Jose Mourinho Sacked

Reganio 2

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Glad to see him go.

Most arrogant flukiest manager alive.

Only goes and picks a club who are already a TOP side with lots of money to burn and as soon as the going gets tough he jumps ship.

You just described pep guardiola as well.

marklazarcovic

Reganio 2 wrote:

You just described pep guardiola as well.

Except he leaves with having improved the club he managed,mourinho poisons clubs

jonneymendoza

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Glad to see him go.

Most arrogant flukiest manager alive.

Only goes and picks a club who are already a TOP side with lots of money to burn and as soon as the going gets tough he jumps ship.

He has such an awful attitude and which he never manages again in this country personally.

Yeah, like Porto were the biggest club in Europe when he took ov..oh wait no, your post is nonsense.

Wrongway1985

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah, like Porto were the biggest club in Europe when he took ov..oh wait no, your post is nonsense.

Yeah and Inter Milan had got past the last 16 in the CL just twice he hardly achieved that let alone win the thing...oh wait

bucketybuck

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Except he leaves with having improved the club he managed,mourinho poisons clubs

Mourinho is leaving the club as league champions in the last 16 of the CL and with an excellent squad of players.

Ulysses Gaze

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Yeah and Inter Milan had got past the last 16 in the CL just twice he hardly achieved that let alone win the thing...oh wait

Inter were a very wealthy club, run by an Oil Billionaire at the time, who also had very talented squad of players (like Chelsea and Real Madrid when Jose joined). Before Mourinho, they were managed by a Mancini who is not a top, top manager. It's not like Mourinho won the CL with Roma, Lazio or Fiorentina.

Porto are the richest, most successful club in Portugal and Mourinho won the Champions League in a less than vintage year. They spanked a very average Monaco side in the final and the only really big name they played was Man Utd. Who, under Ferguson, had a habit of screwing up in Europe.

gosplan

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Inter were a very wealthy club, run by an Oil Billionaire at the time, who also had very talented squad of players (like Chelsea and Real Madrid when Jose joined). Before Mourinho, they were managed by a Mancini who is not a top, top manager. It's not like Mourinho won the CL with Roma, Lazio or Fiorentina.

Porto are the richest, most successful club in Portugal and Mourinho won the Champions League in a less than vintage year. They spanked a very average Monaco side in the final and the only really big name they played was Man Utd. Who, under Ferguson, had a habit of screwing up in Europe.

Yeah, but you have to give him credit for building an excellent Porto team.

For me that's the real downfall. Ricky and Ferrera must have played for Jose for about 6 years. Now the players he scouts and buys are either never any use and shipped out quickly (Luis, Cudrado, Salah) or have just turned against him after one year - Fab, Costa, Matic.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Inter were a very wealthy club, run by an Oil Billionaire at the time, who also had very talented squad of players (like Chelsea and Real Madrid when Jose joined). Before Mourinho, they were managed by a Mancini who is not a top, top manager. It's not like Mourinho won the CL with Roma, Lazio or Fiorentina.

Porto are the richest, most successful club in Portugal and Mourinho won the Champions League in a less than vintage year. They spanked a very average Monaco side in the final and the only really big name they played was Man Utd. Who, under Ferguson, had a habit of screwing up in Europe.

How many top quality players did Porto have.

I'd only have Carvalho and Deco out of that team in that category.Most of the rest of the team did nothing of note in the rest of their careers.

They managed to win the Champions League despite having no real top class strikers aswell.

Dempsey

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

How many top quality players did Porto have.

I'd only have Carvalho and Deco out of that team in that category.Most of the rest of the team did nothing of note in the rest of their careers.

They managed to win the Champions League despite having no real top class strikers aswell.

Paulo Ferreira won league titles with Chelsea, Maniche won Seria A and Pedro Mendez got knocked out by Ben Thatcher!

Thats the thing, Porto had a highly impressive team, not individuals masquerading as a team that has become common place in the EPL and Real Madrid because of TV money.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Dempsey wrote: »

Paulo Ferreira won league titles with Chelsea, Maniche won Seria A and Pedro Mendez got knocked out by Ben Thatcher!

Thats the thing, Porto had a highly impressive team, not individuals masquerading as a team that has become common place in the EPL and Real Madrid because of TV money.

