6N 2016 - build-up thread

Yeah_Right

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I found this today actually which is quite interesting, it's this site's ranking of different positions based on statistics

http://www.rugby.net/s/jar5vvv5Bwm

It's possible the weightings are ludicriously out of touch but I think it shows a fair bit that Warburton was number 1 until this week's game (and he's still number 2 despite the injury). His accuracy and workrate is just so consistently excellent, he's a machine.

Stats are great. And they tell part of the story. Like I said, he's very good but not great. There are quite a few I'd pick over him.

Rugbymad96

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He's the best in the NH as far as I'm concerned, not many close to him south of the equator either, especially outside Oz. I can't stop watching him when he's playing for Wales.

Marcel Coetzee is levels above him

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I found this today actually which is quite interesting, it's this site's ranking of different positions based on statistics

http://www.rugby.net/s/jar5vvv5Bwm

It's possible the weightings are ludicriously out of touch but I think it shows a fair bit that Warburton was number 1 until this week's game (and he's still number 2 despite the injury). His accuracy and workrate is just so consistently excellent, he's a machine.

Cool site.

Here's the methodology behind the numbers

http://www.rugby.net/s/PmRJ9d8M2P7#Content:contentId=5171798064758784

Fair bit of arbitrary stuff (rating T14 10% above Pro12, and Test games 100% above) as expected, but open about it which is useful!

neelia11

Deleted User wrote: »

Cool site.

Here's the methodology behind the numbers

Fair bit of arbitrary stuff (rating T14 10% above Pro12, and Test games 100% above) as expected, but open about it which is useful!

handy for warburton when he only plays internationals

irishbucsfan

Rugbymad96 wrote: »

Marcel Coetzee is levels above him

I wouldnt say so

neelia11

England: M Brown, A Watson, J Joseph, O Farrell, J Nowell, G Ford, D Care, M Vunipola, D Hartley, D Cole, M Itoje, G Kruis, C Robshaw, J Haskell, B Vunipola.

Replacements: L Cowan-Dickie, J Marler, K Brookes, J Launchbury, J Clifford, B Youngs, M Tuilagi, E Daly.

pickarooney

My XV for the tournament so far

McGrath--Guirado--Lee
Kruis--Itoje
Stander--Warburton
B. Vunipola

G. Davies
Sexton

Seymour Roberts Joseph Watson
Hogg

swiwi_

I reckon my compatriot had been more than decent at 7 for the scots. Better than warburton anyway IMO.

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I found this today actually which is quite interesting, it's this site's ranking of different positions based on statistics

http://www.rugby.net/s/jar5vvv5Bwm

It's possible the weightings are ludicriously out of touch but I think it shows a fair bit that Warburton was number 1 until this week's game (and he's still number 2 despite the injury). His accuracy and workrate is just so consistently excellent, he's a machine.

It's cumulative over all their games though?

By that rating, VDF is head and shoulders above everyone - most are averaging 5 - 600 per game, he's 7 - 800+

irishbucsfan

Deleted User wrote: »

It's cumulative over all their games though?

By that rating, VDF is head and shoulders above everyone - most are averaging 5 - 600 per game, he's 7 - 800+

No, not cumulative

http://www.rugby.net/s/AWdey7XLdLR#Tx:c=5126282366943232&s=6384473708953600&g=4813059004563456&m=5386381035569152&q=4909169903665152

He had 898 against Italy.

The scores are made to average out to 500 for every player who played in the game (including replacements). They're far from perfect but an interesting index of combined statistics.

Bazzo

Interesting website. I'll take it with a grain of salt or two as I do pretty much all stats but Buckley's weekly rankings among the pro12 props are also impressive.

pickarooney

Italy Wales. Anyone care? Will Italy keep them to double figures?

Bazzo

pickarooney wrote: »

Italy Wales. Anyone care? Will Italy keep them to double figures?

Only because I have a treble on Wales -35, Ireland -7, England -7...

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

pickarooney wrote: »

Italy Wales. Anyone care? Will Italy keep them to double figures?

