Holly Carpenter...whoever you are...

Andre 3000

5starpool wrote: »

I love the way that in this article she is obsessed with being healthy and sends photos of her meals to her personal trainer, but she says all this just above a photo of her having a cigarette.

We're all human FFS, even bodybuilders who're insanely health conscious have the occasional pig out.

Eugene Norman

Liamario wrote: »

Hold on now horse. Her age is irrelevant. This is meant to be a serious newspaper, or at least its misrepresenting itself as one.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that people care about what she's doing in her personal life. The article reads like musings of a child. It makes her look like a gob****e and it makes the paper look even worse.

24 year olds should be at maximum brain capacity in fact. 24 is post school, post university. There are 24 year old writers and proper journalists

Baron Kurtz

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'll say this much, Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly did well for himself.

Not bad alright, for a fella who honks his way through every song:)

padd b1975

padd b1975 wrote: »

The one where she's posing with a bottle of Jaegermeister?

Never mind....Found it!

Andre 3000

Eugene Norman wrote: »

24 year olds should be at maximum brain capacity in fact. 24 is post school, post university. There are 24 year old writers and proper journalists

Holly is a model. You cannot compare her to properly qualified journalists. Someone obviously reached out to her to write an article. It backfired completely but at least she gave it a go, it's not her profession. It'd be the equivalent of a teacher having to go into a 5 star restaurant and become head chef. They'd give it a go, but more than likely they'd produce sub standard food...likewise with Holly here.

suicide_circus

This is the level of content people should expect from the Indo. It's not this girls fault she can barely string a sentence together, she should never have been put in this position. Whatever editor let that piece go to print knew what the reaction would be. Cynical stuff from an absolute rag.

Baron Kurtz

smurgen wrote: »

She's retard but hot.therefore she's allllllriiight.

Hmm, considering the subject matter stones and glasshouses come to mind..

Eugene Norman

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Holly is a model. You cannot compare her to properly qualified journalists. Someone obviously reached out to her to write an article. It backfired completely but at least she gave it a go, it's not her profession. It'd be the equivalent of a teacher having to go into a 5 star restaurant and become head chef. They'd give it a go, but more than likely they'd produce sub standard food...likewise with Holly here.

I was responding to the "she's 24 what do you expect" post. Should she have a better sub editor, yes she should.

cerastes

DivingDuck wrote: »

I have no idea who this girl is, or her boyfriend, and I can't be bothered to even google because I have no interest in either of them. However, the level of vitriol aimed at her here and elsewhere for writing this article certainly does resemble jealousy. Why else would anyone get so worked up and make such cruel comments over something so trivial?

More importantly, why is everyone directing their criticism at the author of the article, a young woman with no editorial power and below-average writing skills, and not at those responsible for providing her with a platform-- those who by all rights should have both? The majority of twenty-something girls would jump at the chance to make a few bob and get their name and face in a national paper. This is not unusual, or harmful, and shouldn't make someone a target for such nastiness.

If anyone should be criticised for this, it should be whoever gave her the gig to begin with, and then published her article after they'd read it. Newspapers will publish anything they think will drive traffic. Do you think the person(s) who allowed this to be published didn't realise that it was bad? Or do you think they realised it was, and were prepared to throw this girl under the bus because they knew it would bring them attention and consequently ad revenue?

There are three groups who should be brought to task over this: the general public for having an interest in this crap, the people who read things like this to get annoyed about them, and the content publishers who are getting rich off the back of both. Aiming your ire at the single individual who happened to pen the piece is both cruel and missing the bigger picture.

There is a bit of harm in it though, promoting the idea that vacuousness and essentialy a self centered attitude is somehow acceptable and promoting that in a national newspaper,the editor should be slated too. I appreciate its numbers of sales to them,I'm sure there are more,but I pay next to no attention to any pop up ads in the sides of pages,and follow any up by searching content of ads elsewhere even less so.
Some people have been a bit crueler,some of it may be inaccurate or unjustified, I can't confirm if that's correct though as I haven't been at any openings where she's been present
(Public social sorts).

Hammer89 wrote: »

This girl is getting a bit of a raw deal here, whereas the editor, the person who made the decision to hire her and publish this, has emerged without so much as a mention.

I actually think she deserves a bit of credit because she has clearly overachieved here. And you know what? I suspect she'll be hired again, because page views translates to money in online media, and a lot of you will click to open her next piece just to see how stupid it is. Who's the stupid one though?

I never heard of her before, I'm replying as I don't like this kind of thing, I've opened some links,after this thread runs its course, as per usual I won't be opening any indo links or where I see her name now that I can see what she'll be promoting.

