Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

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kstand

I can see the fans getting a lot more militant - maybe not entirely towards LVG either. And no harm.

DM_7

I don't think I want to watch the game on Friday

homerjay2005

kstand wrote: »

I can see the fans getting a lot more militant - maybe not entirely towards LVG either. And no harm.

its time the fans started a revolt against Woodward and stopped being bought over so easily by him.

Maximus Alexander

DM_7 wrote: »

I don't think I want to watch the game on Friday

I often have to shuffle plans around or decline invitations to things to make sure I don't miss a United match and, I have to be honest, I'm losing the will now. I can only imagine how season ticket holders must feel.

So boring. I've dozed off a couple of times watching United in recent weeks. Literally fell asleep. It's kind of like having to watch reruns of a movie that you didn't even like the first time.

Ah lads its friday night football such a rare thing, go to the pub and if in most likelyhood its ****e get pissed

homerjay2005

Nalz wrote: »

why?

sponsorship?

yep, all about the $. i wonder how long will it be until the Glazers sell the naming rights to Old Trafford?

they have denied it about 5 times already, but if the right offer came in, they would crack i reckon and there is not many growth opportunities left in terms of squeezing money out of companies.

StringerBell

kstand

homerjay2005 wrote: »

yep, all about the $. i wonder how long will it be until the Glazers sell the naming rights to Old Trafford?

they have denied it about 5 times already, but if the right offer came in, they would crack i reckon and there is not many growth opportunities left in terms of squeezing money out of companies.

There wont be any companies left interested in doing business or becoming partners with the way things are going. Then the ground will change name to the McDonalds Arena or something. The team will get releagted, the club will be saddled with huge debt and the Glazers will scarper.

Trigger

There is Hyperbole, then there is Kstand

Pro. F

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I meant his tactics and philosophy are old and past it... I stated that and you came back looking for something to stir it.

Yes, because as I said, your actions contradicted your words.

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I'll do what I want pro f good lad... Considering we have to read your daily arguing here and a lot of the time it seems like arguing not debate. Hop off that high horse.

Now if you have an issue with what I say you have three options

Pm me
Report post
Block me

Your choice

BTW no offence meant but I have more important things to do than spend my night off arguing on boards.

Fourth option: respond on the thread

I'll stick to the discussions on the the discussion forum thanks.

RobertKK

5starpool wrote: »

Article on the Guardian saying that the majority of Utd fans would be delighted if Giggs/G Neville were to be appointed as Utd manager. I suspect the article writer needs to consult with some actual utd fans as that is a ridiculous assertion.

Must be a ABU.

I mean Gary Neville who has not won one game yet as Valencia manager and that after 7 games.
Giggs who only managed 4 games and not much difference from Moyes in term of results.

Then you get idiots who think because Pep did it at Barcelona, it means Giggs can at United -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3417178/Ryan-Giggs-Manchester-United-s-Pep-Guardiola-knows-club-better-values-attacking-football.html?ITO=1490

Pro. F

homerjay2005 wrote: »

internal politics is the problem here and a lack of balls from Woodward. here is how i see it -

Woodward doesnt want Giggs as this is giving power back to Fergie and his" boys". or he just doesnt think Giggs is the right man, he would be correct on that.

the rest of them are opposed to Jose. nobody else is available.

the end result, is 3 months of dithering and s*ite results or "turmoil" as its being called and Woodward basically not having the balls to make a decision.

Couldn't it just be that they are all opposed to Giggs and that they are all opposed to Mourinho? Why the assumption that there is an internal political struggle going on? Where's the evidence for that?

TheDoc

5starpool wrote: »

Article on the Guardian saying that the majority of Utd fans would be delighted if Giggs/G Neville were to be appointed as Utd manager. I suspect the article writer needs to consult with some actual utd fans as that is a ridiculous assertion.

sunday Supplement guests have made that lazy assumption also over the last while, constantly referencing to the like 3-4 people they've spoke to as "majority" or "most".

I'd hazard a spurious guess that most United fans would be extremely concerned with Giggs, and would only accept it as a last resort

TheDoc

Pro. F wrote: »

Couldn't it just be that they are all opposed to Giggs and that they are all opposed to Mourinho? Why the assumption that there is an internal political struggle going on? Where's the evidence for that?

Really don't want to open an onslaught from you, but if we required evidence for every feeling someone had, we would onyl ever discuss the scoreline, who played the match, and basic facts about a match.

