Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi *spoilers from Post 2857*

Drumpot

david75 wrote: »

Calling it now.

Sweeping brush kid is Reys little brother.

Flip on luke and Leia both being seperated but in this case both slaves and very powerful in the force.

I’m not sure that I want that but with JJ I wouldn’t be surprised. I thought the whole movie was debunking the linear Star Wars force mythology. The boy with the brush signified that anybody can have force sensitive and there is hope for a new resistance even after the rebel decimation. It also feels like this could be the new rebel army (minus the old guard). This movie has actually opened up the universe to so many alternative options that wouldn’t of been available had people gotten the Luke , baddies or story they expected.

You don’t need books or a teacher to learn the force. You learn your most valuable lessons in failure. Even a nobody can be a hero/Jedi. Everybody (Jedis and Sith) makes mistakes and can get hurt from over confidence. People/ Heroes can change. History can and will repeat itself (just look at human history and you get the very same stupid reasons for every human conflict).

Penn

murpho999 wrote: »

So things go wrong for them and that makes it irrelevant?

I agree it was not a great sub-plot and the casino scene didn't feel right at all but their encounter with the kids led to the final scene showing their impact on the kids and I think that is important.

It is kinda awful that they were told by Maz there was only one guy who she knew of who could help them, they find him, they're arrested before they can get to him, then just happen to meet another master codebreaker who could also help them.

I think the whole subplot would have been improved if Del Toro was the guy they were looking for to begin with. They could still have been arrested while looking for the guy, then reveal Del Toro's character has the rose brooch thing while he's escaping.

Drumpot

Penn wrote: »

It is kinda awful that they were told by Maz there was only one guy who she knew of who could help them, they find him, they're arrested before they can get to him, then just happen to meet another master codebreaker who could also help them.

I think the whole subplot would have been improved if Del Toro was the guy they were looking for to begin with. They could still have been arrested while looking for the guy, then reveal Del Toro's character has the rose brooch thing while he's escaping.

I still wanted Lando for pure fan service. I don’t care he is not a code breaker! Well let him be the guy in the jail that knows the code breaker! I f**king love Lando , he’s even better in the battlefront story mode. Love the crack he has with the weird alien with him!

I’m nearly 40 and think it’s a shame (for them not me, I enjoyed it with my kids!) people can’t just try and focus on the fun of the movies. I don’t mind people being disappointed or just not liking it, I just don’t think the reasons they Give are that important or that most could easily be explained away if you accepted that there is more then one way to interpret a story/scene/ character.

robinph

Penn wrote: »

...then reveal Del Toro's character has the rose brooch thing while he's escaping.

As soon as he appeared in the shadows I was expecting him to have a rose brooch. Maybe because it was too obvious they didn't do it though. Sure he could have even pulled it from his pocket at the end to short circuit the door rather than "borrowing" the thing off...Rose?!?!?!?

Penn

robinph wrote: »

As soon as he appeared in the shadows I was expecting him to have a rose brooch. Maybe because it was too obvious they didn't do it though. Sure he could have even pulled it from his pocket at the end to short circuit the door rather than "borrowing" the thing off...Rose?!?!?!?

I actually quite liked that he used Rose's medallion. It really helped Rose's character that she was willing to give it up, but also helped us trust Del Toro when he gave it back (before he ultimately betrayed them right after).

The whole rose brooch thing was just poorly done. Maz could have given them a name or something instead. Why bet everything on the guy wearing the brooch, and Finn/Rose noticing the brooch?

Saruhashi

Drumpot wrote: »

The boy with the brush signified that anybody can have force sensitive

I've seen this statement presented in a few different ways online in the past few days.

I don't get why it's seen as something new to be honest.

We saw hundreds, potentially thousands, of Jedi in the prequels. All kinds of different species were shown using the force.

It was never part of the story that only a Skywalker can use the force and the backgrounds of characters like Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine, Qui-Gon, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Mace Windu etc were never explained.

Where was it ever stated or shown in the movies that you needed to have some special lineage to be a force user?

Even Donnie Yen's character in Rogue One appears to be force sensitive and I think Jyn's mother and Jyn herself make references to the force?

david75

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m not sure that I want that but with JJ I wouldn’t be surprised. I thought the whole movie was debunking the linear Star Wars force mythology. The boy with the brush signified that anybody can have force sensitive and there is hope for a new resistance even after the rebel decimation. It also feels like this could be the new rebel army (minus the old guard). This movie has actually opened up the universe to so many alternative options that wouldn’t of been available had people gotten the Luke , baddies or story they expected.

You don’t need books or a teacher to learn the force. You learn your most valuable lessons in failure. Even a nobody can be a hero/Jedi. Everybody (Jedis and Sith) makes mistakes and can get hurt from over confidence. People/ Heroes can change. History can and will repeat itself (just look at human history and you get the very same stupid reasons for every human conflict).

