Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi *spoilers from Post 2857*

Victor

5/5

The chicken may have been a bit chewy.

And Porgs can fly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bumx4AerJUQ (there is a punchline)

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Two word review because I'm tired.

Long, shíte.

I'll elaborate a small bit before bed.

Big Star Wars fan. TFA was brilliant, liked Rogue One even more, this was a

massive let down. Simplest Star Wars plot ever took FOREVER to happen.

Stupid gags, really stupid. Luke throwing away the light sabre just outright annoyed me. Most of the creatures just reminded me of the dreaded prequel characters, as did the whole casino place, just reminded me of something from The Phantom Menace.

But Jesus the gags annoyed me more than anything else.

It's got plenty of good though too, kylo, Rey and Luke absolutely fantastic acting. Definitely my favourite mark hamill performance.

A couple of times the cgi was outright poor too, a few of the space scenes looked terrible but the worst offender was snoke, grand when he's sitting there but when he walked it was like cgi from a video game from 15 years ago.

But did I mention the gags?

Oh and it's been a LOONG time since I saw a movie where EVERY.SINGLE.THING that's happening on screen must be explained by someone. Jesus Christ its so so bad. We don't need EVERYTHING explained. Jeeeeeeeesus.

Ugh. Disappointing.

B.A._Baracus

Think it's time for me to bow out of this thread.
Someone is bound to post something without using spoiler tags.

A_Sober_Paddy

Just home really enjoyed it, some parts not 100% on but it's put together very well. The music as always spot on, the action, the story and lots of goosebumps. Can't wait to see it again Friday ðŸ‘

homerun_homer

Initial reaction.... I didn’t love it:eek::(

What bugged me, too much to explain but bullet points for now.

The hammy acting by Billie Lord at the start, then how hamfisted they throw her into the rest of the movie. Not very subtle.
How did Luke not know Rey came on the falcon, given his force powers I just found that highly unbelievable that he couldn’t sense who and what had arrived.
The new force stuff going on is jarring so more views required to get used to thi all of a sudden.
Leia being blasted into space and then returning was a big WTF and I think it was unnecessary and currently I hated it.
There was some terrible effects in it for simple things. Stuff on Ach To, Rey force lifting the boulders to name but two examples.
Phasma was wasted again. Finn’s whole plot was unnecessary and waste of time.
Benicio and Laura Dern were wasted. I hoped Laura would be a new resistance leader.
Snoke is so powerful but couldn’t tell Kylo moved the lightsaber. Come on. He amounted to nothing in the end and we don’t know who he is or where he came from. Massive cop out.
The comedy was a bit too slapstick and OTT.
That pointy faced actress in the rebellion was so annoying. This particular point is me being picky but it’s a case of there was loads of background actors that I don’t like seeing as it pulls me out of the movie (noting what other shows they are from and thinking they are going to have a bigger part), and she was the epitome of them for me.
The end scenes and shots. Such a let down visually and then you just throw a kid in there with natural force powers.
Yoda. That was cheesy and I just thought he looked bad and sounded not quite right.

Some stuff that jarred is just from first viewing and no doubt won’t be as bad on repeat viewings. I have issues with the style and direction in many bits which I’m sad to say.

ibFoxer

tunguska wrote: »

Tonight's the night. If anyone is going to the midnight show let us know what you think of it, Good, bad or terrible.
Cheers

Good, verging on great, and it could have been outstanding . Some unnecessary parts but overall a solid 8, possibly 9. Will require further viewings.

uck51js9zml2yt

I remember being brought to see the first star wars in 1977 at the Savoy.
Been a sci fi lover ever since but this was for the most part worth missing.

I enjoyed the nod to the puffins of the skelligs. But some of the threads were just odd.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

Guaranteed to get a mixture of all three posted here.

Tylerdurex wrote: »

Very disappointing

bennyl10 wrote: »

Thought that was phenomenal..

Sets up ep 9 very well..
Little bits in the middle could be changed, but overall can't fault large bits at all..

Easily 8/10, borderline 9

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Two word review because I'm tired.

Long, shíte.

jamesbere wrote: »

Oh my God it was brilliant. Loved every minute

py2006 wrote: »

Just back, really don't know what to think. Confused on parts but I was really tired.

