Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi *spoilers from Post 2857*

Sad Professor

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I really like this take on the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

One thing that threatens to get lost in the back-and-forth over the film's story choices and individual moments is how Johnson has made probably the most cinematically ambitious entry the series has seen. He manages to take various inspirations and homages (as one observant poster pointed out earlier, the initial casino establishing shot appears to be a direct nod to Wings, and as alluded to in the article above there's clear inspirations from a different era of Japanese cinema than Lucas embraced) and casually mixes them with his own ideas. He definitely IMO manages to create one of the most visually fetching, cine-literate blockbusters of recent times.

My favourite cinematic nod was

the final shot of Luke's cloak blowing away - framed through the cave a la the final shot of The Searchers with the sun in the background.

Speaking of which, I liked the implication that

Luke was about to "become one with the Force" at the beginning when Rey interrupted him.

david75

Sad Professor wrote: »

My favourite cinematic nod was

the final shot of Luke's cloak blowing away - framed through the cave a la the final shot of The Searchers with the sun in the background.

Speaking of which, I liked the implication that

Luke was about to "become one with the Force" at the beginning when Rey interrupted him.

that's something i wondered about..each time he puts the white robes on it feels like he'sabout to do something like that...

SteM

When I see robots playing American football, new york style diners complete with sassy robot waitresses & aliens playing slot machines in star wars it totally takes me out of the movie. I'd hoped they'd stop that sort of **** after the prequels.

Grayditch

I fear greatly for the third installment. I don't think it's going to be good. They didn't resolve this in a way that sets it up well for a good film, but we'll see.

david75

Grayditch wrote: »

I fear greatly for the third installment. I don't think it's going to be good. They didn't resolve this in a way that sets it up well for a good film, but we'll see.

The end of TLJ does feel like the end of a trilogy..no idea where JJ can go with it.

kdevitt

Grayditch wrote: »

I fear greatly for the third installment. I don't think it's going to be good. They didn't resolve this in a way that sets it up well for a good film, but we'll see.

Complete guesswork obviously, but I’d imagine episode 9 will kick off long after the events of episode 8.

david75

kdevitt wrote: »

Complete guesswork obviously, but I’d imagine episode 9 will kick off long after the events of episode 8.

would give time to write out Leia and have Rey set up the new thing and the rebellion form

johnny_ultimate

Grayditch wrote: »

I fear greatly for the third installment. I don't think it's going to be good. They didn't resolve this in a way that sets it up well for a good film, but we'll see.

I actually have a lot of admiration that this film goes 'all in' and kind of dashes expectations of what will be in the third film. It is clearly a middle chapter in several respects, but at the same time doesn't feel compromised in holding off on major payoffs or resolving conflicts until the next film. I mean, it'd have been immensely easy and expected to hold off on a

Snoke encounter until IX, but to see it resolved brutally and definitively a good 30-45 minutes before the end here is pretty great

. I love how satisfying The Empire Strikes Back is as a singular film as well as a middle film, but even that leaves more obvious loose ends dangling than is the case here (Han's fate, for example, is clearly left hanging for RotJ).

Ultimately I'm more optimistic that Abrams will deliver a solid IX than Treverrow would have, but I feel The Last Jedi has a bit of a 'The Dark Knight' about it - while there's room for expansion (and more than was the case in Nolan's film, where a trilogy was never apparently planned) it's also a pretty complete package.

Falthyron

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Ultimately I'm more optimistic that Abrams will deliver a solid IX than Treverrow would have, but I feel The Last Jedi has a bit of a 'The Dark Knight' about it - while there's room for expansion (and more than was the case in Nolan's film, where a trilogy was never apparently planned) it's also a pretty complete package.

Rian also confirmed that he has about thirty minutes of scenes cut from the film, completed scenes where CGI was also required. These will be making an appearance on the Blu-ray, but he hasn't clarified if there will be a sort of Director's Cut - it would certainly buck the trend of Star Wars films if he was to do that.

david75

Falthyron wrote: »

Rian also confirmed that he has about thirty minutes of scenes cut from the film, completed scenes where CGI was also required. These will be making an appearance on the Blu-ray, but he hasn't clarified if there will be a sort of Director's Cut - it would certainly buck the trend of Star Wars films if he was to do that.

think he said on collider that there will be no directors cut.

the attack on ahch to by kylo and the knights of ren was definitely cut out.

Conall Cernach

Was I the only one that was hoping:

That Lando would answer the distress call and arrive with a bunch of allies?

