LOI Talk, Rumours, Gossip, Transfers etc 2018

CHealy

Omackeral wrote: »

Disagree about St Pats. Never relegated, cup semi finalists only this weekend, won the league 3 years ago, the FAI Cup two years ago and the League Cup only last month. More succesful than Bohs lately, and I say that as a Bohs man. They'll be grand.

Thats all grand and well but where do they go from here? I know as a Cork City fan its a bit rich of me to be talking about clubs with a much longer history such as Pats, but lets say as a fan of the LOI, I just cant see how they progress. Take Sunday, a massive cup semi final on a Sunday afternoon, sun shining, two good teams, and the attendance was only 1800, 700 of that being Cork City fans. How is that even possible?

Omackeral

CHealy wrote: »

Thats all grand and well but where do they go from here? I know as a Cork City fan its a bit rich of me to be talking about clubs with a much longer history such as Pats, but lets say as a fan of the LOI, I just cant see how they progress. Take Sunday, a massive cup semi final on a Sunday afternoon, sun shining, two good teams, and the attendance was only 1800, 700 of that being Cork City fans. How is that even possible?

They were hung over from the Dublin All-Ireland win :cool:

joeysoap

County councils now own both Tallaght and Dalymount. The three clubs are very lucky in this regard, as no LOI club has the money to upgrade facilities to required standard. Good luck to both Shels and Bohs.

White Horse

Omackeral wrote: »

Disagree about St Pats. Never relegated, cup semi finalists only this weekend, won the league 3 years ago, the FAI Cup two years ago and the League Cup only last month. More succesful than Bohs lately, and I say that as a Bohs man. They'll be grand.

They won't be grand. If they couldn't get bums on seats during their privately funded period of success, they will struggle when their sugar daddy disappears.

dan1895

The below is taken from an article in the 42

"The construction of seating behind both goals, and a second stand on the Connaught Street side, will only commence following the redevelopment of the neighbouring Phibsborough Shopping Centre."

So basically this is going to be a one stand job and we'll probably all be long dead before any other work is done. I knew a 10,000 all seater would never happen.

Awesomeness

Is the replay on tv tonight

topmanamillion

dan1895 wrote: »

The below is taken from an article in the 42

"The construction of seating behind both goals, and a second stand on the Connaught Street side, will only commence following the redevelopment of the neighbouring Phibsborough Shopping Centre."

So basically this is going to be a one stand job and we'll probably all be long dead before any other work is done. I knew a 10,000 all seater would never happen.

I believe the issue is Bohs sold off the far stand to the shopping centre a few years back so that stand is part of the shopping centre development.
There's also the issue of disruption to the local area if 2 major projects like a stadium and shopping centre redevelopment were to run concurrently.
It'll be similar to Tallaght Stadium. The two main stands will go up relatively quickly, then there'll be a wait to have either end filled in.
When the stadium is rotated the goals will be where the main stands are now, and one of those will be infront of the shopping centre.

It's in the council's interest to bring capacity up to around the 6k mark as they'll be hoping to make money on concerts and other sports teams renting it out.

Zebra3

Omackeral wrote: »

Disagree about St Pats. Never relegated, cup semi finalists only this weekend, won the league 3 years ago, the FAI Cup two years ago and the League Cup only last month. More succesful than Bohs lately, and I say that as a Bohs man. They'll be grand.

Pat's crowds don't seem to what they used to be and a couple of their fans have said to me that the area has changed quite a bit and a lot of their support now live a good distance away and have to an extent lost touch with the club.

Areas where they would have picked support like Clondalkin are now quite close to shiny Tallaght Stadium, so any potential LoI newbies have somewhere else to think about going, an option that wasn't there not too long ago.

Pat's are if I'm not mistaken, a few million in debt to their owner, and Richmond could do with some modernisation, or they could do with somewhere new, either close by (not sure what land is available) or a new area (which would be hard for Pat's fans to take).

Pat's may have won more things lately than Bohs, but if things stay as they are at Pat's, Bohs in a redeveloped Dalymount would have far greater potential.

All purely my opinion as a fan of another club on the outside looking in.....

bobmalooka

Anyone know if Derry v Dundalk is on the box tonight?

