LOI Talk, Rumours, Gossip, Transfers etc 2018

MD1990

CHealy wrote: »

We developed him from an u19 stage to breaking into the first team, regardless of wheter he ever signed pro forms with us we wouild still be entitle to the 60% if ye were to sell him to England within two years I believe. Dont ask me the ins and outs but its explained well on the CCFC Forum if your on that.

It would be a mistake because Cork City will be fighting for a league title and looking to progress even further in Europe this year. We will at some stage need every player signed up so it wont be a case of him not getting his chance, Caulfield brought him on with loads left in the second half of the Cup Final at 0-0, he clearly trusts him. Look if the lad want guaranteed first team football then fair enough, but I think he's more likely to be fighting it out in a relegation battle with Limerick that will ultimately get him no where rather than scrapping for a place in a City squad going for a league and European progression, the ultimate shop window for LOI club players.

Hasn't he only been at Cork since August 2015?

He is a long way off going to England.
I can see why he is going to Limerick. They play a good style & Russell is good at developing young players.

PGE1970

New Cork/Limerick thread to discuss this Carlos Tevez like transfer perhaps???

pablomakaveli

If the rumours of him acting the maggot are true than honestly we might be dodging a bullet. Still a pity the way its gone though.

The_Kew_Tour

Acting the maggot in what kinda way?

topmanamillion

CHealy wrote: »

Incorrect, we would be entitled to a compensation fee from Limerick and we would get 60% of any sell on fee should he move from Limerick within the next two years. Confirmed by solicitor on another forum.

The solicitor is Incorrect. The 60% sell on fee is only valid for the first year. It operates on a sliding scale after that. His junior club(s) would be entitled to the majority of that as they trained him for the longest.

From the FAI`s website:

"If the player is transferred between Associations after becoming professional, the training clubs will receive up to 60% of the transfer fee as follows:

Player is transferred within 12 months of change of status: 60% of transfer fee

Player is transferred within 24 months of change of status: 45% of transfer fee

Player is transferred within 36 months of change of status: 20% of transfer fee

Player is transferred within 48 months of change of status: 10% of transfer fee "

CSF

People seem to be going over the top on this. Doesn't make someone a bad apple to go from one Premier Division club who pay well to another Premier Division club who pay well.

Likely he thinks he'll get better opportunities there.

dundalkfc10

All the crap talk about advice from people, family dictating terms.

Maybe just maybe the kid wanted to play football every week!

Corholio

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

All the crap talk about advice from people, family dictating terms.

Maybe just maybe the kid wanted to play football every week!

How is it crap talk if you don't know either? Especially using the word 'maybe'

AgileMyth

Nothing unusual about a young lad taking a step down to play first team football. Darly Horgan did the same when he joined Cork.

Left Back on the Bench

MD1990 wrote:

Kenny is a better player than Turner. Ogbene will probably be uo against Dean Clarke for the left wing position but Clarke is a striker as well.

Kenny is hopeless

CHealy

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

All the crap talk about advice from people, family dictating terms.

Maybe just maybe the kid wanted to play football every week!

Here he is la......

johnnyryan89

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

All the crap talk about advice from people, family dictating terms.

Maybe just maybe the kid wanted to play football every week!

Get outta here with that kinda logic, a 19yr old who just wants to play ball week in week out. Who'd have thought eh.

gimmick

Been told that he is regretting the move already. He didnt understand the whole "being retained" thing and immediately wanted to renege on the contract as he is now essentially tied to Limerick until he is 24.

Also, money wise it seems that staying at City would have been better for him once bonuses etc kick in.

Very very badly advised, if even he was advised at all.

White Horse

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/clifford-ready-to-fall-back-in-love-with-the-game-35379580.html

Good interview with Conor Clifford in the Independent today.

Lads like Clifford and Paul Corry have endured tough times in England. It is great to see them coming back to the LOI and being enthusiastic about it.

AgileMyth

gimmick wrote: »

Been told that he is regretting the move already. He didnt understand the whole "being retained" thing and immediately wanted to renege on the contract as he is now essentially tied to Limerick until he is 24.

Also, money wise it seems that staying at City would have been better for him once bonuses etc kick in.

