Storm after Storm...

kneemos

Azalea wrote: »

Yes, on the news. As you know, the internet was not widely used.

I do wonder whether you believe what you say or whether you are just constantly being contrarian for the craic. Mix of the two maybe.

Contrarian=I can't argue so I'll call you names.

darkpagandeath

Azalea wrote: »

Yes, on the news. As you know, the internet was not widely used.

I do wonder whether you believe what you say or whether you are just constantly being contrarian for the craic. Mix of the two maybe.

Have you a point or just like kicking the ball into the grass ?

Malcolm600f

I think weather forecasting to a degree was better 20 yrs ago than now..
you had 2 options ,, RTE or BBC take your pick..
Now you can pick from 200 websites and pick which one best suits your needs,,
40 yrs ago the weather station use to call my father if he was out fishing for a weather report and that was how they got information he also use to fly into storms to gather information to use in forecasting storms no fancy **** back 40 yrs ago..lol

Azalea

kneemos wrote: »

Contrarian=I can't argue so I'll call you names.

Nope. "Contrarian" means having a view that is at odds with the popular consensus. Not a bad thing in and of itself at all.

"Contrarian for the sake of it" = arguing against supported statements and even facts with vague blather (e.g. "They didn't report on the weather as much before") or provocation (e.g. "Erra people whose homes and businesses are destroyed by floods only have themselves to blame - bitta silicon, be grand")... for nothing other than sh-ts and giggles.

darkpagandeath

Azalea wrote: »

Nope. "Contrarian" means having a view that is at odds with the popular consensus. Not a bad thing in and of itself at all.

"Contrarian for the sake of it" = arguing against supported statements and even facts with vague blather (e.g. "They didn't report on the weather as much before") or provocation (e.g. "Erra people whose homes and businesses are destroyed by floods only have themselves to blame - bitta silicon, be grand")... for nothing other than sh-ts and giggles.

Does one even know what TV was like 20 years ago ? Weather is being reported way more than it used to and blown out of proportion. And on the blame game. Well If I was making a major purchase like a house I would find out if it floods for one.

Azalea

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does one even know what TV was like 20 years ago ?

Obviously - it was only 1995. There are people in their 30s and 40s using this site. "One" is not used to refer to the second person btw.

Weather is being reported way more than it used to

Obviously, because there are far far far more reporting outlets. You need this explained.

And on the blame game. Well If I was making a major purchase like a house I would find out if it floods for one.

Agreed.

darkpagandeath

Azalea wrote: »

Obviously - it was only 1995. There are people in their 30s and 40s using this site. "One" is not used to refer to the second person btw.

Obviously, because there are far far far more reporting outlets. You need this explained.

Agreed.

:P

SEPT 23 1989

Another three or four weeks of this and I would say kenny will regret not calling an early election

Strange how life works out

Samaris

Regarding all that about the weather being reported and hyped more now; "laypeople" didn't hear so much about the weather. Scientists have been studying it in modern terms for decades.

Baggy Trousers

Samaris wrote: »

Maybe not in your area, but check out Mallow, Bandon, Galway, Carrick, Portlaw, Kilkenny, Graiguenamanagh, etcetera. I think you could try telling the people that had to be evacuated from their houses, people seeing their businesses underwater - not to mention anyone that tried to get a bus in Mallow only to see the bus stop under seven foot of water! - that there wasn't a storm last night and you'd get a right tongue-lashing!

This post from the Weather forum explains why it was not a storm (and Met Eireann acknowledge that)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98235791&postcount=1167

However it was a rainfall event in which a lot of rainfall fell on already saturated ground causing more flooding.

And I live in west Galway so I have seen my fair share of both storms and flooding.

My original point (boy who cried wolf) is that the current "storm" naming/classification and colour coded alert system might make people confused or at worst complacent when (a) storm force winds (b) exceptional rainfall or (c) both are on their way.

I think we need less hype, more education and better classifications.

Azalea

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

This post from the Weather forum explains why it was not a storm (and Met Eireann acknowledge that)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98235791&postcount=1167

However it was a rainfall event in which a lot of rainfall fell on already saturated ground causing more flooding.

And I live in west Galway so I have seen my fair share of both storms and flooding.

My original point (boy who cried wolf) is that the current "storm" naming/classification and colour coded alert system might make people confused or at worst complacent when (a) storm force winds (b) exceptional rainfall or (c) both are on their way.

I think we need less hype, more education and better classifications.

And a wind event? I went out in it to get milk - couldn't walk at one stage, the strength of the wind rooted me!

