Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

homerjay2005

Lord TSC wrote: »

I'd imagine if Saul is coming in (IF), then the talks of Fellaini leaving probably will increase....

different positions really, have seen it said that he would be similiar to Bastian.

i dont think he will be a signing to change our fortunes, our problems are the front 4 but Louis seems to think differently. is there any winger in ATH Madrid we can take instead?

StringerBell

He would decrease the need to play Bastian as much which would help him. Ander, himself and Schneiderlin could work very well as a midfield trio also.

He would provide another good option which is not a bad thing, but I think there is another position that needs an upgrade more importantly.

RobertKK

I know they always look good in those videos.

He seems very energetic, there was a Roy Keane sliding tackle to win the ball, goal scoring. Maybe United want him as they believe he will bring energy to the team?

Kerrydude1981

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CheGiaevara/status/686566228324945920

COPE and @RuizAntonito are also reporting that Manchester United have indicated that they are ready to increase their offer to €25-26million


Obligatory youtube vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4MNrOswAd0

If he signed,LVG would probably tie his two legs together for the first two weeks so he would end up having the same "match rhythm" as his team mates.

jayo26

Id love an energetic midfielder like freddy guarin or in that mold someone to drive a game and is equally as good charging forward as forgetting back for tackles.

Liam McPoyle

Lord TSC wrote: »

I'd imagine if Saul is coming in (IF), then the talks of Fellaini leaving probably will increase....

Somewhere, Bangkok just got the weirdest boner.

secman

Seriously don't expect any January signings especially with uncertain future of LVG, why would they throw more money at him ?

StringerBell

Improving the squad is never a bad thing.

posturingpat

Saul's a good player but if we're raiding Atletico there'a number of players i'd have before him, Griezemann,Koke,Torres and Godin obvious ones but the young winger that scored the weekend Yannick Ferreira Carrasco is very raw still but has all the ability and flair in the world and could become anything in the next 2 years,probably better off staying away from him until Van Gaal goes though as he'll inhibit his flair. Jackson Martinez won't be there much longer. Who'll take a gamble on him?

sky88

Havent seen much of him but the bits i have he seems a good player definitly one for the future as i think he should only improve but if were buying i would much rather a striker, center back and right winger.

Kerrydude1981

secman wrote: »

Seriously don't expect any January signings especially with uncertain future of LVG, why would they throw more money at him ?

Im not expecting any signings,but Moyes who was under pressure was given the funds to sign Mata.

Nalz

Pro. F wrote: »

Ah come on man, you didn't watch him close to that much.

I dunno, I know D personally and he's mad for the oul German and Dutch football on ocassions. I'd call him weird but I went to Eircom league games for years and loved the Serie A back in the day!

Adamcp898

Nalz wrote: »

I dunno, I know D personally and he's mad for the oul German and Dutch football on ocassions. I'd call him weird but I went to Eircom league games for years and loved the Serie A back in the day!

Rubber_Soul

secman wrote: »

Seriously don't expect any January signings especially with uncertain future of LVG, why would they throw more money at him ?

They may not feel his future is that uncertain.

Nalz

Adamcp898 wrote: »

You've had him too? Niiice

homerjay2005

homerjay2005 wrote: »

a defensive central midfield, another position we are well stocked in and another transfer that while welcome, is not a priority.

you would assume this means we are keeping the two defensive midfielders tactic going anyway.

Your going on a rumour and having a go at lvg

He openely admitted hes in the market for a winger

homerjay2005

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Im not expecting any signings,but Moyes who was under pressure was given the funds to sign Mata.

in 2014 at the start of the january window -

1. Moyes was 6 months into a 6 year contract. there were huge financial ramifications if they sacked him.
2. we had done very well in the champions league.
3. we were only 3 points of champions league football as of the last game of the year in 2013.
4. we had gone into the window, winning 5 games in a row.
5. we were in the semi final of a cup competition.
6. Moyes was being given time and while 1000s of fans wanted him sacked, it is clear the board had no intention of doing it for a long time yet or until at least Europe was no longer possible.
7. Moyes hadnt just spent £250m already...he needed backing.
8. Woodward was under immense pressure to deliver a top class signing.

things were much different back then in many aspects, not least in the fact that Moyes still had good support, LVG has very very little.

Rossi IRL

TheTownie wrote: »

Adios Ben!

And to think we are only selling him for something like 100k.

He had a very good loan at barnsley then came back and sold for peanuts without ever being given a chance.

Rossi IRL

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/686562086193901568

As long as Herrera dosnt get shafted i don't care.

Saul is suppose to be good, havnt seen him much though.

Hopefully this might mean the end for Fellaini. He tries but just isnt good enough.

RobertKK

James Nesbitt doing his bit to get Ronaldo back to United as presenter of the FIFA Ballon d'Or.

dave_o_brien

RobertKK wrote: »

James Nesbitt doing his bit to get Ronaldo back to United as presenter of the FIFA Ballon d'Or.

F**k that. Get him in Messi's ear, tell Messi to bring Neymar too.

