Biblical References by Prison Mods is insulting

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cdeb wrote: »

I like that still no-one is able to say why they find the Bible references insulting.

Is it that you should use the Bible regularly or never? And the former are complaining at the latter stepping out of line?

Genuinely - what's the actual problem here? It's been explained before that the quotes are being used as they were intended - guides to life, albeit a relatively trivial part of life in this instance.

Oh, it's not the use of references ; I would do so myself. It's the irreverent way in which they are used. They are not being used as genuine guides but as smart Alec replies. If you don't get that then they mean nothing to you and you just won't understand. Vague I know but I'm in a hurry.

jacksie66

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cdeb

Ronnie Tart Brake wrote: »

If you don't get that then they mean nothing to you and you just won't understand. Vague I know but I'm in a hurry.

It is vague alright - and wholly unsatisfactory. You either know, or you wouldn't understand.

But it seems the issue isn't really the use of quotes - it's the attitude towards the banned. But that's also been explained on this thread - and yet none of the objectors have challenged the reasons given (that I can see really)

So all I can see is people complaining for vague reasons and not addressing the replies they're being given other than to dismiss them as "You wouldn't understand anyway, and I don't have time to explain it to you)

I find your reply insulting, if I'm honest*.


* - Not really - but you can maybe see how you come across now

Orion

Ronnie Tart Brake wrote: »

Oh, it's not the use of references ; I would do so myself. It's the irreverent way in which they are used.

The bible is a book. Nothing more. Using quotes from a book is fine under any circumstances. Books are not held in reverence - ideas are. That the bible is full of ideas does not make it any more special than any other book.

Just remember - every book you've ever read is just a different combination of the same 26 letters.

Azalea

It's the fact that christianity is fair game for mockery which I find objectionable. There is no freedom of speech on Boards (or full stop - people can't actually publish or broadcast absolutely anything) so that isn't really relevant.

If people are practising christians and they find this insulting, that is how they feel - everyone has something they are sensitive about; let's not go down the sneering, hypocritical Stephen Fry route.

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cdeb wrote: »

It is vague alright - and wholly unsatisfactory. You either know, or you wouldn't understand.

But it seems the issue isn't really the use of quotes - it's the attitude towards the banned. But that's also been explained on this thread - and yet none of the objectors have challenged the reasons given (that I can see really)

So all I can see is people complaining for vague reasons and not addressing the replies they're being given other than to dismiss them as "You wouldn't understand anyway, and I don't have time to explain it to you)

I find your reply insulting, if I'm honest*.


* - Not really - but you can maybe see how you come across now

You're not being clear...whose attitude toward the banned?

I thought I made it crystal clear that it was the attitude of the people quoting verses which they in general have no regard for (some may have) that shows a disrespect for both the Book, its Author (God) and those of us who hold it to be the Word of God and not as some means to deride people.

It exemplifies the general attitude in sections of society who generalise and brand all Christians as Catholics and sex offenders by association and worthy of derision which has translated into a derision by these parties of God whether they believed in Him or not( they mostly don't).

Frank Grimes

jacksie66 wrote: »

All religion is fair game for ridicule in my opinion. Freedom of speech and all that..

Not exactly when it comes to religion, *points to the blasphemy law*.

K-9

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

You're not being clear...whose attitude toward the banned?

I thought I made it crystal clear that it was the attitude of the people quoting verses which they in general have no regard for (some may have) that shows a disrespect for both the Book, its Author (God) and those of us who hold it to be the Word of God and not as some means to deride people.

It exemplifies the general attitude in sections of society who generalise and brand all Christians as Catholics and sex offenders by association and worthy of derision which has translated into a derision by these parties of God whether they believed in Him or not( they mostly don't).

That's is quite a reach.

Fr_Dougal

Azalea wrote: »

It's the fact that christianity is fair game for mockery which I find objectionable. There is no freedom of speech on Boards (or full stop - people can't actually publish or broadcast absolutely anything) so that isn't really relevant.

If people are practising christians and they find this insulting, that is how they feel - everyone has something they are sensitive about; let's not go down the sneering, hypocritical Stephen Fry route.

I think you're missing the point here. Christianity was not being mocked, the bible was referenced. Big difference, the admins didn't use these references to p1ss off anyone.

Orion

Azalea wrote: »

If people are practising christians and they find this insulting, that is how they feel - everyone has something they are sensitive about; let's not go down the sneering, hypocritical Stephen Fry route.

I'll go down the Ricky Gervais route then:
"Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right."

Penny Tration

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

You're not being clear...whose attitude toward the banned?

I thought I made it crystal clear that it was the attitude of the people quoting verses which they in general have no regard for (some may have) that shows a disrespect for both the Book, its Author (God) and those of us who hold it to be the Word of God and not as some means to deride people.

It exemplifies the general attitude in sections of society who generalise and brand all Christians as Catholics and sex offenders by association and worthy of derision which has translated into a derision by these parties of God whether they believed in Him or not( they mostly don't).

Most people who believe Christianity or Catholicism to be worthy of derision aren't stupid enough to think all Catholics are paedophiles. Give people who dislike religion some credit.

Is the Bible not written by disciples and associates, rather than God?

Crann na Beatha

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cdeb

Was going to reply, but the posts between my last have done that for me already.

Orion

Penny Tration wrote: »

Most people who believe Christianity or Catholicism to be worthy of derision aren't stupid enough to think all Catholics are paedophiles. Give people who dislike religion some credit.

Is the Bible not written by disciples and associates, rather than God?

fwiw I'm totally equalitarian. I think all religions are equally ridiculous - I don't hold catholicism in any special regard. Equal rights for all*

And even Rome accepts that the bible was written by men not god.

