Black Monday - Head Coach changes 2016

JCTO

I would like to sit down with Jackson and find out what train of thought he has for the team he chose. Did he feel he has a better template to start fresh without the pressures of instant success or did the thought of taking teams with better rosters scare him or did the Browns just promise him the sun moon and stars and a pocket full of green.

Same with every coach you always got to wonder if they had multiple options why they settled on the one they did.

adrian522

JCTO wrote: »

I would like to sit down with Jackson and find out what train of thought he has for the team he chose. Did he feel he has a better template to start fresh without the pressures of instant success or did the thought of taking teams with better rosters scare him or did the Browns just promise him the sun moon and stars and a pocket full of green.

Same with every coach you always got to wonder if they had multiple options why they settled on the one they did.

I've heard it said that the browns may have been willing to give him some degree of control over personnel decisions, where in SF that would almost certainly not have been offered.

All rumours though from people who have no idea what was discussed.

helimachoptor

didnt even interview with the Titans, a lot of fans were very high on him

adrian522

Adam Shefter was on Philadelphia radio today discussing the various vacancies, his thoughts below:

Eagles: He thinks they're looking for a long-term option, which would not be Tom Coughlin, given his age. He thinks Ben McAdoo might be the favorite.

Giants: He handicaps Doug Marrone as the favorite. He said the Giants want to find a head coach who has head coaching experience. That would limit them to Marrone and Mike Smith at this point. They could change their mind, which would keep McAdoo in the picture. He did mention Steve Spagnuolo, but did not think he was a likely option.

Titans: He said they are planning on hiring a general manager first, and want that done by the end of the week.

Bucs: He pointed to their interest in Dirk Koetter, but said the 49ers are also interested, and Koetter is likely to end up as HC either way by the end of this process.

49ers: Doesn't believe that Chip Kelly will end up an NFL HC job this year.

helimachoptor

Expectation that the titans will likely hire a GM tomorrow, they are interviewing Mularkey and Marrone tomorrow, so the writers expect a deal is 99% done with a GM candidate

eagle eye

I think Mike Smith would be a good fit for the Giants. He seems like a very good head coach and I think the Falcons fell into the trap of thinking they were better than they were when they fired him. He took over a really bad franchise and made them good but unfortunately for him they had to deal with the Sean Payton and Drew Brees at their best while he was there.

I think he will do a good job wherever he lands next.

Mike Shanahan being strongly linked with the 49ers job again. It'd be interesting to see how he does if he goes there. RGIII might end up there if he takes the job.

glued

McAdoo will be the Giants HC with Joe Philbin as OC.

helimachoptor

Looking like the Titans will hrie Jon Robinson from the Buccs as GM, however some rumours leaking out that all of the rejected candidates said no to mike mularkey as HC which is why they didnt get the job

KrustyUCC

glued wrote: »

McAdoo will be the Giants HC with Joe Philbin as OC.

I'm very underwhelmed at this appointment

I hope it works out but strange to get rid of TC yet promote Mc who has 0 HC experience and keep Spags as well

With keeping Reece that is basically saying TC was the only problem last year

glued

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'm very underwhelmed at this appointment

I hope it works out but strange to get rid of TC yet promote Mc who has 0 HC experience and keep Spags as well

With keeping Reece that is basically saying TC was the only problem last year

The Giants wanted to keep McAdoo no matter what. Eli has reportedly approached Mara and Tisch numerous times about keeping McAdoo and appointing an offensive guy like Marrone would have surely been the end of McAdoo as OC. I have to say I wasn't that impressed with McAdoo and wouldn't be as convinced by him as an OC but the Eagles were going to hire him so he must be impressing a couple of people.

I think ultimately Eli got his way here. Keeping Spags is a mistake but I would expect major improvements next year from the Giants. With Reese's job on the line and potentially $50~ in cap room I would expect Reese to be very aggressive in free agency and the draft.

