LOI Talk, Rumours, Gossip, Transfers etc 2018

howiya

Supposing your boycott results in Shels folding. What do supporters do then? Sit around and chat about the good times?

Or if the chairman answers the two questions in the statement and the supporters aren't happy with the answers? Boycott continue and club folds?

Zebra3

howiya wrote: »

Supposing your boycott results in Shels folding. What do supporters do then? Sit around and chat about the good times?

Or if the chairman answers the two questions in the statement and the supporters aren't happy with the answers? Boycott continue and club folds?

Do you think fans should just keep handing their money over to liars?

AgileMyth

gimmick wrote: »

if Shells fans stayed away would anyone actually notice?

Cork fans taking shots at clubs falling on hard times is a bit rich.

overshoot

Kyle Callan McFadden seems to be off to Sligo, ex Norwich, leaving Orlando City. Had hoped we could snap him up. Going to need a new central defensive pair next year

Corholio

AgileMyth wrote: »

Cork fans taking shots at clubs falling on hard times is a bit rich.

Cork fan

gimmick

AgileMyth wrote: »

Cork fans taking shots at clubs falling on hard times is a bit rich.

Given how the Shells fans revelled at our misery a few years ago, they are completely fair game imo.

Corholio wrote: »

Cork fan

You really are a holier than thou tool :rolleyes:

dundalkfc10

gimmick wrote: »

Given how the Shells fans revelled at our misery a few years ago, they are completely fair game imo.




You really are a holier than thou tool :rolleyes:

At Least Shels fans can say they were always Shelbourne FC and not like Cork City FC, Cork City Foras, Cork City Utd or whatever other name they played out of Cork!

CHealy

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

At Least Shels fans can say they were always Shelbourne FC and not like Cork City FC, Cork City Foras, Cork City Utd or whatever other name they played out of Cork!

Classy as always from dundalkfc10, c'mere we havnt seen you over on the CCFC Forum in a few weeks, whats that about?

You'd think with Dundalk playing a Europa League group stage game tonight with a great chance of qualifying, you'd have better things to do other than goad Cork City fans on an internet forum, but again you show yourself to be a great source of entertainment to me personally, and probably a load others.

Go have a few pints for yourself FFS and enjoy the position you find yourself in tonight.

Corholio

gimmick wrote: »

You really are a holier than thou tool :rolleyes:

Hmm. I think you misunderstood.

I highlighted 'fan' as it's just 1 persons opinion, and not 'fans'

But very unlike you to exaggerate anything

pablomakaveli

CHealy wrote: »

Classy as always from dundalkfc10, c'mere we havnt seen you over on the CCFC Forum in a few weeks, whats that about?

Intersting how the other Dundalk fans on the forum graciously congratulated us on our win but he was like a fart in the wind.

Paz-CCFC

howiya wrote: »

Supposing your boycott results in Shels folding. What do supporters do then? Sit around and chat about the good times?

Or if the chairman answers the two questions in the statement and the supporters aren't happy with the answers? Boycott continue and club folds?

It's not the fans fault if a club goes to the wall. Unless it's a fan-owned club, they're not the ones that set the budgets, run the club etc. It's their money, they can do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to sources other than Shelbourne FC Limited (or whatever the company name is), then they're entitled to do that. To try and shift the blame onto club supporters for the mismanagement of their club (or indeed, simply being unlucky, as is the case with many folded companies) is nothing but emotional blackmail. Not necessarily saying you're doing that now, but it's an attitude often seen, although moreso by negligent owners trying to pass the buck. It was done by Coughlan during his last days at City, trying to blame everyone but himself.

There's no reason why Shels fans boycotting could put that money to independent supporters' groups which could one day have a stake in the club, maybe even own it outright. This kind of thing worked out fairly well for other clubs in the long run.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

At Least Shels fans can say they were always Shelbourne FC and not like Cork City FC, Cork City Foras, Cork City Utd or whatever other name they played out of Cork!

No they can't. They were essentially Reds United for a season when they were kicked out of the league a few decades ago. A club that was formed by ex-Shels members to hold their place in the league until Shelbourne were reformed the following season and re-entered. Every club that's been around since the 90s or before have gone bust/been liquidated and reformed under a new guise or company. It's just that before the mid-90s, company law and football regulations were a lot more relaxed, so you could let the holding company go bust and have all the club assets, player contracts etc. transferred to a new company. The club would just carry on like normal. This could even happen bang smack in the middle of the season without any repercussions. Nowadays, the law is a lot stricter about defrauding creditors by moving assets from an ailing company and the league regulations don't just allow for passing a licence on.

