Nazi memorabilia for sale in Dublin. Appropriate?

kylith

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Of course items aren't evil. The people who owned them probably were. Only complete weirdos or creeps would collect such items

The people who owned most nazi uniforms and the like were most likely brainwashed conscripts.

The UK and US are full of Nazi memorabilia taken from fallen soldiers. They're more often collected as objects of interest, memoirs of a terrible time in history, or just 'things that look cool' than by neo-nazi sympathisers. You've heard the phrase about what happens to those who forget history, yeah?

2011

Deleted User wrote: »

... The people wearing them probably weren't evil either.

The people that wear these nowadays probably aren't the most pleasant....

Avatar MIA

Avatar MIA wrote: »

You're right, the Nazi't didn't firebomb Dresden or be the only ones in history to use Nuclear weapons in anger.

You appear hugely confused- the allies did both of those things, I believe.

kylith

kylith wrote: »

The people who owned most nazi uniforms and the like were most likely brainwashed conscripts.

The UK and US are full of Nazi memorabilia taken from fallen soldiers. They're more often collected as objects of interest, memoirs of a terrible time in history, or just 'things that look cool' than by neo-nazi sympathisers. You've heard the phrase about what happens to those who forget history, yeah?

Not even brainwashed, but possibly joined with a patriotic flourish. Same thing that happened in America after Pearl Harbour. And America absolutely did some disgusting things during that war too. Yet American military regalia aren't seen as being evil.

2011 wrote: »

The people that wear these nowadays probably aren't the most pleasant....

Absolutely. But wanting to own it because of the historical significance or interest in the design wouldn't necessarily make you a creep or a weirdo or a skinhead/neo-Nazi.

Avatar MIA

Deleted User wrote: »

You appear hugely confused- the allies did both of those things, I believe.

Erm... I know. That's why I said the Nazi's didn't do them. It was hardly the Eskimos.

mad muffin

Did warehouse 13 not teach us anything?

mad muffin

mad muffin wrote: »

Did warehouse 13 not teach us anything?

And Dead Snow. Don't steal Nazi gold. You'll get Nazi zombies after you.

Wibbs

2011 wrote: »

Really? I had never seen items like this for sale before, it is not as if I went looking for them.

That stuff is common enough. Big sellers the WW2 stuff, from all sides, though the German stuff is often better quality and more interesting looking. A lot of it is fake mind you.

I've got four wristwatches worn by serving members of oul Adolf's armed forces. Have the compass and altimeter from a Stuka shot down in the Battle of Britain. I've a tail wheel from one too. Better call the Society of the Delicate Offended Flowers of Eireann and hand myself in...

Oh and ebay does sell that stuff. I got two of the above watches from the site. Their nazi militaria section is enormous. What they don't allow is anything with the swastika on it. At least in photographs of the item being sold. Amazon will sell any amount of books on the period. Their "morality" is wafer thin.

Dtp1979

2011 wrote: »

The people that wear these nowadays probably aren't the most pleasant....

I'd always associate that kinda stuff with evil at its purest form. Jesus how messed up are people that buy that stuff.

topmanamillion

The allies made a pyramid out of dead German soldiers helmets in new York after the war. Good taste and war don't go together.
I'd have no problem with this kind of stuff as long as people who own it understand they have a duty to tell people the horrific story behind these pieces. I'd much rather walk into someone's house and notice a SS badge and have them tell me the story behind it as opposed to meet someone who's clueless about it all.
It's very worrying that the horrors of the concentration camps is being buried in school curriculums particularly in the UK.
If you fail to learn from the past you're bound to repeat the mistakes.

ClovenHoof

I see the SWP wave the same flags flown by Stalin and Mao when they murdered tens of millions and no one seems bothered.

2011

ClovenHoof wrote: »

I see the SWP wave the same flags flown by Stalin and Mao when they murdered tens of millions and no one seems bothered.

They don't seem to have quite the support nowadays that the third reich "enjoy".