StringerBell

Rossi IRL wrote: »

And to think we are only selling him for something like 100k.

He had a very good loan at barnsley then came back and sold for peanuts without ever being given a chance.

He wasn't good enough for the first team, he was lucky enough a team came in with a decent offer for him and he can go now and forge a career for himself.

This weird obsession with players not being given a chance is mind boggling, what do you think it is when they are signed and brought through the academy, playing in the underage teams, playing in the reserves, that is their chance! They have to show enough quality to get a shot at the first team, if it doesn't happen they often make good pro careers for themselves at other clubs. United has a great record of giving youngsters a good education and a shot at football as a career. Not always at United but look through the clubs, plenty of ex Unted products in the Premier League, the Championship and League One.

You speak about Fellaini not being United standard and your going to get upset over Ben Pearson? Wish him well for the future.

Rossi IRL

StringerBell wrote: »

You speak about Fellaini not being United standard and your going to get upset over Ben Pearson

Cmon now their completely different.

One was bought for £30m as a first team player.

The other is a young acadamy player who went on loan and did very well and then was never given a chance before being shipped off while players of lesser quality like Blackett and Keane remain at the club.

StringerBell

No.

Mr.Crinklewood

dave_o_brien wrote: »

F**k that. Get him in Messi's ear, tell Messi to bring Neymar too.

Not a hope.

Paul Giamatti and Thomas Haden Church will be the only two signings.

jayo26

StringerBell wrote: »

He wasn't good enough for the first team, he was lucky enough a team came in with a decent offer for him and he can go now and forge a career for himself.

This weird obsession with players not being given a chance is mind boggling, what do you think it is when they are signed and brought through the academy, playing in the underage teams, playing in the reserves, that is their chance! They have to show enough quality to get a shot at the first team, if it doesn't happen they often make good pro careers for themselves at other clubs. United has a great record of giving youngsters a good education and a shot at football as a career. Not always at United but look through the clubs, plenty of ex Unted products in the Premier League, the Championship and League One.

You speak about Fellaini not being United standard and your going to get upset over Ben Pearson? Wish him well for the future.

Its not a weird obsession while I don't think he is good enough its only natural that people wonder because a player united didn't give a chance to Is at this moment on stage in Zurich in the world team of the year four years after fergie bringing back Paul scholes instead to of giving him a chance.

Kerrydude1981

RobertKK wrote: »

James Nesbitt doing his bit to get Ronaldo back to United as presenter of the FIFA Ballon d'Or.

James did well to get this gig

StringerBell

jayo26 wrote: »

Its not a weird obsession while I don't think he is good enough its only natural that people wonder because a player united didn't give a chance to Is at this moment on stage in Zurich in the world team of the year four years after fergie bringing back Paul scholes instead to of giving him a chance.

It is a weird obsession. Its a Pogba hangover I assume? He is the exception rather then the rule and there was not a fan who agreed with the decision to hold him back from the first team. He has clearly earned a shot, even Fergie was telling him that. He has absolutely nothing to do with Ben Pearson, he is simply not comparable with regard to what talent or ability the players have shown.

The assumption is always that the player is not given a chance, that is a weird assumption to me, maybe I should have said that instead of obsession? They get a chance every single day in training for a number of years generally and matches to show they are capable of playing for the first team.

Them not making it does not mean they have not had a chance!

If that were the case, a dozen or so players every year who get released from the academy must never have been given a chance by the club also. Its a weird conclusion to draw when a player is clearly not of the level required.

Januzaj was given a chance, Perreira is given chances, Lingard, McNair etc etc, its not like the club doesn't try players from the underage teams

Trigger

jayo26 wrote: »

Its not a weird obsession while I don't think he is good enough its only natural that people wonder because a player united didn't give a chance to Is at this moment on stage in Zurich in the world team of the year four years after fergie bringing back Paul scholes instead to of giving him a chance.

TBF for every Pogba, there is hundreds of players that come through the Academy that are not a high enough standard for the first team. I mean if Pearson was really that good you would have expected a Top PL team to step in and buy him, especially for the price he went for.

useless

Derby away in the cup

RobertKK

FA cup

Manchester United play Derby County away.

The_Kew_Tour

Mitten, newstalk, 7.30

RobertKK

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Mitten, newstalk, 7.30

Thanks, he is always interesting.

Rossi IRL

Will keane has 2 goals in the u21.

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

TBF for every Pogba, there is hundreds of players that come through the Academy that are not a high enough standard for the first team. I mean if Pearson was really that good you would have expected a Top PL team to step in and buy him, especially for the price he went for.

Ah I know he aint good enough and I know pogba is rare im just saying thats why people question a player doing well on loan and then coming back and is sold,

there are a few exciting players in our Academy at moment only time Will tell.

Manutd_4life

Derby ain't gonna be easy. There around the top of the Championship last time i saw the table. Away as well makes things even worse.

Hopefully the style of football improves this week. A convincing win against Newcastle tomorrow and against Liverpool will lift the fans and all of a sudden LVG probably won''t be getting as much battering as he is atm.