Azalea

I remember a friend who worked in publishing at the time said Wayne Rooney's wife's autobiography was like that - "When I was 17 I got a part-time job in Top Shop. I was thrilled because I love clothes" etc.

Still sold by the load though. A lot of people really love the inane so I guess when there's a market for it, someone will harness that...

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

This is the level of content people should expect from the Indo.

Generally, I don't think the indo`s content is at this level. I agree it is a rag, but it rarely plums these depths

Hammer89

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree. Critique the piece , not the author . What's happening now is that some posters have gone too far with the personal vitriol, which legitimises preachy posts like the one earlier ("who's really the stupid one?")

Preachy? Pull the other one. I know how this game works and just wanted to shed a little light on it considering there's been 10 pages of hateful comments toward the girl, who's done very little wrong as it happens.

Dtp1979

Andre 3000 wrote: »

We're all human FFS, even bodybuilders who're insanely health conscious have the occasional pig out.

Pigging out is one thing, that's with food. You're either a smoker or your not. She obviously is, so she shouldn't be bull****ting on about how healthy she is. The girl is a complete imbecile and gets through life on her looks and who she dates

The Backwards Man

Mundane, badly written yet generally inoffensive article gets way more attention in social media circles than it should. I don't think the Indo will be sacking her any time soon.

Barry Badrinath

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Holly is a model. You cannot compare her to properly qualified journalists. Someone obviously reached out to her to write an article. It backfired completely but at least she gave it a go, it's not her profession. It'd be the equivalent of a teacher having to go into a 5 star restaurant and become head chef. They'd give it a go, but more than likely they'd produce sub standard food...likewise with Holly here.

You don't need to be a qualified journalist to be able to write a summary of your evening.

It's like she was speaking into a dictaphone or submitting it over the telephone and someone at the other end was typing it out verbatim without tidying it up.

It just reads awful and discredits herself and the newspaper. Her age, profession and experience in this medium is irrelevent. She's an adult.

Communication in all forms is important, as a newspaper / online article is a type of communication, it should be a fluid and coherant piece and easily to comprehend.

This clearly is not.

Hammer89

Hammer89 wrote: »

Preachy? Pull the other one. I know how this game works and just wanted to shed a little light on it considering there's been 10 pages of hateful comments toward the girl.

Most people get the `game', you are not offering any revelatory insight. Even if a million 'stupid' people read her next article, it doesn't change the fact that this article was very poor.

And btw I agree that the hateful comments are unacceptable, but I would submit that most posters have criticised the article rather than the author.

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

...write an essay about your New Year's Eve...but in the style of a 7 year old...

http://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/holly-carpenter-celebrates-2016-with-boyfriend-danny-oreilly-at-coronas-nye-gig-34328771.html

Well done Holly. That was perfect.

That's unbelievable shite, even for that shower.

Andre 3000

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Pigging out is one thing, that's with food. You're either a smoker or your not. She obviously is, so she shouldn't be bull****ting on about how healthy she is. The girl is a complete imbecile and gets through life on her looks and who she dates

Not true. Some people only smoke occasionally. Yes, I know the whole term "social smoker" is treated like it is a racist remark around here but these people exist...they're very common. I myself would classify myself as one, and I am an extremely healthy person but I still have the occasional ciggy.

Your last comment is horrendous..."oh she's good looking anything she does doesn't count because she has an unfair advantage"....you use what you got in this life pal, some people use their brains to be successful, some use their looks. It's an equal playing ground. In fact, more luck to Holly if she causes you to react like this. It's hilarious.

Custardpi

Hammer89 wrote: »

Preachy? Pull the other one. I know how this game works and just wanted to shed a little light on it considering there's been 10 pages of hateful comments toward the girl, who's done very little wrong as it happens.

With a couple of exceptions there's been very little "hate" in these pages, just robust criticism, with a jocular edge to it. I know it's the fashion these days to label any sort of disagreement or criticism as "hate" or "harrassment" but in most cases it really isn't. So long as nobody is issuing threats of violence against the writer of an article commenting on its deficiencies is perfectly legitimate.

Nodin

Hammer89 wrote: »

This girl is getting a bit of a raw deal here, whereas the editor, the person who made the decision to hire her and publish this, has emerged without so much as a mention.

I actually think she deserves a bit of credit because she has clearly overachieved here. And you know what? I suspect she'll be hired again, because page views translates to money in online media, and a lot of you will click to open her next piece just to see how stupid it is. Who's the stupid one though?

How? Did she only break two crayons writing the article?

cerastes

Deleted User wrote: »

Generally, I don't think the indo`s content is at this level. I agree it is a rag, but it rarely plums these depths

I wouldn't mind getting my plums in there either, ding dong. Plum/plumb the depths,
I'll get my coat.

