedent at Chelsea. It basically says that if any player is unhappy with the manager, all they have to do is stop performing and they will eventually get the manager out.

That precedent has been in existence since the dawn of time, but it's really not that simple. All of these players careers have taken a serious step back over the last few months or a year that they've been playing badly.

For instance Hazard was being touted as the next world superstar, and maybe he still will be, but there is now a major question mark over his form, mentality, consistency etc.

Diego Costa was probably worth about £50m this time last year, now he'd be a gamble at £20m.

I really don't think this was a conscious decision by the players to play badly and get Mourinho out. As someone else said, they would be far better off to play well and seek a transfer.

KungPao

Lol Jose sending out a decoy!?

blueser

Ormus wrote: »

That precedent has been in existence since the dawn of time, but it's really not that simple. All of these players careers have taken a serious step back over the last few months or a year that they've been playing badly.

For instance Hazard was being touted as the next world superstar, and maybe he still will be, but there is now a major question mark over his form, mentality, consistency etc.

Diego Costa was probably worth about £50m this time last year, now he'd be a gamble at £20m.

I really don't think this was a conscious decision by the players to play badly and get Mourinho out. As someone else said, they would be far better off to play well and seek a transfer.

Exactly. Player power. It's nothing new. Probably the most famous example was Brian Clough at Leeds. Closer to my heart, it happened at City in the seventies with Ron Saunders. If it is the case here, the players need to take a long, hard look at themselves.

Shanotheslayer

niallo27 wrote: »

If thats the case though then 99% of managers consistently fail.

Not true, differently clubs have different aspiration. If Leicester don't win the league is Raneri a failure? Hardly.

Comparing all clubs and saying '' they fail if they don't win'' is such a black and white way to see it.

Too Tough To Die

Messi ruined the special one. I am convinced of this.

mikeym

Get Brendan Rodgers in he has loads of character.

Andersonisgod

niallo27 wrote: »

Better chance of big Sam getting the madrid job than Jose going back there.

I disagree. Mourinho to Real Madrid is possible, perhaps not his most likely destination as I think PSG will swoop for him but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him end up back at Madrid for one simple reason; Florentino Perez. For Perez, Mourinho was his coach, his number one choice to topple Barcelona. At Madrid, Mourinho was given more power and freedom than any other managers at Real Madrid in living memory. We know that Mourinho's time in Madrid became a catastrophy but Perez was unwilling to sack Mourinho till the very end. Right now he's got Benitez but he's clearly unhappy with him. Benitez has not been performing well and Perez has his minions in the press placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of the coach. They say Zidane is being primed for the job but it's clear to everyone he isn't ready and he isn't what Madrid needs right now. It's entirely possible that in Mourinho, Perez will see a solution again. This time though Mourinho would not enter Madrid a conquering hero as he did the first time (his Inter side beat Barça in the CL semi final, thus avoiding the "horrific" possibility of Barça winning the league at the Bernabeu.) He would enter as a manager whose reputation needs repairing and he would command far less power this time around.

NukaCola

How long before they start crying for him to come back again?

I didn't really like him but he is a fantastic coach, cant help but feel its a mistake to not give the man a chance to turn things around with a signing or two in January. I'm sure there were things going on behind the scenes though and unfortunately results went against them despite not playing terribly.

glued

Mourinho to Madrid is out of the question. The press in Madrid weren't falling around him and sucking up every word like the English press has. He was a failure in Real Madrid and alienated the team. The bones of the squad that opposed him are still at Madrid. I'd say there is very little chance of him ever managing Real Madrid again.

Andersonisgod

glued wrote: »

Mourinho to Madrid is out of the question. The press in Madrid weren't falling around him and sucking up every word like the English press has. He was a failure in Real Madrid and alienated the team. The bones of the squad that opposed him are still at Madrid. I'd say there is very little chance of him ever managing Real Madrid again.

He was considered this time around, but they went with Rafa. I agree it's unlikely, he's a polarising figure in Spain, while the journalists controlled by Perez will hail the second coming, those not so loyal will hound him. By the end he had practically no allies in the Real Madrid dressing room. It would certainly be a hard sell to the fans (who he also divided) and some key players (Ramos and Ronaldo chief among those) to take him back but stranger things have happened and if the stars allign I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Ormus wrote: »

Why?

Wenger has failed at everything bar the FA Cup for the past decade or more, while Jose has won all round him in several different countries.

Mourinho's point was the Wenger consistently fails, and thus is a specialist in it.

That's a very simplistic view of Wenger.

Wenger spent 10 years selling his best player each year to pay for a new stadium and he still maintained Arsenal in the CL each year, while buying only young, potentially good players to replace the experienced player he'd lost.

He has managed to stay in the one club without alienating the whole club or practically anybody else in the same league. Mourinho can only stay 3 years at a club before the majority hate him there and I won't even mention the views of the majority of the rest of the leagues he's managed in.