Maniche never played anywhere near as well after he left Porto.

Paulo Ferreira wasn't as good after he left Porto in my opinion.Started well at Chelsea but then faded away.

Surely Mourihnio has to take a large amount of credit for building such an impressive team who won European trophies in consecutive years depsite their individual talent level not being on the level of a lot of the top teams in Europe at the time.

gosplan

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Maniche never played anywhere near as well after he left Porto.

Paulo Ferreira wasn't as good after he left Porto in my opinion.Started well at Chelsea but then faded away.

Surely Mourihnio has to take a large amount of credit for building such an impressive team who won European trophies in consecutive years depsite their individual talent level not being on the level of a lot of the top teams in Europe at the time.

Absolutely he does. That and his first 2 years in England were peak Jose.

Dempsey

Its a team sport, not who has the best individual talent as Real Madrid have shown over the past decade and a bit

osarusan

He was a great manager and will be again, and was a bit of a d!ck in the way that many managers are.

I never viewed him as any more of a d!ck than many other managers uintil the Eva Carneiro thing. Sure, he overreacted at the time, but he could have defused the whole thing at any stage by say he overreated in the heat of the moment, and of course he trusts his medical staff to do the nest for his players.

Instead he helped it drag on for ages and cam across as very unlikable in the process. It seemed he simply had the attitude of 'it doesn't matter that I was wrong, i have the power to win this battle anyway and I will.'

I imagine that what went wrong for him can't be easily pinned down to any one specific incident, but it wouldn't surprise me if players lost a certain amount of respect for him after that.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Dempsey wrote: »

Its a team sport, not who has the best individual talent as Real Madrid have shown over the past decade and a bit

Yes but the a manger plays a large role in getting the best out of a team who may be lacking in individual talent.

It's a much harder job to do when you don't have bucket loads of top class players to work with and you have to actually manage resources and work out how to compensate for that.

Dempsey

Whilst a good manager is important, there is alot more to a team playing well than just the manager.

Having bucket loads of talented indivduals brings its own problems and often its ego and internal politics that take over and you end up with situations like Real Madrid, Chelsea, Man United and Man City. These clubs are not able to consistently able to get the best out of the individual talent at their disposal. That Porto team was finely balanced through years of squad development that started long before Mourinho arrived, same went for Vilas Boas that followed after. Top clubs like Porto, Bayern and Barcelona have great squad development and it happens largely independent of the who the current manager is.

Wrongway1985

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Inter were a very wealthy club, run by an Oil Billionaire at the time, who also had very talented squad of players (like Chelsea and Real Madrid when Jose joined). Before Mourinho, they were managed by a Mancini who is not a top, top manager. It's not like Mourinho won the CL with Roma, Lazio or Fiorentina.

Porto are the richest, most successful club in Portugal and Mourinho won the Champions League in a less than vintage year. They spanked a very average Monaco side in the final and the only really big name they played was Man Utd. Who, under Ferguson, had a habit of screwing up in Europe.

Perhaps you don't watch Serie A only once since Mourinho left have Inter finished above all of the teams you have mentioned. They were the ones qualifying for the tournament when Inter couldn't even contest the group stage.

Less than vintage year is what you call 2 underdogs making the final? That Porto side won the UEFA cup the previous year to follow up with the victory in the elite competition the following year outstanding!

Ulysses Gaze

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Perhaps you don't watch Serie A only once since Mourinho left have Inter finished above all of the teams you have mentioned. They were the ones qualifying for the tournament when Inter couldn't even contest the group stage.

Less than vintage year is what you call 2 underdogs making the final? That Porto side won the UEFA cup the previous year to follow up with the victory in the elite competition the following year outstanding!

Inter fell away because Moratti could not afford to spend the same amount of money he had done for the previous 10 year spell. He spent more than €1 billion on the club from when he took over until 2010. The crisis in Libya impacted significantly on the Moratti oil business. That's why he ended up selling the club at a cut price to Thohir.

And it's not like Mourinho took over a third rate Inter side. They had been Champions for a couple of seasons prior to his arrival and were populated by stellar players.

8/15 to be the next utd manager

Iused2likebusts

M!Ck^ wrote: »

8/15 to be the next utd manager

He will be utd manager by the end of 2015 imo. He is a huge upgrade on van Gaal and the only reason I can't see utd go for him is if pep is lined up.