Bonniedog

There is a Dublin restaurant called Mao (responsible for tens of millions of deaths), and people walk around wearing USSR tee shirts and Red Army paraphernalia.

If that is tolerated I don't see the problem with selling German WWII memorabilia. Both are equally as acceptable or abhorrent. There is no way you would be allowed call a restaurant 'Hitler'!

gman2k

Avatar MIA wrote:

You're right, the Nazi't didn't firebomb Dresden or be the only ones in history to use Nuclear weapons in anger.

Wartime Germany had a nuclear programme (as did Japan btw).
Luckily, a lot of the nuclear scientists were Jewish, so managed to escape to the West where their skills were used!
Nazi laws against Jews in academia forced them out of Germany and their satellite states.
The remaining nuclear research in Germany mistakenly concentrated on heavy water, which is not suitable for weapon development.

Avatar MIA

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Erm... I know. That's why I said the Nazi's didn't do them. It was hardly the Eskimos.

Oh right, just that your post seems to say they didn't.

Bonniedog

topmanamillion wrote: »

It's very worrying that the horrors of the concentration camps is being buried in school curriculums particularly in the UK.

Well we don't want to be seen as 'Islamophobic' or 'pro Zionist'

2011

Wibbs wrote: »

I've got four wristwatches worn by serving members of oul Adolf's armed forces. Have the compass and altimeter from a Stuka shot down in the Battle of Britain. I've a tail wheel from one too.

I would view a person that collects this a little differently than someone that wears a swastika, a KKK badge or pays over €1,000 for a piece of paper just because Adolf Hitler scribbled on it.

Would you pay that sort of money for that piece of paper (assuming you knew it to be authentic)?

padd b1975

chillybilly wrote: »

He said wearing his Che Guevara shirt.

......with Call of Duty on pause.

Orangebrigade

If it was Soviet Union and Marxist memorabilia I doubt this thread would have been created. Infact you see such merchandise on hats etc a lot and nothing is said. They only murdered millions of people and persecuted people much longer than the Nazi regime.

Dyr

Wibbs wrote: »

Have the compass and altimeter from a Stuka shot down in the Battle of Britain. I've a tail wheel from one too.

Any idea what staffel/gruppe/geschwader it was from?

Billy86

It makes perfect sense why big companies like eBay, etc would not cover Nazi memorabilia, but in a smaller place like the OP was in there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Yeah they were one of the worst things, if not the worst thing, in the entire history of civilization and politics, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with selling their memorabilia etc, rather than trying to keep them 'out of sight, out of mind'.

dandyelevan

In the 1970s there was a PLO Office in Dublin while that same organisation of 'dishcloth-headed bastards' were busy kidnapping & murdering Irish soldiers in Lebanon and hi-jacking aeroplanes to Cuba.
Don't remember anyone in Ireland being outraged by its presence.
But then, we Irish are a selective lot in our outrageousness!

MonkieSocks

Wibbs wrote: »

I've got four wristwatches worn by serving members of oul Adolf's armed forces. Have the compass and altimeter from a Stuka shot down in the Battle of Britain. I've a tail wheel from one too. Better call the Society of the Delicate Offended Flowers of Eireann and hand myself in...

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My granddad (RIP) used to have an old WW2 War compass that made for German Officers.

He got it from an imprisoned Pilot that crashed in Ireland and was interred in the Curragh Camp during the war

It was made by a company called “Tates” in Southern Bavaria.

My Granddad often used that compass a lot when he would go on country walks.


He always got lost.


That’s when he came up with the phrase.








He who has a “Tates“ is Lost

Saipanne

2011 wrote: »

I went to a second hand shop in Dublin yesterday, it mainly sells furniture. I was just browsing and unexpectedly found some WW2 bits and bobs of that I found interesting.

While rummaging I found some authentic looking German iron crosses, swastika type medals and badges and such like. There were also some old post cards of Adolf Hitler. Also included was some original (or so the notice on it claimed) signed doodles and notes by the Führer himself with a price tag on it of over €1,250. There were also a number of medals, badges and such like from the allied forces.