In the past, weren't the modern Dundalk Football Club (also known as Dundalk Town FC) called Great Northern Railway FC and Dundalk GNR?

Sue Pa Key Pa

Damian Locke, former head coach, is the new Youths Manager. Will Doyle as assistant

howiya

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

It's not the fans fault if a club goes to the wall. Unless it's a fan-owned club, they're not the ones that set the budgets, run the club etc. It's their money, they can do what they want with it. If they choose to give it to sources other than Shelbourne FC Limited (or whatever the company name is), then they're entitled to do that. To try and shift the blame onto club supporters for the mismanagement of their club (or indeed, simply being unlucky, as is the case with many folded companies) is nothing but emotional blackmail. Not necessarily saying you're doing that now, but it's an attitude often seen, although moreso by negligent owners trying to pass the buck. It was done by Coughlan during his last days at City, trying to blame everyone but himself.

There's no reason why Shels fans boycotting could put that money to independent supporters' groups which could one day have a stake in the club, maybe even own it outright. This kind of thing worked out fairly well for other clubs in the long run.

Yeah not into the emotional blackmail but simply wondering what the end game is.

I mean the statement wants answers to two questions. The chairman could (but probably won't if it's got this far) answer them in the morning but given the level of distrust would the answers be believed or deemed to be enough?

I think there is already a group of supporters putting money aside towards potential fan ownership

howiya

Zebra3 wrote: »

Do you think fans should just keep handing their money over to liars?

Well i'm more curious to be honest as to how it'll be resolved. As another poster said it's entirely up to people how they spend their money.

blue-army

Waterford United to be renamed 'Waterford FC.'

Pat Fenlon is the new Director of Football, with Alan Reynolds head coach.

To be confirmed on Monday!

Gonna be interesting to see what kind of players they bring in with the new investment.

Gavin "shels"

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

Is the supporters group pushing for a Ringsend return?

Dalymount is a done deal, I think the majority of Shels fans have accepted this but it's the lies and lack of transparency.

howiya wrote: »

Supposing your boycott results in Shels folding. What do supporters do then? Sit around and chat about the good times?

Or if the chairman answers the two questions in the statement and the supporters aren't happy with the answers? Boycott continue and club folds?

I'd imagine, long term it would be for a fans run club to be established and set up similar to what Cork done.

topmanamillion

blue-army wrote: »

Waterford United to be renamed 'Waterford FC.'

Pat Fenlon is the new Director of Football, with Alan Reynolds head coach.

To be confirmed on Monday!

Gonna be interesting to see what kind of players they bring in with the new investment.

None of that makes a lick of sense.

Why rename them?
Why not just make Fenlon the manager and give him a half decent budget?

Fenlon`s stock might be a bit low after the Shamrock job but he`s still a decent manager and would walk Waterford to the title.

Christy Browne

topmanamillion wrote: »

None of that makes a lick of sense.

Why rename them?
Why not just make Fenlon the manager and give him a half decent budget?

Fenlon`s stock might be a bit low after the Shamrock job but he`s still a decent manager and would walk Waterford to the title.

The rename is just a way of freshening things up a little, we were at our most successful as Waterford FC in the 70's so it taps into a bit of nostalgia and lets people know that this is a fresh start. The Waterford United name has become a bit damaged in recent years anyway.

The Fenlon part I don't really understand to be honest, maybe going for a more continental approach with the DOF to give a bit of stability to the club?

monkey9

topmanamillion wrote: »

None of that makes a lick of sense.

Why rename them?
Why not just make Fenlon the manager and give him a half decent budget?

Fenlon`s stock might be a bit low after the Shamrock job but he`s still a decent manager and would walk Waterford to the title.

Absolutely agree. The name change is beyond nonsensical ridiculousness and why are they wasting time giving that role to Pat Fenlon when we all know he'll end up as manager anyway.

blue-army

monkey9 wrote: »

Absolutely agree. The name change is beyond nonsensical ridiculousness and why are they wasting time giving that role to Pat Fenlon when we all know he'll end up as manager anyway.

Waterford United has almost gone out of business a few times in the last decade. Last season we averaged 300 fans at games.
Waterford FC is a throwback to the glory days and hopefully the name change will grab people's attention locally and get the crowds back. Waterford is a huge football city and if this investment works on the pitch, the crowds will return - no doubt about it. This is the first time in years that there's a bit of a buzz about the Blues!

