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32A 7.2 kW chargepoint installed
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Holy majoley Mad_Lad that's a savage amount of mileage. it's more than DOUBLE mine, and we got the car around the same time. 12700km per year is the average... you're more than double the average mileage for any type of car, petrol, diesel etc.
No wonder you need the faster charger! Average users like myself wouldn't be doing anywhere near that (which is the more likely reason dealers don't put them in as standard)
There are people driving more than me but yes it is a bit on the high side and I'm just barely under my PCP contract allowance, though if I go over a few K isn't going to matter much.
I've saved a lot of petrol or diesel which means savings go back towards the PCP, saving on maintenance and motor tax too.
What's sadder is that that's mainly work mileage.
I work 14 days a month on Shift too which means I'd have a good bit more if working normal 8 hr days.
I'd say if it's cost me 600 Euro with work charging and public charger usage that's about the most I've paid V maybe 4000 in the Prius which was a miser on fuel.0 -
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@Rafal thanks for starting and curating this thread; I've learnt a lot from it. For me, it could be 2yr or more before I replace a 9y old Astra; hopefully it will be with an EV and I'm now much more aware of the options around charging.
Another important thing to realise was that not all charge points can be used by all EVs; that makes me less enthusiastic about the move to EV and adds another thing to the research list. Very grateful to learn it all the same.
Everything still going great with the Leaf all this time later?
Edanto, thanks for saying the nice words, I am glad this post has helped you and some others. Yes, the Leaf if now over a year old and it is, by far, the best car that I have ever owned. 100% reliable, so far, and the quality of the ride, which I realise is subjectively personal, feels much superior to that of the i3 and of the eGolf, but not as luxurious as that of a Tesla. The car still smells fresh, no vague scent of petrochemicals seeping in, seats are firm and comfy, and it looks good both inside and out. First minor scratches have started to appear on the outside, especially front bonnet. I wish the paint was more resistant, but that is no different from the Prius we had before, but sadly it is not better as I have hoped for. Overall, I wish it was more sound-proofed inside, as the road noise in an otherwise very quiet car is a new phenomenon to me, and one that I would like to reduce. However, when driving at full speed on the newer roadways, like the new stretches of M11 approaching Gorey from the north, and towards Wexford, the silence of that tarmac is just amazing! With the softish Leaf suspension, which I like a lot, it feels like coasting in a yacht, not like driving a car. Still, the acceleration of the Leaf, while not that of the i3, surprises me and still makes me grin, when needed.
I cannot think of ever going back to petrol, not unless EVs became unavailable. I am also sure that I have selected the right car for my family and I.
One year on, I can say that home charging using my 32A post comes in useful perhaps once a month, when a quick top-up is helpful, but to be honest, I now think of it as a very desirable luxury option without which we could have managed, had we only had the option of 16A for some reason—but I am very glad to have afforded it. I have never experienced any electrical supply issues or contention with other house needs because of it, either.
On the other hand, having the 6.6 kW charger in the Leaf, which enables us to use street-side 32A posts, is useful several times a week. They are abundant in Dublin and in Co Wicklow, and almost always supply the 28A that this Leaf can take. This means that I now am quite relaxed about watching battery levels, because pretty much every trip that includes an hour's stop somewhere gives me the 30% top-up that you get in this car in an hour on a 32A post—this is a huge benefit, and I am sure MadLad would second that. The smaller, 3.3kW charger, would only get about 15% in an hour, which just happens to be half of what I would have needed. I suppose it all depends on your trip lengths and stop durations, but for us this has been an extremely important feature. Overall, this ability to rely on 32A posts in case I needed one means longer journey planning is easy. We often drive from Bray to Belfast, or back, with only one charge stop along the route, in Castlebellingham. Bear in mind, this is a 30 kWh Leaf, as that would not be possible in a 24 kWh one. Still, one year ago, we were more cautious, taking a second charge along that route.
Variety of cabling and charging systems is a nuisance, but we accept it as a price of being earlyish adopters. However, I cannot stress how pleasant it is to have a tethered cable, so that I do not have to faff with things when I plug in at night, especially in the rain. I would have hated having to plug the other end of a Type 2 cable, especially if I had to take it out of the boot etc. If you value comfort and convenience, go for the tethered option. You can always change the car end of that cable if you needed to switch from Type 1 (Leaf) to Type 2 (i3 etc) in the future. On the other hand, we have used the granny cable fewer than 12 times in the year, but we like to bring it on longer, or more remote trips for the peace of mind. It was useful, even though we could have planned that trip without it, when staying in a B&B in the Burren. It also seems to have blown the B&B fuses on both mornings we stayed there.
