LOI Talk, Rumours, Gossip, Transfers etc 2018

joeysoap

Definitely Tallaght?

Wilberto

Vivienne Clever Melon wrote:

Kevin o Connor and Seani McGuire in the Irish u-21 squad so City V Dalk next week is called off.

Delighted for Kev. He's been outstanding this season.

joeysoap

Another away match out of the way. With the City match off next week Dundalk haven't played a home league match for over 2 months. Home form hasn't been great but I would expect home support to really get behind them now. Great to see black and white flags flying throughout the town.

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Bohs game with Dundalk rescheduled for next Friday night Sept 2nd in Dalymount, Bohs on good run at the moment so has the makings of a good game

MD1990

2 goals for Dylan Connolly. Very interesting to see where he is next year I wonder will he go back to England because I'm sure some championship clubs would take him.

joeysoap

sidcon wrote: »

For all you Dundalk fans a great deal bus return to all home games for €10


https://m.facebook.com/972776326149198/photos/a.1112762968817199.1073741828.972776326149198/1117004825059680/?type=3

Who are this company? Dublin based?

Mushy

MD1990 wrote: »

2 goals for Dylan Connolly. Very interesting to see where he is next year I wonder will he go back to England because I'm sure some championship clubs would take him.

I think, could be wrong, that he's on a 2 year contract. I know some players are. He's unreal though, if he hadn't missed so much at start of season bray would be doing a hell of a lot better.

sidcon

joeysoap wrote: »

Who are this company? Dublin based?

Yeah there Facebook page says lusk.

doncarlos

Mushy wrote: »

I think, could be wrong, that he's on a 2 year contract. I know some players are. He's unreal though, if he hadn't missed so much at start of season bray would be doing a hell of a lot better.

Looked really good against Dundalk last week. Would be very surprised if he was still at Bray next season

Sue Pa Key Pa

Alfa Quadrifoglio wrote: »

Bohs game with Dundalk rescheduled for next Friday night Sept 2nd in Dalymount, Bohs on good run at the moment so has the makings of a good game

Wexford Youths were down to play Bohs on Friday. Instead we've been dismissed and told to travel up on a Monday night, 3 days after we play Derry.

CSF

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

Wexford Youths were down to play Bohs on Friday. Instead we've been dismissed and told to travel up on a Monday night, 3 days after we play Derry.

That is not right at all

gimmick

But we are all in this together and it's for the good of Dundalk.

Let's run more buses.

Sue Pa Key Pa

gimmick wrote: »

But we are all in this together and it's for the good of Dundalk.

Let's run more buses.

Played good sir, played

White Horse

gimmick wrote: »

But we are all in this together and it's for the good of Dundalk.

Let's run more buses.

Something more for Cork to whnge about.

Paz-CCFC

Apparently, Bohs aren't too happy with the fixture change, as it means they end the season with a string of away matches. If they, as the home club, didn't accept this date for the match, then it breaches paragraph 19.18.5 of the Participation Agreement.

Even if Bohs did agree to it, there are two further breaches. In the event of a change of date, the away clubs must be given at least 12 days notice (19.4). Wexford only got 6 days here. And if a club gets permission to change the date of a league fixture, they're not allowed to hold a counter fixture on the date of the original match (19.13). So, if Bohs asked to move the Wexford match from the 2nd and were granted permission, they shouldn't be allowed to have another match on that date.

Possible grounds for moving the match is the League Director's power to postpone matches with 24 hours notice if it is "in the best interests of the league" (19.7) and re-arrange postponed matches with 48 hours notice (19.6). They'd probably say that it's unfair on Dundalk that a match got postponed outside of their power and that it's in the best interests of the league not to interfere with international call-ups. But the unfairness created on other clubs probably outweighs the unfairness remedied by moving these matches around.

Dundalk and Cork City have caused plenty of havoc to the fixture list already with their European success. Other clubs can feel rightly aggrieved that there are more postponements due to a match between these two clubs completely unrelated to the rest of them.


Edit: Full participation agreement here. It's an old version from 2010, but I don't think there have been major changes regarding fixture arrangements since then.

HalloweenJack

Is there still a summer break?

Getting rid of that might alleviate future fixture congestion.