There is rarely to never actual evidence of truthful information, openly available for many of the issues with a football club, that create the passionate debate fans have. But some reasonable theories can be drawn, from just what you see.

There seems to be widespread acceptance that this type of football, is what Van Gaal is coaching the players, and likes. Contrary to the evidence(evidence being past styles, player testament, managers own quotes) Personally, I don't believe what we see, is what Van Gaal wants and plans, but I accept he hasn't been able to improve it or change it.

Just as there is no evidence to support a theory that there is massive issues at executive level, and I'm not sure if I'm convinced by it, it is something I'd consider plausible, and something I do think about myself time to time, and moreso recently.

Mitch Connor

TheDoc wrote: »

sunday Supplement guests have made that lazy assumption also over the last while, constantly referencing to the like 3-4 people they've spoke to as "majority" or "most".

I'd hazard a spurious guess that most United fans would be extremely concerned with Giggs, and would only accept it as a last resort

i'd get 100% behind him and be excited to see what United would look like under him - but there would be a load of other managers I would like to see come in before him.

I think United would look to play fast attacking football under Giggs, which would be great to see - but it could also turn out his tactics become to basic and easy to counter. Who knows.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think United would look to play fast attacking football under Giggs, which would be great to see - but it could also turn out his tactics become to basic and easy to counter. Who knows.

He has been a first team coach at the club for a few years now, either he is complicit in the style and tactics currently attempted at the club or he has been sitting quietly and doing nothing for 3 years. Neither fills me with confidence.

He can't have it both ways. If behind the scenes he has been displaying his aptitude for coaching and management then he must be active and be influencing our current first team. If he hasn't been influential behind the scenes then he hasn't been giving the club/board any reason to consider him a candidate for the managers job. Pick one, it can't be both.

Strumms

Giggs is part of this managment team and is therefore partly to blame for what is transpiring on the pitch. Unless he is just in a variation of work experience ? Has he any influence on LVG ? He should have some sway knowing the players or the majority of them for a long time and having played with them and in the EPL for so many years.. This going tits up does reflect on him also in my view in a poor light.

Mitch Connor

bucketybuck wrote: »

He has been a first team coach at the club for a few years now, either he is complicit in the style and tactics currently attempted at the club or he has been sitting quietly and doing nothing for 3 years. Neither fills me with confidence.

He can't have it both ways. If behind the scenes he has been displaying his aptitude for coaching and management then he must be active and be influencing our current first team. If he hasn't been influential behind the scenes then he hasn't been giving the club/board any reason to consider him a candidate for the managers job. Pick one, it can't be both.

Nah, can't agree with that.

He wil have been tasked with jobs by the manager - whichever - and he will carry those tasks out. He can offer a style of play; he can offer opinions on how he wants us to play but if Moyes or LVG want to play a different style; the style we have played, then that is the style we will play. regardless of what Giggs, any of the coaches or any of the players want.

Would be similar to saying we should get rid of all the players cause this is the play they are playing, and if they wanted to play differently they would be.

The manager picks the style. Not the assistant.

Lukekul

It's taken a turn for the weird but Jose still keeping 50 - 54%

Maximus Alexander

I'm just glad that everyone has capitalised their proper nouns.

homerjay2005

If stoke play like this next Tuesday, we are in a spot of bother.

TitianGerm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

If stoke play like this next Tuesday, we are in a spot of bother.

Nah you's can defend !!

Lord TSC

homerjay2005 wrote: »

If stoke play like this next Tuesday, we are in a spot of bother.

Considering they whooped us once this season, think they will probably do it again easily enough...

jayo26

Lord TSC wrote: »

Considering they whooped us once this season, think they will probably do it again easily enough...

So we will be here next Tuesday night saying "if lvg aint sacked tomorrow he will be here until end of season................."

Lord TSC

jayo26 wrote: »

So we will be here next Tuesday night saying "if lvg aint sacked tomorrow he will be here until end of season................."

I am still hopeful he won't make the Derby game :P

The_Kew_Tour

If we do get beat in next game, our 2, will that be the last straw of all the little straw that's left?

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If we do get beat in next game, our 2, will that be the last straw of all the little straw that's left?

last straw for me was the Norwich game. Nothing since then has indicated I should change my mind.

The_Kew_Tour

I should have been bit more clear. I mean will it just be too much for Board or LVG and he will have go either way?