Really a dull final day. Especially when compared to the last 2 years.

Yeah_Right

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Really a dull final day. Especially when compared to the last 2 years.

True. But it's still a great excuse to sit around and drink beer.

And avoid going to visit the OH's parents

pickarooney

Yeah_Right wrote: »

True. But it's still a great excuse to sit around and drink beer.

And avoid going to visit the OH's parents

Not much fun around at the Sexton's?

mfceiling

pickarooney wrote: »

Not much fun around at the Sexton's?

I see what you did there!!

Yeah_Right

pickarooney wrote: »

Not much fun around at the Sexton's?

Nah they're as grumpy as he is.

neelia11

Kicking stats compared to 2009 6n


[2015] v 2009
[117] 181 - Italy
[131] 174 - Ireland
[170] 173 - England *
[172] 146 - Wales *
[135] 137 - France
[149] 133 - Scotland


* Cant find details for Wales v England [2009]
so took an average of the 4 games I could.

paulie21

Rte team of tournament

Hogg
North
Joseph
Farrell
Watson
Sexton
Murray

McGrath
Guirado
Nel
Itoje
Kruis
Stander
Hardie
Vunipola

errlloyd

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. - Mark Twain

So lets see what random things the stats tell us that we may not have expected. The top tacklers are easy, and interesting enough.

Tackles
J. Hardie 68
T. Faletau 64
J. Haskell 63
G. Kruis 58
F. Minto 58

But who made the most tackles without missing? Many of you would guess J.Gray, and you'd be right if he'd played another game (I assume), but actually, it was Zanni!

Tackles without missing
A. Zanni 57
J. Gray 52
L. Charteris 34
B. Davies 31
Y. Camara 25

And the bad guys - Who missed the most? Bad news if you were one of the many news outlets that had these three guys in your "lions team of the tournament".

Player Tackles Missed Tackles Percent
W. Nel 13 70%
O. Farrell 12 79%
D. Hartley 11 77%

Talking about carrys is popular, I don't actually have the stats, but I do have "droppings" - sorry, is that a little rude. If you're a back 3 player who does that thing where you "knock on" instead of catching an offensive up and under to spoil the opposition possession then I guess you're going to score highly. Which explains some of this. But if your second name is Davies you have some explaining to do.

Player Knock On
T. Seymour 8
A. Trimble 7
M. Brown 7
Jonathan Davies 6
L. Williams 6
M. Bellini 6
J. Hardie 5
L. Sarto 5
G. Ford 5
D. Chouly 5
G. Davies 5


So some people made a lot of yards....

Player Metres Gained
G. North 444
M. Brown 400
S. Hogg 381
V. Vakatawa 329
B. Vunipola 316
A. Watson 279
L. Williams 278
S. Parisse 256
R. Henshaw 256
S. Zebo 230

But if you make a sum to ask "how many yards to you make, per knock on" you get a different looking list. (I feel the list is unfair on Heaslip and Spedding, who get the same score as if they'd made 1 knock on, maybe it should be value plus 1 or something).

Player Metres Gained Knock On Metres Per knock
S. Parisse 256 1 256
S. Hogg 381 2 191
S. Spedding 186 0 186
B. Vunipola 316 2 158
G. North 444 3 148
J. Joseph 138 1 138
J. Heaslip 131 0 131
R. Henshaw 256 2 128
G. Garcia 128 1 128
S. Zebo 230 2 115

Alas, the stats I have are reasonably limited, there is little more I could tell you without having some info about line breaks and defenders beaten. But it is interesting how a player like Hardie can mix the good and bad so much.

He made the most tackles of anyone, and missed the most tackles of anyone. He won the highest amount of ball of any Backrow, and knocked on the most times of anyone. He made the same amount of yards with ball in hand as David Denton, who played 240 fewer minutes.

He had a great championship, he was huge for Scotland, but he needs to train with J.Gray more and iron out those errors. He wouldn't start under Joe.

pickarooney

The Belfast Telegraph's Team of the Tournament is a word for word copy of the ITV/RBS one except they swapped out Biggar for Sexton.