LOI Talk, Rumours, Gossip, Transfers etc 2018

ShamoBuc

doncarlos wrote: »

Not overly disappointed in this. Decent player but far better value out there if there is any truth to his wage demands. He played the Cork board like a fiddle and got a decent extra wedge out of it.

That's one way of looking at it.....of course there are clearly others!

MD1990 wrote: »

Not convinced Greg Bolger is that good of a signing.
I think he is past his best. Still good on the ball but players just breeze past him in midfield. He will be the deepest CM for Rovers now & won't give good protection to the back 4.

I think he will make a good addition to the first team, would have preferred if he went elsewhere.

MD1990

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2017/11/07/tobi-adebayo-rowling-signs-for-city/amp/

Rowling to Cork as expected

ShamoBuc

Good day for City.

doncarlos

CHealy wrote: »

If you say so bud. There only one man who has been played like a fiddle and both you and me know exactly who it was.

So you don't think Cork have had to pay him a massive pay rise to stop him signing for Dundalk? You can't be that niave surely?

doncarlos

Just got a text from a lad that's usually in the know and he is adament that we'll be due a fee for Sheppard as he had signed a pre contract.

Haven't heard of this happening before in the LOI or even if a pre contract is legally binding as there is a standard PFAI contract as far as I know

Lyle Lanley

MD1990 wrote: »

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2017/11/07/tobi-adebayo-rowling-signs-for-city/amp/

Rowling to Cork as expected

Best of luck with that!

Corholio

doncarlos wrote: »

Just got a text from a lad that's usually in the know and he is adament that we'll be due a fee for Sheppard as he had signed a pre contract.

Haven't heard of this happening before in the LOI or even if a pre contract is legally binding as there is a standard PFAI contract as far as I know

Pre contract is only binding if the essential contract terms were also agreed in the pre contract. I would guess highly unlikely.

CHealy

doncarlos wrote: »

So you don't think Cork have had to pay him a massive pay rise to stop him signing for Dundalk? You can't be that niave surely?

You think we dont know that every single player has already knocked on Caulfields door looking for a rise as Double Champions? From what Iv heard Sheppards girlfriend moving to Cork was the clincher as he always wanted to stay. Better late than never.

As for your "pre contract fee due to Dundalk" talk, you cant be that niave surely?

doncarlos

CHealy wrote: »

As for your "pre contract fee due to Dundalk" talk, you cant be that niave surely?

Like I said, I don't think it would be legally binding as there are standard PFAI contracts. I know we had problems a few years back trying to issue contracts that included some non playing duties.

ItsHoggie

:pac:
https://twitter.com/karlsheppard9/status/927986156964282370

shanec1928

doncarlos wrote: »

Just got a text from a lad that's usually in the know and he is adament that we'll be due a fee for Sheppard as he had signed a pre contract.

Haven't heard of this happening before in the LOI or even if a pre contract is legally binding as there is a standard PFAI contract as far as I know

youll get nothing. Chris turner did it to us before joining shams. Pre.contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

JoeyJJ

Greene had one with Sligo Rovers before along with a few more, means nothing.

MD1990

Greene would be a very good alternative to Sheppard for Dundalk. Can play on right,left or up top. Very good at Bray this year.

Oat23

shanec1928 wrote: »

youll get nothing. Chris turner did it to us before joining shams. Pre.contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

I don't think they'll be owed any fee either but Turner's situation was slightly different. Around the time we signed him the league had issued new contract forms and the contract he signed was on the old invalid form which is why he was able to disappear to Shams. We had to go to court to get a forward payment we made to him back I believe.

How out of touch are the FAI? It was during very hard times in Ireland. Rovers paid him about a months wages in advance to help him out over the winter and the FAI wanted a points deduction because they say we broke some sort of rule trying to help him out. Or so I was told.

joeysoap

Can't see Dundalk bothering to be honest, if any player wants to stay with any club that's their prerogative.