Having taken our Leaf to Edinburgh and back, and having circumnavigated the whole island of Ireland, including remote parts of Donegal, I have never yet been anything but amazed by how easy it all has been. Yes, it requires a little bit of planning, but we find that to be an enjoyable part of this new era in motoring.
I am a happy EV driver, and a pleased Leaf owner, one year on.0 -
Edanto, thanks for saying the nice words, I am glad this post has helped you and some others. Yes, the Leaf if now over a year old and it is, by far, the best car that I have ever owned. 100% reliable, so far, and the quality of the ride, which I realise is subjectively personal, feels much superior to that of the i3 and of the eGolf, but not as luxurious as that of a Tesla. The car still smells fresh, no vague scent of petrochemicals seeping in, seats are firm and comfy, and it looks good both inside and out. First minor scratches have started to appear on the outside, especially front bonnet. I wish the paint was more resistant, but that is no different from the Prius we had before, but sadly it is not better as I have hoped for. Overall, I wish it was more sound-proofed inside, as the road noise in an otherwise very quiet car is a new phenomenon to me, and one that I would like to reduce. However, when driving at full speed on the newer roadways, like the new stretches of M11 approaching Gorey from the north, and towards Wexford, the silence of that tarmac is just amazing! With the softish Leaf suspension, which I like a lot, it feels like coasting in a yacht, not like driving a car. Still, the acceleration of the Leaf, while not that of the i3, surprises me and still makes me grin, when needed.
I cannot think of ever going back to petrol, not unless EVs became unavailable. I am also sure that I have selected the right car for my family and I.
One year on, I can say that home charging using my 32A post comes in useful perhaps once a month, when a quick top-up is helpful, but to be honest, I now think of it as a very desirable luxury option without which we could have managed, had we only had the option of 16A for some reason—but I am very glad to have afforded it. I have never experienced any electrical supply issues or contention with other house needs because of it, either.
On the other hand, having the 6.6 kW charger in the Leaf, which enables us to use street-side 32A posts, is useful several times a week. They are abundant in Dublin and in Co Wicklow, and almost always supply the 28A that this Leaf can take. This means that I now am quite relaxed about watching battery levels, because pretty much every trip that includes an hour's stop somewhere gives me the 30% top-up that you get in this car in an hour on a 32A post—this is a huge benefit, and I am sure MadLad would second that. The smaller, 3.3kW charger, would only get about 15% in an hour, which just happens to be half of what I would have needed. I suppose it all depends on your trip lengths and stop durations, but for us this has been an extremely important feature. Overall, this ability to rely on 32A posts in case I needed one means longer journey planning is easy. We often drive from Bray to Belfast, or back, with only one charge stop along the route, in Castlebellingham. Bear in mind, this is a 30 kWh Leaf, as that would not be possible in a 24 kWh one. Still, one year ago, we were more cautious, taking a second charge along that route.
Variety of cabling and charging systems is a nuisance, but we accept it as a price of being earlyish adopters. However, I cannot stress how pleasant it is to have a tethered cable, so that I do not have to faff with things when I plug in at night, especially in the rain. I would have hated having to plug the other end of a Type 2 cable, especially if I had to take it out of the boot etc. If you value comfort and convenience, go for the tethered option. You can always change the car end of that cable if you needed to switch from Type 1 (Leaf) to Type 2 (i3 etc) in the future. On the other hand, we have used the granny cable fewer than 12 times in the year, but we like to bring it on longer, or more remote trips for the peace of mind. It was useful, even though we could have planned that trip without it, when staying in a B&B in the Burren. It also seems to have blown the B&B fuses on both mornings we stayed there.
Having taken our Leaf to Edinburgh and back, and having circumnavigated the whole island of Ireland, including remote parts of Donegal, I have never yet been anything but amazed by how easy it all has been. Yes, it requires a little bit of planning, but we find that to be an enjoyable part of this new era in motoring.
I am a happy EV driver, and a pleased Leaf owner, one year on.
Rafals comments are a mirror on my own
I throughly agree the 6k6 kW charger is very useful , coupled with a 32A domestic evse , we have zero issues with that supply domestically , we don't even have a Flickr of lights when the car kicks in ( I suspect it has inrush control )
The 6k6 kW charger is great both domestically as our charge finishes in three hours , which is great as several times we charge again at home in day hours , simply because we need the car again that evening. We never freebie charge at our local FCP.
