Nazi memorabilia for sale in Dublin. Appropriate?

2011

I went to a second hand shop in Dublin yesterday, it mainly sells furniture. I was just browsing and unexpectedly found some WW2 bits and bobs of that I found interesting.

While rummaging I found some authentic looking German iron crosses, swastika type medals and badges and such like. There were also some old post cards of Adolf Hitler. Also included was some original (or so the notice on it claimed) signed doodles and notes by the Führer himself with a price tag on it of over €1,250. There were also a number of medals, badges and such like from the allied forces.

I have no objection to seeing this type of thing in a museum but I would be quite shocked to see it in someones home. In fact I find it quite offensive and I was surprised to see it for sale in a shop such as this.

According to this link:

You won’t find Nazi regalia on eBay and the heavy hitters of the UK auction world, Sotheby’s, Christies, and Bonhams, won’t handle it either.

I am reluctant to post the name of the shop, but it is well know for furniture and is not far from the city centre.

Is it just me or is selling Nazi memorabilia such as this entirely inappropriate?

Sheeps

grow up, they're historical artifacts.

s8n

what shop was it ?

the evasion_kid

some people dig the imagery but not the beliefs behind it, like lemmy from motorhead,he has an apartment full of the stuff

El Weirdo

s8n wrote: »

what shop was it ?

Reichsmarkland.

MaryAntoinette

Did you ring Joe op?

Pinch Flat

s8n wrote: »

what shop was it ?

Lidl?

Junkyard Tom

s8n wrote: »

what shop was it ?

Accessorize!

2011

MaryAntoinette wrote: »

Did you ring Joe op?

Not yet, but I am seriously considering it.

Sunnyisland

I heard that taxi app called hail is Nazi owned ?

Mint Aero

If I wasn't so full from biscuits and ham I'd be morally outraged. Bump the thread in the new year and ill act all pc and upset about it.

Menas

2011 wrote: »

Not yet, but I am seriously considering it.

Dont, it will just increase demand for these items and send the price up.

But as said above, they are just historical artefacts. Not too outrageous that they are on sale in dublin.

chillybilly

He said wearing his Che Guevara shirt.

MonkieSocks

Wonder are had they connections to

http://www.olddublintown.com/swastika-laundry.html

2011

Menas wrote: »

Not too outrageous that they are on sale in dublin.

Really? I had never seen items like this for sale before, it is not as if I went looking for them.

Wabbit Ears

Its history FFS. There's loads of people who are WW2 collectors who are not Nazi sympathisers. ( In fairness there are also loads of white collar Nazis around also)

2011

Menas wrote: »

Dont, it will just increase demand for these items and send the price up.

But as said above, they are just historical artefacts. Not too outrageous that they are on sale in dublin.

I was joking

2011

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Its history FFS. There's loads of people who are WW2 collectors who are not Nazi sympathisers. ( In fairness there are also loads of white collar Nazis around also)

Totally normal, sure.
I saw it on Father Ted :pac:

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realies wrote: »

I heard that taxi app called hail is Nazi owned ?

It's actually co-owned by an Irishman and a German. Hail'O

MonkieSocks

MaryAntoinette wrote: »

Did you ring Joe op?

“Joe Duffy doesn't do what Joe Duffy does for Joe Duffy,



Joe Duffy does what Joe Duffy does because Joe Duffy IS Joe Duffy”

josephryan1989

2011 wrote: »

I went to a second hand shop in Dublin yesterday, it mainly sells furniture. I was just browsing and unexpectedly found some WW2 bits and bobs of that I found interesting.

While rummaging I found some authentic looking German iron crosses, swastika type medals and badges and such like. There were also some old post cards of Adolf Hitler. Also included was some original (or so the notice on it claimed) signed doodles and notes by the Führer himself with a price tag on it of over €1,250. There were also a number of medals, badges and such like from the allied forces.

