LOI Talk, Rumours, Gossip, Transfers etc 2018

MD1990

https://twitter.com/CorkCityFC/status/953688406273544194

Cherrie gone to Cork. Good signing. Cork not improved first 11 much but there squad is improved.

bot43

WTAF

The FAI have informed clubs using Abbotstown for friendlies that they’re not permitted to publicise the match, provide in-match updates and no spectators are permitted to attend. Cork City & Finn Harps play at Abbotstown this Saturday, January 20th.

North Korea is coming to town.

damemcd

...........and leave a brown envelop wid a few grand in it for John boy and the whan for a couple of lunches in the Shelbourne...........January does be desperate tight ,so it does...

kksaints

We've signed Mick Leahy. I know hes played with UCD and Sligo. Is he of any use?

OldMrBrennan83

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red sean

Patww79 wrote: »

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johnnyryan89

bot43 wrote: »

WTAF

The FAI have informed clubs using Abbotstown for friendlies that they’re not permitted to publicise the match, provide in-match updates and no spectators are permitted to attend. Cork City & Finn Harps play at Abbotstown this Saturday, January 20th.

North Korea is coming to town.

Whatever about no spectators because I don't think it's open to the public anyway otherwise they'd house all international underage matches there but not being allowed give in-match updates is a joke.

Lyle Lanley

kksaints wrote: »

We've signed Mick Leahy. I know hes played with UCD and Sligo. Is he of any use?

He's grand. Can be dodgy at times but generally ok. Can't say a whole lot more tbh. Hes good for an odd goal, was actually one of our top scorers last season but that's not saying a whole lot.

Oat23

Think we should have re-signed Leahy. Our squad is lacking experience at the minute.

MD1990

Cork 1-1 with UCC. Lucan 1-0 vs Rovers.

Only friendlies but LSL & other amateur clubs in the FAI Cup gave the LOI clubs very good games. Gap should be bigger.

I think the league has lost too many good players in the last 2 years & the standard will drop this year. Hopefully some new players emerge this year.

DvB

MD1990 wrote: »

Cork 1-1 with UCC. Lucan 1-0 vs Rovers.

Only friendlies but LSL & other amateur clubs in the FAI Cup gave the LOI clubs very good games. Gap should be bigger.

I think the league has lost too many good players in the last 2 years & the standard will drop this year. Hopefully some new players emerge this year.

To be fair Rovers spread their squad across 2 games on the same day & more importantly dont forget the LSL & suchlike are mid season & are match ready, the LOI teams are only back training and the results mean little to them.

Potentially theres some logic to your point re: talent drain though, however players can step up so fingers crossed it will still be competetive & somewhat entertaining!

MD1990

DvB wrote: »

To be fair Rovers spread their squad across 2 games on the same day & more importantly dont forget the LSL & suchlike are mid season & are match ready, the LOI teams are only back training and the results mean little to them.

Potentially theres some logic to your point re: talent drain though, however players can step up so fingers crossed it will still be competetive & somewhat entertaining!

I was at the Rovers friendly. Finn,Lopez,Boyd, Gilchrist,McAllister all played 60 mins. Lucan are in the 3rd tier of the LSL they are a good side though.
But still it is poor.

Gilchrist the new CB signed looks very very poor. Signed from Scotland like Cameron King who was awful last year as well.

LSL clubs in the FAI Cup last season were in pre-season too & they performed very well.

bot43

You cannot or should not read a single thing into any pre season games results. Fellas are miles off full fitness and are certainly not going to go full tilt into a tackle etc.

dfx-

It was one of the real competitive issues that arose with the Setanta Cup; preseason LOI sides were beating midseason IL teams.

The other way around is no big deal.

CHealy

MD1990 wrote: »

Cork 1-1 with UCC. Lucan 1-0 vs Rovers.

Only friendlies but LSL & other amateur clubs in the FAI Cup gave the LOI clubs very good games. Gap should be bigger.

I think the league has lost too many good players in the last 2 years & the standard will drop this year. Hopefully some new players emerge this year.

Relax haha, pre season friendlies mean nothing. I wasnt at UCC last night but after the rain that fell Id imagine, like Cobh on Saturday, it was almost impossible to play football. We had a fella called Jarob from Iraq playing at one stage

Talking to fellas who were at the game, McNamee, McCormack, Sadlier and Danny Kane will all be serious players for us this season, O'Hanlon not so much despite scoring. Hard to tell anything from early pre season though.

Saw on Twitter, is this the first time a professional team has played its sponsor?

Gavin "shels"

MD1990 wrote: »

Gap should be bigger.

