Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

Fenix

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Would certainly be interesting to see who he would want United to try to sign.

I would guess Stones, Laporte and Varane will be the top CB targets. And then we'll buy Garay :pac:

Elsewhere.... fook knows. I could see Jose really liking Herrera, but then I thought LVG would like him too.

Yeah think he'll try to move heaven & earth to get Stones as well, having England's first choice partnership at the back would be nice. He's big into his holding midfielder and people who can break up the play, so Schniederlin would likely be a shoe-in. Also think Mata will suit his type of play. We have no one as creative in that position as him at the club currently and regardless of history Mata keeps on proving his worth.

Wonder would he be as ruthless with Rooney were he to hit a bad run of form? I'm hoping he would if I'm honest.

Mitch Connor

Lord TSC wrote: »

Jose was pretty keen on Pogba too, wasn't he? Be interesting to see if that keeps up.

Could see him wanting three big names; a CB, a CM and then an attacking player. Could be a right winger if he's happy with Martial on the left flank and Rooney up front, or a striker if he wants to drop Rooney back into #10.

So what you are saying is Stones, Pogba and Neymar are nailed on!? YES! I'M IN!:pac:

Howard the Duck

I think i must be the only Utd fan that doesn't want Jose. Always hated his style of football. I would like to see LVG given to at least the end of the season and if he goes then maybe Giggs or Mark Hughes given the job but i don't think that'll happen.

brinty

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Would certainly be interesting to see who he would want United to try to sign.

I would guess Stones, Laporte and Varane will be the top CB targets. And then we'll buy Garay :pac:

Elsewhere.... fook knows. I could see Jose really liking Herrera, but then I thought LVG would like him too.

Haven't we bought and sold him multiple times already...
Same re Gaitan....

Antibac

I think most want Mourihno the manager but Mourinho the man is what people have reservations over

Lord TSC

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So what you are saying is Stones, Pogba and Neymar are nailed on!? YES! I'M IN!:pac:

New positivity train leaving the station?

Mitch Connor

Howard the Duck wrote: »

I think i must be the only Utd fan that doesn't want Jose.

I take it you have not read this thread, anything on twitter or a member of any other forum on which United fans discuss United.

With that, welcome to the internet, have fun.

Kerrydude1981

Irish Mirror having a bit of craic here about Mourinho

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/revealed-how-man-uniteds-201617-7349080

Mitch Connor

Lord TSC wrote: »

New positivity train leaving the station?

Nah, I think the world would be in serious danger of.... something if I were to board any kind of 'positivity' transportation.

brinty

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Nah, I think the world would be in serious danger of.... something if I were to board any kind of 'positivity' transportation.

Step away from the train....
You're like FutureGuy...

if ever you start being positive I'll worry

brinty

Lord TSC wrote: »

New positivity train leaving the station?

#choof*****nchoo

What's all this mee-larky about a train. It's a tractor fs

Howard the Duck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I take it you have not read this thread, anything on twitter or a member of any other forum on which United fans discuss United.

With that, welcome to the internet, have fun.

I haven't read the 527 pages here no. Most of the stuff i read seems to be Pro Jose that coupled with the press and the Mourinho chants at Old Trafford make it seem that most Utd fans want him. Which i think is making LVG's position untenable really.

Thanks for the welcome to the internet BTW, I came on to look for porn and got lost

Kerrydude1981

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What's all this mee-larky about a train. It's a tractor fs

And a dam good tractor as well

Howard the Duck

Howard the Duck wrote: »

I think i must be the only Utd fan that doesn't want Jose. Always hated his style of football. I would like to see LVG given to at least the end of the season and if he goes then maybe Giggs or Mark Hughes given the job but i don't think that'll happen.

Eh, I'm not an advocate of Jose either and there are more in here who think the same but I accept what he can and cannot bring to the table. I won't lose sleep over it if he does get the job.

Lord TSC

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What's all this mee-larky about a train. It's a tractor fs

Tractor is old fashioned.

We're building a futuristic bullet train. To choo-choo us all the way to success! :P

dave_o_brien

Howard the Duck wrote: »

I think i must be the only Utd fan that doesn't want Jose.