Regarding Fenlon - I've heard he's Director of Football rather than manager because he's not going to be full time. This could be bs, but it's what I've heard.

Chairman Lee Power recently made Tim Sherwood DOF at his other club, Swindon Town. He seems to be picking the team there, so maybe Fenlon will have the same authority at the Blues.

CHealy

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Intersting how the other Dundalk fans on the forum graciously congratulated us on our win but he was like a fart in the wind.

Absolutely, the majority were very gracious in defeat. Dundalkfc10 is a bit special though, he likes to swoop in at the most random times and have a good go, i suppose if its his way of venting then so be it. Most likely case is he is a 14 year old who started going in when they won the league in 2014.

johnnyryan89

monkey9 wrote: »

Absolutely agree. The name change is beyond nonsensical ridiculousness and why are they wasting time giving that role to Pat Fenlon when we all know he'll end up as manager anyway.

Just to sound fancy. He'll be the manager in the sense of picking the teams, tactics, identifying players needed and Reynolds will be his assistant whose in charged with over seeing training hence the head coach title.

Oat23

blue-army wrote: »

Chairman Lee Power recently made Tim Sherwood DOF at his other club, Swindon Town. He seems to be picking the team there, so maybe Fenlon will have the same authority at the Blues.

I knew that sounded too stupid to be true and I had to give the telegraph a click to confirm it.

It doesn't say anywhere in that article that Sherwood is picking the team.

blue-army

Oat23 wrote: »

I knew that sounded too stupid to be true and I had to give the telegraph a click to confirm it.

It doesn't say anywhere in that article that Sherwood is picking the team.

"Sherwood - whose Spurs team finished sixth in the Premier League in 2014 and who reached the FA Cup final with Villa in 2015 - will pick the team and decide tactics, as well as take the lead in transfer negotiations, with head coach Luke Williams now dedicated purely to working the squad on the training ground."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3923860/Tim-Sherwood-unveiled-Swindon-Town-director-football.html#ixzz4R13oG0tf

Oat23

blue-army wrote: »

"Sherwood - whose Spurs team finished sixth in the Premier League in 2014 and who reached the FA Cup final with Villa in 2015 - will pick the team and decide tactics, as well as take the lead in transfer negotiations, with head coach Luke Williams now dedicated purely to working the squad on the training ground."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3923860/Tim-Sherwood-unveiled-Swindon-Town-director-football.html#ixzz4R13oG0tf

I'd rather not visit the daily mail so I'll take your word for it. :pac:

Sounds like a stupid setup if true.

joeysoap

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

In the past, weren't the modern Dundalk Football Club (also known as Dundalk Town FC) called Great Northern Railway FC and Dundalk GNR?

Hi PazCCFC


Dundalk were certainly founded as a railway team and GNR is on the collar of the current jersey. Renamed Dundalk FC in 1930. Can't ever recall Dundalk Town but that's not to say it didn't exist.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundalk_F.C.#

wadacrack

The best striker in Ireland will play for St Patrick's Athletic in 2017 and 2018. Christy Fagan remains a Saint!!

Pat D. Almighty

howiya wrote: »

I think there is already a group of supporters putting money aside towards potential fan ownership

Good idea. On a side note, I would love to see the 60/40 owenership rule brought in to Irish football.

kksaints

wadacrack wrote: »

The best striker in Ireland will play for St Patrick's Athletic in 2017 and 2018. Christy Fagan remains a Saint!!

Delighted with that. Hopefully we can get our midfield and centre backs sorted now.

Wilberto

wadacrack wrote:

The best striker in Ireland will play for St Patrick's Athletic in 2017 and 2018. Christy Fagan remains a Saint!!

Boooo! What an anticlimax. :pac:

MD1990

Tolka is on fire.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-fire-brigade-battle-fire-at-shelbourne-fc-35245565.html

ShamoBuc

MD1990 wrote: »

Tolka is on fire.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-fire-brigade-battle-fire-at-shelbourne-fc-35245565.html

That's one way!!

Oat23

"We don't want to move!"

/burns down current ground

AgileMyth

The fire has already caused thousands of euros of improvements to the ground.

Wilberto

MD1990 wrote: »

Tolka is on fire.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-fire-brigade-battle-fire-at-shelbourne-fc-35245565.html

Your defence is terrified!