Why's that? A lot of LSL Sunday Senior and Senior 1 players would more than capable to slot into any 1st Div LOI side - most choose LSL over LOI as travelling the country for 50-100 quid isn't worth the hassle or commitment.

hufpc8w3adnk65

CHealy wrote: »

Relax haha, pre season friendlies mean nothing. I wasnt at UCC last night but after the rain that fell Id imagine, like Cobh on Saturday, it was almost impossible to play football. We had a fella called Jarob from Iraq playing at one stage

Talking to fellas who were at the game, McNamee, McCormack, Sadlier and Danny Kane will all be serious players for us this season, O'Hanlon not so much despite scoring. Hard to tell anything from early pre season though.

Saw on Twitter, is this the first time a professional team has played its sponsor?

I was there..O Hanlon wasn’t as bad as people said. He misplaced 2 short pass’s but that can happen. He’s up there on his own allways making runs and making the defenders think. McNamee started a little slow but grew into it McCormack was McCormack. Sadlier had a few moments but Danny Kane looked outstanding and extremely comfortable on the ball. He drove forward with it a lot and his distribution was miles better than anything we’ve had in Deleany or Dennehy. There’s a great squad at Cork this ya from 1-21.

dfx-

Gavin shels wrote: »

Why's that? A lot of LSL Sunday Senior and Senior 1 players would more than capable to slot into any 1st Div LOI side - most choose LSL over LOI as travelling the country for 50-100 quid isn't worth the hassle or commitment.

Equally, they'd be no use to FD teams no matter their skill if they are not committed.

In the FD, you have a cross country away game on a Tuesday night and another on Friday night, you have to commit to that. If you don't then you won't slot in to any FD side.

You could perhaps argue there should be more cup upsets for these sorts of sides, but in terms of actual league season capable sides, FD teams are way ahead.

MD1990

CHealy wrote: »

Relax haha, pre season friendlies mean nothing. I wasnt at UCC last night but after the rain that fell Id imagine, like Cobh on Saturday, it was almost impossible to play football. We had a fella called Jarob from Iraq playing at one stage

Talking to fellas who were at the game, McNamee, McCormack, Sadlier and Danny Kane will all be serious players for us this season, O'Hanlon not so much despite scoring. Hard to tell anything from early pre season though.

Saw on Twitter, is this the first time a professional team has played its sponsor?

Cork result seemed a fluke looking at stats & no Cummins. But they still should be beating UCC easily.

Gavin shels wrote: »

Why's that? A lot of LSL Sunday Senior and Senior 1 players would more than capable to slot into any 1st Div LOI side - most choose LSL over LOI as travelling the country for 50-100 quid isn't worth the hassle or commitment.

I am at LSL games every week I know the standard of players is excellent.

I just think this year the LOI standard is dropping. Too many players leaving.

DvB

MD1990 wrote: »

I am at LSL games every week I know the standard of players is excellent.

I just think this year the LOI standard is dropping. Too many players leaving.

The current LSL champions are my local team & I watch them regularly. The standard has definitely improved at that level from when I played there nearly 20 years ago but lets not fool ourselves, its nowhere near LOI standard.

The LSL sides can raise their game for the odd cup tie but stick any of them into the FD & I'd place a large wager they'd finish in the bottom 2. Theres still a fair gulf between the LOI & LS & intermediate leagues no matter what the LSL players would lead you to believe.

Copper_pipe

https://twitter.com/LimerickFCie/status/954026818138451971

Mushy

Dundalk confirm that they're sold anyway!

MD1990

Be interesting to see what changes at Dundalk now. Maybe more funds for players & to do up Oriel.

Amirani

Mushy wrote: »

Dundalk confirm that they're sold anyway!

Seems like potential trouble.

What's the story with their Euro money? Is it still on the club's balance sheet for the new owners to play with or did the previous owners take a cut as part of the deal?

joeysoap

Amirani wrote: »

Seems like potential trouble.

What's the story with their Euro money? Is it still on the club's balance sheet for the new owners to play with or did the previous owners take a cut as part of the deal?

If rumours are to be believed, two stands with a capacity of 7,500. This is an investment company and they will expect a return.

Club reported a €3m profit in 2016, and they didn’t fritter it away. Buying the lease on Oriel , paying the local authority the arrears owed by the previous owner (€400,000?) and a new pitch. (Overdue but because of the lease they were unable to change previously)

Gavin "shels"

Say it's been mentioned here before but Oriel and development is complex as part of it is owned by someone else and some malarky like that.