You're not. I honestly don't know how I could reconcile my support for UTD with my dislike of him. He is anathema to everything I admire about UTD.

Howard the Duck

dave_o_brien wrote: »

You're not. I honestly don't know how I could reconcile my support for UTD with my dislike of him. He is anathema to everything I admire about UTD.

That's pretty much how i feel even though i don't dislike him too much it's more his style of football i dislike. People may say that it'll be better then LGV's style of football but i don't think there will be much difference apart from he will have the backing of the fans and press...for a short time

Coat22

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Would certainly be interesting to see who he would want United to try to sign.

I would guess Stones, Laporte and Varane will be the top CB targets. And then we'll buy Garay :pac:

Elsewhere.... fook knows. I could see Jose really liking Herrera, but then I thought LVG would like him too.

Jose will love Rooney but will Rooney love Jose?
I think he'll find a use for Fellani too but Juan????
The Best Young Defender in Europe may have to move to Real Madrid or Barcelona - can't see Mounrinhio having a place for the sick note and Darmain may not fit the Jose stereotype full back but hope I'm wrong on this one.

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

Tractor is old fashioned.

We're building a futuristic bullet train. To choo-choo us all the way to success! :P

Combo

Mitch Connor

Howard the Duck wrote: »

I haven't read the 527 pages here no. Most of the stuff i read seems to be Pro Jose that coupled with the press and the Mourinho chants at Old Trafford make it seem that most Utd fans want him. Which i think is making LVG's position untenable really.

Thanks for the welcome to the internet BTW, I came on to look for porn and got lost

THere are LOADS of fans that don't want Jose - and I think the Mourinho chants were actually "FCUK OFF MOURINHO", from the stretford end.

Some people, like myself, do want Jose - I wanted him to take over from Fergie. I do have reservations about him, relating to his personal actions more than anything else, but I believe we could get a different Jose (for a time anyway) as this is the job he wants.

I think criticism of his football style is generally over the top, too. In both spells at Chelsea they played some amazing stuff. Same with Real Madrid and I'm not going to comment on Inter as I simply didn't want enough of them. There are times when his sides are cynically boring to watch, but I don't think that is his go to style - it is adopted when his side are playing a better opponent and need to negate them. Even at that, the freedome and speed of counter attack in such games can be great to watch.

Lord TSC

Howard the Duck wrote: »

That's pretty much how i feel even though i don't dislike him too much it's more his style of football i dislike. People may say that it'll be better then LGV's style of football but i don't think there will be much difference apart from he will have the backing of the fans and press...for a short time

Its weird the narrative has sunk in now that all Jose does is play negative football. This in spite of his teams always being massively high scoring teams. My understanding is that he'll "park the bus" against significantly superior teams, but score for fun against the smaller teams. Seems to me he plays a counter attacking style of football, which could be fun, but tailors his tactics to who he's facing, unlike LVG who plays the same against every team he comes across, regardless of suitability.

At United, he could potentially have the run over buying top level players to implement the same style he had at the likes of Real, and if he's winning trophies, the discontent will soon fade.

Mitch Connor

Coat22 wrote: »

Jose will love Rooney but will Rooney love Jose?
I think he'll find a use for Fellani too but Juan????
The Best Young Defender in Europe may have to move to Real Madrid or Barcelona - can't see Mounrinhio having a place for the sick note and Darmain may not fit the Jose stereotype full back but hope I'm wrong on this one.

Ashley Cole was one of the best full backs in the world under Mourinho - I'm not saying he created that, but he didn't stifle it. Ivanovic was considered the top RB in the PL for a time too. The spanish lads whose name I'm not going to attempt is brilliant too, and has/had looked quality under Mourinho. Were the full backs utterly stifled at Real Madrid?

Jose wanted Shaw at Chelsea but Chelsea wouldn't pay the money United were offering.

Honestly, I think people go way over the top on Mourinho.

bangkok

brinty wrote: »

Jeez I'd say Bangkok is rejoicing and can't wait for Jose to get here now....