I have no objection to seeing this type of thing in a museum but I would be quite shocked to see it in someones home. In fact I find it quite offensive and I was surprised to see it for sale in a shop such as this.

According to this link:

xxc ggbXxcI am reluctant to post the name of the shop, but it is well know for furniture and is not far from the city centre.

Is it just me or is selling Nazi memorabiligya such as this entirely inappropriate?

Sweet mother of fück, do you people go around the place constantly looking for things to be offended by?

Get. A. Life.

darkpagandeath

You are not doing sex right if someone is not dressed in an SS uniform.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh I know that. They just offended our eyes, not our sensitivities.

What were we thinking. They were miserable and grim looking things.

I always thought they were kind of cool looking. You still see a few heads around wearing them today.:pac:

Wibbs

2011 wrote: »

Would you pay that sort of money for that piece of paper (assuming you knew it to be authentic)?

Nah, autographs never interested me TBH. Unless it's on a valid cheque. Monet on a painting would be acceptable too.

I wouldn't mind one of Hitler's architectural paintings actually. Contrary to popular he wasn't that bad(couldn't do people though).

Bambi wrote: »

Any idea what staffel/gruppe/geschwader it was from?

I have it written down somewhere alright, but god knows where. I'm 99% positive it was from the big RAF Tangmere raid. I've original photos taken from the rear gunner position of that raid too. Not exactly action shots, just flying along sorta thing. I have some more action shots of JU87's from Russia and the Mediterranean though.

Billy86 wrote: »

It makes perfect sense why big companies like eBay, etc would not cover Nazi memorabilia

As I pointed out they do. And lots of it. So long as you don't show a pic of a swastika you can get all sorts of WW2 German military and civilian stuff. The stuff is everywhere.

Actually for the more nerdy out there, the first guy who played the "new" Doctor Who reboot back in the mid noughties was wearing a German navy jacket, original one too. He looked like a U-Boat sailor.

Nodin

2011 wrote: »

I went to a second hand shop in Dublin yesterday, it mainly sells furniture. I was just browsing and unexpectedly found some WW2 bits and bobs of that I found interesting.

While rummaging I found some authentic looking German iron crosses, swastika type medals and badges and such like. There were also some old post cards of Adolf Hitler. Also included was some original (or so the notice on it claimed) signed doodles and notes by the Führer himself with a price tag on it of over €1,250. There were also a number of medals, badges and such like from the allied forces.

I have no objection to seeing this type of thing in a museum but I would be quite shocked to see it in someones home. In fact I find it quite offensive and I was surprised to see it for sale in a shop such as this.

According to this link:

I am reluctant to post the name of the shop, but it is well know for furniture and is not far from the city centre.

Is it just me or is selling Nazi memorabilia such as this entirely inappropriate?

Is this a joke?

MRnotlob606

I have an Austrian world war II Fox-hole digging shovel at home, I am not a Nazi sympathiser, I just collect military memorabilia. I also have an American GI helmet from world war II.If you are offended by inanimate objects, then I guess you're trying really hard to be offended.

Wibbs

MonkieSocks wrote: »

My granddad (RIP) used to have an old WW2 War compass that made for German Officers.

He got it from an imprisoned Pilot that crashed in Ireland and was interred in the Curragh Camp during the war

It was made by a company called “Tates” in Southern Bavaria.

My Granddad often used that compass a lot when he would go on country walks.


He always got lost.


That’s when he came up with the phrase.








He who has a “Tates“ is Lost

Oh god. Oh and here's my real German pilots compass. Made in what was Czechoslovakia. I actually looked again to see the maker's name. :pac:

Specialun

I know we owe the germans a fair chunk of cash but this is still ok

Billy86

Wibbs wrote: »

As I pointed out they do. And lots of it. So long as you don't show a pic of a swastika you can get all sorts of WW2 German military and civilian stuff. The stuff is everywhere.

