A "new" thriving party in France

Trompette

Hi there,

If you want to know what more and more French citizens are thinking about French state and politics, please read this article (in English)

http://notre-epoque.fr/union-populaire-republicaine-the-party-that-wants-to-re-establish-the-sovereignty-of-france/

Today the UPR party has 10022 members (22 Dec 2015 11:00) but was growing up of 25-35 new the last 2 months, along the regional campaign election.

If you read French, you should look at
https://www.upr.fr/
or
https://www.facebook.com/upr.francoisasselineau

If you are interested by more info, let me know.

Have a good day

Inquitus

Trompette wrote: »

Hi there,

If you want to know what more and more French citizens are thinking about French state and politics, please read this article (in English)

http://notre-epoque.fr/union-populaire-republicaine-the-party-that-wants-to-re-establish-the-sovereignty-of-france/

Today the UPR party has 10022 members (22 Dec 2015 11:00) but was growing up of 25-35 new the last 2 months, along the regional campaign election.

If you read French, you should look at
https://www.upr.fr/
or
https://www.facebook.com/upr.francoisasselineau

If you are interested by more info, let me know.

Have a good day

Formed in 2007 and has 10,000 members, not what I would call thriving myself. 17m votes would win a presidential election, at this rate of thriving (35 members a month) we can expect our first UPR president in about 40,000 years.

Trompette

Thank you Inquitus for you answer.
You can guess, I don't master English language. Maybe “thriving” is not the correct word in this case. I am sure I do a lot of mistake in my writing, so forgive me.
However the objective is to encourage Irish people to read the article and thing about their own lifestyle.

Regarding your maths, I am sorry to tell you this is absolutely wrong maybe due to my bad writing. There are 25-35 new members by day:
You consider the raising linear, but it is almost exponential, see here
http://www.upr.fr/wp-content/uploads/adherents-upr-2014.jpg
We can add around 10100 members end of 2015 then estimate at 15000-17000 end 2016, 22000-25000 end 2017.
There is a acceleration for le last 3 months, due to the regional elections and some shows and articles in small local media.
UPR president estimates that only 2-3% of the total French population know UPR due to the lack of exposure. At the last election, UPR got approximately 1% of voters.
Let say UPR is know by 3% of French people and get 1% of votes. When UPR will be known by 90% (x30) of the population, it will get 30% of votes. UPR will be amongst the first political parties.

However I am not happy with these answers. Members amount is only a result of number of other parameters:
- Like all parties, Ministere de l'intérieur (Home Office) sorts the parties from extreme left to extreme right and if there is no sense for that (i.e.: Pirate party), as divers. UPR is divers, that means not at left, not at right, not extremes. You can read in the article that “UPR members coming from extremely diverse political sensibilities.” This is a strength, I know people who will never vote for another political side but could consider to vote to divers.
- The most important is that ALL EU countries have lost there sovereignty and ALL the main laws come from Brussels. For example, around 80% of EU citizen forbid GMO. Even EU parliament says NO to GMO, but Commission says YES and ALL the EU countries will have or now have GMO. Do you like that?

Do you know TAFTA? Do you agree with that? I'd guess no because nobody knows what is inside. Don't worry we will have it, willingly or not.
This is why ALL EU citizen in every country should vote to leave EU, even if they get some money from other countries (Germany and France mainly).

There are numerous of reasons you can read in the article.

“There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties”
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker 2015
You know this guy, JC Juncker, the president of EU, not elected!
Do you understand what that means?: Your vote is bull****.

I have one question:
Do you know Irish parties or group that want to leave EU? Please let me know.

CelticRambler

Selon ce que j'ai lu sur le site, UPR = FN "light" (or UKIP pour les nuls français) ... all the usual "France for the French" misguided anti-EU rhetoric, under the banner of a predictably dreary name.

How is it that une union is good for you, but not for the rest of us? Républicaine? And how is your Union Républicaine different from "Les Républicaines" or the barrage républicain that was hastily built to keep the FN at bay? I've lived here twelve years and struggle to find anyone who knows what a republic really is - or cares. France may have had a revolution, but the monarchy lives on, with the two disputing royal houses of Orléans and Bourgogne replaced by "la droite et la gauche" - neither of which is ready to let the people decide who should lead them.

The sad thing is, the people don't really care and the country's becoming a socio-economic basket case while the Enarques play at being politicians.