Cape Clear

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Say it's been mentioned here before but Oriel and development is complex as part of it is owned by someone else and some malarky like that.

Just excuses from the previous owners who didn't out a red cent into the place in years

doncarlos

Amirani wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

Dundalk confirm that they're sold anyway!

Seems like potential trouble.

What's the story with their Euro money? Is it still on the club's balance sheet for the new owners to play with or did the previous owners take a cut as part of the deal?

Rumour was the club was bought for €3M or exactly what was in the bank.

I'm very nervous but excited about this could potentially bring Dundalk and in a far lesser extent the league of Ireland into a whole new level. However it has the potential to backfire spectacularly and land us in the first division having bought our history back

ShamoBuc

doncarlos wrote: »

Rumour was the club was bought for €3M or exactly what was in the bank.

I'm very nervous but excited about this could potentially bring Dundalk and in a far lesser extent the league of Ireland into a whole new level. However it has the potential to backfire spectacularly and land us in the first division having bought our history back

I can imagine the equal feeling of nervousness and excitement.
It's very hard to know, but I think it could well be a major step in the right direction for the club.

Ohmeha

This Dundalk 'investment' is basically a bet by both parties that the club will replicate future seasons like 2016 with little to lose for the yanks

Think it's totally ludicrous to risk that exceptional financial windfall which has secured the club long-term participating in a totally dysfunctional run league with an embarrassing history of financial collapses. Won't have a jot of sympathy when this blows up in their face

joeysoap

Cape Clear wrote: »

Just excuses from the previous owners who didn't out a red cent into the place in years

Would you spend money on something you didn’t own (or own the lease)?

As well reported their hands were tied until December 2016.

joeysoap

Gavin shels wrote: »

Say it's been mentioned here before but Oriel and development is complex as part of it is owned by someone else and some malarky like that.

Rumour (that’s all we have, The Mafia could take lessons from this) is that Oriel will be used for more than football.

Time will tell.

joeysoap

Amirani wrote: »

Seems like potential trouble.

What's the story with their Euro money? Is it still on the club's balance sheet for the new owners to play with or did the previous owners take a cut as part of the deal?

If rumours are to be believed, two stands with a capacity of 7,000. This is an investment company and they wil expect a return.

Club reported a €3m profit in 2016, and they didn’t fritter it away. Buying the lease on Oriel , paying the local authority the arrears owed by the previous owner (€400,000?) and a new pitch. (Overdue but because of the lease they were unable to change previously)

MD1990

Dundalk squad atm is way off the level they were in 2015-2016.
Towell,Finn,Horgan,McMillian,McEleney,Boyle all gone since then.

justshane

MD1990 wrote: »

Dundalk squad atm is way off the level they were in 2015-2016.
Towell,Finn,Horgan,McMillian,McEleney,Boyle all gone since then.

It's hard to believe the amount of talent they lost. That list is crazy. They could be a good Europa league team if all those players stayed and mantained top form.

joeysoap

This is the position as I understand it regarding the 10 premier division clubs! Fee free to correct anything I have incorrect

Derry City - local authority ground and all development by them
Sligo Rovers - own their own ground and all developments are down to them.
Limerick - Leased from Limerick Enterprise development partnership
Cork City - leased from Munster Football Association
Waterford Utd- Leased from Waterford Local Authorities
Bray Wanderers - Leased from North Korea
St Pats Ath - Richmond is owned by Pats
Shamrock Rovers - Leased from SDCC
Bohs - Leased from DCC
Dundalk - Leased from the Casey Family

I make it only 2 clubs own their own ground.
I suspect the first division is somewhat similar

Wilberto

joeysoap wrote: »

Bray Wanderers - Leased from North Korea

:pac:

dundalkfc10

Cape Clear wrote: »

Just excuses from the previous owners who didn't out a red cent into the place in years

Shows what you know.

The previous owners, pumped money in to save our club in 2012 when otherwise we prob would have been like Cork, Derry and been re-formed as Dundalk Foras or something, bought the lease of the land off the previous owner before them (which took years of talks and money) installed a new pitch, done up the Youth Development centre, installed a state of the art gym, signed and paid for some of the greatest players Dundalk or the LOI has ever seen.

CHealy

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The previous owners, pumped money in to save our club in 2012 when otherwise we prob would have been like Cork, Derry and been re-formed as Dundalk Foras or something

You'd have to laugh at this attitude, Iv missed you being around the place dundalkfc10. Having a go off a group of fans putting in 100's of hours of work to make sure there is a senior LOI club in Cork, a trust that is now 500 strong and growing that has gone from 1st Division to Double Champions in 7 years. Its very very possible that you'll soon find out what its like to be completely helpless as an external owner rips your club to shreds.

