Black Monday - Head Coach changes 2016

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helimachoptor wrote: »

Joe Philbin is now the OL coach for the Colts

Jaysus, a day is a long time in the NFL. He was offensive coordinator in new York yesterday.

helimachoptor

on the colts official twitter, big drop down for him

JCTO

helimachoptor wrote: »

on the colts official twitter, big drop down for him

Back where he belongs. That is a good move by the Colts he is a very good OL coach.

adrian522

I see Jackson is not hiring an OC, seems a strange move, I get he'll call the plays himself but I would have thought an OC would also be needed?

But given what happened to Lovie and Coughlin maybe he's better off without one!

glued

JCTO wrote: »

Back where he belongs. That is a good move by the Colts he is a very good OL coach.

That's always been his specialty. IIRC McCarthy called the plays in Green Bay when Philbin was OC. I think the Giants wanted to do the same, ie install him as OC, let McAdoo call the plays and allow Philbin to work with the OL but the Giants promoted Sullivan instead and kept Flaherty as the OL coach. I think he's very well regarded for his work with the OL. Good call from Indy, now all they need to do is supply Philbin with players to work with to stop Luck from getting crushed every down!

glued

adrian522 wrote: »

I see Jackson is not hiring an OC, seems a strange move, I get he'll call the plays himself but I would have thought an OC would also be needed?

But given what happened to Lovie and Coughlin maybe he's better off without one!

I think the Giants problem was that Mara will do just about anything Eli tells him to do. Eli kept Gilbride in a job for a long time despite his obvious limitations and according to some of the NY beat writers he had met Mara and Tisch to express his desire to keep working with McAdoo. If McAdoo left Eli would have to learn a new offence and I don't think he was happy to do that.

Although I still think what happened to Coughlin was cruel as he seems to be the only one taking the blame for the Giants failures when Reese has had a far more significant role in our failures as he's been a poor GM. Coughlin won two SB with pretty average rosters. I think it was time for a change but Reese and a lot of that coaching staff should have gone too. Sure Spags kept his job despite breaking records for some of the worst defence in NFL history!

helimachoptor

Seems the Titans have finished HC interviews

Mularkey
Marrone
Ray Horton
Lions DC Austin

Rapoport reporting all planned interviews are done, there still is some chat about McDaniels but he has said he's not interviewing while the Pats are in the playoffs

Silver-Tiger

Who would you like HC?

Horton coming back to Cleveland if he's not offered the job.
I'd like that.

helimachoptor

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Who would you like HC?

Horton coming back to Cleveland if he's not offered the job.
I'd like that.

If he's not i would expect him to ask to be released, Jackson had already said he'd love to have him.

Probably McDaniels if i'm honest, he's not tainted by the **** thats been going on the the last couple of years.

No guarantee he's the best, but he would give us a fresh start

Silver-Tiger

Schefter reporting that Mularkey is in.

helimachoptor

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Schefter reporting that Mularkey is in.

Yep look likes a done deal

eagle eye

So everybody hiring OC's as head coaches. It like they just haven't a clue what they are at when you consider that the two most successful head coaches over the last five years were both DC's before they were head coaches.

That's Belichick and Carroll in case anybody doesn't know.

glued

eagle eye wrote: »

So everybody hiring OC's as head coaches. It like they just haven't a clue what they are at when you consider that the two most successful head coaches over the last five years were both DC's before they were head coaches.

That's Belichick and Carroll in case anybody doesn't know.

That's a stupid argument considering 4 former offensive coordinators have won the last 10 Superbowls along with 1 special teams coach and 4 of the last 8 currently are former offensive coordinators. The suggestion that they haven't a clue just doesn't hold any water whatsoever. Preposterous suggestion tbh.

adrian522

glued wrote: »

That's a stupid argument considering 4 former offensive coordinators have won the last 10 Superbowls along with 1 special teams coach and 4 of the last 8 currently are former offensive coordinators. The suggestion that they haven't a clue just doesn't hold any water whatsoever. Preposterous suggestion tbh.

Agree, pretty stupid to say no one should hire offensive minded head coaches because Bellichek and Carroll were defensive guys.

Pyjamarama

adrian522 wrote: »

Agree, pretty stupid to say no one should hire offensive minded head coaches because Bellichek and Carroll were defensive guys.

Yeah the best two qbs in the league weren't taken with the 1st overall pick in the draft so why bother ever taking one there... ludicrous argument.

eagle eye

glued wrote: »

That's a stupid argument considering 4 former offensive coordinators have won the last 10 Superbowls along with 1 special teams coach and 4 of the last 8 currently are former offensive coordinators. The suggestion that they haven't a clue just doesn't hold any water whatsoever. Preposterous suggestion tbh.