Flint Fredstone

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The manager Merry-Go-Round is now going to be very interesting

Guardiola to City (likely) to Chelsea (maybe) to Utd (least likely)
Simione to Chelsea (quite likely) to Bayern (doubtful)
Ancelotti to Bayern (likely) to Utd (unlikely)

Tuchel will stay at Dortmund its fair to think.

United will be lucky to get Moyes back if you're to be listened to.

Bounty Hunter

Laurent Blanc is looking over his shoulder i'd say

Flint Fredstone

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Laurent Blanc is looking over his shoulder i'd say

Would they rally want to rock the boat there? They seem to be ticking along nicely and have little trouble attracting big names so I doubt they would jeopardise their position.

Arghus

Bittersweet to see him go. I enjoy that he's got his just deserts but it would have been lovely to see him continue to make an ass of himself for another few weeks.

I don't understand people saying that they can't believe he's got the boot. Yes, he won the league but the situation at Chelsea was clearly rancidly toxic and he was increasingly floundering around, unable to do anything to arrest the decline.Wining the league got him sixteen games, anyone else would have got ten or less. His best tactic was to lash out and apportion blame to everyone but himself. What he had to say after the Leicester defeat were the words of a man who hadn't stomach for the fight and I would wager they were calculated to generate a P45. You can't call a bunch of players essentially lazy and usless and expect them to try too hard for you. So maybe today is in actuality a good day for José - free at last, thank God Almighty I'm free at last.

Of course the players do bear some responsibility, but the buck stops with the manager. I feel that the way it's ended here, coupled with the acrimony towards the end at Madrid has definitely damaged brand Mourinho. He's far from special any more.

That_Guy

Parking buses. Throwing all and sundry under them. Shame the shíte couldn't continue for a while longer but it's a completely deserved sacking.

sabat

I'm really disappointed they went with Hiddink and didn't give John Terry a shot as player-manager until the end of the season, purely to see his snivelling rat face when they got relegated.

SantryRed

As a Watford fan, I was hoping for him to stick around until Saturday week at least!

Such a strange time to sack him though. On the Thursday afternoon with a game on the Saturday, might as well give him the Saturday game.

CSF

SantryRed wrote: »

As a Watford fan, I was hoping for him to stick around until Saturday week at least!

Such a strange time to sack him though. On the Thursday afternoon with a game on the Saturday, might as well give him the Saturday game.

Depends, if the players were that much against him, you could be almost buying yourself a win this weekend by sacking him.

Berserker

SantryRed wrote: »

As a Watford fan, I was hoping for him to stick around until Saturday week at least!

Such a strange time to sack him though. On the Thursday afternoon with a game on the Saturday, might as well give him the Saturday game.

I'd say Sam and Sunderland are sick. A trip to Chelsea was a far less difficult task prior to his sacking. I understand Chelsea's decision to sack him today. It gives the new man, Hiddink, time to survey squad with a view to going out and getting the players he needs in the January window. If they go on a league title contenders run of form for the remainder of the season, they have a small chance of getting that fourth spot, given the inconsistency of the other candidates. I think we will see the old Chelsea on Saturday, now that JM has left. That in itself should see them past a poor Sunderland outfit.

Shanotheslayer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3364653/PIERS-MORGAN-sacking-Jose-Mourinho-worst-decision-football-history-shameful-Chelsea-let-sack-treacherous-prima-donna-stars-playing-like-Christmas-turkeys-conspiring-bring-down.html

Interested Article by Piers

astonaidan

Kinda want him to go to PSG. Winning the league wouldnt be a problem, would leave him able to go all out for CL which is what Paris are all about

Bohrio

Well thats The Special Gone

I see him coaching Portugals National team or back to Italy tbh... Paris maybe

monkey9

I hope he gets the PSG job in time for the Champions League match against Chelsea.

Ormus

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That's a very simplistic view of Wenger.

Wenger spent 10 years selling his best player each year to pay for a new stadium and he still maintained Arsenal in the CL each year, while buying only young, potentially good players to replace the experienced player he'd lost.

He has managed to stay in the one club without alienating the whole club or practically anybody else in the same league. Mourinho can only stay 3 years at a club before the majority hate him there and I won't even mention the views of the majority of the rest of the leagues he's managed in.

I agree it's a simplistic view of Wenger, but Mourinho was being intentionally simplistic. Mourinho has won a lot of trophies, so his response to any criticism is always to point to his trophy haul.

Wenger has done well to maintain Arsenal as a top club, but in terms of trophies he's definitely failed in the last decade.

kksaints

monkey9 wrote: »

I hope he gets the PSG job in time for the Champions League match against Chelsea.

Considering how dominant PSG are in the French league at the moment I cannot see any reason why they would get rid of Blanc.