Sue Pa Key Pa

Roddy gone from Waterford. It was a shlt or bust move to appoint him and it looks like the latter has come to fruition. I would be very much on my own as a Youths supporter, but I think the league needs a strong Blaa team and I hope they regain some credability

Mr.Crinklewood

bobmalooka wrote: »

Anyone know if Derry v Dundalk is on the box tonight?

Nope

red sean

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

Roddy gone from Waterford. It was a shlt or bust move to appoint him and it looks like the latter has come to fruition. I would be very much on my own as a Youths supporter, but I think the league needs a strong Blaa team and I hope they regain some credability

Watch out Galway! (Although he's never been relegated)

pablomakaveli

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

Roddy gone from Waterford. It was a shlt or bust move to appoint him and it looks like the latter has come to fruition. I would be very much on my own as a Youths supporter, but I think the league needs a strong Blaa team and I hope they regain some credability

Roddy always jumps ship when it suits him. No doubt everyone else will be blamed but himself.

bobmalooka

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Roddy always jumps ship when it suits him. No doubt everyone else will be blamed but himself.

All would have been well if John Delaney would have accepted his offer to go boxing

BOHtox

Where are Shels fans actually from? Do they get much support from the Drumcondra area? Or are most still from Ringsend? Would a move to a new area in North County Dublin have been better?

I honestly think this move is way better for Bohs than it is for Shels. If both are competing for new fans will the team in who finishes mid table in the first division attract more than a team chasing Europe in the Premier? Hella no

SantryRed

BOHtox wrote: »

Where are Shels fans actually from? Do they get much support from the Drumcondra area? Or are most still from Ringsend? Would a move to a new area in North County Dublin have been better?

I honestly think this move is way better for Bohs than it is for Shels. If both are competing for new fans will the team in who finishes mid table in the first division attract more than a team chasing Europe in the Premier? Hella no

Not even anything to do with league positions to be honest. We're moving into your heartland. It's an insane decision. The fact the club went ahead with it with a massive majority against it says it all. This deal has been signed weeks too and we all knew about it, yet the club left us in the dark.

joeysoap

Could shelbourne park greyhound stadium be used as a football ground? I would love it if Shels and Bohs both thrived at Dalyer, but from what I'm reading on here that's a big ask. I suppose it's like asking Dundalk and Drogheda to ground share, in the end only one would survive- and that would be whoever's ground was used, the other would sooner or later fold from lack of support.

artanevilla

joeysoap wrote: »

Could shelbourne park greyhound stadium be used as a football ground? I would love it if Shels and Bohs both thrived at Dalyer, but from what I'm reading on here that's a big ask. I suppose it's like asking Dundalk and Drogheda to ground share, in the end only one would survive- and that would be whoever's ground was used, the other would sooner or later fold from lack of support.

Dundalk and Drogheda is a bit different, if you're from Dundalk, you're Dundalk, if from Drogheda, you're Drogheda.

Bohs and Shels are competeing for the same area, rather than two distinct ones.

Captain Havoc

artanevilla wrote: »

Dundalk and Drogheda is a bit different, if you're from Dundalk, you're Dundalk, if from Drogheda, you're Drogheda.

Bohs and Shels are competeing for the same area, rather than two distinct ones.

I think the same, there's a clear divide there in Louth. If I lived in Drumcondra, I wouldn't mind going to watch both teams. I think it will be hard to sell first division football over premier league football.

asteroids over berlin

topmanamillion wrote: »

I believe the issue is Bohs sold off the far stand to the shopping centre a few years back so that stand is part of the shopping centre development.
There's also the issue of disruption to the local area if 2 major projects like a stadium and shopping centre redevelopment were to run concurrently.
It'll be similar to Tallaght Stadium. The two main stands will go up relatively quickly, then there'll be a wait to have either end filled in.
When the stadium is rotated the goals will be where the main stands are now, and one of those will be infront of the shopping centre.

It's in the council's interest to bring capacity up to around the 6k mark as they'll be hoping to make money on concerts and other sports teams renting it out.

I think there is an esb or telecoms line under or near the quinnsworth end terrace too which adds to the difficulties

ben.schlomo

red sean wrote: »

Watch out Galway! (Although he's never been relegated)

Id like to think weve been burned enough times by chancers e.g. Cousins, Connor and Leeson to fall for it again.

