Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi *spoilers from Post 2857*

turbbo

nix wrote: »

They don't, at least not to the point where it would be much, plus i think were passed the point of boycotting the movie

We love the universe, majority of people here will continue to go see star wars movies, would take a long line of stinkers for people to give up watching them

yup the prequels were total skuther and people went in their droves

SteM

nix wrote: »

They don't, at least not to the point where it would be much, plus i think were passed the point of boycotting the movie

We love the universe, majority of people here will continue to go see star wars movies, would take a long line of stinkers for people to give up watching them

Who said they shouldn't go to see star wars movies? They should not go to repeat viewings if they don't like a movie though, it's obvious to me. Why waste the time and money?

shamrock55

Well I seen it with friends the first time but promised the kids I'd bring them so that's why I unfortunately had to see it a second time,there won't be a third though on any format

nix

SteM wrote: »

Who said they shouldn't go to see star wars movies? They should not go to repeat viewings if they don't like a movie though, it's obvious to me. Why waste the time and money?

Well im going again as ill be going in with fresh viewing off all prior movies to date, and Sad professor painted a pretty picture and its free for me.. Plus all my friends are familied up and i live in dunshaughlin now so ive nothing else better to do :P

Wibbs

SteM wrote: »

Why do people that hate it keep gong back to see it!? Disney won't care about rotten tomatoes or imdb scores. They'll care about the box office, if this movie continues to do well you'll get more like it in the future. If you don't like it, don't go back and they might give you something closer to what you want in the future.

I would reckon S that because Star Wars is basically and truly a modern mythos(even an origin tale for many) across a few cultures and ages, so people are going in with that expectation and if not felt first time around might be near desperate to feel that on a second watch. Imagine growing up in England in the 14th century and being steeped in the Arthurian or Beowolf mythos and finding out there's a "sequel". You'd be so wound up for such a story, you'd wait with bated breath for the troubadour to show up to impart it. Even if he sang an internally disappointing song, even if it poo'd over your image of that story, you'd likely still want to believe in it, to need, hope it would work out.

Sand wrote: »

I'm taking it from the reviews and comments that this film is not worth paying to go see? I didn't particularly enjoy TFA (Rogue One was okay). After seeing TFA I joked that MaRey Sue was going to take Luke on as her apprentice, and apparently that is what occurs, plus other assorted eye-gouging plot points. If that is the case, I'll just wait till it appears on Netflix or somesuch.

I'd give it a watch S. It moves quickly enough save for a diversion into a daft casino scene. Though I'll near guarantee you'll be left feeling a little WTF. And knowing your good self, will be able to tease out and articulate the WTF for all to consider.

Hyzepher wrote: »

Rey has shown that she understands the need to understand the dark side as well as the light side.

Less than a week after she found out the force was a real thing. Understand my arse. More Disney Princess crapola(which as I said is fine if that's what they're going for. And well. Frozen is Disney Princesse too but much better written and way properly darker under the glamour, like all good fairy tales). And we saw that writ large in the Farce Awakens. Never mind her being awesome in everything she tries, every single character took to her on the spot. Consider this: after Han Solo is murdered and the gang return to the rebel base, Leia ignores Chewie, her husband's best friend for over fifty years and hugs Rey, a woman she met 24 hours previously.

Andrew Beef

Leia and Rey, the only two Force sensitive individuals present...why would they hug?

Arne_Saknussem

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Leia and Rey, the only two Force sensitive individuals present...why would they hug?

If Darth Maul was there would she have hugged him??

Shakey_jake

Can i just say i loved this movie

You can throw all the political mumbo jumbo, the statistics for various website, the stupid arguments about bombs and gravity, feminist agendas, animal cruelty and tone and pacing in to a dustbin!

This movie in many ways reminded me of a lot of movies growing up in the 80's and 90's and could be considered nearly a tribute it many ways

Man that shooting star at the end! For a while i was a kid again and it felt awesome!

Liam O

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I didn't find it funny at all - that moment for me is like the poe/hux conversation at the beginning, the rey "put some clothes on" line to kylo....

Not funny at all, upset the entire tone of the film and completely misjudged IMO.

I think in years to come this film is going to be viewed very poorly - it just doesn't work on any level whatsoever.

The "put some clothes on" line was to establish that she could see him whereas he couldn't see her. Like most criticisms of this film there are reasonable explanations for it.

Not to say there aren't flaws that I left the cinema holding reservations about but the more I thought about it the more everything started to make sense. I could therefore get over some of my initial problems and avoid some of the silly hyperbolic nitpicking that has gone on with a bit more rational thought.

Will be going again to fully vindicate some of these thoughts as I'm not sure if I can fully justify the casino sidebar and the Leia floating through space but I can accept that small moments like that will not spoil my enjoyment of the film overall.

uncleoswald

Liam O wrote: »

The "put some clothes on" line was to establish that she could see him whereas he couldn't see her. Like most criticisms of this film there are reasonable explanations for it.

But that wasn't the only way to get the fact that she could see him across. Explaining a bad joke doesn't make it funny.