I don't know that hype is an apt term when all the damage done is considered.

Malcolm600f

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I think we need less hype, more education and better classifications.

As long as you have crap like social media and 1000 weather pages on it posting crap there will always be hype..
Hard to educate people about weather when they really either wont listen or dont want to listen ..As you showed this was not a storm and met even have said this so why wont people except that fact..If the storm had of hit land with a pressure as low as it was we would be in one very battered country today..

Met really need to get their head out of their asses on the Classification of weather, Yes people need warning of weather conditions but not every little blow needs a name and be deemed a storm its bloody stupid and as you say the boy who crys wolf..

Baggy Trousers

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Another three or four weeks of this and I would say kenny will regret not calling an early election

Strange how life works out

I think Enda and FG already regret it.

Baggy Trousers

Azalea wrote: »

And a wind event? I went out in it to get milk - couldn't walk at one stage, the strength of the wind rooted me!

I don't know that hype is an apt term when all the damage done is considered.

Did you read the link? I am not sure if a storm is defined by your ability to get milk.

Corpus Twisty

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Another three or four weeks of this and I would say kenny will regret not calling an early election

Strange how life works out

Never rains but it pours.

Baron Kurtz

It never stopped raining in the 90s.

Azalea

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Did you read the link? I am not sure if a storm is defined by your ability to get milk.

You said it was a rainfall event - I suggested it was also a wind event? I didn't say it was a storm.

And again, it's not hype to treat it as serious when the damage done is considered. I assume not one of the people being pedantic on this thread experienced even the slightest bit of damage due to the flooding and very strong winds.

jimmycrackcorm

Where's the snow and ice? I bought a mountain bike with special ice tyres for my cycle commute four years ago. I haven't used it in the last three winters because it wasn't icy enough.

Malcolm600f

Azalea wrote: »

You said it was a rainfall event - I suggested it was also a wind event? I didn't say it was a storm.

And again, it's not hype to treat it as serious when the damage done is considered. I assume not one of the people being pedantic on this thread experienced even the slightest bit of damage due to the flooding and very strong winds.

To be fair view's of people from the western side of the country is going to be different to others as were are use to alot harsher weather in winter. I do know the 7 yrs i lived in wicklow it was like a different country compared to what we got in the NW.
And if I am deemed as one of the pedantic people on this thread no i didn't experience the slightest bit of damage , as i am in an area that will not flood and been use to harsh winter conditions my house was built to suit ..
I live on a peninsula sticking 6 miles out into the Atlantic am exposed to every art of wind so have to think smart when it comes to weather..
Gusts to 110 kph last night just a winter gale, if it was going to be a steady 110 and gusty then it would be a different outlook..mind you that was only 40 or 50 miles away last night..

FloatingVoter

In 1947 the biggest freeze in living memory took place. The dead could not be buried for months on end. It didn't happen because Hitler wasn't recycling - that said, the veggie nut probably was.
Weather happens. Building houses on flood plains happens. Idiotic politicians who would rather spend money on 5 star trips to Paris for bull**** talks happen. Same politicians not spending the cash on flood prevention / limitation happen. And you elect the turnips.
Never buy a house in June without having scoped it in November - January.
Don't bother disagreeing with me before you consult your gran on any of the facts.

Dunny

Grandeeod

Storm - a violent disturbance of the atmosphere with strong winds and usually rain, thunder, lightning, or snow.

We had strong winds and rain. What is the problem saying these are storms? Does a storm have to be hurricane force winds and torrential rain?

Eugene Norman

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Did you read the link? I am not sure if a storm is defined by your ability to get milk.

The level of stupidity in this thread continues to baffle. Firstly you probably all googled the definition of a storm during this thread - I don't see any of you brainiacs in the weather forum.

Secondly the reason for the colour alerts, however remedially explained, or the naming seems lost on you all. They are warning systems. Believe it or not metreologists know what the technical definition of a storm is. They probably knew that long before you googled it. They invented the system. The naming of weather systems and colour codes are warning systems not defining weather systems as technical storms.

Thirdly. Fcuk your gran. If your gran thinks that this is a normal wet winter she's a halfwit. It's the wettest December since records began. And what kind of assinine argument is it to say "these things happen. Fields flood m'kay". That's like saying we shouldnt have early warning systems for earthquakes or tsunamis (where we can) because "these things happen".

Fourthly. I don't care if your sh1tcake of a field in .donegal didn't flood.Who gives a toss. Plenty of Ireland flooded. The point of the warning system is not to give colour codes per city, postcode or field but a generalised warning. Be aware. Be prepared. Take action.