Sorry. Force of habit.

joeysoap

They have a defence?

eire4

MD1990 wrote: »

Tolka is on fire.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-fire-brigade-battle-fire-at-shelbourne-fc-35245565.html

hmmmm insurance payout anybody:)

Omackeral

MD1990 wrote: »

Tolka is on fire.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-fire-brigade-battle-fire-at-shelbourne-fc-35245565.html

ShelBURN.

artanevilla

Tolka Spark?

Ferris_Bueller

Don't know what to make of the recent plans laid out by both Waterford and Bray, it would be great for the league if both teams did push onto a higher level and become two full time teams who could attract decent crowds and really live up to their potential as clubs (Waterford especially), but how many times have we seen attempts like this fail?

Had a quick look through Brays strategic five year plan and it seems very ambitious and I would wonder how realistic it is; move to a new grounds by 2021 and be debt free by 2021, average crowds of 1,500, qualify and win a game in Europe, have a minimum of two players signing for clubs in the UK annually, qualify for the U.19 Champions League within the 5 year plan.. They are setting the bar fairly high, which is good to see in a way, but something tells me this is going to fail and Bray could be in real danger in a few years time.

I don't know as much about Waterfords plans, but getting Pat Fenlon and Alan Reynolds in can't be cheap and their owner seems to be targeting European football as well within the next few years despite the fact Waterford haven't even played premier division football in a very long time.

I would think if both clubs plans are to have a realistic chance of happening they will need a lot of investment from the FAI. Will all of the clubs in the league be releasing their strategic plans over the next few months?

OldMrBrennan83

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AgileMyth

Brays plan is ridiculous. They aim to be playing out of a new stadium in five years and they haven't even identified a site?

Didas

AgileMyth wrote: »

Brays plan is ridiculous. They aim to be playing out of a new stadium in five years and they haven't even identified a site?

Their chairman Denis O'Connor is an absolute bluffer with strong links to property developers. As soon as the Carlisle grounds are turned into apartments he will bail out and Bray will be saddled with debt and a half built 'stadium' in the middle of nowhere.

topmanamillion

tonygun wrote: »

Their chairman Denis O'Connor is an absolute bluffer with strong links to property developers. As soon as the Carlisle grounds are turned into apartments he will bail out and Bray will be saddled with debt and a half built 'stadium' in the middle of nowhere.

No way does it turn out any differently than this.
A half built stadium could end up being a best case scenario, far more chance they`ll be booted out on their hole playing in the Belfield Bowl or Stradbrook.

The Carlisle Grounds is in an ideal central location. They are on about building a "complex" with training pitches and car parks and more pie in the sky stuff.
If O`Connor was serious about improving the club he`d redevelop the Carlise ground into a nice 3 or 4,000 seater which would be more than ample for a club that currently attracts an average of 700 people to games.
They could then be free to develop a training complex on the out skirts of Bray/south Dublin.
If I was a Bray fan looking at that document I`d be up in arms. I`d be demanding any plans to move out of the Carlisle Grounds are scapped and O`Connor signs a legally binding agreement that Bray wont move out of the Carlisle Grounds. If he refuses get him out.

Captain Havoc

I think if you're in a central location, you've a chance of attracting crowds, especially if you're doing well. Edge of town is not the way forward at all, if Bray end up in the first division, they can kiss their crowds goodbye.

Darkglasses

Are there any Irish clubs that did well from moving from a central location to a suburban/rural one?

artanevilla

Darkglasses wrote: »

Are there any Irish clubs that did well from moving from a central location to a suburban/rural one?

Rovers, probably kept the club alive.

topmanamillion

artanevilla wrote: »

Rovers, probably kept the club alive.

You could hardly call 20 odd years of homelessness a success!

AgileMyth

artanevilla wrote: »

Rovers, probably kept the club alive.

Is there a suburb of Bray with 100,000 people in it?

I can see Bray following Shams model of selling their ground with absolutely no backup plan. Can't see them surviving it though.

joeysoap

Bray have one of the best located grounds in the LOI.

Rovers are a different story. I doubt if 50% of their fans were ever in Glenmalure Park, and couldn't point out on a map were it was located. But they have an ideal base where they are now big (young) population, on the Luas line, and play in a terrific stadium that they will only have to rent. In reality they are a 'new' club with a famous name and tradition behind them. Won't work for most clubs including Bray.