Sad Professor

david75 wrote: »

think he said on collider that there will be no directors cut.

the attack on ahch to by kylo and the knights of ren was definitely cut out.

I don't think the KOR were ever part of the film. I recall comments from Abrams (after he had read the script to TLJ) that suggested they weren't in it either.

david75

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Was I the only one that was hoping:

That Lando would answer the distress call and arrive with a bunch of allies?

it's weird he wasnt at the casino...

Arne_Saknussem

david75 wrote: »

it's weird he wasnt at the casino...

When that tacky, nonsense scene started i was almost covering my eyes, afraid that Lando was gonna show up in it.

Relikk

This is the only time after seeing a Star Wars movie where I want to see a fan edit of it. Get rid of most of the Finn and Rose section, and the excessive humour in places where it doesn't belong, especially bits like the

Rey and Kylo part where he doesn't have a top on and she asks him to use a towel

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As a lifelong Star Wars nut, I was so conflicted after seeing this. The characters are fantastic and the acting is superb. Kylo Ren was one of the best things about TFA, now he's even better. The scenes with Luke, Kylo and Rey (and Snoke) are what makes the film so appealing. But...

Speaking of Snoke, it's not necessary but, it'd be nice to know his origins. The humour was excessive. The CGI was a little too much. The now infamous Leia scene is one of the worst things I've ever seen in Star Wars. The director was constantly saying that it picks up where TFA finished. It doesn't. At the end of TFA

I never got the impression that the rebels were forced to flee their base with their fleet but, at the very start of TLJ they've already done that and are being chased by the First Order, and all before Rey gets to Ach-to and finds Luke. There were so many things they could have done with that at the beginning instead of the whole Finn and Rose plot.

It looks like they used a Yoda puppet for the closer up scenes but there's a real bang of CGI off it when you first see it. I wouldn't mind them re-recording Frank Oz's voice for it again, either. Peoples voices change with age, sure, but it just sounded off at times, like the way it sounded in The Phantom Menace. It definitely improved with the other two prequels.

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Have to see it again to give it a proper opinion but first time around I wasn't sold on it. It's 50/50 at the moment. The good thing about it were really good, the set-pieces, the acting, the characters. The bad things just really put a dampener on it and it doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie when you see them.

Grayditch

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I actually have a lot of admiration that this film goes 'all in' and kind of dashes expectations of what will be in the third film.

I'd be of the same opinion. So I'm glad we got the donut with all the jam in the middle. I think TLJ will be the standout of the three, and I'm fine with that, but just as an observation I feel Abrams won't pull it off with what's left.

One thing I'd have liked to have seen is

Leia talking Holdo out of staying on the ship, in stead taking her place and dying as the martyr. A year on from Fisher's death I think it would have been a brilliant goodbye and we'd have Holdo as the new resistance leader. Laura Dern is amazing.

But I get why timing, reshoots, budget etc could have made that impossible and also we'd have no Luke Leia scene then ( if my timeline of the movie is right.).

S.M.B.

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Was I the only one that was hoping:

That Lando would answer the distress call and arrive with a bunch of allies?

Not for one second did I crave the unexpected appearance of anyone from the original trilogy. Was OK with TFA being a sort of set up for a hand over of the baton but I wanted TLJ to go that one step further. I'm delighted that it did so both on a story and thematic level. Episode IX now feels like somewhat of a blank slate to wrap up the skywalker saga.

david75

Relikk wrote: »

This is the only time after seeing a Star Wars movie where I want to see a fan edit of it. Get rid of most of the Finn and Rose section, and the excessive humour in places where it doesn't belong, especially bits like the

Rey and Kylo part where he doesn't have a top on and she asks him to use a towel

.

As a lifelong Star Wars nut, I was so conflicted after seeing this. The characters are fantastic and the acting is superb. Kylo Ren was one of the best things about TFA, now he's even better. The scenes with Luke, Kylo and Rey (and Snoke) are what makes the film so appealing. But...

Speaking of Snoke, it's not necessary but, it'd be nice to know his origins. The humour was excessive. The CGI was a little too much. The now infamous Leia scene is one of the worst things I've ever seen in Star Wars. The director was constantly saying that it picks up where TFA finished. It doesn't. At the end of TFA

I never got the impression that the rebels were forced to flee their base with their fleet but, at the very start of TLJ they've already done that and are being chased by the First Order, and all before Rey gets to Ach-to and finds Luke. There were so many things they could have done with that at the beginning instead of the whole Finn and Rose plot.