I was kinda poking fun at JJ but made a balls of it.
That final scene is just symbolism and metaphor.
I do hope we see the kid again though.

david75

Saruhashi wrote: »

I've seen this statement presented in a few different ways online in the past few days.

I don't get why it's seen as something new to be honest.

We saw hundreds, potentially thousands, of Jedi in the prequels. All kinds of different species were shown using the force.

It was never part of the story that only a Skywalker can use the force and the backgrounds of characters like Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine, Qui-Gon, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Mace Windu etc were never explained.

Where was it ever stated or shown in the movies that you needed to have some special lineage to be a force user?

Even Donnie Yen's character in Rogue One appears to be force sensitive and I think Jyn's mother and Jyn herself make references to the force?

No everyone’s got the force to some degree. The Jedi only ever trained those kids that were really strong in the force.

Everyone uses the force every day. Lucas likened it to Bruce lee. We’re the same as Bruce lee but he has a special talent that he’s honed and trained and crafted to the point of being almost superhuman.

Whereas someone like han when he’s flying the falcon and being an amazing pilot is also using the force in his own small way. It’s flowing through him.

But he’s nit controlling it and havibg a dialogue with it like Jedi can.

That was Lucas’ explanation anyways. Works fine for me.



Life creates it. Makes it grow.

So presumably all life. Not just Jedi.

Goodshape

Penn wrote: »

The whole rose brooch thing was just poorly done. Maz could have given them a name or something instead.

That was the most ridicules thing. "You must go to some particular building on a particular planet and find a man... with a brooch! Only this one person in the entire galaxy can do what you need!"

Such a stupid setup and slow reveal, I was actually convinced it must be Lando, and already annoyed that they were draaagggging out the "reveal" by not just giving them a name and a phone number.

But, after all that, they didn't even get to the guy! Who wasn't Lando anyway. Just... some guy .

And then they just bump into some random crook who's good enough for the job. WHAT THE **** WERE THEY ON THAT PLANET FOR!!!

And how did they get there and back again so fast anyway. Distance seems to be a non-event in this film. I guess that was always an issue for Star Wars though.

Dreadful stuff.

endacl

Benicia del Toro = Lando Calrissian

david75

It’s worth posting

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Drumpot

Saruhashi wrote: »

I've seen this statement presented in a few different ways online in the past few days.

I don't get why it's seen as something new to be honest.

We saw hundreds, potentially thousands, of Jedi in the prequels. All kinds of different species were shown using the force.

It was never part of the story that only a Skywalker can use the force and the backgrounds of characters like Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine, Qui-Gon, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Mace Windu etc were never explained.

Where was it ever stated or shown in the movies that you needed to have some special lineage to be a force user?

Even Donnie Yen's character in Rogue One appears to be force sensitive and I think Jyn's mother and Jyn herself make references to the force?

Exactly; we dont know the back story of most force sensitive characters. Anakin and Luke are prob the only ones we have any idea about.

TLJ, through Rey and the kid at the end makes it clear that anybody can be force sensitive.

falinn merking

Drumpot wrote: »

Exactly; we dont know the back story of most force sensitive characters. Anakin and Luke are prob the only ones we have any idea about.

TLJ, through Rey and the kid at the end makes it clear that anybody can be force sensitive.

Why are we debating this?

A simple blood test would settle it and give us a Midichlorian count.:D:D:D

Tony EH

Goodshape wrote: »

And then they just bump into some random crook who's good enough for the job. WHAT THE **** WERE THEY ON THAT PLANET FOR!!!

Because there's nothing to do with these characters.

Rose is simply an Asian box tick.

And Finn should have died at the hands of Kylo at the end of TFA. His story was essentially done.

They, literally, have nowhere interesting to go.

Drumpot

Verpiss dich wrote: »

Why are we debating this?

A simple blood test would settle it and give us a Midichlorian count.:D:D:D

Goodshape

Tony EH wrote: »

Rose is simply an Asian box tick.

Asian box-tick and a neat little #NoHomo for the Finn and Poe storyline.

Hector Savage

david75

This was sent out to all cinemas about that shot with Holdo and Snokes ship.
What a moment though

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“Star Wars The Last Jedi contains a sequence at approximately 1:52:00 into the movie in which ALL SOUND STOPS FOR ABOUT 10 FULL SECONDS. Images continue to play onscreen but you will hear nothing. This is intentionally done by the director for a creative effect. Please take note that there is nothing wrong with your DCP or audio system. We wanted to make you aware of this. Thank you for your attention and have a great run on the movie.”
- IMAX

Slydice

1hr 45mins 27secs into Rogue One!

https://twitter.com/kyleauxren/status/942516563730722817


*remembers Rogue One* Too soon! Too soon!

