Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

adox

newballsplease wrote: »

Dont agree with that. He is right footed.
Because he plays left midfield shouldnt mean he should be more comfortable at left back,then right back. Theres a hell of a difference.
It is the correct decision to play him at Right back (if he has to select him for either that is)

But Young has played left back before. Darmien is right footed too. I just didn't see the point of playing both full backs out of position when there was the option to only have one.

adox

Hammers doing the business against Liverpool. Let's hope we get the win today.

StringerBell

Pro. F wrote: »

This idea people have that top strikers convert those types of chances consistently just isn't true. It was a good chance, but even the best only score those good chances about half the time. People just remember the goals and forget the misses.

"People" was me, and I would stand by the assertion that the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc would convert that 7/8 times out of 10.

I remember plenty of shocking misses from said players, but when the pressure is on, when it comes to the crunch they more often then not come up with the goods for their teams. The big moments are what separate the greats from the rest, always been that way.

StringerBell

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Why is Darmian getting ****ed with.

He is a wing back who can play right or left back yet instead LVG is playing a left winger at right back and a center mid at left back.

I just dont see it.

Carrying a knock I heard?

StringerBell

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is Swansea at home not a good place to try some of this rumored player development, why not play Varela or Borthwick-Jackson? Are they injured? Not a big enough game?

Could it be that better options are fit and we need a win??

Jaysus that would be mental!

Quandary

Not sure about the rest of ye, but I honestly have no idea what to expect in this game.

Happy with the team selection though.

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Adox I miss the old avatar

deaddonkey15

StringerBell wrote: »

"People" was me, and I would stand by the assertion that the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc would convert that 7/8 times out of 10.

I remember plenty of shocking misses from said players, but when the pressure is on, when it comes to the crunch they more often then not come up with the goods for their teams. The big moments are what separate the greats from the rest, always been that way.

So Rooney isn't matching up to the 3 best goalscorers in the world, and 2 of the best goalscorers to ever play the game? What a disgrace. Messi only scores penalties about 8 times out of 10 so I doubt he'd be equally as prolific with a significantly more difficult scenario such as the chance Rooney missed against Chelsea.

Pro F is correct, this notion that all the top players convert difficult chances 80 or 90% of the time is just false. Your second paragraph suggests you don't pay much attention to these players. Ronaldo is often criticised for not delivering under pressure. In fact there are many examples of big games for Real Madrid in which he failed to score. Messi too to a lesser extent. Their goal scoring stats are skewed by the fact that they are the best goalscorers in excellent ides that are already far superior to most teams they come up against.

Maybe Rooney would convert that chance 7 or 8 times out of 10 just like Ronaldo or Messi, perhaps this was just one of the 3 out of 10 times that he misses? Rooney has delivered the goods for United on plenty of occasions.

bucketybuck

StringerBell wrote: »

Could it be that better options are fit and we need a win??

Jaysus that would be mental!

Ah, so player development is not that important then, we aren't building a platform for the future then. Its all about the wins!

Yes we need a win, but its Swansea at home and we are once again playing a winger at full back, this is absolutely a good choice of game to give one of the kids match experience. If you can't play them in games like this then there will never be a good time to play them (outside of vital champions league games of course).

I know its your job to kiss the managers ass all day but my point is perfectly valid.

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its a tad very boring at the moment

Rayne Wooney

If we don't win this Van Gaal needs to go, I'm done with this garbage

newballsplease

I know theres a match thread. But this has to end after today.
The football is absolutley disgraceful for a club this big.
The crowd are dead because the team is dead.

It doesnt matter what happens in next 45-50 mins. LVG clearly has his style of play and tactics and its not changing. Rubbish.

Quandary

sack him, sack him hard. his brand of football is not working for this club.

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Martial only shinning light in attack

Kerrydude1981

This is tough going

Hungover watching Utd = severe pain

Players just going through the motions

irishfeen

This is just terrible s.hite..

Giggsy11

About time Woody grows some balls and sack Van Gaal.

Flint Fredstone

We need goals. Herrera's chance and Mata's chance goes in then we are not moaning about how we are playing.

Quandary

This bullsh1t needs to end now. Its infuriating how much leeway LVG is getting from the board. Why isn't he being sacked??? This season has been total regression.

Flint Fredstone

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

We need goals. Herrera's chance and Mata's chance goes in then we are not moaning about how we are playing.

At this stage an own goal or a poxy deflection will do

We need to get a bit of luck

There were good chances wasted in the first half

Rossi IRL

This formation is confusing to say the least, we seem to be playing like:

Canadel

newballsplease wrote: »

It doesnt matter what happens in next 45-50 mins. LVG clearly has his style of play and tactics and its not changing. Rubbish.

If anything, surely Van Gaal has somewhat abandoned his possession retention philosophy today? At least it seemed that way for the first 20 mins of the game. It's like watching Moyes Utd, which is more worrying than anything for a manager who was intent on stamping his own brand on the team.

Flint Fredstone

Can't help but think Martial would have done better with both the downward header or the chance at the back post that needed 2 touches to get a shot away.

beno619

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

We need goals. Herrera's chance and Mata's chance goes in then we are not moaning about how we are playing.