KrustyUCC

I hope you are right

No 1 we need to get the draft right this year with all pick contributing next year

I hope JR can find value in FA as we have a lot of holes to fill

helimachoptor

Robinson looks to be signed, however seems almost certain Mularkey will be coach

adrian522

The 49ers are set to decide between Mike Shanahan and Chip Kelly for the next head coach.

helimachoptor

Hue Jacksons wants the titans assistant defense coordinator to take over the Browns D, no news yet on whether he'll be granted permission

jack presley

Tom Coughlin has withdrawn his name for consideration for the Eagles job according to Adam Schefter

jack presley

jack presley wrote: »

Tom Coughlin has withdrawn his name for consideration for the Eagles job according to Adam Schefter

Thank god

krustydoyle

Giants QB Coach Mike Sullivan is to be promoted to Giants OC and Joe Philbin will take up another role within the team

jack presley

Chip Kelly's got the 49ers job. Also according to Scheffer

adrian522

So Chip it is, not overly excited but preferable to Shanahan I think. Baalke's last hire, if this doesn't go well they'll both be out.

Interesting to see what happens with Kaepernick now. Anyway,onwards.

adrian522

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/687710172689641472

This makes no sense, if they wanted Jackson should have made a move for him surely.

Realt Dearg Sec

adrian522 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/687710172689641472

This makes no sense, if they wanted Jackson should have made a move for him surely.

Implication seems to be they never wanted Jackson, we're just biding time till Kelly came on board?

adrian522

Then they should have hired him last week, why all the waiting around for Jackson to make his decision?

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/687710998283841536

ScummyMan

Kaepernick will be Kelly's wet dream

JaMarcusHustle

How much control will Kelly have? Seems like San Fran is the wrong place to go if he wanted to be the main man, though adrian correct me if I'm wrong on that one...

adrian522

He wont have any control at all really, Trent Baalke will have the final say on all personnel decisions. I guess as the HC he would be involved in discussions on what to do in the draft or what to do with Kap but Baalke will have the final say.

That is my understanding. I guess with this hire Kap's chances of being on the roster next season went from zero to slightly above zero.

Still not sure they will be paying him $19m next year but I also don''t think they should reach for a QB in round one if the Browns take Goff for example.

Itssoeasy

adrian522 wrote: »

He wont have any control at all really, Trent Baalke will have the final say on all personnel decisions. I guess as the HC he would be involved in discussions on what to do in the draft or what to do with Kap but Baalke will have the final say.

That is my understanding. I guess with this hire Kap's chances of being on the roster next season went from zero to slightly above zero.

Still not sure they will be paying him $19m next year but I also don''t think they should reach for a QB in round one if the Browns take Goff for example.

yeah that's what howie roseman thought as well Adrian. And that worked out so well.

adrian522

Time will tel I guess, but Harbaugh was fired for apparently seeking to much say.

Tom Gamble is in the 49ers FO now who was with him in Philly too, so have to see how it plays out.

I think it is understood that Kelly didn't have a very good record on the personnel side of things so I'd assume he will be HC only in SF.

jack presley

Apparently Coughlin withdrew from the Eagles gig because a lot of his staff are still under contract with the Giants and staying on with McAdoo.

Paully D

Chip Kelly with the 49ers will be hilarious.

There's just no way on earth he'll be able to handle not having full control over personnel decisions and that's before we even get into discussing the changes in his coaching style that are needed to give himself half a chance in a locker room.

It'll end in tears. A crazy, crazy hire.

adrian522

Who would you have gone with? Doesn't seem to be much alternatives that I can see.

He did go 10-6 twice in Philly. Boom or bust appointment for sure though.

KrustyUCC

Livia Delicious Beagle wrote: »

Thank god

+1

paulie21

Eagles have hired Chiefs OC Doug Pederson as their new HC

krustydoyle

Eagles to hire Chiefs OC Doug Pederson as their new HC

Paully D

Paully D wrote: »

Chip Kelly with the 49ers will be hilarious.

There's just no way on earth he'll be able to handle not having full control over personnel decisions and that's before we even get into discussing the changes in his coaching style that are needed to give himself half a chance in a locker room.

It'll end in tears. A crazy, crazy hire.