Defo need to see it again.

Roar wrote: »

Could have done without the

casino storyline

and some of the humour was a bit much. But overall I really enjoyed it and I’m looking forward to another viewing.

Came out of the cinema singing the Resistence theme out loud. Love that piece of music.

Victor wrote: »

5/5

.....as I was saying. All this 3 hours after general release.:p

Tigger

homerun_homer wrote: »

Initial reaction.... I didn’t love it:eek::(

What bugged me, too much to explain but bullet points for now.

The hammy acting by Billie Lord at the start, then how hamfisted they throw her into the rest of the movie. Not very subtle.
How did Luke not know Rey came on the falcon, given his force powers I just found that highly unbelievable that he couldn’t sense who and what had arrived.
The new force stuff going on is jarring so more views required to get used to thi all of a sudden.
Leia being blasted into space and then returning was a big WTF and I think it was unnecessary and currently I hated it.
There was some terrible effects in it for simple things. Stuff on Ach To, Rey force lifting the boulders to name but two examples.
Phasma was wasted again. Finn’s whole plot was unnecessary and waste of time.
Benicio and Laura Dern were wasted. I hoped Laura would be a new resistance leader.
Snoke is so powerful but couldn’t tell Kylo moved the lightsaber. Come on. He amounted to nothing in the end and we don’t know who he is or where he came from. Massive cop out.
The comedy was a bit too slapstick and OTT.
That pointy faced actress in the rebellion was so annoying. This particular point is me being picky but it’s a case of there was loads of background actors that I don’t like seeing as it pulls me out of the movie (noting what other shows they are from and thinking they are going to have a bigger part), and she was the epitome of them for me.
The end scenes and shots. Such a let down visually and then you just throw a kid in there with natural force powers.
Yoda. That was cheesy and I just thought he looked bad and sounded not quite right.

Some stuff that jarred is just from first viewing and no doubt won’t be as bad on repeat viewings. I have issues with the style and direction in many bits which I’m sad to say.

luke was closed off to the force,

Slydice

Just back. Saw it in 3D on the IMAX. Some 3D but could probably live without it.

I'd say it'd be somewhere around PG / PG-12s maybe a little more for the depiction of

Snoke getting cut in half and then the follow up scene with DEAD FACE on the screen

It was the double bill with The Force Awakens. I felt that seeing The Force Awakens before the film was a help in remembering and connecting.

So... I thought it was alright.

Pros:
- Music score by John Williams was tops as usual
- The visual effects. Oh man that scene

where she tears a hole through all the ships by pointing at them and jumping to light speed!

- The humour.
-

Overall the story was fine for me but maybe it had weaknesses. All the moments were fine but could've been connected better

-

The Red Guard actually fighting

:eek:

Cons:
- Porgs

remind me a bit of tribbles from Star Trek but felt shoehorned here

.
-

Some elements of the story felt too busy or chaotic or trying to fit too much in .. or something

-

The baddies kinda came across as losing a lot either within themselve or against the resistence. Anywhere they made losses for the goodies didn't seem to be put across to the audience.. and like.. they killed shedloads of resistence non-main-characters... kinda off screen

Unsure:
-

I'm not sure how well recieved the idea will be of having the main goodie characters almost die ... or even partially die like Leia.. but then not. Like it might have been bordering overuse

-

Maybe Snoke came across weak.. but I don't think he was supposed to.. but maybe this is all part of some masterplan of Kylos.. I dunno.

Drumpot

I’m not sure I can take many more midnight shows.

Not sure how I feel about it cause I was knackeerd for the last hour.

Will be seeing it again later today with the kids and will hopefully enjoy it a bit more after a good kip.

DrWu

Just back from watching it. Absolutely loved it!!! Glued to my seat from the opening shot right through to the end.

johnny_ultimate

The Force Awakens was a precision engineered machine, for better or worse. The Last Jedi is like one of those weird concept cars major companies sometimes make - quirkier and more colourful. It's sometimes the best Star Wars has ever been, but not without a few hairy moments along the way (and not just hairy in the Chewbacca way).