Trompette

CelticRambler wrote: »

Selon ce que j'ai lu sur le site, UPR = FN "light" (or UKIP pour les nuls français) ... all the usual "France for the French" misguided anti-EU rhetoric, under the banner of a predictably dreary name.

Which site, where did you read that? Not in UPR site!
Could you explain why "The left-right neutrality of the UPR was even officially acknowledged by the Ministry of Interior, as they classified the UPR in the category ‘Divers,’ i.e. neither left- nor right-wing" and why FN is categorised right by the same Ministry?
Where did you read "France for the French"? Not in the UPR site! In FN site, yes?

What you have read is propaganda against UPR from pro-EU. Why?

First: FN is known to be racist, homophobia, etc. (I can provide lot of newspaper articles on request), so French people (minus 14% of total registered people in voting list who vote for FN) hate this party. FN don't want to leave EU (see previous my post) but journalists always say on purpose FN want.

Second: UPR is only known by about 3-4% of French people. This party explains why France should leave EU. UPR president Francois Asselineau gives lot of lectures with proof (documents, photos, video) and more and more citizen understand. Main parties are afraid of UPR and try to keep it hidden. UPR arguments and proofs are so documented, strong and difficult to impede that opponent can't find argument.

Conclusion: The easier way to counter UPR is to demonise it, so saying this is the same as FN, it want to leave EU.
Some publicist shows it as "conspiracy theorist". This is the last thing they say when
they don't have any argument. This is a kind of Godwin's law (point Golwin), this stops any reasoning.

You wrote "misguided anti-EU rhetoric" so you are pro-EU.
Can you tell what is positive for France state and citizen since in EU?
If you tell, I'll tell what is negative for France and Ireland.

CelticRambler

Trompette wrote: »

You wrote "misguided anti-EU rhetoric" so you are pro-EU.

Yes, 100%.

Trompette wrote: »

Can you tell what is positive for France state and citizen since in EU?

You mean apart from the millions and millions of EU subsidies that support French agriculture? Or the millions and millions of Euros handed out to French regional projects?

Trompette wrote: »

Which site, where did you read that? Not in UPR site!

Euuuuhhhh, oui! On the site that you linked to. First two policy headlines: leave the Euro, leave the EU. That puts the UPR in the same camp as the FN, UKIP, BNP and all the other "feck off and leave us alone" parties.

As it is, France is riven with its own internal divisions - that "coup d'état" in Corsica last week was a perfect example; the Breton farmers dictating vehicle taxation is another - so the average M. Untel is hardly in a position to judge the effect being part of the EU.

Those of us with a more multi-national perspective can see that the majority of France's problems are caused by the French, not the foreigners. In fact, INSEE statistics (if you think you can trust government figures) show that we immigrants contribute, per capita, at least twice as much to the French economy as the natives.

But it's Christmas, and I'm in no mood to talk politics, so maybe we can continue this discussion in the New Year ...

Trompette

Thanks CelticRambler stay tuned, I'll answer after New Year.

Really you need to read more information.

Have a good Christmas and New Year time.

Trompette

First, all my best wishes for the new year for you and all the readers.


If you agree to follow this thread and post your mind, I think you will learn lot of very interesting things with the official links I will provide.

CelticRambler wrote: »

Yes, 100%.
You mean apart from the millions and millions of EU subsidies that support French agriculture? Or the millions and millions of Euros handed out to French regional projects?

Imagine the following storyline:
- At regular due date, you have to give me €100 and a wide smile
- Later I will give you €45 of MY money that you will have to use only to buy your food. It will be appreciated if you say “Thank you” to me.
- Later I will give you €30 of MY money that you will have to use only to pay you bills. It will be appreciated if you say “Thank you” to me.
- Total of MY money I will give you will be around €65, 65% of your contribution.
- A large part of the rest of MY money will be for my own usage.
- Before the next due date, you will have to provide a budget. I will approve it or not. If I don't approve it, you will have to modify regarding my directives.
- From now and for the next budgets, you will have to reduce your health expenses for 25%. If you don't do, you will have to pay fees.
- Don't hesitate to tell your neighbourhood I am a good budget manager and they should hire me.


You understand that in this storyline you are French state, I am EU institutions and your neighbourhood are the countries outside of EU.
And you are laughing because you think this is not the way it happen. Really!?