I agree Greene would be a good alternative


And it's not unreasonable - as Dundalk can confirm- for players to request a substantial increase in wages after winning a league, never mind a double. Players are well aware that CL football is a golden nugget.

ben.schlomo

The chasm between Cork, Dundalk and the rest is obviously going to grow again next year which makes you wonder how competitive the league will be. They are going to be streets ahead in budget terms, can hold players to two year deals and squads big enough to field almost two teams who could stay up. As a Galway Utd fan all my life I just don't see a time when we (as well as the likes of Harps, Drogs, Bray, Limerick, maybe Bohs, maybe Sligo and every first division team) can compete for anything other than relegation from the Premier or a tilt at the first division every other year. The fact that the FAI don't give a hoot means the money from European football will propel these teams to a different level which makes them almost untouchable. Not having a go at either club, both are examples of how to do things right, just a pessimistic view of the league as a whole.

MD1990

The gap can still be closed.

Dundalk are far off what they were in 2015-2016. The top sides will lose players to England also & it is hard to keep replacing them.
Clifford was probably on decent money & was awful. They also paid 40k for Connolly which looks a poor investment right now. None of Dundalk's signing last year bar Duffy & Vemmelund were really that succesfull. Cork trying to replace Maquire will be very tough as well.

MD1990

Good signing for Cork . Unsure he fits in a Caulfield team though.

https://twitter.com/CorkCityFC/status/928245732854976512

Captain Havoc

MD1990 wrote: »

Good signing for Cork . Unsure he fits in a Caulfield team though.

https://twitter.com/CorkCityFC/status/928245732854976512

That is big.

johnnyryan89

Massive signing for Cork. McNamee playing in front of the two best midfield destroyers in the league, that midfield three is gonna be something else.

MD1990

Buckley will be on the bench now.

I don't think Cork will target Murray now. They will probably get a striker to run in behind with that midfield 3 & Sheppard, Sadlier on the wings they will be very strong.

Akinade would be a very good signing but probably won't happen as it looks he is off to Waterford & fans could protest it anyway.
Derry will need to do some good scouting again. Probably have some good youngsters they will bring through as well.

joeysoap

That's a really good signing for City.

As for Bens post, yes, it is hard to break into the European 4 spots, but 5 years ago Dundalk were in a worse position than Galway, Sligo etc are in now. If Monaghan didn't fold I doubt they would have made the play off with Waterford. Whether by chance, good luck (or very just very good managing) the side that SK assembled was by and large free. This included Gannon, Boyle, O'Donnell, Towell, Hoban, McMillan, Byrne, Meehan etc. I actually think they were all free.

Pighead

That McNamee signing stings a bit. Had a sneaky feeling he'd be playing with Dundalk next year. Kenny rates him very highly. Was sure he'd make a move for him. Very good player.

Omackeral

When Shamrock Rovers broke into the Europa League there were a lot of people saying that they'd dominate for years to come. They didn't. When Dundalk were even more successful in Europe plenty of people were saying that the league was gonna be a one horse race for the next decade. It wasn't. Our league is unreal in terms of rises and falls. The last ten years has seen 7 different clubs claim the Premier Division title.

The_Kew_Tour

Cork and Dundalk won't be making the LOI look like The Old Firm in Scotland anytime soon.

Shamrock Rovers seem have some nice talent coming along and with likes of Derry we could see challenge next season.

ben.schlomo

I get what ye are saying, I just don't think we've had a time where two teams were clearly that much better/bigger as the two are now. And with the addition of more money next season, they can also both have their pick of any player in the league, which again I dont necessarily think has been the case so much before. The McNamee signing is a perfect example.

johnnyryan89

MD1990 wrote: »

Buckley will be on the bench now.

I don't think Cork will target Murray now. They will probably get a striker to run in behind with that midfield 3 & Sheppard, Sadlier on the wings they will be very strong.

Akinade would be a very good signing but probably won't happen as it looks he is off to Waterford & fans could protest it anyway.
Derry will need to do some good scouting again. Probably have some good youngsters they will bring through as well.