There's several moments when it soars in the way only the best space operas do - moments of visual and narrative catharsis that give you that slightly giddy feeling. Rian Johnson and Steve Yedlin bring visual chops previously unseen in a franchise that has often rested on cool production design over cool camerawork. It manifests itself in ways both quiet and bombastic. There's a pretty neat motif running through the film when

Rey and Kylo (and sometimes a few others) are chatting in different locations

, and it's a brilliantly simple case of bog-standard 'shot/reverse shot' utilised in a strikingly fresh and effective way.

But it's capable of the awesome pay-offs too: whether that's

Leia invoking the force while drifting in space

, or a magnificent moment where

Laura Dern's character justifies her existence and creates a few seconds of beautiful destruction

, or an audacious push through a rambunctious alien casino. Johnson holds some of the best moments - before one stunning lightsaber duel kicks off, there's just the right amount of slow-motion before weapons clash. Indeed, it's a neat trick repeated in several climactic moments - the soundtrack fading down or focusing in on the most important elements, and time slowing momentarily for maximum impact. The

casino chase scene

may also be among the most playfully anti-capitalist things ever snuck into a Disney film. And what about that

brilliantly surreal cave sequence, ey?

Once again, it's the cast of the new trilogy that help sell the ever-ludicrous melodrama and volumes of exposition / mumbo jumbo that constitute Star Wars - both veterans and newcomers are in flying form, and Kelly Marie Tran is a particularly welcome addition to the sizable band of resistance heroes. Driver is a ****ing gem again, and Kylo Ren is at this point without question the finest Star Wars villain there has been - makes Vader feel like the gruff-voiced bucket he often was. The Rey / Kylo relationship is a great ideological & narrative tug-of-war at this point of almost Shakespearean proportions (albeit with dialogue that is firmly 'Saturday morning serial / fortune cookie philosophy' than King Lear), and will be fascinated to see if they can take it further again in Episode IX.

The film's generous running times also allows for far more character moments than Abrams' offered - this is indulgent with its quieter moments, even as the plot fairly barrels along. Everything culminates around 90 minutes in, in a half hour that must be among Star Wars' finest - a series of thrilling moments and pay-offs in the grandest of fashions. Semi-unfortunately, the film goes on for another half hour after that - and while the final act, set on one of the most visually fetching planets the series has seen, has its fair share of solid moments, it can't quite keep the momentum established as the film closes off its second hour.

And sadly, like a few other moments involving Luke, the climactic duel

suffers from a sense that you're watching actors in front of a green screen surrounded by computer generated vistas - a problem the film confidently avoids elsewhere.

(I will briefly discuss Porgs. I was pro-Porg for the film's opening half, although one makes a less welcome appearance as more obnoxious comic relief during a later setpiece. In conclusion, and as expected, I am ultimately somewhat ambivalent about Porgs)

I do love that the film is willing to rip the piss and

burn down

some of the mystical bull**** that has defined the Jedi, and happy to deliver anti-climaxes as appropriate

(who'd have thunk Rey's parents are nobody of note?)

. The script does have a bit of a problem reconciling some of its mythological conflicts & contradictions, as they don't quite fit the 'good' and 'evil' paradigms the characters often revert to. But hey, it's Star Wars. This goes further than most in that respect. It also has lots of wacky CG critters because, again: Star Wars.

It is ultimately the strangest and most meandering Star Wars has ever been, and I mean that largely in a positive sense. It's perhaps as eccentric as we can expect from this franchise, and Johnson proves capable of fitting moments of both awesome grandeur and quiet charm into this most tightly-controlled of 'intellectual properties'. It's no doubt all over the shop, and its 150 minutes feels like 240 in ways both good & bad. Multiple scenes and sequences overstay their welcome. But it is also a pleasingly defiant response to those who felt The Force Awakens was a mere rehash - this is unquestionably a mainline Star Wars film in tone, but also feels just that tad more unhinged than what has come before. I'm pretty sure I mostly liked it.

KingJamsie

It’s definitely 4/5 minimum. BB8 is king

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

murpho999 wrote: »

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.....as I was saying. All this 3 hours after general release.:p

I think we're gonna see a lot more positive reviews initially given the midnight screenings and the types of people that go see them. I flat out hated this movie and I don't think time is going to be kind to it once the initial hype dies down.

murpho999

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

So i'll go back to my original question back on page 137.