Very very badly advised, if even he was advised at all.

He hasn't signed for anybody yet, what's he regretting?

gimmick

AgileMyth wrote: »

He hasn't signed for anybody yet, what's he regretting?

From what I'm told he signed on Tuesday.

joeysoap

AgileMyth wrote: »

Nothing unusual about a young lad taking a step down to play first team football. Darly Horgan did the same when he joined Cork.

It wasn't a step down, but didn't Maguire leave Dundalk for the same reason?

CantGetNoSleep

PGE1970 wrote: »

New Cork/Limerick thread to discuss this Carlos Tevez like transfer perhaps???

Anyone know where you'd get a "Welcome to Limerick" poster?

CHealy

joeysoap wrote: »

It wasn't a step down, but didn't Maguire leave Dundalk for the same reason?

To be fair it was at the time, City were 1st Division when he came in on loan originally from Sligo and we ended up signing him. Maguire is just a case of a transfer working out incredibly well. Correct me if Im wrong but I believe Kenny wanted to keep a hold of him but couldn't guarantee him the same gametime he'd get at City?

Is it a simple case of a young fella wanting to play ball for Ogbene going to Limerick? No way. If the deal he has been said to have signed is true, then he has been on the receiving end of disastrous advise if he does have intentions of going to England.

PGE1970

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Anyone know where you'd get a "Welcome to Limerick" poster?

Surely a "Welcome to the Real Munster"???!!

topmanamillion

gimmick wrote: »

Been told that he is regretting the move already. He didnt understand the whole "being retained" thing and immediately wanted to renege on the contract as he is now essentially tied to Limerick until he is 24.

Also, money wise it seems that staying at City would have been better for him once bonuses etc kick in.

Very very badly advised, if even he was advised at all.

How is he tied to Limerick until he`s 24? Unless he signed a 5 year contract which would be truly extraordinary in this league.

wadacrack

CHealy wrote: »

To be fair it was at the time, City were 1st Division when he came in on loan originally from Sligo and we ended up signing him. Maguire is just a case of a transfer working out incredibly well. Correct me if Im wrong but I believe Kenny wanted to keep a hold of him but couldn't guarantee him the same gametime he'd get at City?

Is it a simple case of a young fella wanting to play ball for Ogbene going to Limerick? No way. If the deal he has been said to have signed is true, then he has been on the receiving end of disastrous advise if he does have intentions of going to England.

Why is it that disastrous of a move footballing wise. Limerick play a good brand of football and Markets Field should have good crowds. He should have more opportunities with Limerick also

JoeyJJ

Sander Puri to Waterford rumours

gimmick

topmanamillion wrote: »

How is he tied to Limerick until he`s 24? Unless he signed a 5 year contract which would be truly extraordinary in this league.

Through retention. All they need do is offer him a new contract when his current deal is winding down and they will be able to command a fee regardless of whether he accepts it or not.

joeysoap

CHealy wrote: »

To be fair it was at the time, City were 1st Division when he came in on loan originally from Sligo and we ended up signing him. Maguire is just a case of a transfer working out incredibly well. Correct me if Im wrong but I believe Kenny wanted to keep a hold of him but couldn't guarantee him the same gametime he'd get at City?

Is it a simple case of a young fella wanting to play ball for Ogbene going to Limerick? No way. If the deal he has been said to have signed is true, then he has been on the receiving end of disastrous advise if he does have intentions of going to England.

Kenny wanted to hold him for sure, but as he was one of 3 (McMillan, Kikduff) Dundalk couldn't guarantee first team football, while City almost could. Isn't that the same here, with Limerick the young lad (who looked good in the Aviva) has a better chance of regular first team football. I have posted earlier about the benefits or otherwise to City, Pats, Dundalk etc running U15, U17 and U19 teams as it's very hard for even good players to make it, usually the beneficiaries are the other clubs. (Tin hat time).

wadacrack

Ogbene not likely to play much football with Cork next season. Not u19 anymore and without a u23/reserve league he would be playing very little football more than likely with Dooley Sheppard and Beattie all ahead of him for a wing position.

gimmick

We will never know, but with Europe and another run to the cup final to play Dundalk again, I reckon he could have started 15 - 20 games over the season. Not too shabby for a guy who has only just made the breakthrough.