Sacksian

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here's 12,000 words by Jonathan Wilson on "Jose Mourinho - the manager, his methods and why it always goes wrong in the third season":

The Devil's Party

Ol' Donie

Sacksian wrote: »

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here's 12,000 words by Jonathan Wilson on "Jose Mourinho - the manager, his methods and why it always goes wrong in the third season":

The Devil's Party

Hmm. Unlikely he'd go the the French league after reading the first bit of that.

Well, if he wasn't a massive hypocrite.

Ferris_Bueller

I really didn't see it coming to this but their form has been shocking and if it was any other manager in charge of Chelsea I'd say they would have been gone a few weeks ago. I think Chelsea will struggle even with a new manager, they have some great players at the club but too many of their stars look out of sorts and I don't think a new manager will fix everything instantly. The league is a write off for Chelsea now, they might as well take their time at appointing a new permanent coach, can see them getting someone in until the end of the season, could be hilarious if the situation gets worse.

I think Mourinho will still be a success at his next club, PSG or United I'd guess are the most likely. He is very dislikeable but he is a great manager and I've a feeling Chelsea will come out of this worse than Mourinho.

Kerrigooney

Delighted for him. I despised him. Hope he's never seen in English football again.

CSF

PSG or Juventus IMO.

Paully D

It'd have to happen just before they play Sunderland. :rolleyes:

Ulysses Gaze

CSF wrote: »

PSG or Juventus IMO.

Juve won't hire him because he managed Inter previously.

Amirani

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Juve won't hire him because he managed Inter previously.

They hired Zaccheroni and brought Lippi back.

CSF

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Juve won't hire him because he managed Inter previously.

Yeah I don't think that's gonna be a thing

Ulysses Gaze

Amirani wrote: »

They hired Zaccheroni and brought Lippi back.

Lippi was a Juve legend before he went to Inter.

Zaccheroni was a caretaker appointment until the end of the season.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Ormus wrote: »

I agree it's a simplistic view of Wenger, but Mourinho was being intentionally simplistic. Mourinho has won a lot of trophies, so his response to any criticism is always to point to his trophy haul.

Wenger has done well to maintain Arsenal as a top club, but in terms of trophies he's definitely failed in the last decade.

Let me put it a different way.

If Mourinho was in charge of Arsenal and Wenger was in charge of chelsea, which one do you think would be closer to the achievements of the other?

I cannot see Mourinho succeeding with having to sell his best player each year but I could see Wenger succeeding with an unlimited chequebook.

Icaras

PSG I reckon - isnt he really good friends with Ibrahimovic?

Rezident

Good for football. The success really did turn him into a horrible, megalomaniac. What he did to Eva Caneiro was nasty. He's really turned into a nasty piece of work, like when he jabbed Tito (RIP) in the eye. Mourinho is a scumbag who got away with it for years because he was successful at his job. Looks like even his own team finally couldn't stand him anymore. I honestly believe that man would do almost anything to win.

Strumms

Rezident wrote: »

Good for football. The success really did turn him into a horrible, megalomaniac. What he did to Eva Caneiro was nasty. He's really turned into a nasty piece of work, like when he jabbed Tito (RIP) in the eye. Mourinho is a scumbag who got away with it for years because he was successful at his job. Looks like even his own team finally couldn't stand him anymore. I honestly believe that man would do almost anything to win.

I'd agree. I never liked the guy from the first time I came across him in a significant way when he set up his team to cheat the better side at the time Celtic out of winning the UEFA Cup Final back in 2003 I think. Obviously the referee had a lot to do with that on the night.

You cannot take away his achievements and trophies and he should be given credit as it is due to him for that. However the way he conducted himself never appealed to me. For his success he didn't come into the realm of someone who I viewed as a 'sporting person'. For all his success we know he lost the dressing room at Inter as well as Chelsea that must be clear for all now and who knows what went on at Madrid. Not a nice guy but he has been a winner wherever he has been so credit to him. The way he treated Eva Carneiro btw... i don't blame him wholly I blame his bosses for that if I was an MD or senior manager you'd be pulling rank there. Disgraceful.

kingtiger

Maybe Florentino Pérez will bring him back to the Bernabéu too really make a great job of destroying Real

you may as well go the whole hog

marklazarcovic

a septic manager ,loves utd more than chelsea aswell,the one manager who believes he's bigger than the club he manages,hope he goes into international football so he gets less tv coverage

Wompa1

super_furry wrote: »

Rubbish. She was bullied, harassed and victimised by Mourinho for doing her job. What option was she left with? The club endorsed Mourinho's bullying by removing her from her match day duties, you can't expect anyone in that position just to put up and shut up.

Bullied her? He was her boss. I've been working for a long time. I've had a few different bosses scold me when they thought I didn't do something right. It does happen...it's demoralizing for sure but why would you consider it bullying?