Is this unanimously going to be considered the greatest star wars film ever do you think? Currently 8.2 on RT (Empire has 8.9), it seems to be ranking in the top 3/4 at minimum, perhaps top 2, but even RT's headline says it's the best since ESB (not better).

TFA got overhyped initial reactions, people say its as good/better than empire, even on here back in 2015 after early viewings, but I don't think most people hold that opinion now, so it's probably too early to even ask this, we need to wait a year or two and THEN see how people rank it.

Page 137? You need to change your settings. I'm on page 56.

Click on your userid and select

Control Panel- Edit Options.

Scroll down to "Thread Display Options" and select "Show 40 post per page" under "Number of Posts to Show Per Page".

doubledown

One word - divisive.

Saw this for the second time tonight (first time was a press screening with zero atmosphere) with a group of six friends - all big fans. 3 of us (including me) loved it and 3 HATED it.

This is going to split fans right down the middle.

dazza161989

Went to the midnight viewing, in my opinion it's up there with empire!! Had everything you need in a good star wars movie ...... Humour, action , plot twists, throwbacks & some fantastic new characters! Adam driver was absolutely fantastic as Kylo yet again stepping up to a whole new level from TFA. Instant Classic!!

Victor

homerun_homer wrote: »

Yoda. That was cheesy and I just thought he looked bad and sounded not quite right.

When you're dead, do you still have the 'Alzheimers' related speaking issues you had when you were alive?

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

(who'd have thunk Rey's parents are nobody of note?)

.

Do we know this is actually true?

NIMAN

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I think we're gonna see a lot more positive reviews initially given the midnight screenings and the types of people that go see them. I flat out hated this movie and I don't think time is going to be kind to it once the initial hype dies down.

I think there are some people who will never be able to say that a SW film isn't great, no matter what its like.

They simply couldn't bring themselves to do it. Nor have they the capacity to do it. They have had rose-tinted glasses on for years. They wait so long for a new film they ain't going to slag it off.

Plus then there's the midnight screening folk, they have the added excitement, and they would hate to say it wasn't amazing. Many of the comments will be for their Facebook 'friends'.

I hope I'm not coming across as being too cynical. I have been a lifelong SW fan, but I can still say some of them weren't great. Even TFA disappointed me as it was such a rehash. OK its a good 2hrs of entertainment, but SW films need to be more than that imho.

I'm seeing TLJ on Monday, looking forward to it, but already I know there will be bits I'm going to hate, just from reading this thread.

david75

I was traumatised leaving my first viewing and settled considerably and liked it second viewing.
That whole rose and Finn story. Totally unnecessary.


I’m not even gonna bother. I can see myself and a lot of others coming to love this in time but it will take a lot of time.


Called it two years ago. This is gonna be so completely different it’s gonnw throw us all. Here we are.

NIMAN

david75 wrote: »

I was traumatised leaving my first viewing and settled considerably and liked it second viewing.
That whole rose and Finn story. That’ll unnecessary.


I’m not even gonna bother. I can see myself and a lot of others coming to love this in time but it will take a lot of time.


Called it two years ago. This is gonna be so completely different it’s gonnw throw us all. Here we are.

I'm confused, you said in #2177 that it was the greatest SW film ever.

david75

NIMAN wrote: »

I'm confused, you said in #2177 that it was the greatest SW film ever.

Think I said/meant It could be. Parts of it are everything I wished Star Wars could be.

Falthyron

Ok... the following may or may not be coherent as it is 5am, but I can't go to sleep until I write down my thoughts.

*Warning: do not read the spoilers if you haven't seen the film. These are hard spoilers, not mild ones*

I enjoyed the film. I certainly think it is the best Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back, but there are problems. The main problem being Disney. Yes, the film goes down new paths and explores new ideas, but there is a strong feeling coming from the film that in order for Rian to have his freedom, certain Disney tropes had to be introduced. These mostly relate to

the scene at the end with the child being force sensitive

and

Rey coming from 'nobody'

. We didn't need to know about

other force sensitive children out there. I couldn't help but feel that this was Disney's film to sow the seeds for what the future has in store

.

The music is excellent and it is a wonderful spectacle to behold. It is a rollicking ride from beginning to end with only a small amount of time spent with fluff. Mark Hamill was very good. He didn't quite embody the Luke I would imagine at this age, but that could be down to Rian's choice (and the storyline Mark took issue with initially - see: "I fundamentally disagree with everything Rian has decided with this character").