Turtyturd

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

He will be utd manager by the end of 2015 imo. He is a huge upgrade on van Gaal and the only reason I can't see utd go for him is if pep is lined up.

When Chelsea mutually consented him would there not have been a clause included in the terms to prevent him taking over another club for a certain period of time?

Fairly sure it was the case for AVB and Ancelotti.

Liam McPoyle

Turtyturd wrote: »

When Chelsea mutually consented him would there not have been a clause included in the terms to prevent him taking over another club for a certain period of time?

Fairly sure it was the case for AVB and Ancelotti.

Hasn't Jose himself said he was sacked though?

Lukker-

Turtyturd wrote: »

When Chelsea mutually consented him would there not have been a clause included in the terms to prevent him taking over another club for a certain period of time?

Fairly sure it was the case for AVB and Ancelotti.

He supposedly turned down any compensation so I'd assume that would void that agreement.

Turtwig

Pep to city and Jose to man Utd or vice versa would be a fcking mess!

Manchester would probably explode in riots.

Lukker-

Turtwig wrote: »

Pep to city and Jose to man Utd or vice versa would be a fcking mess!

Manchester would probably explode in riots.

Manchester would be a war torn hell hole, Jose would rise and declare himself the diplomatically elected leader of the mob. He'd then have all other challengers killed and declare himself Emperor for life.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Requin wrote: »

Genuinely hope we never see him the the PL again. The man is pure poison.

Ah, here now.

That's very harsh on poison, tbf...

Sanity_Saviour

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Inter were a very wealthy club, run by an Oil Billionaire at the time, who also had very talented squad of players (like Chelsea and Real Madrid when Jose joined). Before Mourinho, they were managed by a Mancini who is not a top, top manager. It's not like Mourinho won the CL with Roma, Lazio or Fiorentina.

Porto are the richest, most successful club in Portugal and Mourinho won the Champions League in a less than vintage year. They spanked a very average Monaco side in the final and the only really big name they played was Man Utd. Who, under Ferguson, had a habit of screwing up in Europe.

It's amazing how people can rationalise their juvenile hatred for an individual with pure nonsense

RayCon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuIHuOLcg38

jonneymendoza

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, like Porto were the biggest club in Europe when he took ov..oh wait no, your post is nonsense.

like others said, porto had an amazing team.

basically they were like athletico madrid. just a well drilled side.

from then on he picked the easy jobs and jumped ship as soon as he felt the pressure.

Be funny enough if he goes to Utd. Seems fairly split from Utd fans I know. I'd say more saying they don't want him

Ulysses Gaze

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

It's amazing how people can rationalise their juvenile hatred for an individual with pure nonsense

Argue against it then? And read my other post about how and why Inter fell away after Mourinho left.

All that I've said about his stint at Inter is true.

Go and read about it.

jonneymendoza

jonneymendoza wrote: »

like others said, porto had an amazing team.

basically they were like athletico madrid. just a well drilled side.

from then on he picked the easy jobs and jumped ship as soon as he felt the pressure.

That's kinda what happens with good managers, they don't take a club like Porto to the UEFA Cup and CL in successive years and move to Finn Harps for the challenge!

He brought Chelsea to their first title in 50 years, and they retained it. He then moved to Inter where they won the league, cup and CL, to become the first Italian side to win the treble. The whole "yeah...but like he fluked it...got lucky...just did easy stuff" is contradicted by his record.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's kinda what happens with good managers, they don't take a club like Porto to the UEFA Cup and CL in successive years and move to Finn Harps for the challenge!

He brought Chelsea to their first title in 50 years, and they retained it. He then moved to Inter where they won the league, cup and CL, to become the first Italian side to win the treble. The whole "yeah...but like he fluked it...got lucky...just did easy stuff" is contradicted by his record.

First time I've ever heard fluke mentioned with Mourinhios achievements.

It's almost non-existent and anyone who says it can be dismissed quickly. Wouldn't worry about making it something it's not

Dirty Dingus McGee

jonneymendoza wrote: »

like others said, porto had an amazing team.

basically they were like athletico madrid. just a well drilled side.

from then on he picked the easy jobs and jumped ship as soon as he felt the pressure.