I would also question the existence of the League Cup, or maybe give teams who are playing in Europe an exemption. LOI squads generally aren't very big. Playing in three/four competitions as it is with the possibility of a fifth is stretching already small squads, especially when most of the players are part-time.

Corholio

White Horse wrote: »

Something more for Cork to whnge about.

Should be the poster your criticising not the blanket statement of 'Cork'.

Debil

Bloody state of the UCD Limerick game on the FAI youtube channel. Embarrassing.

OldMrBrennan83

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Debil

Patww79 wrote: »

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It's only about 2 frames a second.

topmanamillion

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Is there still a summer break?

Getting rid of that might alleviate future fixture congestion.

I would also question the existence of the League Cup, or maybe give teams who are playing in Europe an exemption. LOI squads generally aren't very big. Playing in three/four competitions as it is with the possibility of a fifth is stretching already small squads, especially when most of the players are part-time.

The league break was 3 weeks this year but there was no option with the Euro's on.

I agree fully with getting rid of the League Cup. 1 cup for 20 league clubs is ample. Fishing around junior leagues for representitve sides to make up the numbers is doing nothing for prestige/attendances.

A play off for the final European spot would be perfect. 3 sides in it. Highest placed league side straight into the final. Cup losing finalist/next placed league side without Europe and league qualifer play a two legged semi final. Give the winner of that a cup.

Bring forward the FAI cup final so the winner gets a bumper home crowd or 2 to parade the cup in front of.

Also no replays in the FAI cup. Just go straight to penalties after 90 minutes. Would really give it a cut throat edge and cut down on fixture congestion.
Things like scheduling sides in Europe to play each other around the time they are in Europe would help too.

wadacrack

The problem with a no league cup is that squad/reserve players get no gametime, which is a problem with no reserve league in action

joeysoap

It's really unfortunate that the Dundalk / City match would be the one affected by the international. I didn't realise that Wexford youths were also affected by the chsnges so I can see it from their viewpoint too. Dundalk were due to play at home this weekend and the Dundalk/Bohs match was already postponed, so maybe the LOI should have rescheduled that one and not bring forward the October match. I was looking at the Dundalk fixtures on their website and at a glance I can see another postponement coming up (Pats on 16th Sept).

R00ster

Weren't Cork refused permission to move a game forward around May to alleviate this sort of fixture congestion? Bohs would have been looking to the Dundalk game for a big crowd as there was the possibility of them clinching the title. As it stands after the game with Longford at Dalymount on 23/9 Bohs will only have one home game for the remaining five weeks of the season. Just as well Pats and Bray didn't get postponements for Hoare and Connolly being called up.

topmanamillion

wadacrack wrote: »

The problem with a no league cup is that squad/reserve players get no gametime, which is a problem with no reserve league in action

Or altenatively it forces sides to loan out players to other LOI sides/Irish league sides instead of hoarding players.
Anyway is one or 2 League cup games really going to make the difference?
The issue is there's too many games in too short of space of time.

I don't think there's any mad need for a reserve league.
Rolling out U13 & 15s leagues are rightly the priority now.
As I said clubs are free to loan players out or enter reserve sides in local Junior/intermediate league like UCD, Derry and Finn Harps do for example.

gimmick

EPL, La Liga etc have a 38 game season which run 40 weeks. There is no serious congestion in either of those leagues.

LOI has a 40 week season with 33 games.

There is no good reason for congestion. The fixture planners have to allow for the teams playing in Europe by arranging accordingly. I have mentioned before that it would be very prudent to arrange for the 4 teams competing in Europe to sart against each other a week earlier against either each other or the teams they are due to play in the first round of European competition. Of course they cannot legislate for teams progressing, but its a start.

Someone else mentioned no cup replays. This isn't like England where Exeter can get a replay at Old Trafford earning them huge cash. At best, Shells might get a replay against CCFC or Rovers and earn an extra few grand, a lot of which is swallowed by travel expenses etc.

wadacrack

topmanamillion wrote: »

Or altenatively it forces sides to loan out players to other LOI sides/Irish league sides instead of hoarding players.
Anyway is one or 2 League cup games really going to make the difference?
The issue is there's too many games in too short of space of time.