Or do people reckon he be around no matter what now? Till season end anyway

Maximus Alexander

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I should have been bit more clear. I mean will it just be too much for Board or LVG and he will have go either way?

Or do people reckon he be around no matter what now? Till season end anyway

If he wasn't sacked after the Leicester to Stoke run, I can't see him being sacked now, pretty much no matter what.

This still reflects my thoughts:

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I doubt this, I'd say he's gone either when 4th becomes impossible like Moyes, or else in the summer if it goes to the wire. They probably just don't see any point in sacking him right now because leaving Giggs in charge until May is not likely to be an improvement and whoever will succeed him isn't available yet.

That would be my reading of the situation anyway. Barring an impossible, fantasy turnaround, I can't see him being in charge next year.

He somehow survived getting dumped out of the CL, followed by D-D-L-L-L-D in the league, mostly to nobodies. It's been D-W-D-W-L since which is 'better', so... we're most likely stuck with him for now.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Would be similar to saying we should get rid of all the players cause this is the play they are playing, and if they wanted to play differently they would be.

The manager picks the style. Not the assistant.

Its not similar to the players at all. The players do what they are told, but the assistant should have a huge influence on what is happening otherwise there is no point to him being there at all, just get a jobbridge kid in to run errands if thats what the role is. You don't need to look far to see examples of this, not at a club that had the likes of Kidd, McClaren, Quieroz all hugely influencing what happened on the field.

Once again, you simply cannot have it both ways. To make a case for being the next manager Giggs needs to be showing behind the scenes that he is influential, that his opinions are listened to and that they are good opinions that get results. Either his opinions are not being listened to, or they are being listened to and they are just bad opinions contributing to our current problems.

Pick one, because it simply cannot be the case that behind the scenes Ryan Giggs is doing a fantastic job as a coach and looks like a brilliant manager in waiting, not when the team he is coaching has for 3 years been playing some of the worst football it has in decades.

If he has influence then he takes some of the blame for the poor performances. If he doesn't have influence then how can he be making a case to be manager?

adox

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I should have been bit more clear. I mean will it just be too much for Board or LVG and he will have go either way?

Or do people reckon he be around no matter what now? Till season end anyway

I think Van Gaal will walk before he's sacked. The board have proven with Moyes and now Van Gaal that they are specialists in not acting when it comes to big decisions on managers positions.

This is his last gig. The natives are restless and turning nasty. He probably over halfway through his agreed tenure now and there is no sign of change. He's no fool. Retirement in Portugal is his next port of call. He won't stay around to be humiliated, he must surely know he's a busted flush and the course he's on is irreversible.

Let's hope to **** the next manager works out cause otherwise we will find ourselves in this same exact position again, a manager that should have been long fired still in the job.

I hope when he is gone that there's some internal reflection from within the club. On the footballing side of things, from the failed transfers/pursuits, the Moyes appointment, to the lack of action when it's clear to everyone and their dog that a manager is working out, it's been at best poor at times, and at worst, shambolic.

That the club have perpetrated their own demise is the most disappointing thing of all. There's lots to be addressed, not just the manager.

homerjay2005

Lord TSC wrote: »

Considering they whooped us once this season, think they will probably do it again easily enough...

They really have some fine players, considering the money they have spent

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I should have been bit more clear. I mean will it just be too much for Board or LVG and he will have go either way?

Or do people reckon he be around no matter what now? Till season end anyway

i think the fact they haven't already sacked him indicates that there is no appetite from the club to do so. They have been more than fair and forgiving to him already, no other club would have given him this much time.

For whatever reason, United REALLY don't want to sack him. I can't think of a reason that is (a) good enough and (b) plausible for it.

Quandary

Mitch Connor wrote: »

i think the fact they haven't already sacked him indicates that there is no appetite from the club to do so. They have been more than fair and forgiving to him already, no other club would have given him this much time.

For whatever reason, United REALLY don't want to sack him. I can't think of a reason that is (a) good enough and (b) plausible for it.

It is beyond shocking that he has been given so much leeway and I would find it very hard to believe any other club of Utds status would allow it to continue.

Such a sad sad state of affairs and the longer he is left in charge, the worse it looks for everyone involved, including LVG.

Crimson King

Mitch Connor wrote: »

last straw for me was the Norwich game. Nothing since then has indicated I should change my mind.