Trigger

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Derby ain't gonna be easy. There around the top of the Championship last time i saw the table. Away as well makes things even worse.

Hopefully the style of football improves this week. A convincing win against Newcastle tomorrow and against Liverpool will lift the fans and all of a sudden LVG probably won''t be getting as much battering as he is atm.

Plenty of Irish players too, they are second in the league atm i think.

dubmick

From Andy Mitten's latest article for ESPN:

"Manchester United, the biggest club in the world by many indicators and one which has failed to trouble the Ballon d'Or and FIFPro awards with alarming regularity. Barcelona charter a flight to Switzerland every year for the awards. The only time United are likely to go to Switzerland is to play a team in the Europa League."

StringerBell

Is that supposed to be surprising though?

Its a contest every year between Messi and Ronaldo. I get his point, but the best/biggest team does not necessarily have the best individual players either. The unfortunate thing for the rest of the world is how many of the top 10 or so players in the world play for Barcelona/Madrid.

Do Munich, one of the biggest clubs in the world trouble the awards any more regularly then United?

Rossi IRL

Will Keane gets his hattrick.

One of the poorest ones iv seen in a long time. 2 penalties and a deflection off a shot from somebody else that he knew nothing of.

Meh, might give him some confidence.

3-0 away to Reading, 65 mins gone.

bucketybuck

StringerBell wrote: »

Do Munich, one of the biggest clubs in the world trouble the awards any more regularly then United?

At least they trouble other goalkeepers from time to time...

The_Kew_Tour

According to Mitten

United have not scored in Scoreboard End or East Stand side since Mid September.

That's awful.

StringerBell

bucketybuck wrote: »

At least they trouble other goalkeepers from time to time...

We can but dream

beno619

StringerBell wrote: »

Do Munich, one of the biggest clubs in the world trouble the awards any more regularly then United?

Of late yes. In the past we would have had one or two players in the best 11.

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

My friends say the same thing to me. I simply don't know why people don't believe I watched PSV pretty much every week last season, as if its like I had to fly there to see them.

It's not that I find the idea of a football fan watching any random football hard to believe, it's that last February you were saying this about him

TheDoc wrote: »

Would be an interesting one to watch. Caught s highlight reel over the weekend of him and he seems in blistering form.

TheDoc wrote: »

I'd mention at this point outside of the WC and parts I saw of him when I watched PSV predominantly for Strootman, a lot of the info I've been getting on him this season has been second hand from pod casts and articles.

RobertKK

StringerBell wrote: »

Is that supposed to be surprising though?

Its a contest every year between Messi and Ronaldo. I get his point, but the best/biggest team does not necessarily have the best individual players either. The unfortunate thing for the rest of the world is how many of the top 10 or so players in the world play for Barcelona/Madrid.

Do Munich, one of the biggest clubs in the world trouble the awards any more regularly then United?

Bayern, Juventus and PSG got a player each into the world 11.
With Barcelona and Real Madrid the rest.

StringerBell

beno619 wrote: »

Of late yes. In the past we would have had one or two players in the best 11.

Ok, who was the last Munich player to win a Baloon Door?

In the past? We have had 9 appearances in the world XI, and one of those was Di Maria. Ronaldo x 3, Vidic x 2, Rooney, Evra and Rio x 1 (Munich have still only had 8 in case you were wondering)

We haven't had anybody in it since 2011 (bar Di Maria)

Compare that to Barcelona (42) and Madrid (28) and I think you will agree we have never had a heavy regular presence there.

To further show that

2005- 0
2006- 0
2007- 1 Ronaldo
2008- 2 Rio and Ronaldo
2009- Our peak, 3 Vidic, Ronaldo, Evra
2010- 1 Ronaldo
2011- 2 Vidic, Rooney.
2012- 0
2013- 0
2014- 1 Di Maria, though we all know it wasn't anything to do with what he did at United.


PSG have more of a pedigree in the recent past having had 5 appearances since 2011.

We have not troubled the Fifpro team of the year for going on 5 years now really. The best players now play in Spain, with Munich hoovering up the best of the rest really. The teams who are successful have their players in it, De Gea has been every bit as good as if not better then Neuer but he won't make the team because Neuer wins trophies.

Its the same players getting in all the time for them also, Neuer, Lahm, and generally one of Ribery or Robben.

This year was just Neuer was it?

I dunno why I'm even typing, I am not actually sure what you are arguing with me about this time...

StringerBell

RobertKK wrote: »

Bayern, Juventus and PSG got a player each into the world 11.
With Barcelona and Real Madrid the rest.

Can you see a difference between those teams and United at the moment?

StringerBell

I should have been clearer maybe in the first post, when I said trouble the awards I was more talking of the actual Balon D'or, it is a contest between two guys each year. I never pay any attention to who gets voted into the Fifpro team of the year tbh. Having looked in to it further it doesn't seem to make Mittens point any more surprising though considering we haven't been in that team for years really.

Derby County away...hmmmm