*Half chances. Speak for yourself.

Pro. F

StringerBell wrote: »

"People" was me, and I would stand by the assertion that the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc would convert that 7/8 times out of 10.

I remember plenty of shocking misses from said players, but when the pressure is on, when it comes to the crunch they more often then not come up with the goods for their teams. The big moments are what separate the greats from the rest, always been that way.

It's not just you at all to be fair. I'd say it is a very common opinion and loads have expressed it since that Chelsea game. But it's not true.

The top strikers score about half of their clear chances. They also score crucial goals when their teams need them, but there's no evidenc that they convert chances at better rates in those situations.

irishfeen

https://twitter.com/massmarioni/status/683303039567007744

Incredibly depressing stuff

Flint Fredstone

beno619 wrote: »

*Half chances. Speak for yourself.

If we were 2-0 up you would be moaning about how we are playing?

beno619

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

If we were 2-0 up you would be moaning about how we are playing?

Yes. Some people see a bigger picture.

I'd be delighted were winning but it wouldn't make the football any better.

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Headshot wrote: »

Martial only shinning light in attack

shinning light this season

Crucial goal

Showing Rooney how its done

beno619

Headshot wrote: »

shinning light this season

We'd be in dire straights without him.

raze_them_all_

mahrez just missed a penoi, good! but also my FF captain ****e

Mantis Toboggan

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/massmarioni/status/683303039567007744

Incredibly depressing stuff

Also have failed to score a goal in the first half of their last 9 games.

10 in a row, 10 in a row,
We're only 9 wins from,
10 in a row....

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Im happy we won, we desperately needed it but its so unconvincing

Flint Fredstone

We showed great character.

Liam McPoyle

Business Cat wrote: »

Choo choo.


We are going to get top 4.


Morgan and Ander will start every game and will stay fit for the remainder of the season.

Rooney will find form and go on a scoring streak of no less than 5 games, starting this weekend.

Luke Shaw will return before the end of the season to consolidate our 3rd place finish (behind City and the Arse)

We will threaten to make a tilt at the title but fatigue will take its toll and a comfortable third place finish will be ours.

Choo choo.

Chugga chugga chugga chugga

Choo choo!

:pac:

Quandary

Far from convincing but a badly needed win is a win. LVG still only barely keeping his head above water.

raze_them_all_

****ing hell fabiankski nearly nicked a point....

Still a lot of work to be done and changes to be made

Lord TSC

A win is a win.

Martial was great. Young preformed well. Rooney wasn't his usual toxic self. Not much else in terms of standout performances.

It will take more than a 2-1 win against a relegation-threatened Swansea to allay my fears though. I'll scream if I hear the phrase "Corner turned" used in a serious manner. I seriously worry about LVG getting us top 4 right now, and would still love to see him sacked asap in favour of Jose. This game will probably buy him a few more weeks though, so I fully expect us to let Jose head back to Real Madrid and us left sucking our thumbs.

Rossi IRL

Think if we go 442 we could do well.

RobertKK

It looks like we reached the very bottom, still not great but on an upward curve at the moment.

Martial was my man of the match, followed by Young.

edgecutter

Take out Young and Martial from that team and we would languishing at the bottom of the table somewhere.

adox

Martial my Motm. Goal and assist.

Delighted with win, although just kicks the can down the road.

Lovely goal by Rooney.

Adamocovic

May not have been the most convincing display but happy we finally got out of that streak.

Think from half time with the formation change we were looking very good with Ashley pushed further up, he had a blinder and was noticeable when he came off Swansea started getting more into it.

All in all happy with the win and Martial and Rooneys performances. Some finish by Rooney! Was nice to see a goal like that again!

Now lets try get on a cup run, some tough fixtures ahead.

RobbingBandit

That LVG feller he's not that bad really...

Nalz

Young was brilliant
Schweinsteigers touch was awful
Martial and Rooney were good too
Herrera wasnt bad, Mata didn't do much

Blind frustrates me tbh, don't think he's good enough

edgecutter

RobbingBandit wrote: »

That LVG feller he's not that bad really...

I still believe that he needs to go and someone with fresh ideas to come in. The first half was painful to watch.

Flint Fredstone

edgecutter wrote: »

Take out Young and Martial from that team and we would languishing at the bottom of the table somewhere.

Jesus. You think Young is keeping us up there? After that game or would you have said that at 14:55 today?

RobertKK

Lord TSC wrote: »

A win is a win.

Martial was great. Young preformed well. Rooney wasn't his usual toxic self. Not much else in terms of standout performances.

It will take more than a 2-1 win against a relegation-threatened Swansea to allay my fears though. I'll scream if I hear the phrase "Corner turned" used in a serious manner. I seriously worry about LVG getting us top 4 right now, and would still love to see him sacked asap in favour of Jose. This game will probably buy him a few more weeks though, so I fully expect us to let Jose head back to Real Madrid and us left sucking our thumbs.

If you draw a graph, the curve now points up