I don't think there's any mad need for a reserve league.
Rolling out U13 & 15s leagues are rightly the priority now.
As I said clubs are free to loan players out or enter reserve sides in local Junior/intermediate league like UCD, Derry and Finn Harps do for example.

Every other league in Europe has a reserve or development league. Alot of players not ready at 18/19 are falling out to Junior/Intermediate football. The A championship proved quite successful at developing players for its short stint

joeysoap

R00ster wrote: »

...... As it stands after the game with Longford at Dalymount on 23/9 Bohs will only have one home game for the remaining five weeks of the season. Just as well Pats and Bray didn't get postponements for Hoare and Connolly being called up.

And in contrast:

2nd Sep Dundalk away to Bohs
6th Sept Dundalk away to Sligo Rovers
16th Sept Dundalk away to Pats ( unlikely as away to Alkmaar on 15th)
23rd Sept home to Derry - first home league match since Longford on 5th July.

As it stands after the Sligo match on 6th Dundalk will have played 14 away matches and 9 home matches. Would have made more sense to have rearranged the Bohs match for Oriel?

Team will needs maps showing directions to Oriel

johnnyryan89

joeysoap wrote: »

And in contrast:

2nd Sep Dundalk away to Bohs
6th Sept Dundalk away to Sligo Rovers
16th Sept Dundalk away to Pats ( unlikely as away to Alkmaar on 15th)
23rd Sept home to Derry - first home league match since Longford on 5th July.

As it stands after the Sligo match on 6th Dundalk will have played 14 away matches and 9 home matches. Would have made more sense to have rearranged the Bohs match for Oriel?

Team will needs maps showing directions to Oriel

Pats have the cup final on the 17th so that fixture for the 16th would be postponed anyway.

topmanamillion

wadacrack wrote: »

Every other league in Europe has a reserve or development league. Alot of players not ready at 18/19 are falling out to Junior/Intermediate football. The A championship proved quite successful at developing players for its short stint

.......and the clubs voted it out.
Every league in Europe also has a pyramid system. We'll be here all day if we start listing things other leagues are doing better!
It's a bit strange to be talking about a reserve league when the First Division is such a mess.
There's plenty of options open to clubs if they find they are losing too many Seams Colemans to Athenry FC.
I don't believe that's the case at all. There has to be an element of cut throat about youth development, at the end of the day you want the cream to rise to the top.
The underage leagues are there to hoover up young players who didn't get picked up by British club academies.
These players then get to 19/20, they should be able to compete for game time at a LOI club in either division.
If not, maybe they simply aren't good enough.

I would argue league clubs need better scouting networks more than a reserve league.
That way they can spot the next Shane Long thats underapreciated, sitting on a rivals bench.

Paz-CCFC

R00ster wrote: »

Weren't Cork refused permission to move a game forward around May to alleviate this sort of fixture congestion? Bohs would have been looking to the Dundalk game for a big crowd as there was the possibility of them clinching the title. As it stands after the game with Longford at Dalymount on 23/9 Bohs will only have one home game for the remaining five weeks of the season. Just as well Pats and Bray didn't get postponements for Hoare and Connolly being called up.

Yes. There were three round of fixtures in the space of a week with a Tuesday match in the middle. All the other teams were set to play on the Friday, but us and Bray were on the Saturday. Seeing as 3 games in 6 days put us at a disadvantage, both sides asked to move it to the Friday. Home teams can request to move a weekend game between the Friday, Saturday or Sunday with 12 days notice. Away team doesn't need to give permission, but we were happy to do it as well. For some reason, the FAI said no, despite it being clearly unfair when we just wanted the same amount of rest as the other teams.

A few years ago as well, we were due to play Bray midweek. We were both free the following Friday, as we were knocked out of the Cup. We asked to move it to then because it'd attract a bigger crowd, but the FAI said no because it'd be unfair on the rest of the league. It's funny that they felt that was unfair, but forcing a midweek game on Wexford is grand.

Re Pats and Bray not getting postponements, you have to have at least two players called up to either the U21s or senior side to request it.