It looks like they used a Yoda puppet for the closer up scenes but there's a real bang of CGI off it when you first see it. I wouldn't mind them re-recording Frank Oz's voice for it again, either. Peoples voices change with age, sure, but it just sounded off at times, like the way it sounded in The Phantom Menace. It definitely improved with the other two prequels.

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Have to see it again to give it a proper opinion but first time around I wasn't sold on it. It's 50/50 at the moment. The good thing about it were really good, the set-pieces, the acting, the characters. The bad things just really put a dampener on it and it doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie when you see them.

the thing is there's time jumps in this..it takes rey about 3 weeksto get to ahch-to..and the FOhave developed hyperspace tracking so that's how theyve followed them to da'qar and attacked in the opening...but then it jumps back in time to rey meeting luke...

it isn't all happening simultaneously or in a linear way as previous SW films have...
the final shot

with the boy and the brush is a jump back in time...its
definitely a new thing in SW and a little jarring but it works

Did that boy with the brush have force powers? It seemed like the brush moved off the wall into his hands, or did I imagine that?

david75

Deleted User wrote: »

Did that boy with the brush have force powers? It seemed like the brush moved off the wall into his hands, or did I imagine that?

yep..pulls it with the force and doesnt seem to know hes even doing it...or rather doesnt seem to know his abilities are special to him..

im not sure if this moment is a purely methaphorical one, or a direct setup for heres where we're going in the next film / rians new trilogy

HandsomeBob

I thought it was fine, nothing special. Driver and Gleeson were the highlights for me tbh, and I kind of liked the twist that

Rey and Snoke were nobodies in the end.

But in the main it's perfectly fine without being the groundbreaker critics claim. This is what I don't really understand about criticism anymore when it comes to blockbusters. There isn't any reasonable analysis or a middle ground; either it's a complete disaster or darling regardless of merit.

HandsomeBob

Sad Professor wrote: »

Kylo isn't a villain. He's an anti-hero. This was made pretty clear in TFA. A movie doesn't need a villain, just conflict.

I thought this film stressed that he is THE villain of this trilogy tbh. He's too far gone. Luke knows it and so does his mother. There's nobody else at this stage to take that mantle. You could still call him an anti hero I suppose, but he is the big bad. One with nuance and understandable motives yes, but still undoubtedly the main threat to the protagonists now.

I loved everything with him. Really was the highlight for me.

Wedwood

I liked it and overall would give it 8/10.

I get why some wont like it as the movie went in a completely unexpected direction. I'm glad it didn't just tick the predictable fan boy boxes and its a much better movie for it.

The humour was fine and those who didn't like it need to get over themselves, these are family movies after all.

I cant wait to see how Episode 9 resolves the trilogy, i think its fair to say nobody has a clue how this will end and thats the way it should be !

nix

The movie would have been all the better if they

let Leia and Finn die, Leia is gonna be complete CGI from now anyway and it would have been a good send off. All Finn was this movie was a 5th wheel and the movie suffered with his entire arc imo, i like Boyega but hes really not necessary to be in it anymore

Wedwood wrote: »

The humour was fine and those who didn't like it need to get over themselves, these are family movies after all.

I've no problem with humour, its was in all the previous movies, it was however done right with witty humour, not slapstick humour, the odd bit is ok but every gag to be slapstick... which in this kind of movie, is just cringey.

irishthump

david75 wrote: »

There’s nothin really interesting about Vader in ANH/ESB. One dimensional pure evil.
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Ah come on.....

In ANH yes, but in ESB?!!! Seriously.....

Shakey_jake

Literally cannot stop thinking about this movie, I'm a big Star Wars fan and thought it was great!


I think the scene with Luke hunting will go down as a classic Star Wars scene over time!

And no I'm not joking!

A Little Pony

Going to see it again next Saturday, maybe it's one of those you need to see again to get a better idea.

Osmosis Jones

Luke

brushing off his shoulder and his "See ya around kid"
line are the right kind of humour I'd say

A Little Pony

You would have thought Snoke would have sensed what was happening next to him. Also did we learn anything about him? The background of his character?

Osmosis Jones

A Little Pony wrote: »

You would have thought Snoke would have sensed what was happening next to him. Also did we learn anything about him? The background of his character?

He did sense it

He even narrates it. He feels Kylo readying his lightsaber and getting ready to activate it and strike down his enemy, he just doesn't realise that it's the lightsaber next to him and not the one in Kylo's hand.