Falthyron

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/that-big-last-jedi-reveal-about-rey-isnt-solved-after-all_us_5a39a21ee4b025f99e130e7f

Further evidence that the new trilogy doesn't have a coherent and overarching storyline to make it feel complete. Much like Rian, JJ will now have a number of questions available to him to answer, from which, he can pick and choose to address. Ugh.

Wibbs

Liam O wrote: »

The "put some clothes on" line was to establish that she could see him whereas he couldn't see her. Like most criticisms of this film there are reasonable explanations for it.

That bit didn't make me think WTF at all TBH. And on that one I'd say nitpicking alright. For me it was the large plot holes, daft plot lines and tone all over the place that left me thinking WTF. The slow car chase through space for half the flic for one. The casino sidebar for another.

The Nal

Wibbs wrote: »

The slow car chase through space for half the flic for one.

irishman86

SteM wrote: »

Who said they shouldn't go to see star wars movies? They should not go to repeat viewings if they don't like a movie though, it's obvious to me. Why waste the time and money?

Re watching movies in the cinema is just stupid in the first place regardless of what movie it is
I can only understand it if you are asked to go with someone and its clear its to watch that movie

Harry Palmr

Jumanji toppled TLJ on New years Day in America. Tis a flop :pac:

david75

Disney made over $11 billion at the box office this year. I don’t think they’re too worried about anything.

pixelburp

Have Disney ever released figures for their merchandising? Like, do we know how much money all the Force Awakens / Last Jedi & general merchandise makes around the time of the cinema releases? I vaguely, vaguely recall that rumour was the prequels couldn't shift a lot of the associated merch - but I'm guessing it's a different ball-game now, with a better suite of movies, and plastic nostalgic tat being in fashion again.

Arne_Saknussem

pixelburp wrote: »

Have Disney ever released figures for their merchandising? Like, do we know how much money all the Force Awakens / Last Jedi & general merchandise makes around the time of the cinema releases? I vaguely, vaguely recall that rumour was the prequels couldn't shift a lot of the associated merch - but I'm guessing it's a different ball-game now, with a better suite of movies, and plastic nostalgic tat being in fashion again.

Hard to say for sure, i have seen videos on Youtube claiming that the OT stuff is still by far the biggest sellers & that the new range is still sitting in stores by comparison but it all seemed very anecdotal.

pixelburp

I mean I'm sure it's all there in the various Financial Reports & whatnot from their AGMs, but I'd be curious to know just how valuable in terms of raw sales Star Wars - and the movies specifically - have been to Disney and if any publications have crunched the numbers.

It's easy to figure how the OT stuff would be a bigger seller all the same: there's a much larger pop-culture imprint to begin with, alongside a clutch of demographics more inclined & able to buy the merch; on the flip-side I'd presume the newer characters sell better with younger folk, children specifically.

conorhal

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Hard to say for sure, i have seen videos on Youtube claiming that the OT stuff is still by far the biggest sellers & that the new range is still sitting in stores by comparison but it all seemed very anecdotal.

Disney it appears are minting it from licencing, but the toy manufacturers and retailers however aren't too happy.
Many licensees seem to have over paid for licencing and the projected sales never met targets. The boyancy of the 2015 market doesn't seem to have been maintained.
There are reports of a LOT of merch sitting on the shelves (and in the discount bins where you never saw Starwars product before).
Part of this is down to competition, Starwars is hardly the only merchandising game in town these days, but there was also an excess of licences for stuff that didn't sell. Lego appears to have done well but the action figures and other merch haven't moved as anticipated. There have alos been complaints about the quality and collectors are not buying the premium merch either.
There seems to be a serious 'brand decline' experienced by retailers regards the Starwars universe, but I'm not sure what that says about the Starwars brand as a whole, though apathy towards the toy lines could be a canary in the coal mines that Disney's approach isn't winning hearts and minds so much as pumping out product.

bennyl10

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Jumanji toppled TLJ on New years Day in America. Tis a flop :pac:

Tis far from a flop, it's been out 3 weeks?
It's beaten rogue one, and had topped 1Billon WW..
Barely lost to Jumanji, Sonys big family movie, after 3 weeks?

Oh that's the end of That then..

Jesus wept.

Tony EH

Sand wrote: »

I'm taking it from the reviews and comments that this film is not worth paying to go see? I didn't particularly enjoy TFA (Rogue One was okay). After seeing TFA I joked that MaRey Sue was going to take Luke on as her apprentice, and apparently that is what occurs, plus other assorted eye-gouging plot points. If that is the case, I'll just wait till it appears on Netflix or somesuch.

If you didn't enjoy TFA, then I'd say keep your money and stream it in a month.

Tony EH

SteM wrote: »

Why do people that hate it keep gong back to see it!? Disney won't care about rotten tomatoes or imdb scores. They'll care about the box office, if this movie continues to do well you'll get more like it in the future. If you don't like it, don't go back and they might give you something closer to what you want in the future.

It's a strange old affair isn't it?

Although, it has to be said, the vast majority of ticket sales are to one time viewers. The repeaters are few and far between in the grand scheme of things.

It's still gas though.