Ogbene back to Cork

Captain Havoc

ben.schlomo wrote: »

I get what ye are saying, I just don't think we've had a time where two teams were clearly that much better/bigger as the two are now. And with the addition of more money next season, they can also both have their pick of any player in the league, which again I dont necessarily think has been the case so much before. The McNamee signing is a perfect example.

I don't think either club is that far ahead of Shamrock Rovers and I think Derry would have been up there if it wasn't for their misfortunes. I feel that Rovers will be challenging next year.

The_Kew_Tour

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Ogbene back to Cork

Could happen?

D14Rugby

ben.schlomo wrote: »

I get what ye are saying, I just don't think we've had a time where two teams were clearly that much better/bigger as the two are now. And with the addition of more money next season, they can also both have their pick of any player in the league, which again I dont necessarily think has been the case so much before. The McNamee signing is a perfect example.

2009 2010 if I remember correctly Rovers and Bohs were fairly far ahead of the rest of the league, that didn't last too long.
As shown by Finn last season they don't have their pick of any player in the league either.

Awesomeness

Reports that the guys looking at investing in Dundalk want to build a 7,500 seater stadium at Oriel

Omackeral

Awesomeness wrote: »

Reports that the guys looking at investing in Dundalk want to build a 7,500 seater stadium at Oriel

Imagine they built a roof on the away section. #DareToDream

NIMAN

Personally I don't think Derry will be competing at the top next season. I can see 4th being our target.

Cork and Dundalk are on a different level, and they will likely pinch at least one more of our top players before the season starts. Players we will struggle to replace.

MD1990

NIMAN wrote: »

Personally I don't think Derry will be competing at the top next season. I can see 4th being our target.

Cork and Dundalk are on a different level, and they will likely pinch at least one more of our top players before the season starts. Players we will struggle to replace.

Curtis will probably go abroad to England.

If Dundalk get US investment they will probably make an offer Derry can't refuse for McEneff.

I think English clubs will look at McDermott too. Could be a difficult season for Derry next year.

CHealy

Awesomeness wrote: »

Reports that the guys looking at investing in Dundalk want to build a 7,500 seater stadium at Oriel

I just hate this type of talk, it actually gives me shivers. I know theres nothing confirmed but I hope these Dundalk lads know what they are doing, because it all sounds oh so familiar.

Anyway, beyond delighted with McNamee signing, Id put him as a much better player than Buckley, the thoughts of McNamee sitting in front of Morrissey and McCormack with Sheppard and Sadlier on the wings is unreal. If we manage to get a proper striker and a couple of CB's we will already have a team capable of retaining the league.

Amirani

ben.schlomo wrote: »

I get what ye are saying, I just don't think we've had a time where two teams were clearly that much better/bigger as the two are now.

Bohs/Shels in the early 2000s when they won 6 leagues in a row between them and many of the cups. Also some big results in Europe.

Bohs/Rovers in late 2000s when they won 4 in a row and were miles ahead of the rest of the league on points.

Dundalk/Cork clearly been the best 2 sides the past 4 years, but they're not that much bigger/better than the above examples.

NIMAN

Yeah if we lose those 4, plus Nicky Low has already gone, we are buggered.

Captain Havoc

The Americans will be here solely to take money out of Dundalk, how as ever it sounds like this is their bread and butter so they will be looking to make Dundalk into a profitable business as opposed to the usual gamble clueless owners make.

ben.schlomo

Amirani wrote: »

Bohs/Shels in the early 2000s when they won 6 leagues in a row between them and many of the cups. Also some big results in Europe.

Bohs/Rovers in late 2000s when they won 4 in a row and were miles ahead of the rest of the league on points.

Dundalk/Cork clearly been the best 2 sides the past 4 years, but they're not that much bigger/better than the above examples.

I think the money coming in from Europe now is far bigger and makes moreof a difference.

joeysoap

Omackeral wrote: »

Imagine they built a roof on the away section. #DareToDream

dundalkfc10

Omackeral wrote: »

Imagine they built a roof on the away section. #DareToDream

Id say a roof is the last thing the away section needs, Terracing needs done first! If ya want a roof go to the stand.