*small american flags for others

Penny Tration

Orion wrote: »

fwiw I'm totally equalitarian. I think all religions are equally ridiculous - I don't hold catholicism in any special regard. Equal rights for all*

And even Rome accepts that the bible was written by men not god.

*small american flags for others

I don't believe in religion, but I respect the right to have a faith.

But yeah, the Bible most certainly wasn't written by god, as claimed by a member.

Tom Dunne

Azalea wrote: »

It's the fact that christianity is fair game for mockery which I find objectionable.

I find the Daily Star objectionable. I don't read it. Simples.

challengemaster

This just never stops being relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo

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Tom Dunne wrote: »

I find the Daily Star objectionable. I don't read it. Simples.

Let them use the Koran to make their point and you can show it to your work colleagues ( I assume you're still in a Muslim country) and let's know what they think.

Tom Dunne

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

I assume you're still in a Muslim country

You assume incorrectly.

My advice would be the same - do not read something you find objectionable.

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

'Do not read this sentence'

Orion

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

Let them use the Koran to make their point and you can show it to your work colleagues ( I assume you're still in a Muslim country) and let's know what they think.

Once again the islam argument. It is still wrong. It just happens that the admins used bible references as that is the religious book they are most familiar with. I referenced the Talmud earlier in this thread but you didn't jump on me for being anti-semetic. I think others referenced the Qu'ran but you conveniently ignored that too.

In fact the only thing noteworthy of this entire thread is that it's pages long and Godwin's law hasn't been invoked yet. I find that more surprising than people looking for offence and finding it.

MadDog76

Tom Dunne wrote: »

You assume incorrectly.

My advice would be the same - do not read something you find objectionable.

How would you know if you found something objectionable or not until you read it first?

aaronjumper

MadDog76 wrote: »

How would you know if you found something objectionable or not until you read it first?

I think this getting offended at biblical references is a bit silly but that is just my opinion.

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Orion wrote: »

Once again the islam argument. It is still wrong. It just happens that the admins used bible references as that is the religious book they are most familiar with. I referenced the Talmud earlier in this thread but you didn't jump on me for being anti-semetic. I think others referenced the Qu'ran but you conveniently ignored that too.

In fact the only thing noteworthy of this entire thread is that it's pages long and Godwin's law hasn't been invoked yet. I find that more surprising than people looking for offence and finding it.

I never noticed them. I'm on my phone most of the time and don't see all posts in my email feed.
I'd find the use of any religious book equally objectionable as its the motive behind the use of references rather than the words themselves but you've ignored my saying that several times in this thread( though you may have just missed it)

It seems its fine to ridicule religion but God(FSM or other word) help anyone who would take offence at the ridicule and make rebut it..how dare they be offended !

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aaronjumper wrote: »

I think this getting offended at biblical references is a bit silly but that is just my opinion.

As I've said, its not the use of the verses but the manner in which they were used and the motives behind their use..but let's ignore that point and continue with the sillyness.

The Hill Billy

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

As I've said, its not the use of the verses but the manner in which they were used and the motives behind their use..but let's ignore that point and continue with the sillyness.

I have commented on my actions, as have other, in an effort to clarify matters. What still causes an issue for you, or is it a case that you will remain offended regardless?

Taltos

Tom Dunne wrote: »

You assume incorrectly.

My advice would be the same - do not read something you find objectionable.

MadDog76 wrote: »

How would you know if you found something objectionable or not until you read it first?

You are on an Irish forum, in an increasing secular Ireland. Keeping in mind that many Irish are known for their sarcasm as well as self effacing humour it does not take a rocket scientest to suggest that when posted outside of their forums marked for their use religion is fair game and if you are religious and are so inclined you may well be offended by some of what you read.
That doesn't mean you are wrong to be offended, but rather than launching a thread like this it's time to ask if it's right you are offended and if it is if this site then is really the best place for you to hang out.

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

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It seems its fine to ridicule religion but God(FSM or other word) help anyone who would take offence at the ridicule and make rebut it..how dare they be offended !

How many times do we have to retread this with you and others. Using scripture or quotes from a religious book is not ridiculing the religion, it is ridiculing those the posts are targetted towards. Just like an apple falling from a tree onto Newton's head does not indicate a stupid apple for falling, rather a stupid Newton for choosing to sit where a reasonable person would expect to be the recipient of falling fruit.

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

As I've said, its not the use of the verses but the manner in which they were used and the motives behind their use..but let's ignore that point and continue with the sillyness.

Well I for one am done with this nonsense and already have my close thread selection highlighted. I don't have a nice way of saying this but this whole thread is the sort of nonsense I'd expect to see elsewhere, but not here on boards.

I get you're offended. But instead of looking to blame the prison threads and the posts there maybe you need to spend a bit more time investigating internally why anonymous admin using scripture offends you. For all you know some of those using the quotes may themselves be very deeply religious.

aaronjumper

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

As I've said, its not the use of the verses but the manner in which they were used and the motives behind their use..but let's ignore that point and continue with the sillyness.

That is neither here nor there, you still found their use offensive.

athtrasna

MadDog76 wrote: »

How would you know if you found something objectionable or not until you read it first?

That's the justification for the Vatican having the world's largest pornographic library

MadDog76

Taltos wrote: »

You are on an Irish forum, in an increasing secular Ireland. Keeping in mind that many Irish are known for their sarcasm as well as self effacing humour it does not take a rocket scientest to suggest that when posted outside of their forums marked for their use religion is fair game and if you are religious and are so inclined you may well be offended by some of what you read.
That doesn't mean you are wrong to be offended, but rather than launching a thread like this it's time to ask if it's right you are offended and if it is if this site then is really the best place for you to hang out.

I am in no way religious whatsoever and, just to clarify as you quoted me in your post, I am not the least bit offended by Biblical references made by Mods, Admins or anybody else for that matter.