GLaDOS

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

I think there is an esb or telecoms line under or near the quinnsworth end terrace too which adds to the difficulties

Quinnsworth, jaysis

Omackeral

GLaDOS wrote: »

Quinnsworth, jaysis

Gotta get those K.V.I branded goodies!

joeysoap

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Id like to think weve been burned enough times by chancers e.g. Cousins, Connor and Leeson to fall for it again.

Supposed to be getting a player manager.

Saint_Mel

joeysoap wrote: »

Supposed to be getting a player manager.

Thats the trick .... you might end up with Roddy so ... Snr in the dugout and Jnr on the pitch! Roddy Collins Player Manger

White Horse

Apparently this the FAI's proposed October schedule for Dundalk:

8th – Sligo (H)
11th – Cork (H)
14th – Rovers (A)
17th – Longford (A)
20th – Zenit (H)
23rd – Bohs (H)
25th – Pats (A)
28th – Galway (H)


Crazy stuff.

GLaDOS

If Dundalk manage a second double with that schedule it will be truly incredible

justshane

White Horse wrote: »

Apparently this the FAI's proposed October schedule for Dundalk:

8th – Sligo (H)
11th – Cork (H)
14th – Rovers (A)
17th – Longford (A)
20th – Zenit (H)
23rd – Bohs (H)
25th – Pats (A)
28th – Galway (H)


Crazy stuff.

I honestly don't think Bayern or Juventus could play them fixtures and get maximum points.

gimmick

White Horse wrote: »

Apparently this the FAI's proposed October schedule for Dundalk:

8th – Sligo (H)
11th – Cork (H)
14th – Rovers (A)
17th – Longford (A)
20th – Zenit (H)
23rd – Bohs (H)
25th – Pats (A)
28th – Galway (H)


Crazy stuff.

Thats pretty tough looking, but what do you propose instead?

White Horse

gimmick wrote: »

Thats pretty tough looking, but what do you propose instead?

I would like the season extended. It is not as if this would give Dundalk a competitive advantage over Cork as their schedule is almost as bad.

A compensation package would have to be offered to any clubs out of pocket and this should be taken out of Dundalk's European earnings. In the context of €7m, it would be very small.

justshane

gimmick wrote: »

Thats pretty tough looking, but what do you propose instead?

Unfortunate for Dundalk I don't think anything can be changed. Seriously though if Cork don't win a trophy this year I'd say they will have the most pissed off fans ever, never a better chance to win the league and should really win the cup with Dundalk playing in Russia the Thursday before.

White Horse

justshane wrote: »

Unfortunate for Dundalk I don't think anything can be changed. Seriously though if Cork don't win a trophy this year I'd say they will have the most pissed off fans ever, never a better chance to win the league and should really win the cup with Dundalk playing in Russia the Thursday before.

This congestion gives Dundalk a competitive advantage in the league as they have better back up.

For example, Dundalk can easily rest McMillan in the league, can Cork rest Maguire.

Same for the Dundalk back four compared to the Cork back four.

gimmick

In typical LOI fashion, it takes farce to happen before anything can be changed.

Season will be extended next season. 36 week season with a 3 week break is daft.

But CCFC and DFC must take some of the burden of responsibilty as well given they requested all the postponements (which by playing the games within the timeframe of the season, I guess they are).

CHealy

If Dundalk win the league and cup double this year, I will finally admit they are the greatest LOI club side. That schedule is nuts, I struggle with 2 games a week at a high enough junior football level.

NIMAN

For me, there is no argument. This is the best LoI side I have ever watched play football.

dundalkfc10

justshane wrote: »

I honestly don't think Bayern or Juventus could play them fixtures and get maximum points.

The next week decides the Title IMO, Galway V Cork, Dundalk V Sligo followed by Dundalk V Cork then Rovers V Dundalk, Cork V Finn Harps

All in the space of 7 days.

if we win our 2 at home, il have a pint to celebrate

joeysoap

White Horse wrote: »

Apparently this the FAI's proposed October schedule for Dundalk:

8th – Sligo (H)
11th – Cork (H)
14th – Rovers (A)
17th – Longford (A)
20th – Zenit (H)
23rd – Bohs (H)
25th – Pats (A)
28th – Galway (H)


Crazy stuff.

