Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi *spoilers from Post 2857*

Goodshape

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Yeah, I still salivate over a whiny brat and midichlorians and the taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems...rivetting stuff.

#MakeStarWarsGreatAgain

Bring back the ewoks the gungans the trade war purple lightsabers pod racing woohoo! young Ani midichlorians death-sticks younglings NNNNNNoooooooo... ah, whatever.

J Mysterio

Goodshape wrote: »

Could never understand the love for Joss Whedon. I feel like his popularity coincided with the commercialisation of "geek culture". It's manufactured, ready-made and shrink-wrapped, "cult status", TV fluff.

Buffy, Angel, and Firefly were not very good.

Buffy was awesome back in the day.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Goodshape wrote: »

#MakeStarWarsGreatAgain

Bring back the ewoks the gungans the trade war purple lightsabers pod racing woohoo! young Ani midichlorians death-sticks younglings NNNNNNoooooooo... ah, whatever.

Are you trying to compare the original trilogy with the prequels??

Goodshape

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Are you trying to compare the original trilogy with the prequels??

I'm suggesting, slightly tongue-in-cheek, that Star Wars hasn't been "Great" in almost 40 years.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Goodshape wrote: »

I'm suggesting, slightly tongue-in-cheek, that Star Wars hasn't been "Great" in almost 40 years.

Ah!

Agreed.

Sal Butamol

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Yeah, I still salivate over a whiny brat and midichlorians and the taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems...rivetting stuff.

The prequels were an abomination. The new trilogy is even worse, in a different way.

Tony EH

nix wrote: »

lol, wtf you guys waffling about..

He's done 4 movies, 3 of them are fantastic and the other isnt even that bad

He would have done a far better job than Rian in terms of getting the feel of star wars right and hitting the comedy on the head. He would have also, y'know, developed the characters instead of turning the majority of them into slapstick side shows :rolleyes:

Can't stand the kunt. Same shite all the time. Smartarse dialogue, stupid wink-at-the-audience characters and far too "meta" for my liking.

Out of everything he's done, I'd say the only thing that connected with me was 'Firelfy', which was a genuinely good show.

Other than that, nope.

He would have been terrible for Star Wars (and that's not saying Johnson was any better).

DrWu

What a fking mess. A trilogy with no main protagonist... It's supposed to be Rey but then we're constantly told the movies are all about the Skywalker family. So the main character must be Ben....but he is the antagonist (especially since he killed the only other contender for that part).

Solo died like a shmuck, Luke died like a shmuck. It's so sad and so fking avoidable... if someone had just had enough foresight (or plain common sense) to sit down and chart the course of a new trilogy over three films. THEN call in the directors (or use the same one) to bring it all to life.

If you put yourself in the room with KK and the other idiots when they were (supposedly) brainstorming this thing the first element you would look for is a strong main character. Then you build the other characters around that character (Joseph Campbell has a whole chapter devoted to this and it's beautiful). Re the bad guys, well we already got a trilogy with fully established bad guys (the Empire and rebels) and it was pretty much the same in the PT with the Jedi and Sith. It would have been interesting to see the First Order and Resistance emerging after ROTJ and racing for dominance, cobbling fleets together, looking for allies at any cost etc. It's not brain surgery. I can only conclude that they spent those meetings talking about money and profit margins and what to put in the movie so that everyone would be happy enough to blow their dosh on it in the cinema. Box, tick, box, tick. Depressing. Rant over.

TerrorFirmer

DrWu wrote: »

if someone had just had enough foresight (or plain common sense) to sit down and chart the course of a new trilogy over three films. THEN call in the directors (or use the same one) to bring it all to life.

This is by far the biggest, glaring problem with the trilogy so far. No overall vision in place or bare framework established. While I'm not a big JJ fan at all, I'm glad he's back to wrap it up, would not have confidence in a final installment by Johnson and at least JJ can wrap up his own threads or bring the film around to his own original ideas which seem to have been a hell of a lot better than what Johnson put out.

Sal Butamol

Kathleen Kennedy should be fired. She owns this mess.

Wedwood

9 months on, people still going on and on about it. Ok, you didn't like the movie, get over yourself and move on.