Cheers, I just read the OP, took their word on it and replied. Still, I could understand why a company that size would refuse to sell something like Nazi memorabilia if they decided to at any point. Wouldn't necessarily agree with it, but I would understand.

But I think we can (almost) all agree that attempting to ban the sale of Nazi memorabilia is silly.

MonkieSocks

For the time of the year it is,


Why don't we all just sing "Stille Nacht" and make peace for a while

Collie D

Came across a bunch of this stuff on a recent trip to Sarajevo. No idea if real or not. Also had a lot of items from their own conflict such as helmets and a Jihadi insignia.

Kind of interesting

steddyeddy

s8n wrote: »

what shop was it ?

Reichmark and Spencer's.

smileyj1987

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Lidl?

Did Nazi that coming

Billy86

steddyeddy wrote: »

Reichmark and Spencer's.

Not sure if you're aware, but the best part of this is that Michael Marks was a Jew.

A Polish Jew!

:pac:

2011

Nodin wrote: »

Is this a joke?

Not entirely.
In all honesty I was not "offended" (as I stated in my opening post). But if I said how I truly felt the thread would have died a death quite rapidly

I was more surprised than shocked. It is not the type of stuff that I associate with that type of shop TBH and I am not a particular fan of the third reich.

As an engineer I can appreciate the items that Wibbs owns. I have even shot an original WW2 luger and was particularly impressed by it. Although I tend to avoid people that collect Nazi memorabilia and have swastikas tattooed on them

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

There is a Dublin restaurant called Mao (responsible for tens of millions of deaths), and people walk around wearing USSR tee shirts and Red Army paraphernalia.

If that is tolerated I don't see the problem with selling German WWII memorabilia. Both are equally as acceptable or abhorrent. There is no way you would be allowed call a restaurant 'Hitler'!

The fact that Mao is a restaurant that specializes in Asian foods made me laugh so hard. It's like opening one that specializes in German food and calling it Adolf's!

Nodin

2011 wrote: »

Not entirely.
In all honesty I was not "offended" (as I stated in my opening post). But if I said how I truly felt the thread would have died a death quite rapidly

I was more surprised than shocked. It is not the type of stuff that I associate with that type of shop TBH and I am not a particular fan of the third reich.

As an engineer I can appreciate the items that Wibbs owns. I have even shot an original WW2 luger and was particularly impressed by it. Although I tend to avoid people that collect Nazi memorabilia and have swastikas tattooed on them

You do realise that the former and the latter are not nessecarily related?

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

The fact that Mao is a restaurant that specializes in Asian foods made me laugh so hard. It's like opening one that specializes in German food and calling it Adolph's!

I give that 7 Marx out of 10 :pac:

2011

Nodin wrote: »

You do realise that the former and the latter are not nessecarily related?

It had occurred to me yes.
Nonetheless I tend to avoid those people.

Whosthis

2011 wrote: »

TBH and I am not a particular fan of the third reich.

The third Reich is always difficult but you're right, I much prefer the first two myself.

2011

Whosthis wrote: »

The third Reich is always difficult but you're right, I much prefer the first two myself.

Thanks, you have the honour of being the second person to agree with me on this thread

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I give that 7 Marx out of 10 :pac:

Get out, Reich now.

Buona Fortuna

OP were you Christmas shopping?

suicide_circus

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You are not doing sex right if someone is not dressed in an SS uniform.

http://orig14.deviantart.net/ff93/f/2012/237/7/5/my_little_nazi_by_lahmattea-d5cdftg.jpg

2011

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

OP were you Christmas shopping?

Yes.

I once met a girl whose father was actually a Nazi soldier. This was a few years back, so I'm sure he's dead by now, but I would have absolutely loved to have talked to him about it. You often hear stories from the Allies, but never from the other side as such, unless they're made out to be evil and villains. It would have been really interesting to actually hear what he had to say.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Obviously with all this merchandise for sale it must this mean Father Seamus Fitzpatrick has died which is tough to learn of at this time of year.