Biblical References by Prison Mods is insulting

MadDog76

athtrasna wrote: »

That's the justification for the Vatican having the world's largest pornographic library

Who has the key!?!!

GLaDOS

MadDog76 wrote: »

Who has the key!?!!

Take a look at the papal insignia



Coincidence?

Azalea

Very poor rebuttals really. The "Don't like it, don't read it" thing could be said about absolutely anything. That doesn't mean people won't express their views on it. It's one of those dismissive "shutting down discussion" nuggets.

And wow, a quote from Ricky "I have to let people know constantly that I'm an atheist, like a teenager does" Gervais (I see it's the second time that quote has been used by the same poster too - it's not that great a quote IMO). I don't disagree with him btw, but I can't see what it changes - having an opinion that he doesn't believe is right, doesn't mean he can order people to stop expressing it. Isn't that called freedom of expression?

Some hypocrisy from "liberals" here. I don't practise or believe either, but the ridiculing of religious people here and referring to their concerns as "nonsense" (how liberal and tolerant ) and effectively telling them maybe they should go somewhere else, is quite disappointing really, just because they don't want to admit that there are flaws with the Prison forum (a lot of the time it's a grand place but occasionally the piss-taking doesn't seem necessary).

MadDog76

Azalea wrote: »

Very poor rebuttals really. The "Don't like it, don't read it" thing could be said about absolutely anything. That doesn't mean people won't express their views on it. It's one of those dismissive "shutting down discussion" nuggets.

And wow, a quote from Ricky "I have to let people know constantly that I'm an atheist, like a teenager does" Gervais. I don't disagree with him btw, but I can't see what it changes - having an opinion that he doesn't believe is right, doesn't mean he can order people to stop expressing it. Isn't that called freedom of expression?

Some hypocrisy from "liberals" here. I don't practise or believe either, but the ridiculing of religious people here and referring to their concerns as "nonsense" (how liberal and tolerant :rolleyes:) is quite disappointing really, just because they don't want to admit that there are flaws with the Prison forum (a lot of the time it's a grand place but occasionally the piss-taking doesn't seem necessary).

Amen to that ........ what "offends" (for lack of a better word) me about the Prison Forum is the unnecessarily childishness vaguely (and badly) disguised as "humour" thrown around ........ and, embarrassingly, it's the Mods/Admins (not the Trolls) actually doing it!??!!!

The Black Oil

Rhys Icy Putter wrote: »

We had a thread confirming the narrative (linked in my op) so how am I wrong?

The thread you linked to referenced issues within the Islam forum itself. A&A and Christianity have resulted in Feedback threads in times past, wherein the mechanics/issues of forums were put under the spotlight. Where problems are identified they may be acted on. Any wider suggestion that Islam as a faith gets treated lightly (protected status, to borrow your words) on boards as a whole is without merit, imo. I don't know why the pattern of using biblical references in Prison started. Admins are more privy to the posting behaviours of users to test the boundaries to excess. Might be just their way of blowing off steam/throwing down memes.

Mr E

Is this thread still going? Jesus Christ...

(Cue second thread about blasphemy in Feedback forum)

Azalea

Would it be possible even just to stand in the shoes of the people who object to the posts in question? Even just to say "Sorry you feel that way but..." rather than continuing to prove their point?

Someone said the Islam/Judaism analogy is weak - it's not though... unless there will be such verses from the Koran/Tora. It's not the mockery of religion IMO as I'm not religious and I too don't have an issue with religions being lampooned - it's the double standard, and the dismissive behaviour towards the OP by people who are so liberal about anything else.

Peregrine

I'm more offended by cruel and unjust treatment of Santa Claus

The Randy Riverbeast

Mr E wrote: »

Is this thread still going? Jesus Christ...

(Cue second thread about blasphemy in Feedback forum)

Before someone complains, Muhammad, Buddah and Krusty the Clown.

There we go, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists can all be offended equally.

RadiationKing

Azalea wrote: »

Would it be possible even just to stand in the shoes of the people who object to the posts in question? Even just to say "Sorry you feel that way but..." rather than continuing to prove their point?