People spent two years complaining TFA too like the originals. Now another 1.5 years beckons of the other 'fans' moaning TLJ nothing like the originals. If Abrams tries to appease both groups by going middle of the road, he'll no doubt alienate everybody.

The internet has turned Star Wars fans into a giant hoard of locusts who swarm from movie to movie, take them apart until there's nothing left and move on to ruin the next one.

Seriously, people shouldn't get that upset for so long over a movie they don't like.

Sal Butamol

Wedwood wrote: »

9 months on, people still going on and on about it. Ok, you didn't like the movie, get over yourself and move on.

People spent two years complaining TFA too like the originals. Now another 1.5 years beckons of the other 'fans' moaning TLJ nothing like the originals. If Abrams tries to appease both groups by going middle of the road, he'll no doubt alienate everybody.

The internet has turned Star Wars fans into a giant hoard of locusts who swarm from movie to movie, take them apart until there's nothing left and move on to ruin the next one.

Seriously, people shouldn't get that upset for so long over a movie they don't like.

Wrong

Here we go

Sal Butamol wrote: »

The prequels were an abomination. The new trilogy is even worse, in a different way.

Ya but the prequels where trapped into fitting into the original anikin had to turn the empire had to rise the council and republic had to fall I think these predetermined outcomes affected the ability to make them as good as they could be and they had more bright spots maul, Ewans obi, light saber fights, qui gon, jango

El Duda

Qui Gon was a bright spot?! He literally didn't have a character.

Sal Butamol

Here we go wrote: »

Ya but the prequels where trapped into fitting into the original anikin had to turn the empire had to rise the council and republic had to fall I think these predetermined outcomes affected the ability to make them as good as they could be and they had more bright spots maul, Ewans obi, light saber fights, qui gon, jango

Predetermined outcomes had nothing to do with the problems with the prequels.

Jar Jar Bink's is but one example of that

DrWu

The Prequels were bad movies in almost every conceivable way. The sequels aren't bad movies individually. We make not like them but that doesn't mean they are badly made. TFA and TLJ have coherent storylines that follow "the hero's journey" pretty faithfully (with a modern twist or two). The problem is there is no arc to the trilogy and no passion in the writing. Pity. If they had taken more time after buying out Lucasfilm to think about what they were doing this could all have been avoided.

Btw, I watched TLJ again last night on Sky and I cant believe I missed the Disney fairydust jingle while the kid was watching the spaceship/shooting star, whatever the f**k it was. Ugh.

pixelburp

The prequels had no characters, that was part of the problem, one of many. Qui Gon wasn't a character, he had no depth or personality beyond "stoic Jedi". And when Lucas tried to address this with Attack of the Clones, he inserted inept dialogue between Anakin and ObiWan along the lines of "hey remember that time..." literally breaking the rule of "show, don't tell".

Say what you will about the new films but I can easily summarise the main cast and their respective catalysts; eg, Rey being a scrappy orphan who longs for family, or meaning to her life. Rylo actively rejecting the light, over compensating to supress his own lineage. Etc.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Wedwood wrote: »

9 months on, people still going on and on about it. Ok, you didn't like the movie, get over yourself and move on.

People spent two years complaining TFA too like the originals. Now another 1.5 years beckons of the other 'fans' moaning TLJ nothing like the originals. If Abrams tries to appease both groups by going middle of the road, he'll no doubt alienate everybody.

The internet has turned Star Wars fans into a giant hoard of locusts who swarm from movie to movie, take them apart until there's nothing left and move on to ruin the next one.

Seriously, people shouldn't get that upset for so long over a movie they don't like.

Who’s upset?

SnakePlissken

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Wedwood wrote: »

9 months on, people still going on and on about it. Ok, you didn't like the movie, get over yourself and move on.

People spent two years complaining TFA too like the originals. Now another 1.5 years beckons of the other 'fans' moaning TLJ nothing like the originals. If Abrams tries to appease both groups by going middle of the road, he'll no doubt alienate everybody.

The internet has turned Star Wars fans into a giant hoard of locusts who swarm from movie to movie, take them apart until there's nothing left and move on to ruin the next one.

Seriously, people shouldn't get that upset for so long over a movie they don't like.

Who’s upset?

Have you been away from the internet the past 9 months?

Roar

Red Letter Media have posted their Mr Plinkett review of the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83D18xL7VE

Looking forward to watching this with a few beers this evening.