I disagree kaps ability to run will be huge in the offence his arm strength could work against him but chip ruined his offence trying to compensate for a non running qb

paulie21

paulie21 wrote: »

Eagles have hired Chiefs OC Doug Pederson as their new HC

Best left I guess not really sure what to make of him as it seems big red called the plays in kc and the offence was super convervative also rieds ocs have not really worked out as head coaches before (harbaugh was special teams and Rivera and McDermott where both dcs) I'd rather have kept chip to be honest hope to god I'm wrong though and pederson has my full support lets go eagles

paulie21

As expected the Buccs have promoted Dirk Koetter to HC

jack presley

Jim Caldwell staying on in Detroit. A good decision I think

Is it just Tennessee left then?

helimachoptor

jack presley wrote: »

Jim Caldwell staying on in Detroit. A good decision I think



Is it just Tennessee left then?

Think so, and it looks all but certain we're keeping Mularkey

the baby bull elephant

Think keeping Caldwell is probably the right decision, the players seem to love playing for him and it could have a positive influence on Johnson.

Silver-Tiger

My Browns crushing the off-season again

I am delighted with the Hire though. Can't believe we got someone in demand and not the scraps of what is left over. Jackson will bring a bit of fire to the table as opposed to the passiveness of Pettine, Shurmur, Chud.

After watching him on Hard Knocks, i can't believe how well he carries himself. His presser was unbelievably impressive. I think he has a chance of getting J Gordon back onside and might actually attract a name or two that will play for him.

I'd imagine Billy Manziel will be shipped away now as well which being honest i'll be a little sad about. But the guy is a mope.

This is it for me and the Browns. Last Chance. After getting sucked into them in 09 when i started watching. It's been a tough slog. Countless hours having my heart broke by them. Many fights with the other half about watching them and not doing other plans we had, many euros spent on game pass and i even wasted money seeing them live. I am tired of the pain but they have me back for one more .. well maybe two more years to see this Jackson era out.

Cmon Hue, Haslam, Sachi and Podesta. Turn the factory around once and for all.

adrian522

Interesting stat, since the NFL/AFL merger in 1970, Chip Kelly is only the 2nd 49ers head coach to get the job having previous experience as an NFL head coach.

Itssoeasy

May I just say that anyone on this board who picked the browns as their team of their OWN FREE WILL then I tip my cap to ye. The browns are the nfl's answer to the green party.

Itssoeasy

Also I see that the new bucs HC and former OC dirk koetter is humbled by being given the job. I am right in thinking he basically shafted lovie smith to make way for himself ?

Itssoeasy

adrian522 wrote: »

Interesting stat, since the NFL/AFL merger in 1970, Chip Kelly is only the 2nd 49ers head coach to get the job having previous experience as an NFL head coach.

I must be on the first coaches after the merger adrian as just going through the 49ers HC's in my head that I know, none of them had head coach experience.

Realt Dearg Sec

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Also I see that the new bucs HC and former OC dirk koetter is humbled by being given the job. I am right in thinking he basically shafted lovie smith to make way for himself ?

Well, they fired Lovie over the phone, so nothing would surprise me. You'd have to wish ill on the franchise for doing something as cowardly as that. I hope it bites them in the ass when it comes to trying to hire people in the future (not to mention that Lovie was doing pretty well, but given that the Bears managed to fire him after a 10-6 season, he's probably used to getting shafted at this stage)

helimachoptor

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Well, they fired Lovie over the phone, so nothing would surprise me. You'd have to wish ill on the franchise for doing something as cowardly as that. I hope it bites them in the ass when it comes to trying to hire people in the future (not to mention that Lovie was doing pretty well, but given that the Bears managed to fire him after a 10-6 season, he's probably used to getting shafted at this stage)

Rumour is the Koetter went to the ownership/president with something that ultimately got him fired, only a rumour though

adrian522

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I must be on the first coaches after the merger adrian as just going through the 49ers HC's in my head that I know, none of them had head coach experience.

It was Dennis Erickson (2003-04), who had previously coached Seattle. This is of course not counting Jim Tomsula who was interim coach for 1 game after Singletary got the sack in 2010.

Itssoeasy

adrian522 wrote: »

It was Dennis Erickson (2003-04), who had previously coached Seattle. This is of course not counting Jim Tomsula who was interim coach for 1 game after Singletary got the sack in 2010.

Ah right. I was trying to answer it the old way without the interweb. For some reason his name didn't register.

helimachoptor

Titans DC ray Horton is interviewing tomorrow for the top job

helimachoptor

Joe Philbin is now the OL coach for the Colts