Bray, Pats (unless they open the Shed if you have a good away crowd), Bohs (Half the stand) all have open away terracing!

Even Tallaght/Croke Park etc Stands only cover half the seats!

joeysoap

Bohs won the league with 86 points, I thought City would break that record this year but they didn't and that shows how strong that Bohs team really was.

When Bohs and Shels were winning the leagues in those years wasn't the prizemoney €400k for winning the league?

Dundalk probably could have signed who they wanted last season, but the owners increased the wage money by 10%. Full stop.

When Bohs and Shels won the league players were on €180k wages a year. Mad.
Result: both will be sharing a DCC owned ground in the near future. European money talks - but it also walks if clubs let it.

Heard last year Dundalk were looking for an 7/8000 all seater, but were looking for €4m from the FAI, €4m from sports grants and they would fund the €8m difference. I chalked it off as fantasy.

joeysoap

Captain Havoc wrote: »

The Americans will be here solely to take money out of Dundalk, how as ever it sounds like this is their bread and butter so they will be looking to make Dundalk into a profitable business as opposed to the usual gamble clueless owners make.

You don't generally get rich by giving/throwing away money, so I'm in agreement on first sentence. Think the Dundalk owners are pretty savvy, but a lot aren't.

Looking fron the outside, it would appear getting into Europe is pretty easy from the LOI ( we know it's not) while much bigger/ better teams from the EPL can't qualify because the same 5/6 qualify every year. So it might tempt someone to take a punt (fwiw I think the Waterford owner said as much)

dundalkfc10

joeysoap wrote: »

Bohs won the league with 86 points, I thought City would break that record this year but they didn't and that shows how strong that Bohs team really was.

When Bohs and Shels were winning the leagues in those years wasn't the prizemoney €400k for winning the league?

Dundalk probably could have signed who they wanted last season, but the owners increased the wage money by 10%. Full stop.

When Bohs and Shels won the league players were on €180k wages a year. Mad.
Result: both will be sharing a DCC owned ground in the near future. European money talks - but it also walks if clubs let it.

Heard last year Dundalk were looking for an 7/8000 all seater, but were looking for €4m from the FAI, €4m from sports grants and they would fund the €8m difference. I chalked it off as fantasy.

Salford in UK (Class of 92's team) have built a new 5000 all seater stadium for £5 Million, You think ours will cost €16Millionn :rolleyes:

Ferris_Bueller

McNamee is a great signing for Cork, will be interesting to see who else they bring in this winter. Wonder will the likes of Curtis, McDermott & McEneff all leave Derry too.

Can see why some investors might take a punt on Dundalk or an Irish team, if a team were to get to the Champions League group stages they would stand to make €15m even if they lost every game in the group stage according to this. TV money would be on top of that then but no idea how much that would come in at. Europa League then you are talking minimum of €3m, that is again not factoring in winning any games or any TV money. You can see why an investor might be interested, it would be great for the league if it did happen, but we have seen it go wrong too many times to be anything other than wary of situations like this.

Alan Bennett got a 2 year deal and he will combine it with working with the underage set up

joeysoap

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Salford in UK (Class of 92's team) have built a new 5000 all seater stadium for £5 Million, You think ours will cost €16Millionn :rolleyes:

Dalymount 10,000 all seater €20m at last year's prices
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/national-league/dublin-city-council-unveil-plan-for-redeveloped-dalymount-1.2523069

Scaled back since to 16,000 all seater and delayed by another year?

Figure I heard for Oriel was ballpark €16m, but that seems excessive.

How much did the YDC cost?

Cost of redeveloping Brandywell and it looks like capacity is under 4,000?

http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/derry-city/derry-city-stands-by-council-on-brandywell-redevelopment-1-7697455

dan1895

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Ogbene back to Cork

Forgot he left. Got very little coverage on here at the time.

Omackeral

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Id say a roof is the last thing the away section needs, Terracing needs done first! If ya want a roof go to the stand.

Sound, and an extra 5 euro (10 euro if the little man is with me) for the pleasure.

dfx-

What Derry player has moved South and been a success? Would be good to see some follow suit and try it.