I've lost interest in those red letter media review. I wonder do those lads enjoy anything.

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

I've lost interest in those red letter media review. I wonder do those lads enjoy anything.

If you watch their Half in the Bag series, Re:View or Best of the Worst, you'll see they enjoy a lot of films; they're actually quite passionate and enthusiastic about movies, they've unfairly got a reputation for being spiteful, and that's mostly down to the "Mr Plinkett" series IMO (IIRC, Mike Stoklasa, the voice of Plinkett is more a Star Trek fanboy and the series started out as a retrospective on those films). If anything, they give off a sense of being just a little jaded by how same-same blockbusters have become, and I can relate to that.

Giruilla

Roar wrote: »

Red Letter Media have posted their Mr Plinkett review of the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83D18xL7VE

Looking forward to watching this with a few beers this evening.

Wow that did not disappoint. Put into words why so much of the film felt jarring that I couldn't describe myself.
Highlights:
-The contrast was Picard consulting his crew was hilarious.
-The comparison of Rey "I liiike this" (worst line in film) vs Luke under Cloud City and Last Jedi final scene vs Return of Jedi final scene (being nonsensically reminiscent), was sublime.
- Comparison of story development to a farce (national lampoons)... characters making mistakes, rather than confronting obstacles in story progression, very interesting. Really hit the nail on the head. It's a by product of Rian Johnson making every story element to subvert expectations. You end up with an illogical story.
Lowlights:
- They fail to sum up how unbearably boring the entire film is.

Like with original TPM review.. I LOVE how they don't talk about the headline aspects of what people said was bad. ie, in TPM review they don't mention Jar Jar once, in TLJ review, they barely mention the shoehorned gender aspect/lukes character/canto bight (i could go..). It's all about structure, logic, screenplay.. why the film was jarring to your brain in hard to say way.

nix

Giruilla wrote: »

Wow that did not disappoint. Put into words why so much of the film felt jarring that I couldn't describe myself.
Highlights:
-The contrast was Picard consulting his crew was hilarious.
-The comparison of Rey "I liiike this" (worst line in film) vs Luke under Cloud City and Last Jedi final scene vs Return of Jedi final scene (being nonsensically reminiscent), was sublime.
- Comparison of story development to a farce (national lampoons)... characters making mistakes, rather than confronting obstacles in story progression, very interesting. Really hit the nail on the head. It's a by product of Rian Johnson making every story element to subvert expectations. You end up with an illogical story.
Lowlights:
- They fail to sum up how unbearably boring the entire film is.

Like with original TPM review.. I LOVE how they don't talk about the headline aspects of what people said was bad. ie, in TPM review they don't mention Jar Jar once, in TLJ review, they barely mention the shoehorned gender aspect/lukes character/canto bight (i could go..). It's all about structure, logic, screenplay.. why the film was jarring to your brain in hard to say way.

Yeah its actually a great watch, that cut of Poe saying "So we blow that one up" over and over had my stomach in knots

J Mysterio

Pretty entertaining, the editing is good. I did find it difficult to overcome the commentary though, it was like being told a story by Buffalo Bill of the Silence of the Lambs fame.

Disposable1

Roar wrote: »

Red Letter Media have posted their Mr Plinkett review of the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83D18xL7VE

Looking forward to watching this with a few beers this evening.

This was great, thanks for the heads up. What @Giruilla said above puts in to words what I think far better than I could say it myself.

Wedwood

Says he liked and disliked the movie - 90% disliked.

Had convinced myself the movie wasn't that bad, that video ended that illusion.

nix

Those scenes that were cut from the movie were soooo bad, that guy with the hillbilly accent spanking his ass. How did that even make it passed imagination? Nevermind to script/storyboard/camera

J Mysterio

I just can't get past the name. Rian Johnson.
I thought it was 'ree-an' for the longest time.
As if it was an actual name, if a bit obscure.
But no, his name is Ryan, just spellt stupid.

Relikk

nix wrote: »

Those scenes that were cut from the movie were soooo bad, that guy with the hillbilly accent spanking his ass.

It's also a bit disappointing because that's Tom Hardy. It's a really awful scene by writing standards, anyway. Further showing-up the cringey, juvenile humour that runs through the script.