Exactly.

Which the manager has to take a large amount of credit for as he helped turn them into such a well drilled side.

I'm pretty certain that if Mourihno wasn't Porto's manager they wouldn't have won the champions league similarly if Simeone wasn't Atletico's manager they wouldn't have been so successful either.


Winning titles with Bayern,Barca,Man City etc and there almost unlimited resources is basically being handed and open goal but to it with clubs a level below that is a massive achievement.

garra

One thing I find hugely disappointing about this cleverly planned exit by the special one is the frail bending over of abramovic. He rewards his SO with a contract until 2019 and then watches on as mourinho besmirches the reputation of the club with carneiro treatment and other calculated efforts to alienate himself from the players. All of that horrible behaviour because he is too mean to quit a job he clearly despised, can't miss out on the pay-off can we?
How big a fool does abramovic look? Call yourself a Russian oligarch and let calculating vindictive self serving special ones walk all over you? What a joker. One can only hope he redeems himself by finding that polonium and a good man to deliver it.

Sanity_Saviour

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Argue against it then? And read my other post about how and why Inter fell away after Mourinho left.

All that I've said about his stint at Inter is true.

Go and read about it.

your whole argument is that winning the Champions League (twice!) wasn't actually an achievement cos he had good players

Saadyst

garra wrote: »

One thing I find hugely disappointing about this cleverly planned exit by the special one is the frail bending over of abramovic. He rewards his SO with a contract until 2019 and then watches on as mourinho besmirches the reputation of the club with carneiro treatment and other calculated efforts to alienate himself from the players. All of that horrible behaviour because he is too mean to quit a job he clearly despised, can't miss out on the pay-off can we?
How big a fool does abramovic look? Call yourself a Russian oligarch and let calculating vindictive self serving special ones walk all over you? What a joker. One can only hope he redeems himself by finding that polonium and a good man to deliver it.

It's only football man...

I don't think anyone has ever doubted Mourinhios ability of a manager.

His antics though are totally classless.

It was quite nice to see him struggling recently especially after the way he treated the doctor. Karma.

Sanity_Saviour

RoboKlopp wrote: »

I don't think anyone has ever doubted Mourinhios ability of a manager.

His antics though are totally classless.

It was quite nice to see him struggling recently especially after the way he treated the doctor. Karma.

Why is being Mr. Classy classiness important? No prizes for being "classiest manager of the year"

Apart from this year, he won games and titles, all that matters

gosplan

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

Why is being Mr. Classy classiness important? No prizes for being "classiest manager of the year"

Apart from this year, he won games and titles, all that matters

So you'd also have no problems with cheating, PEDs, bribing refs?

As in winning 'games and titles, all that matters'

CSF

gosplan wrote: »

So you'd also have no problems with cheating, PEDs, bribing refs?

As in winning 'games and titles, all that matters'

Not a good argument. Those are a completely different kettle of fish altogether and its stretching the same logic too far.

RoboKlopp

RoboKlopp wrote: »

I don't think anyone has ever doubted Mourinhios ability of a manager.

His antics though are totally classless.

Again Ferguson and Clough spring to mind...

gosplan

CSF wrote: »

Not a good argument. Those are a completely different kettle of fish altogether and its stretching the same logic too far.

I'd completely disagree, it's just taking the whole 'winning is all that matters' to it's logical conclusion.

Obviously, then winning isn't all that matters ... so there's some kind of sense of morality bound up in this sport we love so much.

Sorry but Jose has done some awful things, his attitude is terrible. I realise that some of us think that particular actions are ethically right or wrong, whereas some think it's doesn't matter what you do once you win - the ends justify the means.

But it's hard to say 'the ends justify the means unless is something really bad', like define really bad?

After four bad results at the start of the season, Jose picked a fight with Wenger, callled Rafa fat and effectively sh1tcanned a Chelsea medic. I have no doubt it was all just tactics, poorly judged it seems.

But why is effectively ruining an innocent person's career in public OK as some kind of tactic to empower you and deemed acceptable conduct, but bribing officals isn't?

Jose has no morality, none. Winning is all that matters. Some people don't think that's very appealing or that it should be accepted.

CSF

gosplan wrote: »

I'd completely disagree, it's just taking the whole 'winning is all that matters' to it's logical conclusion.