We use the granny cable every workday because an outdoor 13A plug is what's provided at work. While the car can technically do the round trip it gives great piece of mind and means also that when the car comes hone and I have to take it , it has usable km left.
The main disadvantage of the leaf is that it has to be driven very conceratively to extract good range ,typically at sub 100 kmph values. And even so extracting 150 km range is quite a challenge , personally assuming you want to have circa 20% left , it tends to deliver about 130km usable range ( mines the 30 kWh )
Even at that we have 51,000 km up after 1 year , which is the largest non business mileage we have ever done.
We actually need to use the diesel a bit more as it's sits forelormly in the drive and gets used just for the run to the shops for milk sort of thing
Completely reliable , not a fault in first 12months ( funny talking to two iconiq owners , both have had issues )
I think a conpetively priced leaf with about 250 of usable Km at 100 kmph would be the EV that would perpetually meet all out future demands. Hopefully by the end of the lease in 2019 , that will be the case. I see no requirement for greater range in a basic car. As I would prefer instead to see more variety of car rather then a simple quest to fill it with batteries.
Ps if you , like us are very frequent domestic chargers , a tetheted connection is an enormous boon, ( and a solar light over the EVSE ! ) especially in winter , no rummaging around in the boot for the type 2 cable ( and untangling it from the granny cable) , no coiling wet type 2 cables to put it in the boot
Note to cros, zero chafing after 12 month daily use0 -
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300km at 120km/h or more needs a 50-60kWh battery and very good aerodynamics (<0.25). The Tesla Model 3 will have both. The new Leaf will have neither...
You really dislike the Leaf or is it just a bit of Ioniq snobbery!
I thought an earlier post(from cros13 I think) about Leaf II "confirmed" that it would have an EPA of 330km which would satisfy the "drive Cork-Dublin with some to spare" requirement.
And on the aerodynamics... Nissan will have to address that. The Leaf was designed 10 years ago, the Ioniq came out a few months ago... so you can understand how the Ioniq beats it. I'd be amazed if Nissan dont improve on the aerodynamics. They simply have to or the billions they've poured in will be lost and I cant see them doing that.
So, I wouldnt write off the Leaf hitting both those targets, or at least close to it. However, the 60kWh version wont be <€30k.0 -
You really dislike the Leaf or is it just a bit of Ioniq snobbery!
I thought an earlier post(from cros13 I think) about Leaf II "confirmed" that it would have an EPA of 330km which would satisfy the "drive Cork-Dublin with some to spare" requirement.
And on the aerodynamics... Nissan will have to address that. The Leaf was designed 10 years ago, the Ioniq came out a few months ago... so you can understand how the Ioniq beats it. I'd be amazed if Nissan dont improve on the aerodynamics. They simply have to or the billions they've poured in will be lost and I cant see them doing that.
So, I wouldnt write off the Leaf hitting both those targets, or at least close to it. However, the 60kWh version wont be <€30k.
I dont think that Nissan will release a 60 Kwh version until the price point is maintainable. Nothing kills sales as a car that ends up outside its price point. Nissan does not have the brand kudos of BMW , or even VW, despite being as reliable ( in fact BMWs ICE can be notoriously problematic ) . Hence Nissan have to ensure that the price point is maintained
I suspect this is the primary reason driving the release of the 2018 model with a nominal 40 kWh ( the actually battery may be 44hWh) Nissan doesnt want to move to far from the price point
A Leaf style czr, retailing at 45K before subsidies simply isn't going to sell , irrespective of the battery size in my opinion0 -
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64404
You really dislike the Leaf or is it just a bit of Ioniq snobbery!
Nope, seriously considered buying a Leaf last year
I'm glad I didn't as for only a few grand more than the cheapest 24kWh Leaf, I'm now getting the Ioniq, which is by far the better carAnd on the aerodynamics... Nissan will have to address that. The Leaf was designed 10 years ago, the Ioniq came out a few months ago... so you can understand how the Ioniq beats it.
Nah, I'm not buying that. There were cars in the 1930s that had better aerodynamics than the Ioniq. Nissan obviously underestimated the impact of aerodynamics on range, particularly on real life range when the car is driven on motorways, and maybe they still do. Tesla never made that mistake (the 2012 Model S has a coefficient of drag of 0.24), and neither did Hyundai (Ioniq also has 0.24)My ads on adverts.ie
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