Arguably this last weather system ( and the next few given the saturation of the country) should be red since people on low lying flood planes should take action. These are sensible precautions. Only the low IQ'ed or the troll would even argue the point.

kneemos

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The level of stupidity in this thread continues to baffle. Firstly you probably all googled the definition of a storm during this thread - I don't see any of you brainiacs in the weather forum.

Secondly the reason for the colour alerts, however remedially explained, or the naming seems lost on you all. They are warning systems. Believe it or not metreologists know what the technical definition of a storm is. They probably knew that long before you googled it. They invented the system. The naming of weather systems and colour codes are warning systems not defining weather systems as technical storms.

Thirdly. Fcuk your gran. If your gran thinks that this is a normal wet winter she's a halfwit. It's the wettest December since records began. And what kind of assinine argument is it to say "these things happen. Fields flood m'kay". That's like saying we shouldnt have early warning systems for earthquakes or tsunamis (where we can) because "these things happen".

Fourthly. I don't care if your sh1tcake of a field in .donegal didn't flood.Who gives a toss. Plenty of Ireland flooded. The point of the warning system is not to give colour codes per city, postcode or field but a generalised warning. Be aware. Be prepared. Take action.

Arguably this last weather system ( and the next few given the saturation of the country) should be red since people should on low lying flood planes should take action. These are sensible precautions. Only the low IQ'ed or the troll would even argue the point.

Think most people have the wit to know if water levels are high and if they're about to be flooded.
Haven't too much of a problem with the coloured warning system.It gives a good indication of the expected weather, why they then need to add to it by calling a depression a storm is a bit baffling.
Not only is it inaccurate to call these weather systems storms it creates confusion and ultimately leads to a lack of trust if you are being lied to.

Grandeeod

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The level of stupidity in this thread continues to baffle. Firstly you probably all googled the definition of a storm during this thread - I don't see any of you brainiacs in the weather forum.

Secondly the reason for the colour alerts, however remedially explained, or the naming seems lost on you all. They are warning systems. Believe it or not metreologists know what the technical definition of a storm is. They probably knew that long before you googled it. They invented the system. The naming of weather systems and colour codes are warning systems not defining weather systems as technical storms.

Thirdly. Fcuk your gran. If your gran thinks that this is a normal wet winter she's a halfwit. It's the wettest December since records began. And what kind of assinine argument is it to say "these things happen. Fields flood m'kay". That's like saying we shouldnt have early warning systems for earthquakes or tsunamis (where we can) because "these things happen".

Fourthly. I don't care if your sh1tcake of a field in .donegal didn't flood.Who gives a toss. Plenty of Ireland flooded. The point of the warning system is not to give colour codes per city, postcode or field but a generalised warning. Be aware. Be prepared. Take action.

Arguably this last weather system ( and the next few given the saturation of the country) should be red since people on low lying flood planes should take action. These are sensible precautions. Only the low IQ'ed or the troll would even argue the point.

I agree with the above. But the Irish are now so brave and cocky that they would even challenge the threat of nuclear warfare as the missile was closing in on the country.

I was working in the west of Ireland today. Thankfully I was on motorways, but the view of fields that now look like lakes was telling. In fact large parts of the midlands are also flooded as small rivers and streams have burst their banks.

My parents would be thick as ****e regarding the weather, generally. But the naming of weather events has them talking and identifying the risks like never before.

kneemos

Grandeeod wrote: »

I agree with the above. But the Irish are now so brave and cocky that they would even challenge the threat of nuclear warfare as the missile was closing in on the country.

I was working in the west of Ireland today. Thankfully I was on motorways, but the view of fields that now look like lakes was telling. In fact large parts of the midlands are also flooded as small rivers and streams have burst their banks.

My parents would be thick as ****e regarding the weather, generally. But the naming of weather events has them talking and identifying the risks like never before.

Old folk scared out of their wits most likely,with constant "storm"warnings.

Junkyard Tom

Samaris wrote: »

And what kind of assinine argument is it to say "these things happen. Fields flood m'kay".

It's fuckwittery of the highest order and most of of the recent flooding has been of towns that have been settlements for centuries.

A lot of bizarrely trite, insensitive posts in this thread.

Grandeeod

kneemos wrote: »

Old folk scared out of their wits most likely,with constant "storm"warnings.

Eh...no.

But you carry on with the non-chalant attitude.

Junkyard Tom

kneemos wrote: »

Old folk scared out of their wits most likely,with constant "storm"warnings.