This was my breaking point game. Norwich deserved to win and anything but an away win that game would have been cruel. To actually think that Norwich came away from OT the better team shows how bad things actually are!

Adamcp898

Mitch Connor wrote: »

i think the fact they haven't already sacked him indicates that there is no appetite from the club to do so. They have been more than fair and forgiving to him already, no other club would have given him this much time.

For whatever reason, United REALLY don't want to sack him. I can't think of a reason that is (a) good enough and (b) plausible for it.

Imo the only reason they won't pull the trigger is simply the lack of a suitable replacement i.e. a top tier manager.

With Ancellotti and Pep taken, and seemingly enough question marks over Jose to pass on him, who else is there?

I think we could do worse than get Pellegrini after Pep is appointed if all parties are open to it.

RobertKK

Bad news for Spurs with Jan Vertonghen having a knee injury and will miss at least two months.

He is a really good player, so could be good news for us, but one wouldn't wish injury on anyone.

Rayne Wooney

It's going to be a kick in the nuts if a team wins a cup not long after sacking their incompetent manager

Liam McPoyle

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It's going to be a kick in the nuts if a team wins a cup not long after sacking their incompetent manager

Meh tbh.

Harry Palmr

This is nuts if true.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-position-match-by-match-derby-county

you cannot run a big club this way.

Harry Palmr

This is nuts if true.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-position-match-by-match-derby-county

you cannot run a big club this way.

Liam McPoyle

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is nuts if true.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-position-match-by-match-derby-county

you cannot run a big club this way.

I think you'll find we can Arry!

Maximus Alexander

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is nuts if true.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-position-match-by-match-derby-county

you cannot run a big club this way.

They claim that he offered his resignation twice over Christmas, then again this weekend. Then they go on to say:

"The improved display was the start of a five-match unbeaten run, yet his position remained in the balance. It does so again and a defeat by Derby may be enough for Van Gaal to offer his resignation again or Woodward to sack him."

Seems an odd way to phrase it.

"You can't fire me I quit I've quit four times!" springs to mind.

Trigger

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is nuts if true.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-position-match-by-match-derby-county

you cannot run a big club this way.

Poor aul Jamie has been left out in the cold since the Moyes days, over the last 2 days he has contradicted himself about 4/5 times with regards to the Boards/LVG position. He doesn't have a source in the club anymore.

homerjay2005

Mitch Connor wrote: »

last straw for me was the Norwich game. Nothing since then has indicated I should change my mind.

my patience had went well before that, but i was seeing the s*it football first hand every second week and had seen the discontent growing as october/november was progressing.

didnt think it would come to this though, was half expecting him to change his ways and turn it around, but that never materialised.

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

Really don't want to open an onslaught from you, but if we required evidence for every feeling someone had, we would onyl ever discuss the scoreline, who played the match, and basic facts about a match.

There is rarely to never actual evidence of truthful information, openly available for many of the issues with a football club, that create the passionate debate fans have. But some reasonable theories can be drawn, from just what you see.

I think your definition of the word evidence is a bit off. The "just what you see," that you are talking about using to draw a reasonable theory, would count as evidence.

So Homer has a theory that there is a power struggle going on between Fergie and Woodward, so what a have we seen that would support that theory?

TheDoc wrote: »

There seems to be widespread acceptance that this type of football, is what Van Gaal is coaching the players, and likes. Contrary to the evidence(evidence being past styles, player testament, managers own quotes) Personally, I don't believe what we see, is what Van Gaal wants and plans, but I accept he hasn't been able to improve it or change it.

I'd have the opposite view. Based on his playing style at Bayern and testimony from previous players and clubs that have worked with him, I'd say what we are seeing fits within the range of what yo could expect from LVG's approach to the game.

homerjay2005

Now we know where Woodward and co have had their minds on in recent day while the football side of things is falling apart.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2016/Jan/manchester-united-announces-partnership-with-isotonic-drink-brand-YOU-C1000-in-Indonesia.aspx

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Predictions for Friday? Easyish Derby win. Even Stoke were playing like Barcelona last night compared to our muck.

Trigger

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Predictions for Friday? Easyish Derby win. Even Stoke were playing like Barcelona last night compared to our muck.

I'm actually confident of a handy enough 2-0 or so win.I dunno why though. Derby are on a poor run of form at the mo. Got hammered the weekend too.

Oh and leave Stokelona out of this!