And it doesn't end there. Away to Zenit on 3rd and cup final on 6th. Magdalene laundries might give it run for the money but would probably concede.

Have to confess I am surprised the LOI squeezes the Longford match in before the crucial Zenit home match. Maybe FAI hoping the problem child will just go away.

joeysoap

CHealy wrote: »

If Dundalk win the league and cup double this year, I will finally admit they are the greatest LOI club side. That schedule is nuts, I struggle with 2 games a week at a high enough junior football level.

Allowing Dundalk don't complete the double or even single, out curiosity which League of Ireland teams do you consider were/are better than this team?

* if Dundalk were to lose every match between now and Christmas

1) they will still be league runners up
2) they will still be cup runners up
3 they will still have achieved more than any other LOI club has ever achieved in Europe. 4 points in the Europa League group stages has earned a lot of respect for the league abroad.

CHealy

joeysoap wrote: »

Out of curiosity which League of Ireland teams do you consider were/are better than this team?

Shelbourne early/mid 2000's were superstars, should that team somehow be beamed into the present I think they'd win as much if not more as Dundalk, but the league was a much much higher quality back then so it was more competitive.

White Horse

CHealy wrote: »

Shelbourne early/mid 2000's were superstars, should that team somehow be beamed into the present I think they'd win as much if not more as Dundalk, but the league was a much much higher quality back then so it was more competitive.

I saw all of Shels home European games in 2004 and 2005. They didn't come close to the level of performances achieved by Dundalk in Europe this season.

While the quality of the LOI in different periods is quite variable, there is a lot more consistency in the level of European football.

BOHtox

The Bohs 08 team that won a very strong league by 19 points has to be up there too. They won the domestic double that year and were beaten in the last minute by a very strong Red Bull Salzburg side.

joeysoap

Before the BATE match so a lot has changed

https://www.balls.ie/football/what-was-the-greatest-league-of-ireland-team-ever-assembled/341425

White Horse

BOHtox wrote: »

The Bohs 08 team that won a very strong league by 19 points has to be up there too. They won the domestic double that year and were beaten in the last minute by a very strong Red Bull Salzburg side.

That was some side. I would have loved to see what they could have gone on to achieve. Financial problems resulted in that team breaking up before it's time.

CHealy

White Horse wrote: »

I saw all of Shels home European games in 2004 and 2005. They didn't come close to the level of performances achieved by Dundalk in Europe this season.

While the quality of the LOI in different periods is quite variable, there is a lot more consistency in the level of European football.

Just my opinion bud, not being petty either, just think the early and mid 2000's were a great time for LOI football and that Shels team broke new ground, if theres any difference between that Shels team and the current Dundalk team, its minimal.

The 2005 Cork City team should be one of the greatest with the players we had but in true Cork fashion we managed to fcuk all that up.

White Horse

CHealy wrote: »

The 2005 Cork City team should be one of the greatest with the players we had but in true Cork fashion we managed to fcuk all that up.

So many LOI teams never got to realise their potential. The 2005 side could have gone on to be the best. No question there.

When you look at it on paper, it is frightening how good it was.

CHealy

White Horse wrote: »

So many LOI teams never got to realise their potential. The 2005 side could have gone on to be the best. No question there.

When you look at it on paper, it is frightening how good it was.

It was something else. Horgan, Danny Murphy, Dan Murray, Joe Gamble, Liam Kearney, Georgie, Roy O'Donovan, Billy Woods, Neale Fenn, John O'Flynn................you're upsetting me now.

ShamoBuc

CHealy wrote: »

It was something else. Horgan, Danny Murphy, Dan Murray, Joe Gamble, Liam Kearney, Georgie, Roy O'Donovan, Billy Woods, Neale Fenn, John O'Flynn................you're upsetting me now.

That really was a great team with some fantastic footballers, I enjoyed watching them a lot, especially O'Flynn.

AgileMyth

Kenny to Villa? Surely not

ShamoBuc

AgileMyth wrote: »

Kenny to Villa? Surely not

Think that would be a bad move for him. Another year with Dundalk at least. Plenty of time for him to go to a club as poorly run as villa.

sidcon

AgileMyth wrote: »

Kenny to Villa? Surely not

That's coming from an April 1st article on Facebook