A_Sober_Paddy

Slydice wrote: »

1hr 45mins 27secs into Rogue One!

https://twitter.com/kyleauxren/status/942516563730722817


*remembers Rogue One* Too soon! Too soon!

Yeah in archives off a building soon destroyed

Slydice

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Yeah in archives off a building soon destroyed

Yes it was!

It was the archives where they keep back-ups.. hence the backup plans of the death star!

It's cool how Rogue One showed us that they included the backups of another technology the empire had in development at the same time as the Death Star which wasn't yet fully operational had a backup there too.

I'm guessing they put priority into the Death Star.

falinn merking

Slydice wrote: »

Yes it was!

It was the archives where they keep back-ups.. hence the backup plans of the death star!

It's cool how Rogue One showed us that they included the backups of another technology the empire had in development at the same time as the Death Star which wasn't yet fully operational had a backup there too.

I'm guessing they put priority into the Death Star.

Not buying it unless they give me all the names of the people who worked on the project and what they usually had for breakfast.:D
Yes Rouge One really did pull the prequels original trilogy and the sequel movies together.

Slydice

Slydice

david75 wrote: »

ALL SOUND STOPS FOR ABOUT 10 FULL SECONDS. Images continue to play onscreen but you will hear nothing. This is intentionally done by the director for a creative effect

That really was a wallop of an effect. Like, they set the scene up and crashing of ships has been done in other films so I was kind of thinking I knew how it would go but like.. BANG, that was different. Really got me feeling more of an impact than I was expecting

pixelburp

Slydice wrote: »

That really was a wallop of an effect. Like, they set the scene up and crashing of ships has been done in other films so I was kind of thinking I knew how it would go but like.. BANG, that was different. Really got me feeling more of an impact than I was expecting

Don't want to overstate a passing effect, but I think that warp-ramming moment really highlighted Johnson''s superior eye over someone more workmanlike (but that's not meant as a slight) like Abrams. It was a beautifully composed scene of sudden destruction, using the visual and sudden absence of audio to creative effect. I genuinely gasped.

Optimus Prime

It’s a great scene , but I think he borrowed it from attack of the clones when Jango sets of the mines trying to kill obi wan. Yeh it’s not the same visually but the lack of sound gimmick was done here when the mines explodes , though only for a second during the initial explosions.

johnny_ultimate

It's not an isolated moment either: feels like the culmination of a stylistic trick employed throughout the film up to that point. At several key moments sound is dipped or manipulated to emphasise the impact: I'd need to see it again to pick them out properly, but off the top of my head the opening bombing run, Luke destroying the hut and the start of the throne room lightsaber duel (unless I'm messing up my in film timeline there :pac:) all are presented as aurally and visually emphasised climaxes before the biggest one pushes the flourish further again.

Osmosis Jones

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It's not an isolated moment either: feels like the culmination of a stylistic trick employed throughout the film up to that point. At several key moments sound is dipped or manipulated to emphasise the impact: I'd need to see it again to pick them out properly, but off the top of my head the opening bombing run, Luke destroying the hut and the start of the throne room lightsaber duel (unless I'm messing up my in film timeline there :pac:) all are presented as aurally and visually emphasised climaxes before the biggest one pushes the flourish further again.

Sound also completely cuts whenever the "Skype calls" between Rey and Ben happen

expectationlost

why was kylo ren so troubled was it just because his parents sent im away to train to be a jedi?

if he hadn't been sent away would he have been ok or would he have had trouble dealing with the strong force inside him?

which might be soved by (sending him away to get ) training?

vicious circle.

if the galaxy needs balance but nature keeps churning out force filled good guys which begets bad guys and vice versa how do you ever avoid huge division in the galaxy?

will the third film answer that?

Gbear

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It's not an isolated moment either: feels like the culmination of a stylistic trick employed throughout the film up to that point. At several key moments sound is dipped or manipulated to emphasise the impact: I'd need to see it again to pick them out properly, but off the top of my head the opening bombing run, Luke destroying the hut and the start of the throne room lightsaber duel (unless I'm messing up my in film timeline there :pac:) all are presented as aurally and visually emphasised climaxes before the biggest one pushes the flourish further again.

I think there was another one to emphasise the size of the Dreadnought as well.

It's hyperspace sonic boom thing was preceded by an extra little bit of silence I think, heightening the tension.

I had enough time to hear myself thinking "OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY!" and then it walloped into screen.

I think these sorts of superweapons are ones I can get more behind.

They're not ludicrous but carry a serious threat and you hang a scene off them but aren't stuck with them as the main obstacle for the whole film.