I have no objection to seeing this type of thing in a museum but I would be quite shocked to see it in someones home. In fact I find it quite offensive and I was surprised to see it for sale in a shop such as this.

According to this link:

I am reluctant to post the name of the shop, but it is well know for furniture and is not far from the city centre.

Is it just me or is selling Nazi memorabilia such as this entirely inappropriate?

Hitler's half brother Alois was working as a waiter in the Shelbourne when met Bridget Dowling at the Dublin Horse Show and married her in London the following year. Their son Patrick William Hitler was born in 1911. She claims that Adolf Hitler briefly stayed with them in England to avoid conscription into the Austrian Army. Patrick served in the US Army during WW2 and settled with his mother in US with his mother. Patrick Hitler had four sons in the America. Bridget died in 1967 and her son Patrick died in 1987. Three of Patrick's sons are still alive and well.

Oops69

You found an item with a signature with a price tag of over1k , I dint think you'd find an item with a value of 1k while "rummaging " , you're full of ****e I think .

ToddyDoody

I'd say it's fine. Lightening never strikes twice and do we even have many Jews in Ireland?

There was an article about a Kilkenny man who's daughter Bought him a birthday cake with the swastika on it. He simply admired the fashions, not the ideology!!

keeponhurling

"And would you have anything at all from the Allied side, Father?"

"No no, that wouldn't interest me at all at all"

FURET

2011 wrote: »

In fact I find it quite offensive and I was surprised to see it for sale in a shop such as this

You find it offensive and inappropriate. Well so bloody what? "I find it quite offensive" has become one of the most sanctimonious and obnoxious combinations of words in language today.

2011

Oops69 wrote: »

You found an item with a signature with a price tag of over1k , I dint think you'd find an item with a value of 1k while "rummaging " , you're full of ****e I think .

It is on display in a glass cabinet at the till along with lots of similar stuff.
I was actually looking for furniture and got sidetracked.
Are you suggesting that I am making this up?
If so why? Is this simply not credible?

experiMental

I was born in USSR and that country screwed me and millions of other people over. I still have a collection of Soviet coins, so it's perfectly fine owning memorabilia from repressive regimes.

MonkieSocks

I think I bought a Book from there once about Nazi Homosexuals.


Think it was called "Mien Camp"

In the 80s I had one if them old green German parkas with the flag of West Germany and the name of some German guy on the label.

Got into trouble with the fashion police loads of times. In fairness, there was no defence.

K.Flyer

2011 wrote: »

It is on display in a glass cabinet at the till along with lots of similar stuff.
I was actually looking for furniture and got sidetracked.
Are you suggesting that I am making this up?
If so why? Is this simply not credible?

Glass cabinet just inside the door on the left hand side?

2011

K.Flyer wrote: »

Glass cabinet just inside the door on the left hand side?

Yes.

Dtp1979

2011 wrote: »

It is on display in a glass cabinet at the till along with lots of similar stuff.
I was actually looking for furniture and got sidetracked.
Are you suggesting that I am making this up?
If so why? Is this simply not credible?

I was in Bulgaria a few years ago at a street market. There was loads of old nazi stuff there. From old helmets, to knives, medals etc. it is kinda eerie being so close to something that was so evil. Id agree with op. They shouldn't be on sale.

The_Valeyard

Historical artefacts. No problem with it.


Its hardly going to be placed over the mantel piece surrounded by an altar and burning fires.

2011

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I was in Bulgaria a few years ago at a street market. There was loads of old nazi stuff there. From old helmets, to knives, medals etc. it is kinda eerie being so close to something that was so evil. Id agree with op. They shouldn't be on sale.

Three pages of posts and one person agrees with me
I don't feel like such an old fart anymore :D

2011

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Its hardly going to be placed over the mantel piece surrounded by an altar and burning fires.

Well if you are the type of person that would pay €1,250 for something like that I wouldn't be so sure...