CHealy

wadacrack wrote: »

Ogbene not likely to play much football with Cork next season. Not u19 anymore and without a u23/reserve league he would be playing very little football more than likely with Dooley Sheppard and Beattie all ahead of him for a wing position.

I think he would have got enough chances, he was brought on at the Cup Final at 0-0 mid way through the second half, thats a big stage and Caulfield trusted him enough to do it. Had a great chance aswll only for a fine save from Rogers.

If England is his goal, then theres not many clubs that can match Cork City for sending fellas over and especially with half the regular 11 being offered deals in England after our Europa run.

Either way I wish him all the best at Limerick, he always gave 100% when he put on the City shirt be it u19 or senior, and having followed his progress, I hope everything works out for him.

In other news, John Kavanagh signed a new contract with City today, if he can stay injury free he will be like a new signing for us following being out all of last year. We beat UCC 2-0 in a friendly last night, mostly trialists and new signings playing, Aganovic impressed at CB and our new hero Pascal doing a bit of huffing and puffing.

Also great to see Dundalk replace the pitch, I know its artificial again but literally anything would be better than what was there.

Corholio

wadacrack wrote: »

Ogbene not likely to play much football with Cork next season. Not u19 anymore and without a u23/reserve league he would be playing very little football more than likely with Dooley Sheppard and Beattie all ahead of him for a wing position.

Ogbene would have got a fair few chances next season. Shep is hot and cold and would be comfortably vying with him for a place, Beattie will hopefully be moved further up now Kav will be back fit and Dooley should start left wing but Ogbene can play both sides, not sure why some think he's just a left winger.

AgileMyth

joeysoap wrote: »

It wasn't a step down, but didn't Maguire leave Dundalk for the same reason?

They were in the first division when he went on loan. We won the league the year he went permanently..

topmanamillion

gimmick wrote: »

Through retention. All they need do is offer him a new contract when his current deal is winding down and they will be able to command a fee regardless of whether he accepts it or not.

Not true.
It`s E150 compensation for every year he is with Limerick up until the age of 23.
The key is a transfer to a foreign FA. They would have to share out that money with his "training clubs

johnnyryan89

Offically announced

https://mobile.twitter.com/LimerickFCie/status/822152593916985345?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Great signing for Limerick.

doncarlos

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Offically announced

https://mobile.twitter.com/LimerickFCie/status/822152593916985345?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Great signing for Limerick.

Looks like a great bit of business. Looked very raw anytime I've seen him but tones of potential.

Corholio

Disappointed to lose him and it will be interesting to see what comes out about why he's ended up at Limerick. However, while he showed talent, he wasn't absolutely amazing either that some people seem to be making out, was just a lot of potential. I'm not sure if it's just to make it seem like a huge loss to City or what. I would bet a lot haven't seen him play much anyway, heck even a lot of City fans wouldn't have.

White Horse

Its very difficult for teams at the top of the league to give young players enough game time.

It's no surprise that Cork and Dundalk have both lost their most promising young player to other clubs.

wadacrack

Corholio wrote: »

Disappointed to lose him and it will be interesting to see what comes out about why he's ended up at Limerick. However, while he showed talent, he wasn't absolutely amazing either that some people seem to be making out, was just a lot of potential. I'm not sure if it's just to make it seem like a huge loss to City or what. I would bet a lot haven't seen him play much anyway, heck even a lot of City fans wouldn't have.

Would agree with this. He is a talent but needs to tidy up his game technically. This is probably why he never got called to the Irish u19 squad last year

damemcd

Dundalk are going with the plastic for next year.......hope they have it nice and manicured for us in february..

applehunter

Corholio wrote: »

Disappointed to lose him and it will be interesting to see what comes out about why he's ended up at Limerick. However, while he showed talent, he wasn't absolutely amazing either that some people seem to be making out, was just a lot of potential. I'm not sure if it's just to make it seem like a huge loss to City or what. I would bet a lot haven't seen him play much anyway, heck even a lot of City fans wouldn't have.