I just hope for Bangkoks sake that Jose doesn't sign another player who got Bangkok friend zoned

no, I don't want jose, but I do want us to sell fellaini. One of the worst signings in our history

brinty

Coat22 wrote: »

Jose will love Rooney but will Rooney love Jose?
I think he'll find a use for Fellani too but Juan????
The Best Young Defender in Europe may have to move to Real Madrid or Barcelona - can't see Mounrinhio having a place for the sick note and Darmain may not fit the Jose stereotype full back but hope I'm wrong on this one.

I think Darmian will be beloved of Jose. Solid defensively and great going forward. Whats not to love, might be a bit slow but he'd be quite similar to Ivanovic.. if we can bring in Eva and Darmian has his naughty way with her he'll be exactly like Ivanovic..

Mantis Toboggan

Howard the Duck wrote: »

That's pretty much how i feel even though i don't dislike him too much it's more his style of football i dislike. People may say that it'll be better then LGV's style of football but i don't think there will be much difference apart from he will have the backing of the fans and press...for a short time

I've despised him years also, supported his direct opponents in each country he's been in. Style of football but mainly his antics, being a sore loser and his lack of class.

For me it will be like how I was with lvg, once performances and style are good and there's a clear progression of the team over time then I'll support him, but if performances and results are poor and he's acting the twat off the field then I'll be changing my stance.

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

no, I don't want jose, but I do want us to sell fellaini. One of the worst signings in our history

:pac::pac::pac:

brinty

Tyson Fury wrote: »

I've despised him years also, supported his direct opponents in each country he's been in. Style of football but mainly his antics, being a sore loser and his lack of class.

For me it will be like how I was with lvg, once performances and style are good and there's a clear progression of the team over time then I'll support him, but if performances and results are poor and he's acting the twat off the field then I'll be changing my stance.

Go support Citeh so...

Maximus Alexander

brinty wrote: »

Go support Citeh so...

ericzeking

mouriNhO.......

ericzeking

bangkok wrote: »

no, I don't want jose, but I do want us to sell fellaini. One of the worst signings in our history

Fellaini is one of the main reasons we are just about holding it together and within even an asses roar of top 4 in my opinion, without him in both boxes we look fragile as fook at set pieces which are a big part of the game when your slow build up play is largely sterile (save for the past couple of games).

Be glad we have the wooly fella

bangkok

ericzeking wrote: »

Fellaini is one of the main reasons we are just about holding it together and within even an asses roar of top 4 in my opinion, without him in both boxes we look fragile as fook at set pieces which are a big part of the game when your slow build up play is largely sterile (save for the past couple of games).

Be glad we have the wooly fella

homerjay2005

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Also speculation of Andrea Berta coming is as DOF

assuming that him and Jose would get along and its 100% agreed, this would be a crucial factor and hugely beneficial in our revival as i dont think Woodward is capable of both the commercial and football role.

wonder could this just be media b*llix though as the press know that the relationship towards Woodward and the Glazers is very very tense at the moment i.e. - just writing what the fans want the hear?

RobertKK

Lord TSC wrote: »

Jose was pretty keen on Pogba too, wasn't he? Be interesting to see if that keeps up.

Could see him wanting three big names; a CB, a CM and then an attacking player. Could be a right winger if he's happy with Martial on the left flank and Rooney up front, or a striker if he wants to drop Rooney back into #10.

Three players I see being mentioned as being main targets are Neymar, Pogba and Laporte.

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

Its weird the narrative has sunk in now that all Jose does is play negative football.

It is indeed weird, people seem determined to paint Mourinho as some pantomine villain. Listen to some people and you would think he was some sociopath who can't walk down the street without spitting on children, and all of his teams played ten at the back and never attacked at all.

Of course the reality is far different than that. His teams weren't all defense all the time, Jose gets players playing well and that includes his flair players. And yes he has had a few unsavoury incidents but that doesn't mean he is some walking timebomb, put him in an environment that nurtures him instead of the toxic atmosphere at Madrid or Chelsea and I suspect you will a lot less of these "incidents". So why this need to completely demonize him? Has he really kidnapped so many puppies that so many people seem to have such a personal dislike of the man?

Mourinho could fail at United, just as any manager could fail in any job, but when you look at all the aspects, the current state of the club, the competition, the alternatives, then the only rational choice is to give him the job.