Dtp1979

You made a direct quote in which I didn't say one of those words.
Here's the facts,
She IS a smoker. Smoking is not healthy.
She DOES get through life on her looks and who she dates.
She IS an IDIOT

Eugene Norman

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Not true. Some people only smoke occasionally. Yes, I know the whole term "social smoker" is treated like it is a racist remark around here but these people exist...they're very common. I myself would classify myself as one, and I am an extremely healthy person but I still have the occasional ciggy.

Your last comment is horrendous..."oh she's good looking anything she does doesn't count because she has an unfair advantage"....you use what you got in this life pal, some people use their brains to be successful, some use their looks. It's an equal playing ground. In fact, more luck to Holly if she causes you to react like this. It's hilarious.

No it isn't. This is terry keanes granddaughter dating Mary Black's son.

Azalea

Custardpi wrote: »

With a couple of exceptions there's been very little "hate" in these pages, just robust criticism, with a jocular edge to it. I know it's the fashion these days to label any sort of disagreement or criticism as "hate" or "harrassment" but in most cases it really isn't. So long as nobody is issuing threats of violence against the writer of an article commenting on its deficiencies is perfectly legitimate.

Nah it's become a bit too personal imo.

I also don't see anything wrong with a person getting through life via their looks - there are lots of modelling jobs out there, someone's gotta do em!

No proof she's an imbecile either.

Hammer89

Deleted User wrote: »

Most people get the `game', you are not offering any revelatory insight. Even if a million 'stupid' people read her next article, it doesn't change the fact that this article was very poor.

And btw I agree that the hateful comments are unacceptable, but I would submit that most posters have criticised the article rather than the author.

I've been a freelance writer for several years so I would value my own opinion quite highly on this matter, in the same way I'd value a mechanic's opinion on a car higher than someone else's. That's all I'm saying.

Hammer89

Nodin wrote: »

How? Did she only break two crayons writing the article?

Because she got paid....

Nodin

Dtp1979 wrote: »

You made a direct quote in which I didn't say one of those words.
Here's the facts,
She IS a smoker. Smoking is not healthy.
She DOES get through life on her looks and who she dates.
She IS an IDIOT

Point one is irrelevant, point two may or may not be true, and point three wouldn't matter if a worse eejit hadn't let her "write an article" for indo, accurately described in the OP.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Je suis Mario wrote: »

I enjoyed how she said something was obvious that wasn't at all obvious.

Using "obviously" is incredibly obnoxious. If you need to point it out, then it's not obvious, is it? It's up there on the shít heap with "surely"...

"Today I went to the shop with my mommy, I bought 5 sweets. I like sweets. I also like puddles. When I grow up, I want to be a Ninja Turtle"

Absolute tripe of a newspaper. Why do these tosser make it into the news? Analytics... unfortunately this is what they have to go by. "We got 6 million clicks on the Holly article, they love her. Can we run an article on how she coped with the stress of ordering 3 dresses late and expecting them to arrive before new years eve?, they'll love that".

Icaras

Andre 3000 wrote: »

It'd be the equivalent of a teacher having to go into a 5 star restaurant and become head chef. They'd give it a go, but more than likely they'd produce sub standard food...likewise with Holly here.

But a teacher (or normal person) would know they were not capable of doing the job to a satisfactory standard like Holly should have, as a model she should know how important media on the internet is an how it will be over analysed and never go away.

Baron Kurtz

Hammer89 wrote: »

I've been a freelance writer for several years so I would value my own opinion quite highly on this matter, in the same way I'd value a mechanic's opinion on a car higher than someone else's. That's all I'm saying.

Boards doesn't count:pac:

Andre 3000

Icaras wrote: »

But a teacher (or normal person) would know they were not capable of doing the job to a satisfactory standard like Holly should have, as a model she should know how important media on the internet is an how it will be over analysed and never go away.

Who is to say she wasn't forced to write this article by her management company/superiors for publicity? Some models have to put up with a lot of bullsh*t...it's not all just smiles for the camera and push your t*ts out.

Azalea

Dtp1979 wrote: »

The girl is a complete imbecile and gets through life on her looks and who she dates

I usually dislike the "jealousy" cat-call that gets thrown out in relation to stuff like this, but the above anger does make it seem a likelihood imo.

Custardpi

Azalea wrote: »

Nah it's become a bit too personal imo.

I also don't see anything wrong with a person getting through life via their looks - there are lots of modelling jobs out there, someone's gotta do em!