Belichick won it last year and Carroll the year before so you are incorrect.

eagle eye

adrian522 wrote: »

Agree, pretty stupid to say no one should hire offensive minded head coaches because Bellichek and Carroll were defensive guys.

That is not what I'm saying, it's crazy that everybody is going for OC's is what I'm saying.

adrian522

eagle eye wrote: »

That is not what I'm saying, it's crazy that everybody is going for OC's is what I'm saying.

They are going for the best available coaches, what defensive guys should they be hiring?

eagle eye

adrian522 wrote: »

They are going for the best available coaches, what defensive guys should they be hiring?

Well for me the most outstanding co-ordinator in football is Sean McDermott of the Panthers. Teryl Austin is another.

Best coach in the NFL is Belichick, best in college football is Nick Saban. Pete Carroll is a guy who has done it at college level and the NFL. They were all Defensive co-ordinators.

adrian522

Sorry but I wouldn't rate either of those as better than some of the offensive hires. Crazy to say teams "don't have a clue" because they are hiring offensive guys.

adrian522

eagle eye wrote: »

Well for me the most outstanding co-ordinator in football is Sean McDermott of the Panthers. Teryl Austin is another.

Best coach in the NFL is Belichick, best in college football is Nick Saban. Pete Carroll is a guy who has done it at college level and the NFL. They were all Defensive co-ordinators.

Guys in bold would all be great hires. Wonder why none of them were hired? Obviously teams don't have a clue.

eagle eye

adrian522 wrote: »

Guys in bold would all be great hires. Wonder why none of them were hired? Obviously teams don't have a clue.

Agh, I mentioned two that I think would be great head coaches and you don't even discuss what the very thing I was asked to put up.

adrian522

Well one is still in the playoffs so cant be interviewed. I think teams just picked the best available candidate rather than specifically looking for offensive guys. Having said that SF did focus specifically on offensive candidates becaue their offense has been so bad for a few years now, but I dodn't see any outstanding defensive candidate.

I don't think its hugely relevant, you bring in strong coordinators to sort out your defense if needed.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Agh, I mentioned two that I think would be great head coaches and you don't even discuss what the very thing I was asked to put up.

how you are as a coordinator is pretty much irrelevant being a head coach is a compleatly different job.

JCTO

The idea of whether you are a defensive or offensive guy makes the difference of winning Superbowls or being successful is laughable. Just look at the last 15 Superbowls:

12 different coaches
5 Offensive
2 Both
4 Defensive

What is interesting is their playing experience. Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick played offensive positions in their playing career.

Team - Coach - Playing Exp - Coach Exp
Rams - Dick Vermeil - QB - Offensive Guy
Ravens - Brian Billick - QB/DB/TE - Offensive Guy
Patriots - Belichick - OL - Defensive Guy
Buccs - Jon Gruden - QB - Offensive Guy
Patriots - Belichick - OL - Defensive Guy
Patriots - Belichick - OL - Defensive Guy
Steelers - Bill Cowher - LB - Defensive guy
Colts - Tony Dungy - DB - Defensive Guy
Giants - Tom Coughlin - RB - Offensive Guy
Steelers - Mike Tomlin - WR - Both
Saints - Sean Payton - QB - Offensive Guy
Packers - Mike McCarthy - TE - Offensive Guy
Giants - Tom Coughlin - RB - Offensive Guy
Ravens - John Harbaugh - DB - Both
Seahawks - Pete Carroll - QB/WR/DB - Defensive Guy
Patriots - Belichick - OL - Defensive Guy

You could probably go back through the years and find there is good balance throughout the coaches on success. Besides taking a coach is like drafting in the 1st round. They may look awesome based on previous experience but might not just be good enough to win bowls for you.

helimachoptor

It's been mooted on and off over the last year or 2 that when he's finished he'll get some sort of position

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tennessee-titans-peyton-manning-denver-broncos-to-become-part-of-ownership-011716

helimachoptor

Ray Horton has requested to be released and it will be granted.

Jason Michael who became the OC when Mularkey got the interim job, is leaving for the Rams it seems

helimachoptor

Titans have hired Terry Robiskie (Falcons WR coach) as our new OC.
Dont now anything about him, but Falcons fans seem to think he's good.

Looks like Le Beau is staying as DC, but Horton has also said hes staying so we may keep both