I know a player when I see one. With some bulking up he will be a stand out player in this league.

There was a reason there was a big surge in excitement whenever he came on as a sub.

Monumental **** up from the club.

The_Kew_Tour

Corholio wrote: »

Disappointed to lose him and it will be interesting to see what comes out about why he's ended up at Limerick. However, while he showed talent, he wasn't absolutely amazing either that some people seem to be making out, was just a lot of potential. I'm not sure if it's just to make it seem like a huge loss to City or what. I would bet a lot haven't seen him play much anyway, heck even a lot of City fans wouldn't have.

Only seen him in(full 90 min) the 2 big European games the u19s were in but 3-4 youngsters caught my eye more then him. In saying that still a loss to City as I think he has makings of fine player

dan1895

Stephen Elliott off to Drogheda which is strange as he couldn't really produce the goods at Shels.

PGE1970

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Only seen him in(full 90 min) the 2 big European games the u19s were in but 3-4 youngsters caught my eye more then him. In saying that still a loss to City as I think he has makings of fine player

And so we enter the fourth day of the Ogbene Thread (formerly known as LoI rumours, transfer gossip etc).

PGE1970

dan1895 wrote: »

Stephen Elliott off to Drogheda which is strange as he couldn't really produce the goods at Shels.

Drogheda also sign Thomas Byrne. Local lad from Brighton u-21s (who has nothing to do with either Ogbene, Cork or Limerick, I'm afraid).

gimmick

PGE1970 wrote: »

And so we enter the fourth day of the Ogbene Thread (formerly known as LoI rumours, transfer gossip etc).

Didn't realise there was a time limit on how long topics can be discussed. Its a big deal for both Limerick and CCFC.

Though I'm beginning to think that this guys ability has gone from potentially a good LOI player to probably world beater once he gets a few more games played

PGE1970

gimmick wrote: »

Didn't realise there was a time limit on how long topics can be discussed. Its a big deal for both Limerick and CCFC.

Though I'm beginning to think that this guys ability has gone from potentially a good LOI player to probably world beater once he gets a few more games played

I don't believe that there are limits.

But this thread has been utterly hijacked by a discussion on one player by supporters of two teams over a period of four days. At a quick glance, the LoI thread has had 95% of posts in the last few days dedicated to one player transfer.

Would any of those contributors so beguiled by the subject acknowledge that it might not resonate quite as much with the supporters of other clubs who enjoy this forum for league wide gossip etc?

The polite thing might be to start a separate thread where you can analyse this single subject to your heart's content?

howiya

Never mind a separate thread for Ogbene. When are we getting a 2017 thread?

JoeyJJ

Its good to see chat here, keep going.


Anyone hear anything about some James Connor dude for Sligo Rovers?

gimmick

PGE1970 wrote: »

I don't believe that there are limits.

But this thread has been utterly hijacked by a discussion on one player by supporters of two teams over a period of four days. At a quick glance, the LoI thread has had 95% of posts in the last few days dedicated to one player transfer.

Would any of those contributors so beguiled by the subject acknowledge that it might not resonate quite as much with the supporters of other clubs who enjoy this forum for league wide gossip etc?

The polite thing might be to start a separate thread where you can analyse this single subject to your heart's content?

Polite? Lol.

PGE1970

gimmick wrote: »

Polite? Lol.

Care to elaborate?

wadacrack

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

PGE1970 wrote: »

I don't believe that there are limits.

But this thread has been utterly hijacked by a discussion on one player by supporters of two teams over a period of four days. At a quick glance, the LoI thread has had 95% of posts in the last few days dedicated to one player transfer.

Would any of those contributors so beguiled by the subject acknowledge that it might not resonate quite as much with the supporters of other clubs who enjoy this forum for league wide gossip etc?

The polite thing might be to start a separate thread where you can analyse this single subject to your heart's content?

CHealy

PGE1970 wrote: »

And so we enter the fourth day of the Ogbene Thread (formerly known as LoI rumours, transfer gossip etc).

Didnt realise Cork City and Limerick were no longer in the LOI, or that Ogbene going from one to the other isnt transfer gossip. Get a grip.

Any Limerick fans know how long he signed for?