Mushy

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

R00ster wrote: »

Weren't Cork refused permission to move a game forward around May to alleviate this sort of fixture congestion? Bohs would have been looking to the Dundalk game for a big crowd as there was the possibility of them clinching the title. As it stands after the game with Longford at Dalymount on 23/9 Bohs will only have one home game for the remaining five weeks of the season. Just as well Pats and Bray didn't get postponements for Hoare and Connolly being called up.

Yes. There were three round of fixtures in the space of a week with a Tuesday match in the middle. All the other teams were set to play on the Friday, but us and Bray were on the Saturday. Seeing as 3 games in 6 days put us at a disadvantage, both sides asked to move it to the Friday. Home teams can request to move a weekend game between the Friday, Saturday or Sunday with 12 days notice. Away team doesn't need to give permission, but we were happy to do it as well. For some reason, the FAI said no, despite it being clearly unfair when we just wanted the same amount of rest as the other teams.

A few years ago as well, we were due to play Bray midweek. We were both free the following Friday, as we were knocked out of the Cup. We asked to move it to then because it'd attract a bigger crowd, but the FAI said no because it'd be unfair on the rest of the league. It's funny that they felt that was unfair, but forcing a midweek game on Wexford is grand.

Re Pats and Bray not getting postponements, you have to have at least two players called up to either the U21s or senior side to request it.

That one v bray not moved to midweek was weird. Two weeks back, exact same situation except v Galway, it was moved from Monday to Friday.

dan1895

Connaught Rugby looking at a potentual groundshare with Galway United at Eamon Deacy Park.
http://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.302/81012/0/

A_Sober_Paddy

dan1895 wrote: »

Connaught Rugby looking at a potentual groundshare with Galway United at Eamon Deacy Park.
http://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.302/81012/0/

Is terrylands capacity greater than 8,000

johnnyryan89

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Is terrylands capacity greater than 8,000

According to wiki it holds 5000, unless connaught plan to help them increase the capacity. Be a good move for the Galway FA to get connaught rugby in there while the going is good.

WallyGUFC

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

According to wiki it holds 5000, unless connaught plan to help them increase the capacity. Be a good move for the Galway FA to get connaught rugby in there while the going is good.

Little room to expand to the 10k Connacht would need. Way out from town compared to the Sportsground. Pitch probably very tight. Minimal parking. Awful local access. GUFC getting 1,500 fans in a 10k stadium.

Never going to happen.

Randomfriend

This podcast might be interest to some of you, 1st 15 mins covers Dundalk in Europe, Pats/Derrys statements vs the FAI, and a bit on JD in general. http://goo.gl/co2Ecf

topmanamillion

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Little room to expand to the 10k Connacht would need. Way out from town compared to the Sportsground. Pitch probably very tight. Minimal parking. Awful local access. GUFC getting 1,500 fans in a 10k stadium.

Never going to happen.

I'd highly doubt Connaught NEED a 10k stadium. They haven't even sold out this weekends Pro12 game against Glasgow.
Core support is around 5k. The bandwagoners will fall off if no more Pro 12 titles are won or after a couple of tankings in Europe.
Just ask Munster with their 25k seater.

WallyGUFC

topmanamillion wrote: »

I'd highly doubt Connaught NEED a 10k stadium. They haven't even sold out this weekends Pro12 game against Glasgow.
Core support is around 5k. The bandwagoners will fall off if no more Pro 12 titles are won or after a couple of tankings in Europe.
Just ask Munster with their 25k seater.

This year for example, they'd sell out the Interpros and probably the Champions Cup games. Then, if they're as successful as last season, a few more towards the back end of the season. They've sold a record number of season tickets AFAIK.

Sportsground has sub-standard facilities but can hold 7,800. It wouldn't make any sense to leave that and move to a stadium with a capacity any less than 10k, or at least scope to expand it to that figure in future.

The access is the big issue though. GUFC get around 1,500 every game and the access and parking is shocking. Imagine having 5,000 (conservative) every second or third week. No way the Dyke Road could handle that. Plus Connacht would lose their walk-up crowd.

A_Sober_Paddy

topmanamillion wrote: »

I'd highly doubt Connaught NEED a 10k stadium. They haven't even sold out this weekends Pro12 game against Glasgow.
Core support is around 5k. The bandwagoners will fall off if no more Pro 12 titles are won or after a couple of tankings in Europe.
Just ask Munster with their 25k seater.