The reason why she's being criticised (mostly in a light hearted manner) is because she's stepped out of her modelling career (nothing wrong with that agreed) into an attempt at journalism, which really doesn't suit her. People are just having fun with that. The day that say, Salman Rushdie takes a break from writing to engage in an underwear modelling campaign for Calvin Klein we can probably expect similar commentary on his efforts.

peckerhead

Deleted User wrote: »

Generally, I don't think the indo`s content is at this level. I agree it is a rag, but it rarely plums these depths

Do you write for them yourself, by any chance?

Azalea

Some of the critics of her writing aren't the most handy with a bit of scribing themselves btw.

Custardpi

Azalea wrote: »

Some of the critics of her writing aren't the most handy with a bit of scribing themselves btw.

Fair point. Boards.ie should probably reduce the rate those posters are paid for their content.

Dtp1979

Azalea wrote: »

I usually dislike the "jealousy" cat-call that gets thrown out in relation to stuff like this, but the above anger does make it seem a likelihood imo.

No anger at all. I'm just strongly stating facts.

Barry Badrinath

I found this on another site. Brilliant!

http://i.imgur.com/hHyImlt.jpg

Andre 3000

Dtp1979 wrote: »

No anger at all. I'm just strongly stating facts my opinion.

FYP

peckerhead

peckerhead wrote: »

Do you write for them yourself, by any chance?

Sorry, was a typo

Nodin

Peter Microscopic Ornament wrote: »

Using "obviously" is incredibly obnoxious. If you need to point it out, then it's not obvious, is it? It's up there on the shít heap with "surely"...

"Today I went to the shop with my mommy, I bought 5 sweets. I like sweets. I also like puddles. When I grow up, I want to be a Ninja Turtle"

Absolute tripe of a newspaper. Why do these tosser make it into the news? Analytics... unfortunately this is what they have to go by. "We got 6 million clicks on the Holly article, they love her. Can we run an article on how she coped with the stress of ordering 3 dresses late and expecting them to arrive before new years eve?, they'll love that".

'I bought dresses and went to a party and people like tapas and andrea is going out with bill but bill isn't into going out with her and prefers mona, but I was talking to mona and she said she said to him that .....'

The beating heart of 4th year Mount Anville, brought to you by the Sindo.....

hairyslug

Shocking piece but I know if I was offered money to write a mundane piece about my weekend I'd jump at it.

A lot of the blame should lie at an editor, but going by a lot of their online stuff, I wonder does any of it go anywhere near a spell checker or editor.

For those who know vastly more than me about these things, how much would you expect to get paid for writing 1 of these pieces.

Baron Kurtz

Hopefully the follow up won't be some compensatory piece, littered with malapropism and ill-placed ornate language. That's more Conor McGregor's style though!

cerastes

Eugene Norman wrote: »

No it isn't. This is terry keanes granddaughter dating Mary Black's son.

I know I said I'd get my coat, but are/aren't we living in the end times? Is anyone else thinking unholy union (of the offspring) and the anti Christ?

cerastes wrote: »

I wouldn't mind getting my plums in there either, ding dong. Plum/plumb the depths,
I'll get my coat.

peckerhead wrote: »

Do you write for them yourself, by any chance?

In their defence, aside from it making me laugh,even if it was puerile reasons of my own doing ( as have some other posts too).
I don't usually criticise spelling errors unless they are painful to read and not make the meaning understandable anyway, and I've been a "victim" of autocorrect, so I could see how plumb could become plum, but it made me smile/guffaw to myself plus it was understandable.

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, was a typo

Icaras

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Who is to say she wasn't forced to write this article by her management company/superiors for publicity? Some models have to put up with a lot of bullsh*t...it's not all just smiles for the camera and push your t*ts out.

I dont know much about the industry but my understanding is most models work on a contractual basis with either they or an agent working for them source the work - I am open to being corrected on this.
I have never heard of a model being forced to write articles before but again am open to correction.

At best this is a very naive mistake but with two very similar articles my opinion is she deserves critism, hopefully she takes it onboard and tries to improve.

Pac1Man

She's not 24. She's 24 and a half.

Dtp1979

Pac1Man wrote: »

She's not 24. She's 24 and a half.

But it's 2016 now, She probably thinks she's 25

the_syco

ziedth wrote: »

Also the line "My boyfriend Danny O’Reilly was obviously playing with The Coronas" literally made me cringe

I read that line that if it wasn't for Danny, no-one would care about her... :pac:

Galwayguy35

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently the jealousy is killing us, folks...

http://www.goss.ie/2016/01/actress-doireann-garrihy-defends-holly-carpenter-article-about-danny-oreilly-youre-all-jealous/56287/

Romeo and juliet of our times, that is a load of bollix in fairness.

Poor Uncle Tom

The verbal bile in this thread would eat through galvanising.