Leia 'dying' in space and coming back using the Force was awful. It was a total jumping the shark moment. Completely unnecessary and I have no idea why it was included at all. It seemed like the perfect moment to kill her off, particularly with what happened with Carrie subsequently

Oscar Isaac had an elevated role and Finn was certainly reduced. It felt as if John Boyega was told to reign it in.

Snoke dying? Really? I did not see that coming at all. I understand the logic behind it. Kylo wants nothing more than to become Darth Vader, even surpass him. He managed to do the one thing Vader did not - destroy his master to become more powerful. I know Vader destroyed the Emperor, but it was for different reasons.

It was great to see the Yoda from ESB appearing to Luke. His initial appearance was very 'off'. But, later on, when he is telling Luke about failure he appeared almost identical to his movements and mannerisms in ESB.

As for the length of the film... I don't know. It didn't feel like 2.5 hours to me, it flew past, but there were clear moments when I did think whether something was necessary or not.

Canto Bight being one of them

My other main problem with the film is that it lacked that final edge, or ambition, to really push the frontiers. For everything the trailers led with when it came to 'the balance'

the film avoided it.

They really should have gone

full 'gray' Jedi with Luke.

Also, they really have caused themselves problems with

Leia

.

The real strength of this film lies with the smaller moments.

The juxtaposition between Rey and Kylo and their desire to be loved and have a family

,

Luke's comment on how no matter what Kylo does, he and his father will always be with him,

and

Yoda's comments on the importance of failure

. The smaller moments offer an emotional depth which, I felt, make it a very good Star Wars film. There are more than the ones I have mentioned

Luke seeing the two suns of Tatooine before dying was touching (particularly in conjunction with Yoda's comment about him always looking to the horizon)

, of course, but these ones stand out most in my mind at the moment.

It is a better film than The Force Awakens simply because it feels slightly more relaxed. TFA was too cautious and the actors felt as if they were walking on egg shells (which is understandable considering most of them had no prior acting experience and the added pressure of the Star Wars franchise). There is an air of confidence about this film and it is reassuring.

I want to write a more full analysis tomorrow after I have processed the film. For now, I would say it is certainly better than The Force Awakens, but it is not better than Empire.

8 or 8.5 out of 10 for now...

EDIT: Also,

Where are the Knights of Ren? Why wasn't that dealt with? Are we to assume that the vision Rey had in TFA is a scene from Episode IX? Kylo to reforge his helmet? A major plot problem, imo.

david75

Falthyron wrote: »

Ok... the following may or may not be coherent as it is 5am, but I can't go to sleep until I write down my thoughts.

*Warning: do not read the spoilers if you haven't seen the film. These are hard spoilers, not mild ones*

I enjoyed the film. I certainly think it is the best Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back, but there are problems. The main problem being Disney. Yes, the film goes down new paths and explores new ideas, but there is a strong feeling coming from the film that in order for Rian to have his freedom, certain Disney tropes had to be introduced. These mostly relate to

the scene at the end with the child being force sensitive

and

Rey coming from 'nobody'

. We didn't need to know about

other force sensitive children out there. I couldn't help but feel that this was Disney's film to sow the seeds for what the future has in store

.

The music is excellent and it is a wonderful spectacle to behold. It is a rollicking ride from beginning to end with only a small amount of time spent with fluff. Mark Hamill was very good. He didn't quite embody the Luke I would imagine at this age, but that could be down to Rian's choice (and the storyline Mark took issue with initially - see: "I fundamentally disagree with everything Rian has decided with this character").

Leia 'dying' in space and coming back using the Force was awful. It was a total jumping the shark moment. Completely unnecessary and I have no idea why it was included at all. It seemed like the perfect moment to kill her off, particularly with what happened with Carrie subsequently

Oscar Isaac had an elevated role and Finn was certainly reduced. It felt as if John Boyega was told to reign it in.

Snoke dying? Really? I did not see that coming at all. I understand the logic behind it. Kylo wants nothing more than to become Darth Vader, even surpass him. He managed to do the one thing Vader did not - destroy his master to become more powerful. I know Vader destroyed the Emperor, but it was for different reasons.