Obviously, then winning isn't all that matters ... so there's some kind of sense of morality bound up in this sport we love so much.

Grand sure lets just stretch it even further if we think it's ok to kill the opponent the night before, I mean that's the logical conclusion too right?

Except neither are, there are plenty of people who have that 'win at all costs' mentality, some of whom engage in sportsmanship who wouldn't dream of bribing the red or taking PEDs. These win at all costs mentalities are not one and the same.

gosplan

CSF wrote: »

Grand sure lets just stretch it even further if we think it's ok to kill the opponent the night before, I mean that's the logical conclusion too right?

Except neither are, there are plenty of people who have that 'win at all costs' mentality, some of whom engage in sportsmanship who wouldn't dream of bribing the red or taking PEDs. These win at all costs mentalities are not one and the same.

So it's about where you draw the line.

Winning isn't all that matters.

That's my only point really. One can't say 'winning is all that matters'.

There's a line. The line is in a different place for different people but it's not a stretch to suggest that Jose is on the wrong side for a lot of people.

Richard Hillman

You could aim criticism at most of the great managers in regard to ethics.

Ferguson and Clough were bullys
Guardiola: doping suspicions and onfield cheating
Del Bosque: racism
Jock Stein: Celtic Boys Club/Jim Torbett
Hiddink: tax evasion
Don Revie: Bribes/Bungs

Pretty much all of the great Italian managers turned a blind eye to doping. Trap, Lippi, Ancelotti, Capello etc

You'd be hard pushed to find a great manager that doesn't have a bit of dirt on them.

gosplan

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You could aim criticism at most of the great managers in regard to ethics.

Ferguson and Clough were bullys
Guardiola: doping suspicions and onfield cheating
Del Bosque: racism
Jock Stein: Celtic Boys Club/Jim Torbett
Hiddink: tax evasion
Don Revie: Bribes/Bungs

Pretty much all of the great Italian managers turned a blind eye to doping. Trap, Lippi, Ancelotti, Capello etc

You'd be hard pushed to find a great manager that doesn't have a bit of dirt on them.

Absolutely and it's up to individuals to decide what they feel is acceptable.

Taking Fergie for example, he was a power-mad bully ... but he was respectful. Mind games were as bad as it got. That and shutting out the media but giving well payed players the hairdryer treatment and not talking to journalists is very very different from picking fights with all around you.

He's different to Mourinho for me ... but that's just my opinion.

Like I think Drogba's great but just hate Costa - his whole approach to the game is horrific. Kind of the same thing.

K-9

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

Why is being Mr. Classy classiness important? No prizes for being "classiest manager of the year"

Apart from this year, he won games and titles, all that matters

There's other managers who win titles without all the histrionics.

Sanity_Saviour

K-9 wrote: »

There's other managers who win titles without all the histrionics.

I'm sure there was, and good for them. Which end of season "Classy man of the season award" did they win?

Not many of them are as successful as Mourinho though because he usually wins more games (and titles!) than he loses: the job of a football manager

gosplan wrote: »

So you'd also have no problems with cheating, PEDs, bribing refs?

As in winning 'games and titles, all that matters'

Is that what I said, or what you think I am thinking? Big difference between the two!

Andersonisgod

Mourinho looking potentially Real Madrid bound if you believe reports. I said on this very forum only a few days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if it were to happen, while Mourinho's time in Spain was volatile (even by his standards) he remains the man for Florentino Perez. When Barcelona were rising, it was Mourinho that Perez turned to, here we are again and Barcelona are rising, again Perez will turn to Mourinho to be the solution. No coach has ever, in my lifetime anyway, been given the same kind of power at Real Madrid as Mourinho commanded the first time around, I am certain he won't be given the same freedom this time and that's guaranteed to lead to tension straight away. Mourinho is also not a beloved figure (to put it kindly) of some of Real Madrid'a key players who were there the first time around, chances are that if Mourinho arrives those players will go.

Buford T. Justice XIX

I must admit the following article made me laugh out loud with ironic glee:D

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/chelsea-could-have-to-pay-jose-mourinho-while-he-manages-manchester-united-34312979.html

Chelsea could have to pay Jose Mourinho while he manages Manchester United.