Someone said the Islam/Judaism analogy is weak - it's not though... unless there will be such verses from the Koran/Tora. It's not the mockery of religion IMO as I'm not religious and I too don't have an issue with religions being lampooned - it's the double standard, and the dismissive behaviour towards the OP by people who are so liberal about anything else.

Well yes, you can say it's a double standard but that's because Christianity has a different position, culturally, here in the West. It's deeply, deeply routed in the cultures of numerous Western nations, and has influenced our histories and politics. It has long been intertwined with governments and even when that wasn't overt, it still enjoyed a position of authority in society.

Even if you're not a Christian, if you live in a Western country then chances are your life will be, to some extent, affected by Christianity.

Islam and Judaism aren't mocked because they don't have the same context (and if we expand that beyond the Abrahamic faiths, because people are largely ignorant of them). That's what the people moaning about them don't seem to realise and it's why the analogy is weak.

I mean, how many of the people talking about Islam even know anything from the Quran which could be used (or are even familiar with the text itself at all) in the same way as Bible verses?

Ken.

As Dara says

Warning:contains swearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACssKcxWLw

K-9

Azalea wrote: »

Would it be possible even just to stand in the shoes of the people who object to the posts in question? Even just to say "Sorry you feel that way but..." rather than continuing to prove their point?

Someone said the Islam/Judaism analogy is weak - it's not though... unless there will be such verses from the Koran/Tora. It's not the mockery of religion IMO as I'm not religious and I too don't have an issue with religions being lampooned - it's the double standard, and the dismissive behaviour towards the OP by people who are so liberal about anything else.

The OP had the usual persecution complex about Catholicism, with the usual thinly veiled dig at Islam.

If they were consistent, they, or indeed you, wouldn't mention Islam.

It's clear to any rational person why Bible quotes would be used in an Irish website. Using Islam as an example is just fuel for the persecution complex, an extra chip to put on the shoulder.

And we still haven't got a reasoned reply as to why people are offended. Being deeply religious and feeling offense isn't enough.

The Sun King

Could someone please insult my faith a little more please. I'm offended that my belief in the Guinea Pig God isn't being included on the "why don't you insult...too" list.

xband

This is why we need a secular prison service! Keep everyone happy!

feargale

K-9 wrote: »

The OP had the usual persecution complex about Catholicism, with the usual thinly veiled dig at Islam.

If they were consistent, they, or indeed you, wouldn't mention Islam.

It's clear to any rational person why Bible quotes would be used in an Irish website. Using Islam as an example is just fuel for the persecution complex, an extra chip to put on the shoulder.

And we still haven't got a reasoned reply as to why people are offended. Being deeply religious and feeling offense isn't enough.

I think you should forget why people are offended. The fact is that they are. I'm non-religious but I believe in fairness. You should either allow all beliefs to be offended or none. And, in my experience, OP is spot on in implying that anything goes where insulting Christianity is concerned while Islam is treated in an extremely precious way, and A&A almost equally so. And as for the feminist issue, Sweet Jesus! I recall a thread in the Gentleman's Club which had hardly progressed to three posts before a mod warning that no disrespect of feminism would be tolerated. The "Republican" stance is anathema to me, but I also detect a mod bias against them. In one instance recently one of them got a mod warning for being sarcastic. His crime? He posted a rolleyes!!! It would be more honest to ban particular viewpoints, full stop.
I sometimes wonder if there are some mods whose experience of exercising authority has never reached as far as being a corporal in the FCA. A few don't seem to understand the need for evenhandedness and the exercise of that little bit of power in a respectful way. After all, their clashes with users constitute an uneven contest. In fairness, not by any means all mods act the twit. I had a very vigorous argument with capailldorcha one night and in fairness to him he never pulled rank. One appreciates that there must be boundaries. I recall the days when there was little in the net other than chatlines, where, in the absence of control there was total chaos caused by immature assoles acting the dick. More importantly, it is understood that Boards must guard against defamation, and other contributions windward of the law. But a number of mods go too far, and much of the problem seems to arise when mods take a partisan position in a discussion and don't like somebody's views, particularly if those views are very capably argued. How appropriate is it anyway for the referee to take a player's part in the game?
You can argue against this in the same way some of you have argued against OP, and your eloquent contributions may be worthy of the gold medal at the Trinity Philosophical Society. How much will they contribute to what should be the object of these threads, namely to seek and follow the truth wherever it lies?