By the way and as Iv mentioned before, Foras actually sent people up to Dundalk in 2012 to advice and help in the creation of your own trust as it looked like you might go bust, but dont worry about that.

dundalkfc10

CHealy wrote: »

You'd have to laugh at this attitude, Iv missed you being around the place dundalkfc10. Having a go off a group of fans putting in 100's of hours of work to make sure there is a senior LOI club in Cork, a trust that is now 500 strong and growing that has gone from 1st Division to Double Champions in 7 years. Its very very possible that you'll soon find out what its like to be completely helpless as an external owner rips your club to shreds.

By the way and as Iv mentioned before, Foras actually sent people up to Dundalk in 2012 to advice and help in the creation of your own trust as it looked like you might go bust, but dont worry about that.

What attitude, im stating a simple fact! If Andy and Paul never bought the club in 2012, we would be in the exact same situation Cork and Derry etc faced when they had to start from the beginning.

Im not slagging them off, im just delighted we didnt have to go down that route

CHealy

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What attitude, im stating a simple fact! If Andy and Paul never bought the club in 2012, we would be in the exact same situation Cork and Derry etc faced when they had to start from the beginning.

Im not slagging them off, im just delighted we didnt have to go down that route

Sure thing.

dundalkfc10

CHealy wrote: »

Sure thing.

Good response to getting something wrong!

CHealy

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Good response to getting something wrong!

I always love seeing a post from you, theres no way you werent having a go. You were even on CCFC Forum at one stage at it.

dundalkfc10

CHealy wrote: »

I always love seeing a post from you, theres no way you werent having a go. You were even on CCFC Forum at one stage at it.

You sound like Caufield, a bitter auld man

CHealy

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

You sound like Caufield, a bitter auld man

Haha, Iv nothing to be bitter about, Im happy out bud.

Cape Clear

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Shows what you know.

The previous owners, pumped money in to save our club in 2012 when otherwise we prob would have been like Cork, Derry and been re-formed as Dundalk Foras or something, bought the lease of the land off the previous owner before them (which took years of talks and money) installed a new pitch, done up the Youth Development centre, installed a state of the art gym, signed and paid for some of the greatest players Dundalk or the LOI has ever seen.

You are completely missing my point but if that suits your delusion so be it. Oriel Park hasn't seen a red cent from previous owners in decades not just the guys who came along in 2012 but those that were there for years before that. Out of interest how long are you following Dundalk?

dundalkfc10

Cape Clear wrote: »

You are completely missing my point but if that suits your delusion so be it. Oriel Park hasn't seen a red cent from previous owners [/U]in decades not just the guys who came along in 2012 but those that were there for years before that. Out of interest how long are you following Dundalk?

I cant remember, since my Grandad took me on a Thurs night back in the 90's.

You realise until the club took ownership of the lease (only a few months ago) they could not do anything regarding upgrading the ground?

Course you dont!

pjohnson

Aww. I Love these City vs. Dundalk squabbles. Its just like the Utd vs. Liverpool nonsense

joeysoap

There’s no doubt that Oriel was neglected over the years. Until Gerry Matthews came on the scene and did a bit to bring it up to a standard suitable for the Champions League qualifying rounds but not much more than that. Afaik the club did propose a new (or extended) stand where the main stand is now ( maybe about 15- 20 years ago) but residents on the Carrick Road objected ( loss of light or similar).

I also think the club have been informed that because of new health and safety rules they wont be allowed to build behind the goals. I find this hard to believe when I see most stadiums have stands behind the goals.

The two owners were perfectly entitled to keep the euro money as they owned the club, two more trustworthy and honest owners you’d go far to find. And maybe lucky too, you need luck.

Anyway let’s wait and see.

Cape Clear

joeysoap wrote: »

There’s no doubt that Oriel was neglected over the years. Until Gerry Matthews came on the scene and did a bit to bring it up to a standard suitable for the Champions League qualifying rounds but not much more than that. Afaik the club did propose a new (or extended) stand where the main stand is now ( maybe about 15- 20 years ago) but residents on the Carrick Road objected ( loss of light or similar).

I also think the club have been informed that because of new health and safety rules they wont be allowed to build behind the goals. I find this hard to believe when I see most stadiums have stands behind the goals.

The two owners were perfectly entitled to keep the euro money as they owned the club, two more trustworthy and honest owners you’d go far to find. And maybe lucky too, you need luck.

Anyway let’s wait and see.

Fair points.