Dear-oh-dear you've gone ahead and used the 'poor old dears' version of 'won't someone think of the children'.

Wasn't your 'expert' prescription for flood defences 'bit of silicone - be grand'?

This thread just gets curiouser and curiouser as we snorkel down the flooded rabbit hole.

trixychic

God. It seems like I am not the only one getting bored and pissed off with being stuck inside. Such a heated debate over something so minor.

Please give us a bit of a break mother nature. I want to go outside!!!

Samaris

Good grief, I think most people know what a storm is when it's ripping the tiles off the roof. I don't think most people would consider themselves to be being fooled as to the exact windspeed and whether it falls into a distinct classification. It's a storm. Make sure your windows are closed and your car isn't parked in the Lee Fields/[insert regularly flooded place here]. Plan around it for travelling. Anyone can figure out that it's a mite windy out there when the storm's on top of you, but the warnings are to prepare for it before it gets there.

Zimmey

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Coloured warnings and naming storms, load of balls mostly.

It's just bad weather, always had it, always will.

No, this year has been very, very rainy and stormy, even by Irish standards. They are right to issue warnings.

kneemos

Zimmey wrote: »

No, this year has been very, very rainy and stormy, even by Irish standards. They are right to issue warnings.

How about giving accurate information and leaving the drama to the media?

wexandproud

kneemos wrote: »

How about giving accurate information and leaving the drama to the media?

giving accurate information , well thats a good one coming from someone who told us silicone could have prevented these properties being flooded

Malcolm600f

Grandeeod wrote: »

Storm - a violent disturbance of the atmosphere with strong winds and usually rain, thunder, lightning, or snow.

in the Beaufort Scale, the term ‘Storm’ is reserved for wind events of mean speeds between 89 and 102 km/h. These are rare enough events overland in Ireland, occurring every couple of years or so on average; somewhat more frequently in the coastal waters around Ireland.'

We had gusts of that speed not a mean speed so it is not classified as a storm..
What we had was a Gale possibly strong gale in exposed places..Most likely alot of the country could be deemed as Near Gale..

Beaufort Scale is around since around 1800 and this is how weather conditions are classified .. Just because you see it called a storm on facebook or some other form of information site on the internet does not change the fact that the Beaufort Scale is correct .. So bottom line WE DID NOT HAVE A STORM IN IRELAND,,,,

Zimmey

kneemos wrote: »

How about giving accurate information and leaving the drama to the media?

Meteorlogists can never be 100% accurate (despite Joe Ignorant Soap thinking they should be) and so it's better to err on the side of caution rather than the other way round.

kneemos

Zimmey wrote: »

Meteorlogists can never be 100% accurate (despite Joe Ignorant Soap thinking they should be) and so it's better to err on the side of caution rather than the other way round.

No,it's better not to call weather systems storms when they know full well they aren't.

Zimmey

Reagan Delightful Villager wrote: »

Naming storms is only a pilot scheme this year. We previously named Hurricanes and in my 70+ years I have experienced quite a few. At least be accurate when being derogatory towards people.

There's been very few true hurricanes or anything close in Ireland actually. There's even doubt about whether Debbie was one.

Malcolm600f

Zimmey wrote: »

There's been very few true hurricanes or anything close in Ireland actually. There's even doubt about whether Debbie was one.

Debbie was classed as a tropical cyclone
Mean speeds of 110km and gusts of upto 180-190 thats violent storm touching on hurrican force winds ... 12 people dead .. Not what we want to see too often

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Zimmey wrote: »

There's been very few true hurricanes or anything close in Ireland actually. There's even doubt about whether Debbie was one.

Ok if you want to be pedantic - we only had names on the remnants of hurricanes. And we have had many of them in my time.

Happy now????

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Zimmey wrote: »

Meteorlogists can never be 100% accurate (despite Joe Ignorant Soap thinking they should be) and so it's better to err on the side of caution rather than the other way round.

As in Crying Wolf?

Zimmey

FloatingVoter wrote: »

In 1947 the biggest freeze in living memory took place. The dead could not be buried for months on end. It didn't happen because Hitler wasn't recycling - that said, the veggie nut probably was.
Weather happens. Building houses on flood plains happens. Idiotic politicians who would rather spend money on 5 star trips to Paris for bull**** talks happen. Same politicians not spending the cash on flood prevention / limitation happen. And you elect the turnips.
Never buy a house in June without having scoped it in November - January.
Don't bother disagreeing with me before you consult your gran on any of the facts.