K-9

Just posting a roll eyes smilie and nothing else would be swiftly deleted in politics, no matter your politics. Repeatedly doing it would end up in a ban.

Basically politics are biased against Republicans who post smilies,if you want to believe that. Obviously, that isn't the case, we just hate smilie only posts.

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K-9 wrote: »

The OP had the usual persecution complex about Catholicism, with the usual thinly veiled dig at Islam

I'm not Catholic so don't feel persecuted in the slightest in that regard.

As for chips on shoulders. Its much easier eating them off a plate or in a bag. I tend to avoid those on shoulders.

Tom Dunne

Deleted User wrote: »

The way I see it is no matter what you say or do, somebody will get offended.

I think this sums up my feelings on the matter. We, as Admins, can pussyfoot around, use vague, non-committal, middle-of-the-road, customer-service speak with everyone to ensure that the customer poster is right and nobody gets offended.

Well bollocks to that, I say.

Yes, there is a common narrative on this site, a narrative that knows where the line is, does not actively seek to offend, but enjoys a bit of light-hearted banter, sometimes verging on the risque. A narrative that shifts between the very specific to the very broad, relishing in the diverse range of opinions, operating within boundaries of common decency.

If you find yourself getting offended by posts on this site, we have a reasonably robust and transparent dispute resolution process. It's not perfect, but then neither is life. Despite what you may think, we are all human after all.

And if you find yourself being a paid up member of the "I've a right to be offended" brigade, well then perhaps this site is not for you. Do us all a favour and find yourself a corner of the internet where you can express your abhorrence at Boards.ie''s lack of moral compass. Because to be honest, the more you complain, the more you snipe, the more veiled digs you get in at your fellow posters, Mods, Cmods and Admins, the less interest I have in your opinion.

Azalea

That Stephen Fry thing about offence yet again?! I see more of that being said than actual offence being taken/looked for, particularly this last year.

Why do I see people throughout this thread using it and thanking it who'd normally be on the receiving end of the very same rhetoric from people on the right in discussions about e.g. sexuality, transgender or Islam?

Because Christianity is ok to belittle, it's not a concern for liberals (and I say that as an atheist and a liberal) - that's why.

Effectively telling people who have expressed concern with one thing to go to another site (and being quite derogatory towards them) - wow.

Saipanne

Boards.ie loves Islam and loaths Christianity. That would be my reading of it.

fran17

Azalea wrote: »

That Stephen Fry thing about offence yet again?! I see more of that being said than actual offence being taken/looked for, particularly this last year.

Why do I see people throughout this thread using it and thanking it who'd normally be on the receiving end of the very same rhetoric from people on the right in discussions about e.g. sexuality, transgender or Islam?

Because Christianity is ok to belittle, it's not a concern for liberals (and I say that as an atheist and a liberal) - that's why.

Effectively telling people who have expressed concern with one thing to go to another site (and being quite derogatory towards them) - wow.

Yes,precisely.This is what I think makes administrations uber cool "bollocks to that" talk all the more redundant.If that was the true approach of this forum then no subject would have the protected status that the ones you highlighted,and more,enjoy.
And yeah,to hear the administration say directly,in no uncertain terms,that if you have an issue with the forum and wish to discuss it in feedback then you should go to some corner and not highlight it,well that is quite saddening.And to have the audacity as to say that the more one highlights an inequality in the forum the less you'll be listened too is an outrage,just an outrage.

Tom Dunne

fran17 wrote: »

And to have the audacity as to say that the more one highlights an inequality in the forum the less you'll be listened too is an outrage,just an outrage.

Thanks for making my day.

And at the risk of offending those that do not follow the lunar calendar (yes, I'm talking to you, Muslims), I wish you all a Happy New Year.