Turtyturd

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I was in Bulgaria a few years ago at a street market. There was loads of old nazi stuff there. From old helmets, to knives, medals etc. it is kinda eerie being so close to something that was so evil. Id agree with op. They shouldn't be on sale.

If the Germans won the war you'd feel the same about allied memorabilia.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Deleted User wrote: »

In the 80s I had one if them old green German parkas with the flag of West Germany and the name of some German guy on the label.

Got into trouble with the fashion police loads of times. In fairness, there was no defence.

But those parkas were in no way associated with Nazi Germany. The Swastika was the official flag of Germany under their rule

kylith

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I was in Bulgaria a few years ago at a street market. There was loads of old nazi stuff there. From old helmets, to knives, medals etc. it is kinda eerie being so close to something that was so evil. Id agree with op. They shouldn't be on sale.

Rubbish. The items are not evil. Things can't be evil. Even most of the people who wore them weren't evil. It's just history now, people collect it for all sorts of reasons.

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Dtp1979 wrote: »

They shouldn't be on sale.

Will we be sensoring anything else, a book burning perhaps?

super_furry

"I don't like it, so it should be banned!"

K.Flyer

2011 wrote: »

Yes.

I saw them as there well. We have an interest in WWII memorabilia, but really not sure how genuine the items are. If they are real, then to a collector of memorabilia they can be of great interest, but it doesn't mean that the person is a nazi sympathiser.

Dtp1979

kylith wrote: »

Rubbish. The items are not evil. Things can't be evil. Even most of the people who wore them weren't evil. It's just history now, people collect it for all sorts of reasons.

Of course items aren't evil. The people who owned them probably were. Only complete weirdos or creeps would collect such items

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Dtp1979 wrote: »

Of course items aren't evil. The people who owned them probably were. Only complete weirdos or creeps would collect such items

No more likely than the people reading this thread. Nazi items were ubiquitous.

2011

K.Flyer wrote: »

I saw them as there well.

No doubt Oops69 will think that you are "full of ****e" too

it doesn't mean that the person is a nazi sympathiser.

I accept that, but I would view Hitler doodles in the same way as KKK memorabilia.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

But those parkas were in no way associated with Nazi Germany. The Swastika was the official flag of Germany under their rule

Oh I know that. They just offended our eyes, not our sensitivities.

What were we thinking. They were miserable and grim looking things.

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

If the Germans won the war you'd feel the same about allied memorabilia.

BOOM there it is.

I know winners write the history but cmere to me now is there anything at all youd like to offer as a teeny tiny difference between axis and allied sides of the war, anything at all now, just to get the ball rolling?

Aside from the classic challenging opinion above, of course it's fine to display and sell this type of stuff. Free country isnt it? Ironically.

Dawn Rider

K.Flyer wrote: »

Glass cabinet just inside the door on the left hand side?

No, it's on the far right! 😉


(I'll get my coat...)

Avatar MIA

Deleted User wrote: »

BOOM there it is.

I know winners write the history but cmere to me now is there anything at all youd like to offer as a teeny tiny difference between axis and allied sides of the war, anything at all now, just to get the ball rolling?

Aside from the classic challenging opinion above, of course it's fine to display and sell this type of stuff. Free country isnt it? Ironically.

You're right, the Nazi't didn't firebomb Dresden or be the only ones in history to use Nuclear weapons in anger.

dandyelevan

Was in Clara Market (Offaly) last year and there was a stand selling German WW1, WW2 gear plus Military and Civilian medals, etc, all for a pittance.
There was a busy trade.

Dtp1979

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Of course items aren't evil. The people who owned them probably were. Only complete weirdos or creeps would collect such items

... The people wearing them probably weren't evil either. You can't really expect every soldier that the Germans had were these disgusting monsters, right?

Why wouldn't it be appropriate? You can't bury history and a lot of the items mentioned are of unbelievably high quality and extremely interesting designs, especially the Iron Cross.

suicide_circus

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