It was great to see the Yoda from ESB appearing to Luke. His initial appearance was very 'off'. But, later on, when he is telling Luke about failure he appeared almost identical to his movements and mannerisms in ESB.

As for the length of the film... I don't know. It didn't feel like 2.5 hours to me, it flew past, but there were clear moments when I did think whether something was necessary or not.

Canto Bight being one of them

My other main problem with the film is that it lacked that final edge, or ambition, to really push the frontiers. For everything the trailers led with when it came to 'the balance'

the film avoided it.

They really should have gone

full 'gray' Jedi with Luke.

Also, they really have caused themselves problems with

Leia

.

The real strength of this film lies with the smaller moments.

The juxtaposition between Rey and Kylo and their desire to be loved and have a family

,

Luke's comment on how no matter what Kylo does, he and his father will always be with him,

and

Yoda's comments on the importance of failure

. The smaller moments offer an emotional depth which, I felt, make it a very good Star Wars film. There are more than the ones I have mentioned

Luke seeing the two suns of Tatooine before dying was touching (particularly in conjunction with Yoda's comment about him always looking to the horizon)

, of course, but these ones stand out most in my mind at the moment.

It is a better film than The Force Awakens simply because it feels slightly more relaxed. TFA was too cautious and the actors felt as if they were walking on egg shells (which is understandable considering most of them had no prior acting experience and the added pressure of the Star Wars franchise). There is an air of confidence about this film and it is reassuring.

I want to write a more full analysis tomorrow after I have processed the film. For now, I would say it is certainly better than The Force Awakens, but it is not better than Empire.

8 or 8.5 out of 10 for now...

EDIT: Also,

Where are the Knights of Ren? Why wasn't that dealt with? Are we to assume that the vision Rey had in TFA is a scene from Episode IX? Kylo to reforge his helmet? A major plot problem, imo.

Feels more relaxed than TFA? This is a manic jarring frantic film start to finish. It literally doesn’t take a breath at any point in the story. And it could have. Especially everything with Luke and Rey.

Falthyron

david75 wrote: »

Feels more relaxed than TFA? This is a manic jarring frantic film start to finish. It literally doesn’t take a breath at any point in the story. And it could have. Especially everything with Luke and Rey.

Relaxed in the sense of the actors' performance. It feels less forced, less rigid in terms of dialogue and interactions between the actors. There is a sense of confidence in their ability now. I'm not calling the film a drowsy affair with non-events.

david75

Falthyron wrote: »

Relaxed in the sense of the actors' performance. It feels less forced, less rigid in terms of dialogue and interactions between the actors. There is a sense of confidence in their ability now. I'm not calling the film a drowsy affair with non-events.

Oh I see. Yeah they all inhabit their parts perfectly. I didn’t buy benicio but all else 100% brought it.

Victor

Falthyron wrote: »

Leia 'dying' in space and coming back using the Force was awful. It was a total jumping the shark moment. Completely unnecessary and I have no idea why it was included at all. It seemed like the perfect moment to kill her off, particularly with what happened with Carrie subsequently

When Carrie died, they said she had completed her filming. Make of that what you wish.

NIMAN

Victor wrote: »

When Carrie died, they said she had completed her filming. Make of that what you wish.

Interesting Victor, but can't read any of your post until Monday teatime!

I'll come back to it.;)

Vladimir Poontang

As a stand alone film it could be said that it is great.

But it is not.

As the second part of a sequel trilogy to a nine part story this is BAD, REALLY, REALLY BAD.

It is bad because of the way it affects the overall story and how it affects the individual character arcs.

Frankly, Rian made a complete balls of it and in no small part due to his attempts to rectify some of the bad decisions made by JJ Abrams.

It is too late now, the damage is done. Star Wars, in terms of a nine part story is irrevocably ruined.

As far as I am concerned I'll stick with the original trilogy and ignore the prequels and now, sadly, the sequels.

The buck must stop with Kathleen Kennedy for hiring JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson.

It is quite clear that Abrams from a storytelling point of view was not up to the task.

Disney should have given Michael Arndt the time he needed to work on the story for The Force Awakens instead of the decision they made in letting Abrams and Kasdan rewrite it.

Very, very disappointing.