You know the 1947 freeze is pretty well known, right? I'm for all the warnings and storm naming and I'd say I'm better versed on notable weather events in this country than most people on this thread.

Zimmey

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The level of stupidity in this thread continues to baffle. Firstly you probably all googled the definition of a storm during this thread - I don't see any of you brainiacs in the weather forum.

Too true.

Reagan Delightful Villager wrote: »

As in Crying Wolf?

I don't believe it is, no. But if you do, grand so? To me, it's good to be cautious because it can save lives. It doesn't happen often enough, even in a bad winter, for it to lose its effect.

Reagan Delightful Villager wrote: »

Ok if you want to be pedantic - we only had names on the remnants of hurricanes. And we have had many of them in my time.

Happy now????

Yes. Remnant of hurricanes - nowhere near being a hurricane. In fact some remnants may have been less powerful than Frank.

NIMAN

I heard a report on the flooding yesterday on RTE News and it was showing some town badly flooded. The report said it was the worst flooding in 33 years.

So we had flooding like this 33yrs ago? Why are people so shocked and blaming global warming then? Its not like this flooding is unprecedented then. It has happened before, many times over the years.

Zimmey

kneemos wrote: »

No,it's better not to call weather systems storms when they know full well they aren't.

As Eugene Norman said earlier re: armchair experts, I doubt you even know what a storm is. I'll trust the qualified meteorologist, ta.

Malcolm600f wrote: »

Debbie was classed as a tropical cyclone
Mean speeds of 110km and gusts of upto 180-190 thats violent storm touching on hurrican force winds ... 12 people dead .. Not what we want to see too often

And that was pretty much one of the absolute worst of the 20th century, and it at the very most was a category one hurricane (once it hit Ireland. What it was before it hit Ireland isn't relevant). Most storms in Ireland throughout the 20th century were nowhere close to that and were much more like the named storms we have now.

kneemos

Zimmey wrote: »

As Eugene Norman said earlier re: armchair experts, I doubt you even know what a storm is. I'll trust the qualified meteorologist, ta.



And that was pretty much one of the absolute worst of the 20th century, and it at the very most was a category one hurricane (once it hit Ireland. What it was before it hit Ireland isn't relevant). Most storms in Ireland throughout the 20th century were nowhere close to that and were much more like the named storms we have now.

I know what a pig in a poke is.

Malcolm600f

NIMAN wrote: »

I heard a report on the flooding yesterday on RTE News and it was showing some town badly flooded. The report said it was the worst flooding in 33 years.

So we had flooding like this 33yrs ago? Why are people so shocked and blaming global warming then? Its not like this flooding is unprecedented then. It has happened before, many times over the years.

They are giving warning that the flooding is going to continue for the next 3 weeks and more heavy rain moving in to the south of the country , looks like its not near over for some people yet..

kneemos

Malcolm600f wrote: »

They are giving warning that the flooding is going to continue for the next 3 weeks and more heavy rain moving in to the south of the country , looks like its not near over for some people yet..

The southern folk are probably too busy chasing fat guys through the woods to worry rain anyway.

Corpus Twisty

This has started to become like the motors forum argument over naming the road lanes. More focus on the terminology than the effects. If it's very, very windy and pi55ing rain, that to most people who don't study weather charts, is a storm.

I'll run with the weather being "very stormy" right now. As I wander outside to look at the overturned bins, flooded fields and the shed that got blown over onto its side despite sitting there for as long as I can remember, I may even be so naughty as to mention to the neighbor "Jasus, that was an awful storm, wasn't it?". I'm betting he'll agree, as opposed to starting into a lecture about the beaufort scale.

Malcolm600f

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

This has started to become like the motors forum argument over naming the road lanes. More focus on the terminology than the effects. If it's very, very windy and pi55ing rain, that to most people who don't study weather charts, is a storm.

I'll run with the weather being "very stormy" right now. As I wander outside to look at the overturned bins, flooded fields and the shed that got blown over onto its side despite sitting there for as long as I can remember, I may even be so naughty as to mention to the neighbor "Jasus, that was an awful storm, wasn't it?". I'm betting he'll agree, as opposed to starting into a lecture about the beaufort scale.

To a degree what your saying is true sure it was a wild stormy night the windows and doors were rattling ..
And thats the case for 75% of the country..But for the likes of coastal communities and fishing communities weather is a more serious factor. Lifes and lively hood's are lost because of weather. People are giving out about naming storms and crying wolf for the simple reason if they keep calling every gale of wind a storm some day people wont take notice its just another one of them stupid over named gales and it will costs lifes..