So look at this page
http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm
This page is reliable, is not it?
In this page, change the left drop-list from expenditure (what each country pay to institutions) to revenue (what each country receive) and the easier to understand, balance.
These figures change every year. Roughly French State pays an amount of 20-24 billions and get an amount of 6-8 billions every years. As seen in the balance chart more than 7 billions in 2014 are lost for French people, between 7 and 9 every years.
Ireland made a profit of 38 billions in 2014.


BTW look at the balance chart, Luxembourg (LU) country. Everyone knows this is a very poor country that need to be sustain. Now compare with Ireland (IE).
Now I do some maths. How much by citizen?
Luxembourg balance is +80.1 millions for 562958 residents (wikipedia estimation 2015) so 80.1/562958 = €142.2
Ireland balance is 38.8 millions for 6378000 residents (wikipedia 2011) so 38.8/6378000 = €6.1
Conclusion:
Luxembourg made a profit of €142 per resident because this is a very poor country and need a lot of invest and development,
Ireland made a profit of only €6 per resident because it's a very wealthy country without any job seekers, very good infrastructure, hospitals, social welfare, etc.
Have you ever been in Luxembourg?


Did you really think the EU founds were made from nothing (ex nihilo)?
Don't worry if you didn't know the above, this is on purpose. Pro-EU will never explain that, they will let you bellive that this money is from EU institutions and due to all the mainstream media are pro-EU, so nobody will tell you.


And my storyline is true for the amount allocated to each economic department (countries can't choose what economic area to help), for the budget that should be approved, for the directives that French government have to follow.
Outside of EU, French state could have the same amount allocated to French agriculture and regional projects and have €7 billions more in the budget,


So, suppose France leaves EU, government can pay French agriculture, French regional projects as previously and have a excess of around 7 to 9 billions every years, to have better health protection, hostipals, public apartments, etc, what UPR proposes in its manifesto.
But there are lot of other reasons to leave EU.

I hope you understand a bit more what French citizen who know how it's working are thinking.


It is enough for today, I think you need some time to feel the effect of this information.

Carlos Orange

Inquitus wrote: »

Formed in 2007 and has 10,000 members, not what I would call thriving myself. 17m votes would win a presidential election, at this rate of thriving (35 members a month) we can expect our first UPR president in about 40,000 years.

I think you have confused party membership with votes. The Socialist party has a party membership of about 60,000. Parties in European countries do not have millions of members.

Trompette

Hi,

I want to add a new article in English with a poll in EU countries. You could have a look on the link "A – 01Gallup-Euro" inside the article, there are more questions/answers.
http://russeurope.hypotheses.org/4637

And more articles by clicking on the "In English" link on the right hand.

Enjoy.

Trompette

Do you know Mervyn King?
Have a look at he biography at the end of the following link. Do you think his opinion is valuable?
So read the article and the extract of his book from The Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/28/mervyn-king-the-eurozone-is-doomed/
One more amongst economists, Noble prized, bankers, etc... who want to leave Euro (best option) and say it will died anyway (worst option).

Trompette

Once again, why main EU countries should leave:

The European Commission launches investigation
Ariane 6 plan comes under anti-competition scrutiny

In French
Le scandale européen passé inaperçu

Please note that the paper, Le Figaro is pro-EU.
They wrote:
Airbus et Ariane doivent rester des associations entre Etats souverains, des alliances au cas par cas en fonction des intérêts communs de tel ou tel pays, sans aucun droit de regard de la Commission européenne. Airbus et Ariane sont la démonstration que l'Europe qui réussit est l'Europe des patries chère au Général de Gaulle, l'Europe libérée des technocrates, l'Europe lucide qui raisonne en fonction de ses intérêts plutôt que des idéologies ou des dogmes.
Translation:
Airbus and Ariane must remain associations between sovereign states, alliances case by case based on common interests of any country, without no oversight from the European Commission. Airbus and Ariane are proof that Europe is successful Europe of homelands dear to General de Gaulle, liberated Europe of technocrats, lucid Europe who reasons according to their interests rather than ideologies or dogmas.

and I repeat Le Figaro is pro-EU... what should think anti-EU people?

Trompette

If you want to know more UPR with recent data, in English

https://www.upr.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/UPR-press-release-1.pdf

Enjoy

Trompette

A Dangerous Woman-Segolene Royal French Minister for Energy

Please have a look on these links to know who are the people in the French government.
With English comments
First part
Second part
Third part

If you want a French comment from the only politic fighting against all other to get French democracy back (text in French, use automatic translation)
Here Francois Asselineau - UPR