Mr.Prodston

What do we actually know so far a la Mourinho?

Is it that somebody, most likely Woodward or Mendes has informed some of the journalists that he's coming in the summer Or is there more to it?

I just don't want him anywhere near the club!! But the Mourinho/Guardiola/Manchester triangle could be the greatest soap opera of all time. So I dunno, but that's nearly a case of me stepping back and laughing at the club rather than with the club during the greatest show on earth

Maybe Van Gaal has turned a corner??? Ahem, that's the level of confusion/desperation I have over the whole situation.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So what you are saying is Stones, Pogba and Neymar are nailed on!? YES! I'M IN!:pac:

Well when you put it like that JOSE in

RobertKK

Rio: "Jose Mourinho's name is getting mentioned. If you want someone who has got a career track record in winning in the Premier League and various other countries, then he's that guy. But if you want someone who understands the philosophy, who is respectful of the philosophy, who identifies with the fans, knows the place inside out, who is going to be a bigger risk, then Ryan Giggs is that guy."

If Giggs identifies with the fans, he would know only a small minority want him as manager as he is unproven, and one could make the argument that Gary Neville identified with the United fans and the philosophy, but no one would want him as manager.

This 'knows the place inside out' is a load of rubbish, it is a football club, a very high profile football club, it is not like going interstellar to a new planet.

M!Ck^

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What's all this mee-larky about a train. It's a tractor fs

I think Bob Sleighs would be **** draft in Usain Bolt, just a shame Bob sleighs go down hill. Chair lift?

Mitch Connor

RobertKK wrote: »

Rio: "Jose Mourinho's name is getting mentioned. If you want someone who has got a career track record in winning in the Premier League and various other countries, then he's that guy. But if you want someone who understands the philosophy, who is respectful of the philosophy, who identifies with the fans, knows the place inside out, who is going to be a bigger risk, then Ryan Giggs is that guy."

If Giggs identifies with the fans, he would know only a small minority want him as manager as he is unproven, and one could make the argument that Gary Neville identified with the United fans and the philosophy, but no one would want him as manager.

This 'knows the place inside out' is a load of rubbish, it is a football club, a very high profile football club, it is not like going interstellar to a new planet.

I'm gonna shorten that quote down.

"if you want someone... who is going to be a bigger risk, then Ryan Giggs is that guy"

Trigger

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I'm gonna shorten that quote down.

"if you want someone... who is going to be a bigger risk, then Ryan Giggs is that guy"

That's exactly the part that stuck out to me, and after the last 2 reigns we really can't afford a huge risk like Giggs. We need to get in a proven winner. Obviously Mourinho would be my choice, but if the club were not going to give him the job, they really do need to overlook Giggs for it.. maybe if he goes off and proves himself as a manager he can come back when the ship has been steadied.

Howard the Duck

astradave wrote: »

That's exactly the part that stuck out to me, and after the last 2 reigns we really can't afford a huge risk like Giggs. We need to get in a proven winner. Obviously Mourinho would be my choice, but if the club were not going to give him the job, they really do need to overlook Giggs for it.. maybe if he goes off and proves himself as a manager he can come back when the ship has been steadied.

I think a good risk would be Mark Hughes and i'm sure Giggs would stay on as assistant. But i know it won't happen. Would be great to see an ex Utd player as manager.

Lord TSC

Howard the Duck wrote: »

I think a good risk would be Mark Hughes and i'm sure Giggs would stay on as assistant. But i know it won't happen. Would be great to see an ex Utd player as manager.

Would be another romantic appointment, ala Moyes. A manager who has never taken his team beyond midtable, and who has shown very little to prove why he should get the job. The only reason he seems to get mentioned is cause he's an ex-United player.

Rio backing Giggs...people who are declaring what Giggs philosophy is are basing it on their own dreams, but Giggs has now spent 3 years being mentored by negative managers. LVG, in particular, was assigned to build a team and a philosophy for Giggs to inherit....so why should we believe Giggs wouldn't continue on that tradition? Similarly, what would make people think Giggs has it in him to completely reverse the philosophy imposed on the club over the last 18 months? There seems to be this weird assumption Giggs would be Fergie 2.0, when there's not really much evidence there to prove that at all.