I knew a guy who hated 'The Force Awakens', but saw it three times in the cinema. That's about 30 quid pissed away on a film he didn't bloody like?

Makes no sense to me at all.

Tony EH

conorhal wrote: »

Disney it appears are minting it from licencing, but the toy manufacturers and retailers however aren't too happy.
Many licensees seem to have over paid for licencing and the projected sales never met targets. The boyancy of the 2015 market doesn't seem to have been maintained.
There are reports of a LOT of merch sitting on the shelves (and in the discount bins where you never saw Starwars product before).
Part of this is down to competition, Starwars is hardly the only merchandising game in town these days, but there was also an excess of licences for stuff that didn't sell. Lego appears to have done well but the action figures and other merch haven't moved as anticipated. There have alos been complaints about the quality and collectors are not buying the premium merch either.
There seems to be a serious 'brand decline' experienced by retailers regards the Starwars universe, but I'm not sure what that says about the Starwars brand as a whole, though apathy towards the toy lines could be a canary in the coal mines that Disney's approach isn't winning hearts and minds so much as pumping out product.

There's a little more to it than that.

The likes of Hasbro have been trying to change their focus with their Star Wars toys. They're getting rid of the smaller scales and trying to invigorate a market for 6 inch figures. This has pissed off a lot of collectors who have been collecting 3 3/4 inch figures since 1977. The Hasbro desire to get into the 6 inch market largely relies on the fact that that's where the toy/collector market is at present, with the likes of Marvel figures doing great business. Plus Hasbro have put out nearly every single person that ever appeared in a Star Wars film on 3 3/4 inch. So, they feel that that market is very limited. Are collectors going to pay for yet another plastic Han Solo? Some well, yes. A lot won't though. So, the idea was "they'll pay for a 6 inch plastic Han Solo, cos that's not happened before."

Unfortunately, they've underestimated their audience and overestimated their product. However, that being said, the Black Series has been a relative winner for Hasbro, just not in the way that they'd espect. Plus some of their marketing decisions have been odd, to say the least. The produce millions of figures of Rey, Poe and Finn which sat on shelves for years. There are still tons of them on shelves. But, they produce a relatively limited amount of Boba Fett or R2D2? Which, to my mind, are going to be whoppers for sales and in fact were. It's a no brainer to me.

So, a lot of the unhappiness from toy manufacturers and retailers comes from the manufacturers making some really odd decisions about their product and not from the actual IP itself.

Now, bear in mind, I'm no expert in this area and this knowledge comes from reading elsewhere online. So, with that caveat...

Tony EH

Any talk of flop about a film that's made a billion is silly.

'The Swarm' was a flop. 'The Last Jedi' is not.

Moist Bread

He may have been joking about it been a flop guys!

He use the



To convey this

Harry Palmr

I tend to think and the reaction proves it that Star Wars fans are not to nuanced in life or the internet.

Tony EH

Moist Bread wrote: »

He may have been joking about it been a flop guys!

He use the



To convey this

Yeh, we know. But the F word has been doing the rounds in internet land.

Arne_Saknussem

Tony EH wrote: »

There's a little more to it than that.

The likes of Hasbro have been trying to change their focus with their Star Wars toys. They're getting rid of the smaller scales and trying to invigorate a market for 6 inch figures. This has pissed off a lot of collectors who have been collecting 3 3/4 inch figures since 1977. The Hasbro desire to get into the 6 inch market largely relies on the fact that that's where the toy/collector market is at present, with the likes of Marvel figures doing great business. Plus Hasbro have put out nearly every single person that ever appeared in a Star Wars film on 3 3/4 inch. So, they feel that that market is very limited. Are collectors going to pay for yet another plastic Han Solo? Some well, yes. A lot won't though. So, the idea was "they'll pay for a 6 inch plastic Han Solo, cos that's not happened before."

Unfortunately, they've underestimated their audience and overestimated their product. However, that being said, the Black Series has been a relative winner for Hasbro, just not in the way that they'd espect. Plus some of their marketing decisions have been odd, to say the least. The produce millions of figures of Rey, Poe and Finn which sat on shelves for years. There are still tons of them on shelves. But, they produce a relatively limited amount of Boba Fett or R2D2? Which, to my mind, are going to be whoppers for sales and in fact were. It's a no brainer to me.

So, a lot of the unhappiness from toy manufacturers and retailers comes from the manufacturers making some really odd decisions about their product and not from the actual IP itself.

Now, bear in mind, I'm no expert in this area and this knowledge comes from reading elsewhere online. So, with that caveat...

You could say they Last Jedi-ed that whole situation.

deise08

Hey guys... I know I'm a little late to the party, and it's all after being mostly discussed..

Thought there were a load of 'cheap laughs ' which were totally unnecessary..

I know I'm going to be slated for this..but there was a noticeable rise in the amount of female characters!

At first I was thinking it was to reflect the sign of the times.
Then, however, I thought.... The rebellion has has taken a lot of lives... Mostly the men would have been the first to answer the call to arms. (just like with the world wars) and now what's left of the rebels is a high female ??
Or am I giving them too much credit for maybe thinking this 😄😄😄
Loving kylo though.. Still can't take to Rey.