It's about 9k seated, 16k terrace

topmanamillion

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

It's about 9k seated, 16k terrace

It's 15,100 seated.

ben.schlomo

WallyGUFC wrote: »

This year for example, they'd sell out the Interpros and probably the Champions Cup games. Then, if they're as successful as last season, a few more towards the back end of the season. They've sold a record number of season tickets AFAIK.

Sportsground has sub-standard facilities but can hold 7,800. It wouldn't make any sense to leave that and move to a stadium with a capacity any less than 10k, or at least scope to expand it to that figure in future.

The access is the big issue though. GUFC get around 1,500 every game and the access and parking is shocking. Imagine having 5,000 (conservative) every second or third week. No way the Dyke Road could handle that. Plus Connacht would lose their walk-up crowd.

It's a 15 minute walk from town, you make it sound like it's ten miles away. The Sportsground is a ten minute walk from the Square. Terryland also has as much parking as the Sportsground I'd guess.

WallyGUFC

ben.schlomo wrote: »

It's a 15 minute walk from town, you make it sound like it's ten miles away. The Sportsground is a ten minute walk from the Square. Terryland also has as much parking as the Sportsground I'd guess.

A 15 minute walk along a narrow, unlit road with a path on 1 side and no pub along the way (no pub between Woodquay and Terryland). Doesn't make a difference to me, but I'm certain it would put people off going to watch Connacht.

Darkglasses

http://www.stadiumdesignsummit.com/exclusive-new-dawn-dublin/

Concept of the new Dalymount Park.

It's nice and all...just kinda dull. Hope they do a seat colour design or something.

red sean

Darkglasses wrote: »

http://www.stadiumdesignsummit.com/exclusive-new-dawn-dublin/

Concept of the new Dalymount Park.

It's nice and all...just kinda dull. Hope they do a seat colour design or something.

Our average attendance is between 3,000 and 4,000. We haven’t carried out any specific research, but we are anticipating a ‘bounce’ of between 1,000 and 1,500 fans for home games following the redevelopment.

WTF.
When did Bohs start getting crowds like that?

GLaDOS

Darkglasses wrote: »

http://www.stadiumdesignsummit.com/exclusive-new-dawn-dublin/

Concept of the new Dalymount Park.

It's nice and all...just kinda dull. Hope they do a seat colour design or something.

Two things about that:

Firstly it's claimed Shels will be sharing with us, Shels have shut down that idea as far as I know?

Secondly, Bohs average attendance of 3000-4000

Stadium design looks good though.

Bateman

The Shels in Dalymount stuff is further along the road than a lot of Shels fans seem to think, from what I can see...

All good news from Dublin 7 anyway

topmanamillion

red sean wrote: »

Our average attendance is between 3,000 and 4,000. We haven’t carried out any specific research, but we are anticipating a ‘bounce’ of between 1,000 and 1,500 fans for home games following the redevelopment.

WTF.
When did Bohs start getting crowds like that?

Bizarre statememt alright.
They'll get a bounce in attendances alright when it opens but like Shamrock with Tallaght they will drop off.
If they are going into this with a "if you build it they will come" attitude they'll get a surprise.

On another note, Shels are dead and buried.

pablomakaveli

topmanamillion wrote: »

If they are going into this with a "if you build it they will come" attitude they'll get a surprise.

But we're always told people will go to matches if theres better facilities.:rolleyes:

Only problem is they'll have to find another excuse not to go.

Paz-CCFC

"We have looked at safe standing terrace options for parts of the stadium and as a club it is something we would probably be in favour of as it adds to the atmosphere."


Halle-f*cking-lujah! All new builds in Ireland should be looking at safe standing accommodation, whether it be safer forms of terracing or rail-seating. Absolutely no need for Irish grounds to go all-seater. You might get the benefit of it for a handful of European matches (if you even qualify for it), which probably won't sell out anyway. Terracing is cheaper, more efficient, has better atmosphere and is safer for standing fans compared to seating. Fair play to Bohs for backing this, fans should be voicing their support to the council about it too. After all, as residents of Dublin City, it's your stadium too.

Hopefully the South Dublin Count Council follow suit and make at least some part of the planned stand at Tallaght a terrace.