Its why I'm desperate for Giggs to go manage another team first, so he can show what he can actually achieve without being handed the reigns to our prized steed.

IamtheWalrus

The 'Harry for England' press debacle has made me doubt the media's inside knowledge but I do believe Jose is Utd bound.

Trigger

Howard the Duck wrote: »

I think a good risk would be Mark Hughes and i'm sure Giggs would stay on as assistant. But i know it won't happen. Would be great to see an ex Utd player as manager.

Do you mind giving your reasons for wanting Hughes in as manager? TSC has basically wrote what I would be saying about him.

Does anyone have the Intercall Conference code for 1pm? :P

ericzeking

bangkok wrote: »

Read the post again, "one of the main reasons".

Howard the Duck

Lord TSC wrote: »

Its why I'm desperate for Giggs to go manage another team first, so he can show what he can actually achieve without being handed the reigns to our prized steed.

I thought Ole Gunnar Solskjaer might have had a chance but that was ruined when he went to Cardiff, a really bad decision i think, never thought that was going to work out.
Hopefully he'll choose a better club to move onto next time.

I totally agree with you that Giggs is not ready yet

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

Its why I'm desperate for Giggs to go manage another team first, so he can show what he can actually achieve without being handed the reigns to our prized steed.

I suspect Giggs knows well that if he goes somewhere else first he stands a high chance of at worst doing a Neville and flopping badly, or at best doing a Bruce or Hughes, tipping along doing a solid job that wouldn't actually be good enough to get him the United job on its own merits.

He knows that his best chance of being the United manager is the blind romantic route, getting it based not on merit but on dreamland values such as being a club legend and knowing the club inside out. Actually leaving and doing the job somewhere would lose him that route, the romanticism wouldn't survive people being able to point at an average managerial record.

If he left for a managers job and absolutely killed it he would definitely be in pole position, but how likely is that? Even if he is a good manager chances are the club he joins isn't that great anyway and he will look average just by being there.

So Giggs will hang around as long as he can and hope for his chance to come along. The strange thing is that if that is his thinking it would be rather blinkered. Whats the point in staying there in hope of getting the job when he himself doesn't know he can do it? He could blow his one chance at the job early in his career through sheer inexperience, instead of heading of and learning his craft and maybe taking the job later and actually doing it well.

Mitch Connor

Lord TSC wrote: »

Would be another romantic appointment, ala Moyes. A manager who has never taken his team beyond midtable, and who has shown very little to prove why he should get the job. The only reason he seems to get mentioned is cause he's an ex-United player.

I don't think that is fair, to be honest. I think the job he has done at Stoke is quite impressive. Has completely changed the style of football and has some cast off players playing some quality football. I think he is building quite a good rep for himself and his name should rightly be in the frame for bigger jobs. I don't think it is just a United connection that is getting him mentions for this, or the chelsea job.

Rio backing Giggs...people who are declaring what Giggs philosophy is are basing it on their own dreams, but Giggs has now spent 3 years being mentored by negative managers. LVG, in particular, was assigned to build a team and a philosophy for Giggs to inherit....so why should we believe Giggs wouldn't continue on that tradition? Similarly, what would make people think Giggs has it in him to completely reverse the philosophy imposed on the club over the last 18 months? There seems to be this weird assumption Giggs would be Fergie 2.0, when there's not really much evidence there to prove that at all.

Its why I'm desperate for Giggs to go manage another team first, so he can show what he can actually achieve without being handed the reigns to our prized steed.

On the Giggs front - I personally believe that former team mates such as Scholes and Rio, and certain members of the press pack are talking about this philosphy stuff on the back of what Giggs says to them. It may turn out that what giggs is able to implement in practice is different to what he would ideally look to implement - but I firmly believe the talk of football with more attacking intent from Giggs, is from Giggs.

There are whispers that Giggs has a far bigger say in United now than he did a couple of months ago, when there was talk of him leaving (for Swansea) - so maybe the more attacking intent we are seeing now is a product of Giggs having more input than he did previously, or his input being actually implemented rather than ignored. Speculation, of course.